Who was the Chief of Patrol?
- Even after Chicago Police Supt. Eddie Johnson decides whether to fire 10 officers accused of covering up the police shooting of Laquan McDonald, Inspector General Joe Ferguson’s investigation will continue to determine whether police brass were part of a code of silence.
Investigating the brass? Interesting:
- On Oct. 21, 2014, the day after the shooting, an executive committee comprised of police brass watched the video. They saw Van Dyke empty his weapon, even though McDonald apparently posed no threat, with many of the shots fired while the teenager was already on the ground.
Then-Police Supt. Garry McCarthy presided over that meeting, with members of his executive staff including then-First Deputy Superintendent Al Wysinger, then-Chief of Detectives John Escalante, then-Deputy Chief David McNaughton, the incident commander on the scene the night of the shooting who abruptly retired earlier this week, and others. Escalante also announced his retirement this week.
Gee whiz, that's quite the line-up. McCarthy (gone), Wysinger (gone), McNaughton (gone) and Escalante (gone).
The thing is, we can't believe that only four exempts participated in the meeting. When brass meet for something big, there's always eight or ten attending. It's usually the entire chain of command. If we remember correctly, it'd be something like this:
The thing is, we can't believe that only four exempts participated in the meeting. When brass meet for something big, there's always eight or ten attending. It's usually the entire chain of command. If we remember correctly, it'd be something like this:
- Supernintendo (McCarthy)
- First Deputy (Wysinger)
- Chief of Patrol
- Deputy Chief of Patrol
- Chief of Detectives (Escalante)
- Area Chief Patrol
- Area Chief Detectives
- On Scene Incident Commander (McNaughton)
- Commander of involved member
- *This is just a rumor again* SCC, this is unf#ckingbelievable how this is unraveling in just days. CPD gets a message from the OIG saying to fire Gene Roy. CPD releases a statement announcing Gene's "age-related" retirement that same day. Too little too late. Last week Gene Roy was interrogated by the OIG. Friday Dan Herbert got an order from a judge to turn over the transcript of the interview. Roy was given a copy of a list of attendees at the post-shooting briefing after this incident and asked what each attendee said. It was an easy answer. Each attendee was asked by the chief of patrol and each attendee said "This shooting is justified." Eddie Johnson was an attendee. I REPEAT: EDDIE IS ON RECORD AS SAYING THIS WAS A JUSTIFIED SHOOTING. How the F%CK does this guy fire officers who did nothing more than appear on scene to appease the mayor? He thought this would save his girlfriend? F%CK YOU EDDIE. YOU ARE DONE. Hope you had a good time with the shortest term of a superintendent ever you dipsh*t. *This is just a rumor again*
- Holy shit Eddie is F$&&@d! Sworn testimony from multiple sources that Superintendent Johnson as Deputy Chief determined after viewing the video Van Dyke was justified. Either Eddie fires himself or this just went off the rails.
Oh yeah....the Chief of Patrol is always involved in these meetings.
Always.
And who was the Chief of Patrol?
So Roy and Special Ed were at this meeting, too? And they gave the shooting a "justified" rendering? Anyone see a tiny little problem here? Or is everyone seeing a giant f#$%ing issue with this?
Always.
And who was the Chief of Patrol?
So Roy and Special Ed were at this meeting, too? And they gave the shooting a "justified" rendering? Anyone see a tiny little problem here? Or is everyone seeing a giant f#$%ing issue with this?
Labels: rumors
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
206 Comments:
Hopefully Eddie takes kulbida with him out the door
Honey, make another batch of popcorn...
What a tangled web we weave when we practice to deceive. Does Eddie think his name is Clinton?
If the lodge does not push for him to resign after a no confidence vote in him and Rahm, then we should be looking to other representation outside the FOP for what will certainly be the most contentious contract negotiations of our careers. Perhaps the teamsters need to come out and provide us with a little info on what they have to offer.
What the fuck indeed. Clean house after this fucking fiasco. Geezus. I can understand wanting to save your partner because you need him or her to battle the urban terrorists, really I do. But the gold star sitting on his ass everyday? Speak up man.
If any of you think that suspension and separation will happen to the brass in lieu of retirement, you all are smoking dope.
The brass always walks away over the bodies of the coppers thrown under bus.
They should all relax. The shooting was justified. I, too, had the luxury of seeing the video. Dropping the charges on Van Dyke is the only answer....or helping build his defense.
The offender refused lawful order by a Police Officer to drop a deadly weapon.
Even the cheating hacks could see the knife and the offender's refusal and unpredictability. Van Dyke took police action. He did his job. Stop the circus. Eddie, be smart, turn the tables on Rham and say it was justified before you join the list.......Draw the line here. Save the City and the Department.
At this point, police order means less than nothing in this town.
Amusing...
Rahm's City Hall agit-prop apparatus has been
feeding a lot of content to Frannie and the
Scum-Times lately.
Maybe because public commentary has been disabled?
You know... That thing called "Push-Back" that Rahm hates so much.
They're desperate to control the slowly
disintegrating Rahm Emanuel spin and narration
on this miscarriage of justice.
At this point, Big-Head Ed may as well cut
Lt. N.F. loose to take her lumps like the
big girl she imagines she is...
Truth telling shames many Devils...
As I closed this bit of reading, I hope to God I was hearing Randy Rhodes Guitar opening up the riff.
Van Dyke's offender had a deadly weapon and was still holding after the threat was eliminated.
This is a witch hunt to keep the eyes of the Mayor. The one who should be held accountable is the Mayor.
These assholes are too stupid to get out of their own way . ....or . ....maybe they didn't see the spin Rahm puton the ball.
Either way , here comes the bus .
Fop.....some of us dont want to carry tasers. The anti police movement is even trying to crucify us if we tase a active resistor or above. Using a taser is investigated just like a shooting now. We dont want them. Let the college kids play with them. 19p
One ticket to the show please
Interesting turn of events. If Eddie fires himself, he won't be able to fire Weezie.
Wait until every single one of them gets called as witnesses in the police board hearing and gets asked under oath if they thought the shooting was unjustified. Remember you are obligated to take action and at the very least pull a Cr. But a number was never pulled and VD wasn't stripped until 10 days later at Ando's request. The truth will come out and it might just cost EJ his job. EJ should never have tried scapegoating these coppers to protect the Mayor and Patton from withholding the video. Patton told EJ to fire everyone and EJ was too stupid not to realize it was going to come back and haunt him.
With all of the brass fleeing and all of the retirements occurring and all of the firing, I might make commander soon......
At some point Rahm had to be notified and informed of the findings or conclusion for the case BEFORE the final Justified was determined.
Bet $5 and a doughnut that there's R.E. intitals somewhere showing he signed off on it
Can this be, maybe the start of a DOJ takeover?
If only we can connect Hillary to this scandal too.
Rahm dropped the ball. This one goes all the way to him. Hilary has the same play book. Tell you friends and familys not to make the same mistake like when they voted for the big 'O" or Oops......
Wow!!!! Just fucking wow and unbelievable!!!! Any media person should be salivating over this. More possible cover up and shenanigans. What a city. The Chicago way is alive and well. The DOJ should be all over this. Isn't this what they are here for? It's not the lowly Patrolman that's been running this place over the years. It's the "good ole boys club"
Are you shocked? Really? Instead of rehashing the same ol rhetoric about the brass playing by a separate set of rules we should be planing a demonstration of our own. We should march on city hall and or picket headquarters demanding equal and fair treatment for the rank and file. The time for action is NOW! We as police officers have always been regarded as second class citizens, but this shit has gone beyond ridiculous. The FOP is useless, it's time to organize on our own behalf. Please God, enough already!
So Eddie watches a video of cop struggling on ground and says he can't see the cop being choked or bitten. Yet one camera shows a shooting without any cops in video besides van dyck and partner and he determines they lying? Rahms sack must taste good Eddie
Way OT but Important:
SCC, please find the Aug., 21, 2016 article written by Michael Goodwin @the New York Post, titled: 'American Journalism is Collapsing Before Our Eyes'. The Subject is Media Bias.
Thank you!!
If they all said the shooting was justified, then why was Van Dyke stripped 10 days later ?
