Tuesday, August 23, 2016

Due Process?

  • Fraternal Order of Police President Dean Angelo on Monday accused the Chicago Police Department of violating the due process of seven officers who stand to lose their jobs for allegedly covering up the police shooting of Laquan McDonald.

    In his long-awaited response to a scathing report by Inspector General Joe Ferguson, Police Supt. Eddie Johnson has moved to fire the seven officers for allegedly violating Rule 14.

    That’s the “If you lie, you die” rule that prohibits officers from filing false reports or lying under oath during the course of an investigation.

    Angelo complained that none of the seven officers have been told how they lied. That, he said, is a violation of due process.

    “They committed a Rule 14 violation based on what? What specifically did they do? What did they say? What did they write that puts them in that category? I don’t know. They don’t know,” Angelo said.
Did you know that you can't even put a prisoner in lockup without telling him what he's charged with? It used to irritate us a long time ago when the lockup keepers would ask jagoff, "Do you know what you're charged with?" It's like they didn't trust us. And the fact was, they didn't trust us, because they had been burned before. So now, their routine was to ask everyone. Once we worked lockup a few times, we developed the same habits...and tried not to work the lockup - it made us cynical.

To be hammered with 15 or 20 Department charges and not even be able to adequately prepare a rebuttal or assist your lawyer in mounting a proper defense is unconscionable. But then again, so is having a shooting ruled "justified" by eight or ten exempts who haven't even seen the inside of a beat car in decades, and then get dragged into a political maelstrom where the same guy who said "justified" months ago is suddenly driving a bus over your back.

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61 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Welcome to life in a big city that has been run by a democrat machine for years. The liberal rot infects everything from the top down.

8/23/2016 12:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey SCC and FOP 7

Why don't you ask some experienced members who have been stripped, transfered and sat in call back?

Beside myself I know about 7 officers and 2 Sergeants that went through this while they waited for the first
allegations to be served them. Mine took 6 weeks to be served by IAD. Then it took a good 2 months to be
interviewed by IAD. I complained to FOP 7 and was told that as long as I was being paid there was no harm.

IAD then did a second interview after 9 months. All the time I was stripped and sat waiting. Then one day
almost one year later. I am told to report to IAD where I was reinstated and walked down to Personnel and issued my ID and star. I was then sent back to my unit.

No Harm No Foul and no Due Process. I never was informed as to status or findings of allegations.
it was punishment with no responsibility.

DEAN you are a lulu......
.

8/23/2016 12:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Due Process? That doesn't fit into Mayor Tinkerbell sissy fit tantrum. Rahm when did you and all your councilmen see the video I sure before they paid out, YOU STUPID FUCK RAHM reverse Midas touch.

WORST BIG CITY MAYOR FOR PAST CENTURY

YOU name should be PINKY DINK

8/23/2016 12:55:00 AM  
Blogger O W WILSON said...

History has shown that police with an ounce of common sense will stay out of the line of fire objectively and figuratively until the community demand the police be allowed to due their jobs. Unfortunately I believe it has to et worse much worse before it can get better.

8/23/2016 01:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I remember once they hit a copper with 30 charges... The copper answered all the questions they way guys answered questions during Iran-Contra, you know--- I can't recalled that, I can't remember... So they ended up nailing him with a charge of refusing to cooperate when ordered to answer a question given by a white shirts i.e. Sgt, Lt, Cpt--- and shit canned him.

I gotta say, I can always drive uber or lift... Don't have to deal with bs or CR garbage--- plus it's a pain in the ass to do a city complaint against one of those guys or a cab driver, call 311 and find out.. You gotta get that crap mailed to you and notarized

8/23/2016 01:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

" The only thing necessary for evil to triumph over good , is for good men to stand by and do nothing " .

I guess that means there are no good men left in politics anymore . In the not too distant past there were some , they did enough to keep things palatable , and we could still eat our food . Now , there are none and everything is a giant shit sandwich .

