Sunday, August 07, 2016

Video Review (UPDATE)

We've been seeing a bit of criticism in the comment sections, ripping coppers for "Monday morning quarterbacking" and "you weren't there..." and everything in between. This isn't 1970 any more. This isn't the 80's or the 90's. This isn't even the 00's when personal cell phone cameras were just coming into widespread usage. This is 2016, and in-car cameras along with body-worn cameras are fast becoming the norm along with every single person on the street with a digital photo studio at their fingertips.

Policing is under a harsh spotlight and police work, especial hands-on police work, isn't pretty. But a even-handed, unemotional critique of the actions captured on video can be a benefit. It can educate the public, media and our critics. If the only voice being heard is the voice of the assholes shutting down reasoned discourse, then we are going to be backed into a corner that there is no coming out from. Some here feel we're already at that point. Reasonable men and women can disagree as to how far gone it is. And sometimes that involves taking a look inward.

That being said, we have a series of posts to address the videos over the next few days. And the first one is to rebut some of the more outrageous "sanctification" promulgated by the media and the protestors. We want to take you back in time to 03 August, to the Naperville Sun newspaper:
  • Naperville and Bolingbrook police are investigating a possible link between two incidents of multiple vehicle thefts that occurred within two days of one another, and in which one suspect was later shot to death by Chicago police.

    Five vehicles were stolen during the early-morning hours of July 26 in Naperville, while four were taken around 3 a.m. July 28 in Bolingbrook, authorities in both communities confirmed. Additionally, more than 30 vehicles were burglarized that same morning in Naperville.

    A suspect in the Bolingbrook thefts, 18-year-old Paul O'Neal, of Chicago, was fatally shot by police around 7:30 p.m. July 28 behind a house in the 7300 block of South Merrill Avenue in Chicago.

    Bolingbrook police Lt. Carter Larry on Wednesday said O'Neal was "clearly seen on video" at a service station where six suspects regrouped following the thefts in that village.
This is the "hero" of the media and "community" narrative - a car thief and a credit card thief. Does anyone know what his record looks like? And why is it all of these "heroes" seem to have social media pages with them holding guns?


And the early onset arthritis - we forgot about that.

Then there's the family, weeping, saying "He had goals." Um, what goals? Stealing a Bugatti maybe? Ferrari? How about a Lamborghini? Unfortunately, he'll always be remembered as only achieving a Jaguar. How sad.

Here's the thing - all of this, every single bit of it, could have been avoided if he didn't take something that didn't belong to him. Blame is on the parent(s), family, whomever - someone didn't install a moral compass on this thief and in the process, set him on the road to destruction, taking who knows how many others with him.

And there were plenty of opportunities to stop him - his first arrest, his second, the judge(s) who gave him how many additional chances, the parent who didn't better monitor his associations, maybe a clergy person, a social worker, the list is endless. But the cops are going to take the final hit because all of these other misses led to:
  • Theft of Auto
  • PSMV
  • Aggravated Assault (with the auto)
  • Aggravated Battery (with the same auto)
If he had survived, how many felonies is that right there? All committed in the span of sixteen hours? Let's not lose sight of that, even though the media and story-tellers already have. He began, continued and ended with bad decisions he made, all on his own.

More tomorrow.

UPDATE: More today actually - we're finally hearing reports that this wasn't the first time 004 saw and called out this vehicle. In fact, 004 had stopped and approached the vehicle on other occasions during the day and the car thief waited, and then accelerated away from them each time. He was playing a stupid ghetto game because (we assume) he knew CPD wouldn't chase for more than a block or two before being called off. And he returned to the general area where he was spotted, knowing that the police were looking for the specific car he was driving to do it again. And again.

Guess what? Every time you do something stupid, the odds shorten. Ask any insurance company. Ask an actuary. Ask any gambler. Eventually, the odds approach 1-to-1....and you are going to hit something, hit someone, get caught.

And this just reinforces everything we posted above - the person initially and solely responsible for everything that followed, is the car thief.

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162 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice photo of O'Neal graduating from grammar school.

8/07/2016 12:15:00 AM  
Blogger Frustrated 50 said...

It's a wonder how this young lad was even able to drive a car with such severe arthritis in his hands.