I feel like the Police, the community have been put into a pressure cooker by activists and Rahm. Something will give soon. I just hope the war on Police doesn't last. I now come to hate this place. Thanks Mr. Mayor for doing such a great job. I can't wait for voting time.......
They can't blame the bars / Taverns on the South Side for all the problems. They closed them. They regulated them all right out of business.
Boy I could really use a cold beer right about now. This is a total shit show.
This place is fucked
If the State's Attorneys office wants to assume the mindset of Van Dyke and apply a charge of first degree murder. Then I would like to give my feelings on the mindset of McDonald at the time. Two decades of being a police officer tells me that his actions, pcp intoxication, wielding of a knife, and his fuck you strut...says....Fuck you mother-fuckers, you're not taking me alive, I will fight and attempt to kill. Unfortunate, buts that's the reality of it, and every experienced police officer knows this to be true. Van Dyke is being railroaded.
I feel like protesting 9.5. I'm so sick of all this $h@+! In the next election I'm voting for anyone but him. I'll put up signs on my house and car for his opponent. This jag has to gooooooooooooo...........
These bosses make me sick. All taking care of each other slapping backs and promoting each other.
Fast Eddie is too busy toting water for Rham--- to pay any attention as to what he said in the past
Just remember, Johnson isn't firing anyone, it's all coming from the mayors office and Corp counsel, period...
He should fire himself, or fuck himself. No he should do both.
If this is true, why hasn't Garry McDrinkypoo mentioned it yet? He's been crying foul about being fired to anyone who'll entertain the thought of even interviewing him, yet I haven't heard him mention a word of this. I know why he's kept his pie hole shut...
Attention news media... THIS is your "Code of Silence". It's what fuels gold star Bossholes' meteoric ascensions while CPD and guarantees cushy gigs post CPD.
The handful of blue shirt schleps that are getting crucified for merely being on scene and dropping witness statements after a traumatic incident are collateral damage by design. Ditto the sergeants who handled the TRRs and approved a GOCR. They are the scapegoats and safety cushions to ensure the CPD 'elite' walk away from incidents like this unscathed.
I pray Johnson is forced to step down and then joins every cocksucker associated with the LIEutenants scandal in getting indicted.
Fuck EVERY LAST ONE of the gold star whores that are frantically scrambling to save their own worthless hides. May your assholes be puckering tight to stave off the nervous shits. Fucking bastards.
This week has been as metaphorically bloody for CPD as it has actually been bloody for the Citizens of Chicago.
For Chicago there has been fourteen shot and killed; for the CPD there have been how many stripped, and/or resigned?
Eddie-the Axe Man needs to strip himself and recommend that he himself be fired also.
Of course since Eddie sees nothing wrong with all of Weezy's escapades I'm sure he doesn't see the conflict with this either.
Intelligence is not a strong suit of Eddie nor Weezy.
Lest the nickname Eddie "can't get right" Johnson!
I hope VanDyke's lawyer subpoenas each and every one of these clouted clowns.
Why did you say the shooting was justified?
Excuse me, could you repeat that for the jury?
Question,
Who was there from the Mayors office?
Who was there from "The Committee to Reelect the Midget?"
I hope someone in the DOJ is listening?
Maybe THIS is the problem with the CPD?
Rahm may be dumb, but he aint stupid...
This all may be part of his nefarious plan to put HIS person in as Supt.
Rahm put Eddie there to appease the Black Masses after a few incidents, including the McDonald shooting.
Rahm doesn't want the City to burn, so Eddie, to quell some shit is now running the show. And not very well. Rahm knows this.
Rahm might just say: "Hey, look, I put the guy YOU wanted in charge, and he sucks, so now it's MY turn."
Nothing to see here move along.
There are NO WORDS anymore to describe the Cluster Fuck Bullshit that is going on , or to the level it has gotten too ,,,, Simply unfuckin Believable ,. That just goes to show you The Higher you get the more CORRUPT it gets .
SCC, and readers: please, please, please continue to broadcast this truth to everyone.
Don't let my husband (one of the officers who was offered up as a sacrificial lamb) go down without a fight.
Please I beg you. Our lives are already ruined but please get the truth out about Superintendent Johnson's role.
OT: Everyone really needs to understand that Chief Eugene Williams met with several black sergeants both associates and non-associates of NOBLE and gave them enough help on the lieutenants exam to score in the top 100. Many of there sergeants, now lieutenants, have gone unnoticed. Green, Boyd, Cato, Winters, Carter all took part in this scam. Let's not continue to beat up on Fenner and Wysinger unless we start including Everyone.
Each and every one of them were sworn to secrecy and told by Williams that he would deny everything. Williams wanted to ensure that the future brass of the department was well represented by African Americans. Mission accomplished.
Question: Was the Liaison to the Police Department, from the Mayor's Office at that meeting, she was an attorney, or for that matter ANY Representative of the Mayor in attendance? Because "Justified" or not, it was clear after viewing the video; it was obvious to Media Savvy Rahm's Staff, that the video had to be concealed. I can still recall watching the press conference when Rahm was waiting for the judge's decision on the release of the video, while Rahm was still trying to suppress the video, and a reporter asked Rahm if he had seen the video. Rahm replied: "I'll see it when you see it." A great play on words from a cunning liar, because it was true! Sure Rahm would see the video when it was made public, but that phrase ignored the Real Question which was the implied;"Have you ALREADY seen the video and when"? Rahm and his surrogates to this day have failed to answer that question. Stay Fetal, Stay Fetal: you are passengers on a sinking ship, that is running out of life preservers! Baby"G"
thgis department is upside down!
manage your risks out there, accordingly!
FTO
Lucy... You got some splainin' to do...!
Until you get a REAL Superintendent for CPD, this "group" of people will continue to be a collection of Keystone Cops.
There needs to be leadership in CPD AND when you come down to it, the City itself.
Remember way back, when they kept telling us how the cameras were here to help us and that they would show the rest of the world how bad the bad guy is? Yeah, that was cute.
This is getting really interesting! Checkmate.
Weezie isn't worth it Eddie. You will be discarded when you are of no further use to her.
Eddie! What have you done for me lately, Eddie?
How do you fire yourself?
My question is: Why is the Inspector General recommending that all on the scene be fired? If he knows anything about how the CPD operates, knows anything about the law, and understands anything about department orders. I might be wrong but I had read somewhere that IG had some of these officers with 35 or more department rules and regs against them. That is absurd and over the top.
Just a theory but it seems several of Rahm's hires have ethical and/or legal baggage when they are hired. Comptroller Ahmad and Byrd-Bennett come to mind. It is like Rahm seeks out folks who he knows that with all their possible legal or ethical problems, he can squeeze them to do what he wants and when wants.
Give it time, Eddie the Terminator will have a short shelve life. When he has served his purpose or stops doing what Rahm tells him to do, the lie-tenant exam scandal will break in the news and Eddie will quickly resign.
Rahm is too much of a micromanager to not be in the know on what skeletons are in his hires' closet.
So if Eddie strips himself, who will be the next supe? chief Anne K. like the Police Board suggested? Or will Ram want another black person?
So...will Hillard be brought back as an interim while the search for a new Superboob begins anew?
Stupid is as stupid do!
Let's not forget rahm and several aldermen viewed the video shortly after the shooting. No rage or out cry from any of them for over a year.
Eddie Johnson was not chief of patrol in 2014......
Then we have rahm and his band of thieves paying cash money to the MacDonald "family". Sort of like ransom money, rahm must have learned that trick from obama.
Fired him !!!!!
Garry's Chief of Staff/DC Detective Bureau/Chief of Crime Strategies/ Chief Internal Affairs & Chief of Organized crime would attend this type of meeting unless on furlough.
Gullifird was Chief of Patrol. Eddie Johnson was DC of Patrol so he would be there too.
I know I'm beating a dead horse, but the shooting WAS justified.
Very amusing that Rahm did not do his homework nor did his minions. If true, they cannot go to court, HAHAHA>:)
This is funnier than you know.
When I was terminated by Superintendent McCarthy he said that the IAD had video tape of the
allegations. Well the video is never provided to the accused during investigation. Once you are terminated you are provided the video. Once myself and my Attorney viewed the video we could not stop laughing and continued to fight
termination. During police board hearing the city attorneys played video where the hearing officer asked the city,
(What does this video show the board? ) Police Board decided not guilty.