Let them complain about " how bad things are getting " and maybe one day they'll realize it's 'their fault too' .

8/23/2016 02:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Only reason I show up is for insurance and, I have to admit, the deferred comp tax advantages are hard to walk away from.

Wake me up, JoJo, when it's time to go home.

8/23/2016 06:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Eddie was told by City Hall, through Boik, what to do. Nobody, including Eddie or the Hall knew the right way to do it. Thus, no due process.

8/23/2016 06:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www3.forbes.com/leadership/ten-unmistakable-signs-of-a-bad-place-to-work/?utm_campaign=ten-unmistakable-signs-of-a-bad-place-to-work&utm_source=FacebookTest1&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=3&kwp_0=128711&kwp_4=589806&kwp_1=307898

8/23/2016 06:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Very well said - as usual.

Thank You.

8/23/2016 07:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Isn't cheating also lying? They cheated the other who studied for the test. That's a Rule 14 violation too! But as you put in the other post, your waiting to say-- I'm retired, out of the city and who gives a shit! I'm there now! Stay safe.

8/23/2016 07:10:00 AM  
Blogger Mr. SouthSide said...

Unfortunately, they face a long ordeal. This is a railroad job to appease the great unwashed voter.

8/23/2016 07:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lori Lightfoot ain't gunna care. "You're fired!" As The Donald would have said.

Listen people: The Community's alter of sacrifice needs police blood to quell the angry masses. And YOU have been selected to be the sacrifice.

8/23/2016 07:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They talk about the hitler regime but this crew the "rahm crew" and the gold star poseur crew have similarities! This complete thing is total and utter pander to the black lives murder bunch and this has spiraled so far out of control! Why were bosses allowed to retire? Why was the 'medical kid" commander from 008 promoted? Does he know some "secrets" and this was done as a way to "keep him quiet?"

Then on another subject rahm is borrowing hundreds of millions of dollars for the decrepit public school system,after he closed 56 schools and is building brand new ones:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-rahm-emanuel-air-conditioners-met-20160822-story.html

This guy is putting us deeper into debt is this the usual "friends and family" payback program?

Rahm held the vandyke video over a year to be elected again clinton style, the elements of the crime fit the narrative the coppers wrote, how can you no matter your camera angle tell you what you just witnessed? Hey media go to 1 of the many crime scenes with blood flowing everywhere in chiraq dare you to ask 10 people their versions of the story did everyone see it or not? Did you show all available cameras or just the cameras that fit the "we are thugs we hate the police narrative?"

8/23/2016 07:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Clusterfuck doesn't even come close to describing the situation

8/23/2016 08:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Eddie was told by City Hall, through Boik, what to do. Nobody, including Eddie or the Hall knew the right way to do it. Thus, no due process.

8/23/2016 06:37:00 AM

These lawyers employed by the city are the worst of the worst. They probably graduated at or near the bottom of their class and couldn't find employment with any respectable law firm or for that matter the county. The city looks at the quality of their lawyers and then decides they're all losers and pays out every claim. Look for these officers to be vindicated and get their jobs back with back pay. When that happens they should go after Rahm for millions, ala Mosby from Baltimore. And you can take that to the bank. Retired CPD.

8/23/2016 09:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's all legitimate.........

8/23/2016 09:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

15,000 page report, must be a real doozy ! Does it contain any interview of Escalante or did Rahm aka Hop Sing - builder of great Chinese wall or one of his flunkies tell IG to back off...