8/07/2016 12:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In an earlier thread, someone mentioned that FOP should oversee training. Well, they used to, and when the Dept introduced the PPO foot posts, a grievance was filed. Dean then was elected and his buddy and cousin in MLAS had Dean withdraw it. FTOs also had two to three recruits with them. Blame yourselves for electing this guy, you have no one to blame but yourselves. One thing we can agree on is that the old FOP always kept training in check.

8/07/2016 12:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT....
Anonymous said...
Northwestern Hospital wants the police in uniform to relinquish their weapons in order to visit a patient. The security will follow you wherever you go. Mind you, they don't search the bangers or anyone else. The brass all know about this. Why wont they changed this foolish rule???
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Several years ago Northwestern tried this, the chief of dicks at the time Phil Cline called and straightened them out!!!!!! ON DUTY POLICE DONT SURRENDER WEAPONS unless it's the mental wing.

8/07/2016 12:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It goes kinda like this SCC...

>Ahem<

"We're black.
We're an oppressed minority due to America's un-reconciled,
un-repented and UN-COMPENSATED legacy of slavery, lynching
and mistreatment.

Because of that legacy, we reserve the right to form
maurauding gangs to take those shiny, sparkly things
that belong to others.

We will bully, browbeat, threaten civil unrest and violence
if we don't get our way.

We will act in collusion with those who seek to turn
society on it's ear and undermine all of YOUR meaningful
institutions. Even the very rules of law, decency and civility.

We will avoid all responsibility for our actions.
Your so called consequences will mean nothing to us.
We will exercise no restraint, no impulse control,
no civility and no introspection and insight..."

Funny...
They grind axes to butter-knives at The Police and by extension,
the rest of society while turning an intentionally blind eye to
the ongoing ritual sacrifices that keeps the morgue attendants
jumping like brightly clad sentinels on post in bandit country.

Give them what they want.

"For Us, By Us...
All the rest of you, get to the back of the line."

8/07/2016 12:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How many other cars did they steal that night?

Didn't they abandon one when they picked up the Jag?

8/07/2016 12:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Slightly OT, But for the 2nd night I have watched "protesters" at the CPD station on S Mich. Why in the world are they allowed to get inches from a PO screaming and (no doubt) spitting? The black cop in the polo shirt was more than worthless as the ex-marine dude threatened and generally abused the bike cops forming a line on the front porch for nearly 2 hours.

This nonsense ended when a Union rep showed up. They placed wooden barricades across the porch, let the cops go inside, and miraculously, the aggrieved citizens left.

Here is the video https://www.periscope.tv/w/1mnxekvkXWWGX

BC

8/07/2016 12:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not a cop, but an avid supporter of CPD. Just wondering what PSMV stands for?

These screwball politicians need to grow a pair and start backing the police. Sick of these thugs and idiots being paraded around like their heroes.

If he had dreams, he should have been doing something productive rather than engaging in auto theft.

8/07/2016 01:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'll bet he did not have auto insurance either.

8/07/2016 01:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Should they've been making such efforts responding to this in today's world? No. Should the chase have been initiated? No. Should they have attempted to block the car? No. Should the passenger PO have had his gun out? No. Should the driving PO have gotten out? No. Should the PO have shot? No. Should he have continued shooting? No. What was the bigger threat to the life of the PO? The shitbird and the car or his partner? I know I would rather have someone come close to hitting me with a car than someone come close to shooting me. Should any of those cameras been on after the incident concluded? No. Finally, should anyone outside the OIC have been talking to the PO's who shot/the PO's who did shoot talk to anyone? No. Picking apart fuck ups like this is how we learn. What could've been done better? Saying how we should support the PO's involved is missing the point completely. Watch the videos. Tear them apart. Second by second. Because the worst thing that could happen as a result of this is to learn nothing at all.

8/07/2016 01:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Paul Kersey said...

All that you have dug up, which can be said is commendable, does not negate the fact that this "felon" has already been "Travonitized" into a victim.

Don't count on your story to be painted and hyped across the 6 o'clock news.



8/07/2016 01:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Not Barney Fife said...

Disgusting - but not surprising.