But the best thing about this was Eddie Johnson as chief of patrol and his not concurring with my allegation, in his reports to Superintendent he stated video does not quantify the evidence since each person viewing the video
sees a different view of the incident.
The big question here is when Rahm saw or was made aware of the video. He just made the statement that he is building a wall between him and decisions made by CPD. Another attempt at distancing himself from his decision to hold the video until after the election. He shouldn't be let off the hook this easily. Since our media has no balls we need to keep pushing out there who held the video.
Is anyone surprised? This is the Chicago way, don't pay attention to the man behind the curtain.
Maybe VanDyke is justified until rahm decides otherwise.
Hey lame stream media, you reading this??????? Shake the fucking tree you assholes
Anonymous said...
Just remember, Johnson isn't firing anyone, it's all coming from the mayors office and Corp counsel, period...
8/22/2016 02:55:00 AM
Everything of any importance that occurs in every department of city government comes from the mayor's office, and that includes the police department. Everything of any importance has to be cleared with the mayor's office/ A former police superintendent who I knew pretty well, told me that when he was appointed he had only two picks, his executive assistant and his driver. McCArthy might have had a few more choices, but I don't think many. He allegedly is suing the mayor for unlawful discharge and I hope he wins big. But, he sure could hurt the mayor if he ever speaks out. But, I am sure McCarthy knows what ever former superintendent knows: keep your mouth shut and good things will come to you.
Lord help Chicago if the community, the hood gets angry enough to riot. It will make Baltimore look like a wienie roast. Half the city will burn and it might ever spread to the North side. If Rahm has to sacrifice a few cops to prevent that, then so be it.
Ladies and gentlemen of the press, the media, the OIG, and the U.S. Attorney's office.
You follow this blog, just as many ordinary citizens do. You are on notice that a cover-up occurred involving the MacDonald video and the question now is, what are you prepared to do about it?
If you do not do anything, then you have become a part of the Code of Silence.
"OT: Everyone really needs to understand that Chief Eugene Williams met with several black sergeants both associates and non-associates of NOBLE and gave them enough help on the lieutenants exam to score in the top 100. Many of there sergeants, now lieutenants, have gone unnoticed. Green, Boyd, Cato, Winters, Carter all took part in this scam. Let's not continue to beat up on Fenner and Wysinger unless we start including Everyone."
This is some very important info. I hope and pray you have informed the IG Office. If not than you sir are also part of the problem aka no balls to stand up!
Rahm himself viewed the tape at 10:30 AM the following morning. Then determined the best way to win reelection was to take care of the victims family off and secure that video. 5 million to the family and 1 year of legal (tax payer money) fees to keep the video out of the public = re-election. Thought that the "on-going" investigation would keep the video secured. When the judge didn't rule that way, it all fell apart. What you will see if you keep peeling away the layers of political fat is that Rahm Emmanuel runs this city. Rahm Emmanuel runs the Chicago Police Department. Rahm Emmanuel observed that video the following day after the incident. Rahm Emmanuel ran this investigation according to his political agenda and got caught. It is so obvious that only a completely incompetent person would not further investigate. Unless they are part of a mayors office code of silence.
Democrats are sure good at trying to blame anyone else for their problems....
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/22/colin-powell-says-clinton-officials-trying-to-pin-email-scandal-on-him.html
Colin Powell says Clinton officials trying to 'pin' email scandal on him
If tiny dancer fires Ed then he will surely appoint Staples. She has bragged since his intention to become mayor that she was connected to him. She is part of all that is wrong here and is another Petersen disciple, just like Johnson, Andrews, Walsh, Wojick, Pallohusky, and Cerone. Can't any of you connect the d o ts. This group have all been fired...resigned under major investigations opened to the public or given a year suspension. She is part of this cover up crew for personal promotions.
How does on get suspended for a YEAR for deceitful practices and lying in a very high profile murder investigation yet maintain himself in a unit as a supervisor, responsible for handling the most sensitive of investigations.
Must be his white shirt clout is higher than the four other white shirts that were forced to resign for this matter or face criminal charges. WOW NICE to be you Sammy.
Oh yeah he worked with staples (chief of detectives) and johnson (superintendent) and they all worked for Petersen at Area Four. Funny how that works out. What dirt does he have on them.
Good, they can reverse half (being kind) of his stupid ass command changes when he goes. What a crew of non policing, meritorious mush brains in that crew. Most have never even been the police. The only requirement seems to be to have been a member of NOBLE.
Stupid is, as stupid does!!!
And they had all that time to think and prepare for this.
Imagine if PO Van Dyke had all that time before he lawfully did exactly what he lawfully did???
To 1235am:
We all saw the video. It's on YouTube. Unless your speaking of the missing dunkin donuts video?
The cpd needs an enema !
Jim O'Donnell
Dennis Walsh
Ozzie Valdez
All three were on scene of the McDonald incident, the commander, the XO to the commander, and the violent crimes Lt, all said it was a good shoot. Now O'Donnell is in charge of handling police shootings, Walsh is a Capt in the detective division, and Ozzie is still VC LT.
At this point the McDonald circus is being kept alive to distract the public and media attention away from the out of control violence.
460 murdered so far??
The "500 by 1 Oct" poster is going to be real close.
who frickin cares- the next sup will be even worse!!!! Leave him in place and maybe the cops fired will have a great case to get their job back because he signed off on the shooting as justified!!!!!!
Schimel says the videos won't be released until after the county prosecutor decides whether to charge the officer. He said releasing the videos now "will not answer all of your questions" and that it will be better viewed in context once all of the information is available.
Wow a department not worried about appeasing the lawless and more concerned about giving the officers their due process. Maybe we should have a policy like that.
The question asked is,
"Does anyone see a tiny problem here"?
Uh, no
The connected are better than you. Remember that.
Why do people keep asking such asinine questions?
Just like Hillary. Yeah, she violated the Espionage Act, but she's a Clinton.
The rules don't apply.
The sooner people come to grips with the fact that we are no longer a nation of laws, the better.
It's not personal. It's business.
I will schedule a meeting with Roy, and when he gets there I will close the door, and inform him that anything said in the room is private and not to leave the room. Then I will tell him how concerned I am for his troubles and ask him to fully disclose the matter. I will end the meeting by telling him that I am going to bat for him, and will do anything that I can for him.
Then I will sell him up the river...
ROY....I am NOT, and I shall NEVER be your friend...I have no fondness for you and your evil ways. Your getting what you deserve...
It happened to me....
Anyone remember the film Gladiator???
Is it just me or is there more of a striking resemblance between Rhambo and Joaquin Phoenix(Commodus)???????????
Just asking.
Jim Roussell was in the room and was possibly the guy who showed the mayor the video. Don't forget about Rousell he thought it was justified and now he wants to throw everyone else under the bus. Stand up guy you are not. You should be ashamed. Retire for you have no dignity nor integrity. You sir are a disgrace.
I'll bet Rhambo has more than second thoughts about a wedding dress in a basement now????
Eddie will have a star role in his own shit show.
Maybe Weezy can throw him a benefit.
Mayor buries the video for well over a year until his re-election. Somehow it's everyone's else fault? Wake me up when it's over.
Lol...
Re...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT: Everyone really needs to understand that Chief Eugene Williams met with several black sergeants both associates and non-associates of NOBLE and gave them enough help on the lieutenants exam to score in the top 100. Many of there sergeants, now lieutenants, have gone unnoticed. Green, Boyd, Cato, Winters, Carter all took part in this scam. Let's not continue to beat up on Fenner and Wysinger unless we start including Everyone.
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Dude, LT. Cato wasn't helped on shit regarding the test- they just MERIT promoted him as a det, they MERIT promoted him to Sgt. and they MERIT Promoted him to lieutenant.
I guarantee you he'll be a commander within a year!
What a
Anonymous Anonymous said...
If they all said the shooting was justified, then why was Van Dyke stripped 10 days later ?
8/22/2016 01:41:00 AM
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Political pressure.