8/23/2016 09:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Find out why Steve Patton the same one who orchestrated the 5 million dollar payoff by perjuring himself in front of the city council was involved in dictating who would be fired and who would be spared. Start asking questions. What was his role in the process. This was all an attempt to serve these coppers up on silver platter so no one would look at the mayor for withholding the video. No coppers lied. Joe Ferguson unfortunately will also be shown to be a biased partial investigator. See he had already conducted an "investigation" into this and without interviewing one person determined that everyone was lying. He publicly stated these opinions in the task force report so who does Rahm task with the investigation. Not Ipra, not IAd but the Oig the same person who already publicly stated his opinion in a readily available report. Conflict of interest maybe? Do you think the coppers got a fair and impartial investigation. It was a complete hose job designed to protect the Mayor and Patton. Next in line they get to appeal to Lori Lightfoot the chairwoman of the same task force that without interviewing one single person deemed the shooting unjustified and determined everyone was lying. Think the police board will be fair or impartial I think not. These coppers are getting railroaded.

8/23/2016 09:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

DO you honestly think those HACKS on the police board actually read 15,000 pages of investigation for each officer?

May be a post on the WHOSE who on the police board. Look at the weird business names that the board members runs. retired judge? rev-run? The media has not done 1 fricking article on the new improved and tougher board! Why are they so tough why were they handpicked by RAHM. How much are they paid? you can't find anything about compensation on any of these clouted so called citizens.

Lori E. Lightfoot, President

Partner, Mayer Brown LLP

Gian Foreman, Vice President THIS guy is scary! I had to cut and paste this you be the judge

Can you describe for our readers how the work you do at Greater Southwest is comprehensive?

It all fits into a big puzzle. First of all, we have housing. We provide about 300 units of senior housing, and it’s more than just a place to live. A great example is in one of our senior buildings, where Metropolitan Family Services has a daycare. The seniors come and read to the kids. It’s a way for those elders to pass along some of their knowledge to the next generations and become an active part of the community.

Foreclosures are a huge part of what’s happening in our community. So we’re actively acquiring and rehabbing and selling or renting or rent-to-own some of these foreclosed buildings. And part of the foreclosure issue is jobs, part of it is crime, part of it is landlords taking care of their buildings.

We have a counseling center, [a Center for Working Families], where people can get foreclosure counseling, job counseling, help with coming up with a budget or getting income support. We have a computer lab where we teach people from the community how to use a computer, from basic level all the way up.

Small business on West 63rd Street on Chicago's Southwest Side.

Eric Young Smith

We manage two Special Service Areas (SSAs) on the Southwest Side. So we have a very close, active, working relationship with all the business owners in the area. And we have two industrial areas in our community. We do business symposiums—small business owners come out and find out about what access to financing is available and what city programs are available.

We developed this concept called a purchasing tool. In our SSA, we have about 1,500 businesses, and they all pay for garbage pick-up. A lot of them use credit cards. They all buy office supplies. What if we could get those businesses to come together to purchase from the same supplier, and we could negotiate a better rate for everybody? We've been able to save those businesses between 15 to 25 percent, depending on the service that they use.

8/23/2016 09:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That means that that company is now more profitable, which means they have a higher probability of staying in the community, which means that they have a higher probability of hiring somebody in the community. Which means that if I have a job now, now I can afford my house. So this is how, to me, how I see comprehensive community development working

Partner, Maktub Development LLC

Eva-Dina Delgado this one has a clout job in community relation for peoples gas and was in the inner circle for Mayor DALEY! her resume is full of clouted easy jobs at the CTA and the infamous intergovernmental affairs at City hall.

Manager, Local Government and Community Relations, Peoples Gas & North Shore Gas

Rev. Michael Eaddy THIS guy has a degree in religion but he does know how to get grants for his church! $13 million dollars in tax credits in the City of Chicago, to construct thirty-six (36) units of affordable rental housing on property owned by the CDC.

Pastor, People's Church of the Harvest

Rita A. Fry

President & CEO, RAF Consulting, Inc.(REALLY CMON 10 employees is this real???)

John H. Simpson

Partner, Broadhaven Capital Partners (this one was founded in 2009??? Must not be to busy if he has time to read 15k reports)

Rhoda Davis Sweeney (she loves donating to BURKE! yet she lives in a different ward! her secon hubby runs a lawfirm Schwartz & Freeman whose business is contractors and building law???

Retired Judge of the Circuit Court of Cook County


We have a responsibility to watch over each other...

8/23/2016 09:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wait till you pay taxes on deferred comp.

8/23/2016 10:03:00 AM  
Blogger Cuthbert J. Twillie said...

I don't know if this is off topic but there's something that's never been mentioned (to my knowledge) in the whole Laquan McDonald brouhaha, and it involves the Knife McDonald refused to drop, to wit; ........

Has anyone thought, or brought up, the fact that a knife doesn't have to be within arm's reach, or have to stay in someone's hand to use as a weapon -- Knives Get Thrown, and can kill someone as easily as a bullet. Granted, a folding knife might not penetrate a cop's vest, but that just protects the chest. There's plenty of other vital areas that a knife wound will prove fatal if hit.

'Back in the day' we all carried a knife and we all practiced throwing them into trees as target practice, I used to be pretty proficient and continued practice with larger 'Hunting' knives as I got older. I know this isn't like it used to be 'back then', today it's all guns, but who knows what McDonald could do. If he was good that 12'-15' separation was/is meaningless.

Do you stake your life on it??? I wouldn't.

(just something I was thinking. stay safe out there)

8/23/2016 10:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www3.forbes.com/leadership/ten-unmistakable-signs-of-a-bad-place-to-work/?utm_campaign=ten-unmistakable-signs-of-a-bad-place-to-work&utm_source=FacebookTest1&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=3&kwp_0=128711&kwp_4=589806&kwp_1=307898

LOL -- awesome post! I just read the article and CPD qualified in EVERY ONE of these categories! Too bad I didn't see this 15 yrs ago. This is without a doubt one of the WORST organizations to work for -- unless of course you're clouted and connected.

8/23/2016 10:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please reach out to the coppers that have been stripped. They will not have the benefit of the doubt by being at call back until this is resolved. Every one of them is a solid officer and good person. They have been told they will be in NO PAY status as soon as this week. Regardless if you know them or not, this could have been any one of us. The department and the mayor are making them scapegoats. There are not not many of us that could survive very long losing our income and health insurance with one week's notice.

8/23/2016 10:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

City has $$$ to waste . Coppers will not be fired . It will cost Stress , cost unions $$$$ .
Right now. Both unions should file to have all email , personal ,cell phone records made public I mean every exempt , IPRA investigator , Supervisor,every body guard assigned to mayors office . This was a cover up by mayor so Chuy Garcia would lose election .
Van Dykebis innocent , look at training videos of a person with a knife attacking a trainer. Within two seconds VD would have been sliced up.
Action should have been taken long before VD arrived .
Stay Fetal , No Stops , before any person is stopped and frisked talk to complainant .
No o/v drug arrests , drive by and wave to dealers .
Stay Fetal .

8/23/2016 11:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The sooner challenged Jugghead Special Ed can put this incident in the rear view mirror, the sooner Rahm can begin to rebuild some of his political credibility. Another clown who will be booted out sooner than he thinks.
Fools will soon forget.
Rahm is hiding his commentary, calls and emails regarding his part in the video viewing, showing his agreeing that the shooting was Justified.
He doesn't want that part to come out.
Just how many bosses are left out of that bunch who viewed it? Two, three?
Did Rahm reward those who agreed to jump ship and were they offered other positions in government entities.

8/23/2016 11:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is nothing more than a public execution in the village square for all to see.

8/23/2016 12:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't forget about Gulliford..... he was allowed to retire quietly into the night without fanfare--before any poop hit the fan

On another note, this department does not offer ongoing or scenario-based training that could help not only officers who find themselves in such situations, but would also help the City because then we might have fewer lawsuits..... Don't tell me that a computer-based video program constitutes adequate training.

In a word, our training regimen is ABYSMAL.

8/23/2016 12:22:00 PM  
Anonymous The Box Chevy Phantom said...