Wake up guys and gals, Dean and his band of yes men must go. Get a competent leader DG for president.
Just imagine if there is a charge of violation of civil rights in Fed Court and they are called on to testify or even considered as conspiring to violate McDonald's civil rights by not charging Van Dyke for using excessive force. Lot of mouths will open then. I'll bet they are home taken the 5th now, a 5th of booze wondering if they are next ot be called to the Fed' Building.
Never never give up hope! The cheating scandal is much bigger then we thought. Look at those names very closely and include the sgts test too. Williams needs to be sued by IO solutions and lose his pension for official misconduct. Scum!
Chief of Patrol: W.G
Deputy Chief of Patrol, (your current Sup): E.J.
Area Central Deputy Chief, OCIC: D.McN.
Area Central Chief of Detectives: E.R.
Where was the chief of iad in all of this ?
Stay vewwy vewwy fetal
Anonymous said...
I feel like protesting 9.5. I'm so sick of all this $h@+! In the next election I'm voting for anyone but him. I'll put up signs on my house and car for his opponent. This jag has to gooooooooooooo...........
8/22/2016 02:17:00 AM
Chuy Garcia didn't seem like a bad choice at the time, oh well maybe next time huh?
I don't want to start a riot here, but has anyone noticed that there are 62 murders already this month, and we have 9 plus days left to go? Can Chicago crack 100?
Somewhat OT but not really WE NEED TO GET A BENEFIT GOING FOR THESE OFFICERS ASAP.
Ho Lee Fuk says..."Holy Fuck"! You cant make this shit up.
johnson wasnt the chief of patrol at the time. Johnson wasnt made the chief of patrol until Gmac left and Escalante took over in december. Then eddie johnson was made. at the time of the video review the area dept chief of area central was McNaughton, was was also the street deputy that night.
I see this as just a rumor for a really big reason. Im not so sure that at this little "viewing party" that it was deemed "justified" as the rumor states. If it was ruled justified immediately then way was Van Dyke stripped the day after the shooting.. when the alleged video review had taken place? Maybe at the review the round table of bosses didn't deem it justified. Maybe they said they need to strip Van Dyke pending an outcome of the investigation and findings by IPRA and IAD. Hmmmmmmm, too many holes in this one I think. If it was determined to be justified by the bosses then why strip him immediately? I don't think it was ever deemed justified by anyone and wasn't going to be classified as such until the investigation was over.
If they all said the shooting was justified, then why was Van Dyke stripped 10 days later ?
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he wasnt, he was stripped the next day.
Wonder how many people Fathead Ed will put into spots that never interviewed for them.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
If the lodge does not push for him to resign after a no confidence vote in him and Rahm, then we should be looking to other representation outside the FOP for what will certainly be the most contentious contract negotiations of our careers. Perhaps the teamsters need to come out and provide us with a little info on what they have to offer.
8/22/2016 12:21:00 AM
That would be a waste of a visit. The only thing good about them was their newspapers. Nobody reads them because they are almost all about UPS. I've never seen the word police in one. Good thing is I always had plenty to take home for the windows. Mom always said newspaper leaves less streaks when cleaning glass.
I know this is off topic but I thought you might want to weigh in. Presidential candidate Jill Stein wants to explore taking guns away from cops as a means of stopping all of these "racist" cop shootings. I grew up on the south side and know the turf. I'm thinking that despite the dedication of the vast majority of cops, that might just lead to a bit of a cop shortage across the country... what say you? And do you think a Friday or Saturday night ride-along in Chicago (or D.C. Detroit, South Central LA, etc) might change her perspective?
Anonymous said...
They should all relax. The shooting was justified. I, too, had the luxury of seeing the video. Dropping the charges on Van Dyke is the only answer....or helping build his defense.
The offender refused lawful order by a Police Officer to drop a deadly weapon.
Even the cheating hacks could see the knife and the offender's refusal and unpredictability. Van Dyke took police action. He did his job. Stop the circus. Eddie, be smart, turn the tables on Rham and say it was justified before you join the list.......Draw the line here. Save the City and the Department.
At this point, police order means less than nothing in this town.
8/22/2016 12:35:00 AM
I don't know how much training has changed over the years. There was nothing I saw in that video to justify that shooting. There was a knife. There was a non compliant subject. There was no imminent threat. If he so much as turned around and stepped in the opposite direction...different ball game. If he had a projectile..If he was schooled in knife throwing..ok. It was a bad shoot guys.
"Anyone see a tiny little problem here? Or is everyone seeing a giant f#$%ing issue with this?"
I can't see anything because the cloud of cowardice and the fog of hypocracy is in the way.
If those officers that were recently stripped are indicted by the special prosecutor, how does he get away with not including Roy, McNaughton and Escalante? Perhaps even Johnson and McCarthy?
Anonymous said...
I hope someone in the DOJ is listening?
Maybe THIS is the problem with the CPD?
8/22/2016 04:17:00 AM
Obama's DOJ, which is going to be Clinton's DOJ? This is a national problem, and Rahm is part of the machine. Keep voting Democrat and this is what you get. This latest move wouldn't be happening without the DOJ letting it happen... they are here to fix public perception so Rahm can safely go back to the white house with Hilly as a 'reformer'. This isn't all that hard to follow folks LOL
This is so fucked up
Step down Eddie and give Waller the seat
Remember way back, when they kept telling us how the cameras were here to help us and that they would show the rest of the world how bad the bad guy is? Yeah, that was cute.
Really. The public expects these police videos to be like what they see in the movies.
No way.
The camera image bounces around when you walk. Even if you put a camera on your head and recorded walking down the street, the amount of camera shake would be surprising. (Your brain filters it out)
Also where the camera is mounted.
And the image quality. These cameras are not high dollar broadcast quality. They ain't ever $300 1080P HD Go-Pros.
Surely, Eddie the Stripper is not that short-sighted!? If true, he should most certainly fall on his own sword here and now for the same reasons he used on those he ruined. Leader, I think not.
Fop.....some of us dont want to carry tasers. The anti police movement is even trying to crucify us if we tase a active resistor or above. Using a taser is investigated just like a shooting now. We dont want them. Let the college kids play with them. 19p
8/22/2016 12:54:00 AM
I feel the same way.
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-7th-circuit/1014145.html
A case on Ms. Lightfoot's ethics as an attorney. Anyone think she has grown since then.
Im pretty sure Eugene Williams was the Chief of Patrol at the time, then Gulliford took over.
So when do the riots start...october?
Wasn't the Chief of Patrol Gulliford?
Bring back the golden age of policing...bring back daddy!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
If the lodge does not push for him to resign after a no confidence vote in him and Rahm, then we should be looking to other representation outside the FOP for what will certainly be the most contentious contract negotiations of our careers. Perhaps the teamsters need to come out and provide us with a little info on what they have to offer.
8/22/2016 12:21:00 AM
TEAMSTERS? Where is Jimmy Hoffa?
If your one of the coppers who have some discipline cases up on Special Ed desk you may not want a vote of no confidence. And what purpose would it serve?
Do you think 9.5 would dump him because of it?
It would actually help him with the haters because he could say see they think I'm too tough.
Go erase this too SCC.
Lori Lightfoot is good friends with Ferguson OIG.
So everything you see and hear is part of the act guys is a show. They gonna say what a coincidence. Bullshit. They keep covering up.
Code of silence in OIG department too.
I stoped watching shit. Is the same over and over.
Why is Rahm Emmanuel and Killary still out of prison and Blago isn't??
How about Roussell? He had his office right outside the Superintendent's office. I can't believe he wasn't there. He has had the biggest hand in ruining this department - ever since he moved up, this department began to collapse. He should have never been promoted higher than sergeant.
Ernie C. Was a merit Det and a merit Sgt. Did miraculously on the Lt. Exam, and was a Sgt from HQ. Williams walks away and Wysinger walks away And knew exActly Mrs. W. Would be assured the top scorer. Our Superintendent was well aware his fiancé was also in the in crowd. Williams made sure his buddies fiance scored well "on her own"
This is the same high scoring Lt who argued Milwaukee is a state. Wow.
Can Eddie "self-strip" himself?
Just axin
Johnson, McCarthy, Roy, Valdez, Riccio, Escalante, Roussell, Price, Tracy, McNaughton, Gulliford ONE of you please stand up and defend your decision not to get a CR#. Don't let these sacrificial lambs go down without you standing up and explaining why you viewed the video listened to the witness statements and deemed to shooting to be lawful. I'll help you....VD shot an armed assailant who assaulted him with a deadly weapon. All officers related what their perception was at the time of the traumatic incident. Although I don't see any inconsistencies in the video with their statements that's my opinion, if your opinion is different than mine remember....Humans beings are allowed to be mistaken without being cast as liars. The truth is trickling out. This could be you tomorrow. Don't do anything for this mayor or the Superitendent. Where is the NO CONFIDENCE vote Fop? We need to demand Johnson step down.
Just a rumor. It doesn't happen like this after a police involved shooting. It sounds sensational and people will belive this nonsense but it doesn't go down like this
How can Eddie move to terminate all the officers involved with the shooting and decisions in the aftermath when he was one of them? Isn't this an ethics violation? You agree to something then force a chief to retire and strip the others? Is this logical? What the fuck is going on here?
Gulliford was chief of patrol
Need a pancho with my popcorn watching this shit show.
Good thing you guys step on your collective dicks on regular basis where else would the Brass find scapegoats to cover their malfeasance. The Officers in question are being fired for lying on Official Reports REMEMBER?
They should all relax. The shooting was justified. I, too, had the luxury of seeing the video. Dropping the charges on Van Dyke is the only answer....or helping build his defense.
The offender refused lawful order by a Police Officer to drop a deadly weapon.
Even the cheating hacks could see the knife and the offender's refusal and unpredictability. Van Dyke took police action. He did his job. Stop the circus. Eddie, be smart, turn the tables on Rham and say it was justified before you join the list.......Draw the line here. Save the City and the Department.
At this point, police order means less than nothing in this town.
8/22/2016 12:35:00 AM
The initial shooting was justified. The problem is with the extra shots when the offender is on the ground. You can't watch that video and tell if he was still holding a knife or trying to get up. You don't know if he should've been shot 16 times. Just because you can shoot someone for coming at you with a knife, doesn't mean you can continue shooting them once they've been neutralized. I'm not saying that's what happened. I'm just explaining the problem with that shooting. However, if the offender was killed by the first few shots, there's nothing illegal about the following shots, since the supposed "murder victim" would have already been dead, and therefore unable to be murdered. Basically, if it can be shown that he was still a threat when those rounds were hitting him, JVD can't be guilty. If it can be shown that he was already dead when those later rounds hit him, JVD can't be guilty. The only way he's guilty is if the offender no longer posed a threat and JVD continued to shoot him until he died. You can't do that.
Now for the two most important points:
1. You think the guy who didn't see an officer clearly being choked on the Grenshaw video, and stripped the officers involved, and visited with the offender and his family, is going to say the JVD shooting was justified? Not a fucking chance. You think the guy who's fucking one of the main cheaters in the lieutenant test scandal and hasn't done shit about that, except lie, is going to back JVD? You don't get to say an officer charged with murder did nothing wrong if you want to be superintendent of police in Chicago.
2. If someone is on PCP, running around with a knife, slashing at people and vehicles, and posing a deadly threat to officers and the general public, and you happen to be safe and secure inside your police vehicle, don't drive over to the guy, jump out in front of him, and unload your gun into him. It is completely idiotic, totally unsafe, and looks really bad on camera. If he's a deadly threat, stay in your vehicle, which provides protection from his knife. Use the vehicle to your advantage. What JVD did was stupid cowboy shit. There were no tactics involved, no sense used, and no situational awareness at all. I can think of about 10 different options for ending the threat of Laquan without jumping out of the car into his path. And we see where being an idiotic cowboy got JVD. Don't do stupid shit, especially on camera, even if you're technically justified in doing it.
racist!!!
IN THE KNOW said...
Until you get a REAL Superintendent for CPD, this "group" of people will continue to be a collection of Keystone Cops.
There needs to be leadership in CPD AND when you come down to it, the City itself.
8/22/2016 06:45:00 AM
Has anyone ever been satisfied with who was chosen for superintendent? It is a tough job where you are placed on the hot seat because of the political class and their maneuvering behind the scenes. You are hired to be fired four years later. You take your orders from the mayor who is influenced by a variety of sources; the church, the political class, financial contributors, ethnic leaders in various groups, organized crime ( some say this is true), organized labor, etc., etc. One of the reasons the city has always resisted having a certified police department, CALEA, is the fact the certification works overtime to keep politics out of the department. Look at the standards and it will become clear. Eddie will be around for a few years. Rahm is not about to be embarrassed now. It will not matter if his girlfriend is accused of cheating or it is verified he was at a meeting and saw the video, it will not matter, the media and the black alderman will not care, the mayor will not care and the public will not care. Holler all you want. No one is listening. That is politics in this town. People are indicted or fired because of politics and the court of public opinion. Heads have to roll, people have to be sacrificed. High up the food chain it goes depends on a lot of factors.
Fop.....some of us dont want to carry tasers. The anti police movement is even trying to crucify us if we tase a active resistor or above. Using a taser is investigated just like a shooting now. We dont want them. Let the college kids play with them. 19p
8/22/2016 12:54:00 AM
They can make you carry the taser, but they can't make you use it. There is no force situation that requires a taser. That being said, there are a lot of situations where a taser is the best option. Learn to use it as the effective tool that it is, and make sure you don't use it when you shouldn't. Using a taser is absolutely not investigated like a shooting though. Don't be a moron.
the cams r your friend! they incite issues!
If they all said the shooting was justified, then why was Van Dyke stripped 10 days later ?
8/22/2016 01:41:00 AM
If they didn't all say the shooting was justified, then why wasn't Van Dyke stripped immediately? It's obvious that the initial findings were that it was justified. Everyone who was in that meeting should be out on their ass before any PO or Sgt.
2 a day and we will b at 80 4 aug. Squad, how bout my 30 min?
Just remember, Johnson isn't firing anyone, it's all coming from the mayors office and Corp counsel, period...
8/22/2016 02:55:00 AM
Take it easy with the period there buddy. No one gets fired without Eddie being on board. Whether he agrees with the firings or not, he's part of it. Just because it's not his decision doesn't give him a free pass. He took the position. Let him take the responsibility.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Remember way back, when they kept telling us how the cameras were here to help us and that they would show the rest of the world how bad the bad guy is? Yeah, that was cute.
8/22/2016 06:52:00 AM
Except all the media wants to show is their edited versions..... the clips that are taken out of context to try and further their "the police are the problem" agenda.
...those rogue cops shooting model citizens!
Sure fire all the cops, who you gonna bring in? The head is rotten.
Jamaaaaaaal is gonna be maaaaad. "How you do me like this chief". "You sat there and did whaaaat". Eddie's cell is blowing up. Congrats on your promotion.
Here's the thing:
You can't have anyone close enough to the mayor get in trouble with this because that person could be used to testify against the mayor. The only person who likely had this access is McCarthy, so he's safe.
You also have to consider that no one then with access to McCarthy can go down for this because they would be able to take McCarthy down and he in turn could take the Mayor down if he was motivated properly. So essentially any exempt that was in that meeting is relatively safe from any repercussions.
Escalate was granted a nice job. Roy and McNaughton were allowed to retire (guarantee they will land on their feet with another connected job if they want it).
There has to be some collateral damage - anyone involved that was just victims of circumstance and as long as the trail ends with them, they are fair game. (i,e - blue shirts and a couple white shirts just to prove a point)
And Lightfoot thinks she is a reformer. Punish the nobodies. Let the same incompetence run the department and the city right into Detroit Part 2.
SCC you've got to see this one: http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Robbers-Trapped-Inside-Store-Passersby-Stare-Laugh-New-Jersey-390657971.html
Full video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1Svj5CrHL4
They don't fuck w bosses or those connected ever it's always the poor working street coppers who r the backbone to this fuckING dept but we r expendable u got coppers committing crimes doing horrible shit and they slide it's time for a fucking change
I got fired for domestic bullshit swearing at my x. Beat case. Cost me $10000 nn yrs later pending separation for operating a long standing family business while on medical $7500 n waiting 7 months no pay for decision
Dear SCC,
I am informing you that a Department of Revenue ticketer came in my Northside neighborhood and as we spoke he stated he was equipped with a small covert body camera which he showed me. To this individuals credit he thought it was BS and wrong for him to do that. He stated that they have been instructed to activate this device if a city worker tries to get out of a ticket, argues or intimidates them. Look like the good old City of Chicago is trying jam even more coppers and city workers! Be careful out there ladies and gentlemen and thank you SCC!