"What are you big, tough cops complaining about?
You're over-paid, you get to pull a sweet pension
in your 50's and you whine about your rights because
you're finally being held to a higher standard"

>Click!<
SARCASM: On/(OFF)

"...Equal protection under the law."

M/Fers up in the cheap seats say:
"Whohadsaidsump'n?"


The powers that be are rather enjoying
seeing the "Punishment Paradigm" being
applied only to Policemen and worked to
a luxurious lather because according to
the skewed societal calculus, Policemen
are the only ones who have compelling
rules to abide by.

The mores, customs, conventions and
reasonable expectations of civility held by
the rest of society do not apply to those
who make up and accept the culture of death
and willful ignorance on display on the
West and South sides of Chicago.

"Cognitive Dissonance" is what we'll
go with seeing it is the most apt
descriptive at the moment.

Meanwhile...
"Tha' Communerty" is REALLY starting to
"Feel A Certain Way" about the detached,
disinterested, hands-off, whistle for the
body-snatchers/watch CFD hose shit, blood,
brain matter and skull fragments off the
pavement/drop a report and disappear
Policing they've been crying for.

The Policeman just throws his head back
and laughs bitterly at these noisy-assed,
pathology addled adult children who are
in a pout over getting what they've asked for.

Seriously...
It's gone from, "Fukyawaxin' us fo'? Yawfiggerdis shit
out an' doyawjob!"

To?

"Y'all just came ovah heah an' took his body away
an' didn't even axe us nuthin' or do no investigatin'
an' shit like y'all usedta! Y'all racist! Actin' like
y'all don't even care about us..."

M/Fers ain't shit if'n they ain't amusin'.
No?

What now and whither thus?

The "Community" is wholly unfixable
and beyond the care and concern of
upright and reasonable men.

The absolute best thing for the REST
of civilized society is to turn it's
collective back and let THEM sort their
business out.

"Disband and De-Fund Tha Po-leece!"
=
>Our Final Play For Reparations of a Sort<

"We can Police ourselves!"
(As long as y'all pay for it)

Rahm Emanuel is firmly ensconced as
der mittel-mensch. And he will do whatever it takes
to maintain that position. No matter how many lives
lost or ruined.

The low information voter and the enraptured
hope changers don't even have the common
decency to be ashamed of what they've enabled.

BL(a)M, ACLU, clouted Gold Stars, the alderfools
they belong to and local media are all poised to
reap some windfall from the destruction of CPD
since none of them has any real and workable
solution for what's going on in the bloody
shit-mud at ground level.

They think beating on The Police will somehow
yield an answer.

Until it doesn't.

And it hasn't.

It only makes for high theater and distraction.

Police Like You Have No Friends.
Retire. Take Your Well Earned Pension.

Evade. Escape.

Rant: On/(OFF)

8/23/2016 12:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just spotted this, will be looking for more info...

"A recent deadly force study by Washington State University researcher Lois James found that police officers were less likely to shoot unarmed black suspects than unarmed white or Hispanic ones… Harvard economics professor, Roland Fryer… found that blacks were 24% less likely than whites to be shot by officers even though the suspects were armed or violent [in Houston]."

Mmm. Check whose "privilege?"

8/23/2016 12:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

(OT) Jamal pos thug police attacking scum request another judge:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-arraign-chicago-activist-assault-charges-met-20160823-story.html

So his attorney (who is paying for lawyer?) is scared he doesn't want to upset the crew with connections to Eddie! Hope the judge says no he needs to do jail time!

8/23/2016 01:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Burke fund raising for foxx we are in serious trouble:

http://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/mihalopoulos-reformer-foxx-has-new-fundraising-fan-ald-burke/

Thought Eddie was for the police!

8/23/2016 02:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I feel sorry for you guys and gals in the CPD. You seem to be working in a sort of bizarro world where right is wrong and wrong is right. I can only hope that one day this shit will correct itself and you can once again be proud to be a member of the "blue tornado".

Retired ISP Sgt

8/23/2016 02:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fly oh the Wall: I have said repeatedly that this is coming from the Mayor. The superintendent is just following the direction from the 5th Floor of City Hall. I have also stated that there were mistakes in the Investigation itself and how it was handled. What you, SSC, have stated is 100% accurate. The Mayor's Office, the Superintendent Office, and Legal Affairs does not know how to handled this situation. It showed as SSC and Angelo stated, "Where is the Due Process in this matter?" What about following the contract between the City of Chicago and the FOP, how about following State Law regarding the Disciplinary Process in regards to Police Officers, and how about following the results of Arbitration? These are major errors the City is committing. Again, to the Attorney representing Jason Vandyke: Review the conduct of IG Investigators on how they conducted the investigation. They violated the contract, the law and procedures.

8/23/2016 02:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are officers at call back that have not been served with anything in 5 years. Please fop help them

8/23/2016 02:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We're below second class citizens.

8/23/2016 03:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To set the record straight:
Today, I saw a video of 7 or 8 Black women fighting, kicking, scratching, beating each other in the front of a Wal-Mart Store. The video titled the Wal-Mart as being in Crestwood, Illinois.
So I phoned there and spoke to the head guy to see what Wal-Mart did about the situation (they best have filed charges on all of them for disturbances and for the bare feet--to stick with the charges and thru the courts--and to forbid those criminals access to that particular store for the future. Also, planned to mention my shopping experiences will be somewhere other than Crestwood-Wal-Mart. Turns out I didn't get that far. Manager said fight and video did not occur in Crestwood-Wal-Mart---that Crestwood does not have a Money Center incorporated into the Wal-Mart (see ads on wall). So, I searched for all Wal-Mart's in the Chicagoland area with Money Centers in them. There are 2. One in Lombard and one on US-6, Gary, Ind.

8/23/2016 03:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just spotted this, will be looking for more info...

"A recent deadly force study by Washington State University researcher Lois James found that police officers were less likely to shoot unarmed black suspects than unarmed white or Hispanic ones… Harvard economics professor, Roland Fryer… found that blacks were 24% less likely than whites to be shot by officers even though the suspects were armed or violent [in Houston]."

Mmm. Check whose "privilege?"

-=-=-=-=-=-

SCC covered it over a month ago when it first appeared. Keep up

8/23/2016 06:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Burke fund raising for foxx we are in serious trouble:

http://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/mihalopoulos-reformer-foxx-has-new-fundraising-fan-ald-burke/

Thought Eddie was for the police!

8/23/2016 02:11:00 PM
Wow eddie who says he is for the police but now raising huge cash for her! Guess his law business will be connected to her somehow somewhere pay to play?

8/23/2016 07:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I like that name...Jugghead Ed.

8/23/2016 09:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I gotta say, I can always drive uber or lift..."

8/23/2016 01:14:00 AM

They are going driverless as fast as they can. Best stick around here, and learn computer skills so as to be able to operate a Driverless Squad Car that can still shine a light around, let go with an air horn when it spots something, and discharge Silly String at evildoers.

8/23/2016 09:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Please reach out to the coppers that have been stripped. They will not have the benefit of the doubt by being at call back until this is resolved. Every one of them is a solid officer and good person. They have been told they will be in NO PAY status as soon as this week. Regardless if you know them or not, this could have been any one of us. The department and the mayor are making them scapegoats. There are not not many of us that could survive very long losing our income and health insurance with one week's notice.

8/23/2016 10:38:00 AM

Your time as a Police Officer can end at any time always have a backup job in mind. I'm an ASE certified mechanic fix cars on the side in my garage, I also have a CDL and friends in sales auto/insurance business keep your options open. Always save money for rainy day try to save a years salary within a decade many in Chicago live on half of what we make. Retainer for good attorney is 10 to 20 thousand hopefully you will never need bail money anything can happen.