May of Us retired guys have pulled FOP membership watching the C.S er', Dean and company do zero for all you guys under fire everyday, NOTHING !! Demand that FOP will be history and get the pipe fitter' union to represent you all, no union but FOP !! I was a dick for years and before then always active on the street, not once did I ever call them knowing that they just don't give a fuck from Day ONE. Dineen and all those peasant past presidents of FOP cleaned up big time. That an insurance policy for legal representation. The slick lawyers they have could not beat a 10 over the limit speeding ticket with a broken Rader gun.
They are still some big ball guys 9161-9165 who could put this together and call for FOP to be out and gone. Just watch all the cash, bank accounts, and million $' of property get liquidated.
The teamsters know all the games played and Dean & company, past and present would shit a brick. The teamsters will audit those pricks and find all the
mis -spending. The G men like cases like this....not no b.s copper' beef.
The mail order PhD needs a slap. Worthless bum. Jimmy Hoffa Jr of the teamsters would do well taking you guys under their wings. They have cleaned up their act for years now. They would be picketing city hall and headquarters every day calling out Fat Ed and Rahm. Their NYC lawyer' do not play !!
Us retired guys love you street mutts and the shit you have to walk through. We got your back youngsters. Proud of all you street copper'. The rabid dogs on the street will also get a message when FOP, the hall and the alleged brass start shit in their pants.
What do you guys have to lose in this climate ????
God bless you hero' of the street.
I am sure that all that were in attendance to view the footage NEVER thought it would go beyond that room. McDonald was a ward of the State at the time of the shooting for the second time. Promise the family 5 million and make them agree to never push for the footage to be shown. If it wasn't for the FOI from that media person NONE of this would be happening now.
How can a reporter avoid bringing this up??
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I feel like protesting 9.5. I'm so sick of all this $h@+! In the next election I'm voting for anyone but him. I'll put up signs on my house and car for his opponent. This jag has to gooooooooooooo...........
8/22/2016 02:17:00 AM
You're just now feeling that way about that stroke??
A little slow on the uptake, huh?
Guilliford was the chief of patrol... Mcnaughton was area south dept chief, odonnell was 008 commander. Mcnaughton was also the street deputy that night.. So where is the story here about Johnson. I think at the time he was either still a Lt in area central or a newly made commander...
The greatest hypocrisy of all is that the media, BLM, etc. have been given multiple explosive scandals on a silver platter, any one of which could tear CPD and likely other departments asunder, yet they all go silent as soon as the next link in the chain of rolling heads is a well-connected Democrat or his immediate underling. Come to think of it, they piss and moan a lot about the evils of capitalism too, but don't have a problem with said well-connected Democrats' piles of graft money.
...Gullifird was Chief of Patrol. Eddie Johnson was DC of Patrol so he would be there too....
What's Gulliford doing now in retirement?? Knew him as a youngster in the Postal Interdiction Unit.
Who was the Chief of Patrol? Wayne Guiliford. The person starting the rumor should do his homework. Guiliford was announced at a police graduation on May 15th 2013 as the new chief of patrol. When this shooting for all of 2013 Johnson was the area central sat/gun team Lt. I dont think he made commander till 2015 and it wasnt of 008 or area central. The rumor isnt looking so good. Also, The shooting wasnt ruled "justified" by anyone, it was still under investigation. McCarthy and whoever else was present at this alleged meeting saw that it didnt look bad and immediatly stripped the officer. They dont have a round table like meeting anymore, they might discuss it but the final determination is made by three arms, IAD, IPRA and the Cook County States attorney... Thats it. McNaughton only summerized the initial findings from the detectives reports that night and wrote a summary of the summary of what happened and if the INITIAL INVESTIGATION. To my knowledge this case is STILL under investigation by the feds who have not even determined yet if it was justified or not. Im wondering when are they going to release their findings??? If they say it was justified will the state drop charges?
I know this is off topic but I thought you might want to weigh in. Presidential candidate Jill Stein wants to explore taking guns away from cops as a means of stopping all of these "racist" cop shootings. I grew up on the south side and know the turf. I'm thinking that despite the dedication of the vast majority of cops, that might just lead to a bit of a cop shortage across the country... what say you? And do you think a Friday or Saturday night ride-along in Chicago (or D.C. Detroit, South Central LA, etc) might change her perspective?
Who cares. She's the Green Party candidate. She's got a snowball's chance in Hell of after Hell freezes over and rethaws. She's never been elected as anything other than a town meeting seat (which she received 539 votes, so you know this is about 1 step ahead of classroom mom). Worry about Hillary.
Kass, Brown, Konkel..... any of you want to look into this and report on it??
SCC, here are some facts: Gulliford was on furlough and did not attend the original post shooting mission where all in attendance deemed the shooting justified. When he returned a day or two later he had a meeting with Roy, Eddie Johnson and several others to play catch up. After the video was played, each exempt in attendance was asked their opinion and each, including Eddie, stated this was a justified shooting. This is not hard to imagine since VD was not stripped until 10 days later, most likely after City Hall got involved. Ferguson is helping Rahm distract from the cover up by city hall of the video release until after both the general election and then the run off. CPD didn't cover up anything, IPRA had all the video. But now people aren't reporting on Rahm violating FOIA, or Eddie getting his girlfriends promoted, they are talking about a group of officers who just showed up to the scene of a pcp crazed knife wielding felon. Thank you for doing your part in getting the truth exposed.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This is so fucked up
Step down Eddie and give Waller the seat
Fuck that! Why would you wish that shit on Waller? The guy is a prince...he doesn't need to deal with this political bullshit. Even if he had all the answers - and I believe he would before anyone else - he would never be allowed to implement them.
"I don't know how much training has changed over the years. There was nothing I saw in that video to justify that shooting. There was a knife. There was a non compliant subject. There was no imminent threat. If he so much as turned around and stepped in the opposite direction...different ball game. If he had a projectile..If he was schooled in knife throwing..ok. It was a bad shoot guys."
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You need to take another real close look at the video. Pay real close attention to McDonald's path relative to the line on the street. Generally, his path is angling to the right across the line, and his path is mostly perpendicular to a line from McDonald over to JVD. He's not getting closer to JVD, but he's also not opening the distance either. But at least as long as he stays on that path he's not making a move towards JVD. But then he takes a single step, or he sways slightly, to the left, closer to the street line. Easy enough to see how JVD could interpret that variation in direction as the beginning of a move towards him. Consequently, he opens fire. IMO, the first X shots were justified. After that is what lawyers and the courts are for.
RUMOR
Next on the chopping block is all the ones who cheated on the Lt exam
SC, DL, EC, MW, NF, EW, PM, DB
SAADIA
DAVINA
ERIC
MS Wysinger
Nakia
Eddie
Patrina
Dion
Now whut
Call him Eddie "Hos before Bros!" Johnson.
You have to think about all the stuff the command staff has pulled over on the city and the rank and file
members.
Anonymous said...
Dear SCC,
I am informing you that a Department of Revenue ticketer came in my Northside neighborhood and as we spoke he stated he was equipped with a small covert body camera which he showed me. To this individuals credit he thought it was BS and wrong for him to do that. He stated that they have been instructed to activate this device if a city worker tries to get out of a ticket, argues or intimidates them. Look like the good old City of Chicago is trying jam even more coppers and city workers! Be careful out
The Dept. Of Revenue? LOL. Maybe they cleaned up their act, but at one time they were the most corrupt bunch of city employees of any department. They carried badges and many used that badge to carry a firearm. Their department was the one that was charged with enforcing ordinances against private social clubs and taverns. Ya,...right!!!! I did not trust them then and I sure don't trust them now.