8/23/2016 09:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rahm needs to get this shitbag with a knife mess over and done with before Hitlery gets in in order to secure a sweet spot in her administration which means railroading these peasants as quickly as possible and getting the upper ranks who signed off all secure in new digs and gigs. He's not to concerned with "due process", this is after all Chicago.

8/23/2016 10:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...


Fly oh the Wall: I have said repeatedly that this is coming from the Mayor. The superintendent is just following the direction from the 5th Floor of City Hall. I have also stated that there were mistakes in the Investigation itself and how it was handled. What you, SSC, have stated is 100% accurate. The Mayor's Office, the Superintendent Office, and Legal Affairs does not know how to handled this situation. It showed as SSC and Angelo stated, "Where is the Due Process in this matter?" What about following the contract between the City of Chicago and the FOP, how about following State Law regarding the Disciplinary Process in regards to Police Officers, and how about following the results of Arbitration? These are major errors the City is committing. Again, to the Attorney representing Jason Vandyke: Review the conduct of IG Investigators on how they conducted the investigation. They violated the contract, the law and procedures.

8/23/2016 02:27:00 PM

Somebody PLEASE get this post to VanDyke. This poster's been pretty dead-on in the past and is drawing a blueprint. Yes, the lawyers 'should' know this, but let's try to make sure they cover every base.

>> "Again, to the Attorney representing Jason Vandyke: Review the conduct of IG Investigators on how they conducted the investigation. They violated the contract, the law and procedures."

8/23/2016 10:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From FOP Contract Article 6
M. If, prior to taking an Officer’s statement, the Employer, IPRA or IAD is in possession of video or audio evidence relevant to the matter under investigation, it may, in its discretion, elect to advise or not to advise the Officer of such fact and, further, may allow or not allow the Officer an opportunity to review the video or audio evidence prior to taking the Officer’s statement. An Officer who is not allowed to review the video or audio evidence prior to giving a statement shall not be charged with a Rule 14 violation unless the Officer has been presented with the video or audio evidence and given the opportunity to clarify and amend the Officer’s original statement. In any event, the Employer shall not charge an Officer with a Rule 14 violation unless it has determined that: (1) the Officer willfully made a false statement; and (2) the false statement was made about a fact that was material to the incident under investigation.

8/23/2016 11:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wait till you pay taxes on deferred comp.

8/23/2016 10:03:00 AM
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That's why you don't pay the taxes when you contribute it. You pay them when you make withdrawals. Unlike you, who is filthy rich, I expect I'll be making somewhat less than I do now, so the tax bit won't be as bad, hopefully. Don't forget, that money is supposed to last many years, so, if you snatch out 100K the first year cause it's your money, you'll be taxed to death and broke, in short order.

8/24/2016 12:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The contract means nothing when they go after you. There is no statute of limitations. For Illinois court its 3 years, for the Federal Court system its 5, for CPD, there are no limits. Sure the contract says there are time limits, but look at the police board cases. They go over the limit and then say "no where does it say that if the city goes over the time limits on an investigation or forget to file an extension does it result in charges dropped against the officer. So why have limits in the contract if there are no consequences for the city for not following them. We need to have out unions fight for time restrictions that result in automatic dropping of charges after say 5 years. But the union says the same thing it has always said "your still getting paid" They do not talk about the depression and marital issues that arise by living your life for years in limbo.

8/24/2016 02:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BOHICA!!!

8/24/2016 07:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Saw a news story about Dallas Police concerning the rule that officers involved in shootings have a 48-hr reprieve before interview/interrogation. According to the story, the officers will now receive Miranda, have the right to refuse the interview and be represented by an attorney. According to the reports, the DPD has said a police officer should have no less rights than a citizen and that the new rules are a just due process.

8/24/2016 08:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Everyone of us outside of HQ is a political prisoner. Special Ed is selling his sole to save his GF. And we are one big pawn is Rahm's political game. He don't give a f--- about any of us or does our Command Staff.