14 YOA "Malik" was gunned down because of business as usual in the city council of Chicago made tinted windows legal and made street stops prohibited go figure Black Lives Matter! Your very own politicians sold you people out!
8/22/2016 12:21:00 AM
TEAMSTERS? Where is Jimmy Hoffa?
The process to decertify a union is a difficult and lengthy one and a mess. Look into the process and I think you would rather run a slate and vote the current union leaders out of office.
If the lodge does not push for him to resign after a no confidence vote in him and Rahm,
Dean Wormer said you'll get your chance smart guy.
Union is actually playing this one smart they have bankrupted other FOP lodges with continual harassment and violations of due process. Fuck these minor battles lets win the war. They would be fools to jump up and bitch every time Some BLM nitwit told a lie! This whole movement is built like house of cards/ created and funded by Comrade George SOROS so Hillary can win the election it will fall apart' Its based on myths and fairy tales'
Protect yourself!! Do the best you can for the tax payers and wait it out
FUCK RAHM AND ALL HIS COMMIE CRONIES will be gone soon enough
Anonymous said...
Wait until every single one of them gets called as witnesses in the police board hearing and gets asked under oath if they thought the shooting was unjustified. Remember you are obligated to take action and at the very least pull a Cr. But a number was never pulled and VD wasn't stripped until 10 days later at Ando's request. The truth will come out and it might just cost EJ his job. EJ should never have tried scapegoating these coppers to protect the Mayor and Patton from withholding the video. Patton told EJ to fire everyone and EJ was too stupid not to realize it was going to come back and haunt him.
8/22/2016 12:56:00 AM
I am not sure that it matters in the long run. Exempts will tell you that the orders and rules are orders and rules for you and guidelines for them. The issue here is any written or oral statements made that contradict the video. I don't think most of the exempts made any oral or written statements. The ones who saw the video and read the reports and signed off on them as policy would have a problem.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Somewhat OT but not really WE NEED TO GET A BENEFIT GOING FOR THESE OFFICERS ASAP
Yes make this a thread scc please
Eddie Welch da third for next supe!
I came on this job in 1990. All I can say is it sure went downhill and downhill quickly! Used to be a pretty good job with great people and bosses. Now it's the complete opposite except for a handful of sergeants who are still on the job that got on young. Total different atmosphere today. What a shame.
A vote for Clinton is a vote for Rahm......
Hey Dean Wormer...and the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Kass, Brown, Konkel..... any of you want to look into this and report on it??
8/22/2016 09:11:00 PM
Not Kass.
He's preoccupied with his tomato crop.
Obsessively preoccupied with tomatoes.
8/22/2016 02:56:00 AM
Blogger I Fart In Your General Direction said...
If this is true, why hasn't Garry McDrinkypoo mentioned it yet? He's been crying foul about being fired to anyone who'll entertain the thought of even interviewing him, yet I haven't heard him mention a word of this. I know why he's kept his pie hole shut...
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He's not talking under advice of counsel. He's being deposed in several cases including McDonald.
If tiny dancer fires Ed then he will surely appoint Staples. She has bragged since his intention to become mayor that she was connected to him. She is part of all that is wrong here and is another Petersen disciple, just like Johnson, Andrews, Walsh, Wojick, Pallohusky, and Cerone. Can't any of you connect the d o ts. This group have all been fired...resigned under major investigations opened to the public or given a year suspension. She is part of this cover up crew for personal promotions...
8/22/2016 09:19:00 AM
I know all three of them and was in the room when Staples was introduced to Rahm in the presence of McCarthy. Rahm ignored Garry to talk with her for the rest of the event. This is why Garry always went out of his way to try and humiliate her at Compstat and why she was not promoted by him.
The rest of the allegations/connections I know nothing about. But I do know for a fact that Rahm likes Staples and wouldn't mind being the first big city Mayor to appoint a member of the LGBTQ community as Supt of Police.
-- Civilian who respects the police
During the Laquan shooting Rahm was in a run-off, therefore Rahm and Anita made the choice to cover it up until after the run-off. Rahm used Ja'mal Green who was on his payroll to help pull him out of the run-off, and later reneged on his promises to Green. After the release of the Laquan video Green realized he had sold his people out and that Rahm had covered up the shooting of a young Black man. Therefore, Green used Laquan's death and protest to get back at Rahm. Rahm is indebt to Green and refuses to pay up. The cover up is far beyond the CPD.
All of this because some scumbag piece of $hit was shot and killed! He deserved what he got! Look at the big picture this piece of $hit was not a productive member of society or he wouldn't have been running around on the street at night with a knife! That cop did society a favor! There was less backlash and commotion when Jesus Christ was crucified.
Use the vehicle to your advantage. What JVD did was stupid cowboy shit. There were no tactics involved, no sense used, and no situational awareness at all. I can think of about 10 different options for ending the threat of Laquan without jumping out of the car into his path. And we see where being an idiotic cowboy got JVD. Don't do stupid shit, especially on camera, even if you're technically justified in doing it.
8/22/2016 04:34:00 PM
We are not supposed to run and hide behind our cars. We are paid to act. If the officer hid behind his car like a coward, he would still be employed like so many dogs that don't work.
He chose to act. A deranged drug addled, knife wielding assailant that had already attacked officers was heading toward a populated area. Had the officer put himself in front of the assailant, fellow officers would be behind the assailant and in the line of fire. The officer was put in these circumstances circumstances and acted. THAT is all I know from the video I have seen.
I stand with the officer, not the gang banging criminal. Thank you officer for your service. Good luck.
.....I am sure that all that were in attendance to view the footage NEVER thought it would go beyond that room......
They knew the footage would go beyond the room, but based on past experience figured they were untouchable, especially if they all stuck together and were playing nice with Mayor.
Just a quick question; is there a rule or law dealing this deadly force that states, how many shots you are legally aloud to use to end the threat.
You need to take another real close look at the video. Pay real close attention to McDonald's path relative to the line on the street. Generally, his path is angling to the right across the line, and his path is mostly perpendicular to a line from McDonald over to JVD. He's not getting closer to JVD, but he's also not opening the distance either. But at least as long as he stays on that path he's not making a move towards JVD. But then he takes a single step, or he sways slightly, to the left, closer to the street line. Easy enough to see how JVD could interpret that variation in direction as the beginning of a move towards him. Consequently, he opens fire. IMO, the first X shots were justified. After that is what lawyers and the courts are for.
8/22/2016 09:32:00 PM
You hit the nail on the head. Been saying the same thing since day one of video release. only he is more then non compliant, He is threatening. he waives the knife to display it. Hikes up his pants to have a more free range of motion, begins to bounce of his toes as if he is preparing to box, he is taking a circular route moving from North-East to North trying to flank JVD. Now add stress anxiety that have built up from an emergency response ride that JVD has no control. no steering wheel to hold on to, no brakes to slow, Gas pedal to push. He jumps out and there it happens, knife displayed, Gun drawn, options closed, watching as all signs of an attack are displayed and imminent. 8 -12 feet is my guess of the distance between himself and the OFFENDER. THE PIVOT BEGINS AND JVD SHOOTS. How many shots, us wrong in my opinion from the safety of a computer screen playing a video. But the question should be when did JVD FEEL THE THREAT WAS GONE. Every officer there is farther away with different vantage points and different perspectives and adrenaline running thru them. there is a big difference sitting in a car as a passenger vs being the driver. The driver has control to start stop and turn. The steering wheel in both hands allows the drivers something to hold onto to accommodate all the vehicles movements. The passenger has to sit and shifting their body weight with nothing to help them do it.
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If the news runs this story (which they will shortly) EJ is screwed.
Yet you guys still run and gun not to lose your 0700 hrs start on days. Or God forbid they bounce you off of your precious beat car. Coppers still sign up for VRI and work OT. Why? At this point in the game I feel like coppers are getting what they know is coming if they are out there doing shit.
The McDonald case is a whole nother situation but with the Paul O'Neal shooting all I want to say is "Why?" Who gives a rat's ass especially when it ain't yo car? I was talking to a copper at Unit 376 yesterday. 20 years on and caught up in the McDonald situation and may lose his job and has no clue what to do next. My heart goes out to him as he was a victim in this whole mess and was not going above or beyond.