8/24/2016 08:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't forget about Gulliford..... he was allowed to retire quietly into the night without fanfare--before any poop hit the fan

Guilford has escaped forced mandatory retirement TWICE...the first time for the SOS scandal (he was their commander when their shit hit the fan), and how this. Talk about a charmed life as an exempt, huh?

8/24/2016 09:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did escalante and mcnaughton retire in good standings if there is a c r number on this incident just wondering

8/24/2016 05:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.chipabf.org/ChicagoPolicePension/PDF/Minutes/2016/2016MINUTES06.pdf

After all these years, Disabilty Dean not disabled! What lucrative job is he looking to get

8/24/2016 06:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wait till you pay taxes on deferred comp.

8/23/2016 10:03:00 AM
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That's why you don't pay the taxes when you contribute it. You pay them when you make withdrawals. Unlike you, who is filthy rich, I expect I'll be making somewhat less than I do now, so the tax bit won't be as bad, hopefully. Don't forget, that money is supposed to last many years, so, if you snatch out 100K the first year cause it's your money, you'll be taxed to death and broke, in short order.

Don't be to hard on the guy. He does have a point. When you are younger have kids as write off, mortgages,etc you can be in a lower tax bracket. In addition your salary is less. When you retire and get 75% maybe a wife pension and social security along with 2 deferred comps you could be in a higher tax bracket. I'm not rich but paying a lot of taxes. Doesn't happen that often but does happen

8/24/2016 07:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, not only did they retire in good standing, they also got a very nice email from Ed thanking them for their years of dedication and distinguished service to the city.

8/24/2016 08:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

File a lawsuit against the city and Rham

8/24/2016 11:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Dallas PD shooting interview rules were a 72 hour wait on questions of officers involved in shooting.

An activist group demanded çhanges. So the Chief changed the rules to just give Miranda rights.

Stand up guy.

8/24/2016 11:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The officers hasn't been presented with any charges or allegations and neither have they received a copy of the IG's mreport, and yet the supe recommended that they be fired. There's a protocol that must be followed EJ, but don't worry you reap what you sow and when Rahm serves you yours after you're done doing his dirty work you are going to need 10 shoulders to cry on.

8/25/2016 05:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wait till you pay taxes on deferred comp.

8/23/2016 10:03:00 AM
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That's why you don't pay the taxes when you contribute it. You pay them when you make withdrawals. Unlike you, who is filthy rich, I expect I'll be making somewhat less than I do now, so the tax bit won't be as bad, hopefully. Don't forget, that money is supposed to last many years, so, if you snatch out 100K the first year cause it's your money, you'll be taxed to death and broke, in short order.

Don't be to hard on the guy. He does have a point. When you are younger have kids as write off, mortgages,etc you can be in a lower tax bracket. In addition your salary is less. When you retire and get 75% maybe a wife pension and social security along with 2 deferred comps you could be in a higher tax bracket. I'm not rich but paying a lot of taxes. Doesn't happen that often but does happen

8/24/2016 07:41:00 PM

When Deferred Comp and the other retirement plans were created they had great tax advantages, but back then there were many tax brackets, up to 90 percent. The theory was that when you retired you would be in a lower bracket and that was an advantage of not taxing the money until retirement. Now there are many fewer brackets so that you very likely will pay pretty much the same tax as when you were working. The 15 percent bracket ends at around 65K, but that is taxable income. Most of us will be in that bracket, so it will still be some savings. The 20 percent that they withhold when a withdrawal is made is just that withholding and if you are in a lower bracket that is what you wind up paying.

8/25/2016 07:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't forget about Gulliford..... he was allowed to retire quietly into the night without fanfare--before any poop hit the fan

Guilford has escaped forced mandatory retirement TWICE...the first time for the SOS scandal (he was their commander when their shit hit the fan), and how this. Talk about a charmed life as an exempt, huh?

ummm get your facts right stupid gulliford was brought in after the scandal broke to oversee the stripping and handling of the officers involved in the scandal.

8/30/2016 11:44:00 PM  

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