My advice is to start a side business with something else outside of LEO to fallback on. Too many of you guys/gals put all your apples in the city's basket. Plan guys for something else. I started my biz 15 years ago and I'm done next year at age 49. 20 years and out. Why? Because I planned for just what's happening now. So many of you have no clue what you're doing in 20 years. Plan guys. Make a plan and stick to it. Consider this a stepping stone until you are out the door.
I know I speak to deaf ears most of the time. Like preaching to an empty church.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"I don't know how much training has changed over the years. There was nothing I saw in that video to justify that shooting. There was a knife. There was a non compliant subject. There was no imminent threat. If he so much as turned around and stepped in the opposite direction...different ball game. If he had a projectile..If he was schooled in knife throwing..ok. It was a bad shoot guys."
And how exactly did Van Dyke have knowledge that he wasn't schooled in knife throwing?
FOP ,PBPA file FOIA for all paper work on every Sgt to command staff , who and what was said in reports for every merit promotion.
Some have trouble reading , cannot write a report and make six figures .
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Somewhat OT but not really WE NEED TO GET A BENEFIT GOING FOR THESE OFFICERS ASAP
Yes make this a thread scc please
8/22/2016 11:10:00 PM
You're really fucking stupid aren't you.
"SCC get a benefit thread going so the media go show up along with a few hundred protesters to identify and name the stripped officers. Maybe sneak inside and report what the take was, then follow them home, for a follow up by Dave Savini asking what they are going to do with the $X,XXX from the benefit. Oh and by the way Dave will sure to ask if you will report it as income." Sounds like a great idea.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Somewhat OT but not really WE NEED TO GET A BENEFIT GOING FOR THESE OFFICERS ASAP
Yes make this a thread scc please
8/22/2016 11:10:00 PM
Many unions have emergency funds available for instances just like this. Why doesn't FOP? Even if they're just open-ended no-interest loans, assistance should be available and it should be administered at no cost by the union.
Gene Roy is a copper's cop.
Eddie Welch da third for next supe!
8/22/2016 11:53:00 PM
It's Eddie the Turd in name and reputation. Get it right.
We are not supposed to run and hide behind our cars. We are paid to act. If the officer hid behind his car like a coward, he would still be employed like so many dogs that don't work.
He chose to act. A deranged drug addled, knife wielding assailant that had already attacked officers was heading toward a populated area. Had the officer put himself in front of the assailant, fellow officers would be behind the assailant and in the line of fire. The officer was put in these circumstances circumstances and acted. THAT is all I know from the video I have seen.
I stand with the officer, not the gang banging criminal. Thank you officer for your service. Good luck.
8/23/2016 05:48:00 AM
You don't have to run and hide behind your car when you're inside the car. We're paid to act, but there's no reason to jump out of your car in front of a knife-wielding, drug-crazed offender on a rampage when he's in the middle of the street. Corral him with a few cars. Hit him with a car. Hit him with the car door. Shoot from inside the car. Jumping into his path is not heroic or smart or "being the real police." Is just fucking stupid and dangerous. It's the absolute dumbest option for stopping the threat posed by laquan. There were a bunch of other cops on the scene that night. None of them decided to drive right up to laquan and jump into his path and start shooting. Were they all being cowards? Are they not the police? JVD made a stupid decision so that his only option was to shoot. His stupid decision caused a whole shitload of problems we're all now dealing with. If you think what he did was the best option or the only option, you're a brainless moron who will likely end up getting yourself or someone else jammed up in the future. Ask anyone who knows anything about how to confront an assailant armed with a knife while you're safely tucked away inside an SUV. None of them will suggest you jump out of the vehicle into the path of the guy with the knife. If he's heading for a playground full of innocent children and your vehicle suddenly dies, maybe then you jump into his path and put him down. As long as your vehicle works and he's walking in the middle of a street, use your vehicle to control him or take him out. If deadly force with a gun is justified, you damn sure can hit him with a vehicle. They don't teach that at the range, but it works. Use your brain to be safer, cowboy. Or get a good lawyer and a nice suit for TV.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Use the vehicle to your advantage. What JVD did was stupid cowboy shit. There were no tactics involved, no sense used, and no situational awareness at all. I can think of about 10 different options for ending the threat of Laquan without jumping out of the car into his path. And we see where being an idiotic cowboy got JVD. Don't do stupid shit, especially on camera, even if you're technically justified in doing it.
8/22/2016 04:34:00 PM
We are not supposed to run and hide behind our cars. We are paid to act. If the officer hid behind his car like a coward, he would still be employed like so many dogs that don't work.
He chose to act. A deranged drug addled, knife wielding assailant that had already attacked officers was heading toward a populated area. Had the officer put himself in front of the assailant, fellow officers would be behind the assailant and in the line of fire. The officer was put in these circumstances circumstances and acted. THAT is all I know from the video I have seen.
I stand with the officer, not the gang banging criminal. Thank you officer for your service. Good luck.
8/23/2016 05:48:00 AM
Nobody said to "hide behind the car", the idea is to use the vehicle as tool to knock the armed offender to the ground and then allow a safe approach and the ability to take the offender into custody with no harm.
Anonymous said...
Yet you guys still run and gun not to lose your 0700 hrs start on days. Or God forbid they bounce you off of your precious beat car. Coppers still sign up for VRI and work OT. Why? At this point in the game I feel like coppers are getting what they know is coming if they are out there doing shit.
The McDonald case is a whole nother situation but with the Paul O'Neal shooting all I want to say is "Why?" Who gives a rat's ass especially when it ain't yo car? I was talking to a copper at Unit 376 yesterday. 20 years on and caught up in the McDonald situation and may lose his job and has no clue what to do next. My heart goes out to him as he was a victim in this whole mess and was not going above or beyond.
My advice is to start a side business with something else outside of LEO to fallback on. Too many of you guys/gals put all your apples in the city's basket. Plan guys for something else. I started my biz 15 years ago and I'm done next year at age 49. 20 years and out. Why? Because I planned for just what's happening now. So many of you have no clue what you're doing in 20 years. Plan guys. Make a plan and stick to it. Consider this a stepping stone until you are out the door.
I know I speak to deaf ears most of the time. Like preaching to an empty church.
8/23/2016 09:57:00 AM
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I am right behind you. I have two other professions that I have lined up. Both require licensing and advanced degrees. My degrees are not from the diploma mills. I am thinking about lining up another option. I have time to pull it off. You have to have a plan. What are you going to do if you get fired tomorrow? I have more than two options available. Two require licensing.
By the way, be sure to thank the union for acquiescing to a 25% tuition reimbursement cut.
Anonymous said...
Gene Roy is a copper's cop.
8/23/2016 12:57:00 PM
This has to be Gene writing. I worked in 021, 009 and the area when this idiot was there. He is an A--H--- of the highest order. He puts incompetents in positions and says its OK. I will be addressing this scum bag shortly in person.
The attorneys for these officers better start demanding transparency and lists of who was there and what was said. Gee hopefully karma will work here too.
Anonymous said...
If tiny dancer fires Ed then he will surely appoint Staples. She has bragged since his intention to become mayor that she was connected to him. She is part of all that is wrong here and is another Petersen disciple, just like Johnson, Andrews, Walsh, Wojick, Pallohusky, and Cerone. Can't any of you connect the d o ts. This group have all been fired...resigned under major investigations opened to the public or given a year suspension. She is part of this cover up crew for personal promotions...
8/22/2016 09:19:00 AM
I know all three of them and was in the room when Staples was introduced to Rahm in the presence of McCarthy. Rahm ignored Garry to talk with her for the rest of the event. This is why Garry always went out of his way to try and humiliate her at Compstat and why she was not promoted by him.
The rest of the allegations/connections I know nothing about. But I do know for a fact that Rahm likes Staples and wouldn't mind being the first big city Mayor to appoint a member of the LGBTQ community as Supt of Police.
-- Civilian who respects the police
8/23/2016 02:52:00 AM
If Rahm appoints Staples he'll be appointing her on the basis of her sexual orientation and not on her actual merit. She was useless in AFU. Just what we need, another overrated political tool to lead us. I guess we should be used to it by now. Her sycophants are salivating already.
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