8/07/2016 02:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great job SCC. Lame stream media will not say any of that

8/07/2016 02:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CPD is not training officers in what they need the most: scenario based simunition or live fire use of force training.
Stop with the LIMAR tourniquets. You are not state certified paramedics trained to render medical first aid for trauma. They are for last resort if you or your partner is in a do or die situation. Your little attaboy from media will turn into a "this guy has no medical training at all" when your first aid efforts on a civilian go wrong.
Stop with the CIT. You are not Dr. Phil. You are not a psychologist. Hands off in all mental situations unless great bodily harm/death is imminent.
Stop with the delta force vests, tactical lights on glocks, wannabe ranger gear. If you want to be a soldier go to your nearest recruiting center.
Learn when it is legal and justified to use force and what force is appropriate for what situations.
Be aware your actions are always open to examination through your own cellphone, squad car gps, in car camera & mic, and body camera. Whether you're scrutinized over use of force in a shooting or getting a cup of coffee, there exists a virtual record of your whereabouts, speed, texts, and cellphone calls every day. Years from now if necessary someone will be able to tell you what you did at work, who you called, and how fast you were driving on any given day of your career.
Exercise self awareness. Every stop has the potential of being seen worldwide by millions. Think about what you do and say at work. You are under the mother of all electron microscopes today and this big brother world is here to stay.
Think about what you should do in high pressure situations. Have a plan for some of the more common police situations we encounter, like foot and vehicle chases and shots fired/man with a gun calls. All this will help lower the adrenaline dump when things get hairy on the street.
Most of all, recognize the environment in which we work. Supervisors are demanding isrs and activity at a time when IPRA, ACLU, DOJ, CCSAO, BLM, and all forms of media are actively looking to condemn, antagonize, and imprison police officers. The department is not concerned with your well being. It's up to you to look out for yourself and your fellow copper.

8/07/2016 02:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To be fair, O'Neal isn't the one 'holding the gun' in the picture to the right, although he has no business being in a photo at all in which one of his pals clearly is.
True enough, he was on a direct path to jail, or to a slab in the morgue. Clearly, his parents either were clueless as to what he was doing out in the streets, didn't care, or possibly had done all they could to keep him on the straight and narrow, without success. We all know parents like this among our own police family, it's sad to say. Sometimes, some of us bring people into this world that the world is much better off without; it happens to people with the best of plans and intentions for their kids.
Having said that, we know in our business that we deal with shitheads; it's why we do what we do, why we run to the sound of trouble when most others will back away.
It's just as troubling to see video which clearly shows that some of us have obviously received very poor training of when deadly force should be used, and when it shouldn't. Viewing those numerous videos from this current debacle, it's clear that there are failures on our end that are very apparent: Poorly trained and disciplined young officers. But it's not just on them; this started in their academy training, and afterwards, in whatever passed for their field training as well. I have no doubt that we are going to see a complete overhaul regarding our recruit training programs occurring in the very near future. Judging from the videos we have now had to lay witness to, it cannot come soon enough.

8/07/2016 02:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Father Rich said...

good start. Its about time somebody starts looking at the criminal WHO CAUSED this whole thing. Even the coppers on this site are trying to bash other coppers saying how they caused this whole mess by their tactics and shooting etc. Lets not forget, the only person who set this entire thing into motion is Paul Oneil. Nobody else. Cant believe how even coppers are jumping on the bandwagon of BLM and the media about how wrong the police are and critiquing every single move these three coppers made. give me a break. Most of the guys commenting here should drop the cpd and become civil lawyers because thats what they are acting like. Finally somebody(Scc) is calling out the person who deserves to be called out and its Paul Oneil. Thanks Scc, and to the rest of the people on this site who are on this department shame on all of you. Im sure the kids who are at home who were involved in this with an unknown future really appreciate your second guessing, critiquing and negative/hateful comments. I hope one day you step in it and make a wrong decision and have people call you out on everything youve done and tell you how wrong you are. Im sure you and YOUR FAMILY will really appreciate it. For Gods sake, you dont have to approve of how they handled it but you sure as hell should try to give them some sort of support or piece of mind, believe me these kids need it and they know that this shooting did not go well. You have the kid who shot him almost crying praying that the kid lives and nothing happens to him. Thats a kid who was caught up in the situation, was confused with adrenaline pumping and thought something else was happening in this situation.. he had to make a quick decision and has to live with it but you experts want to bash them. I know you are all "fetal" but even showing up on a domestic, a noise disturbance, a traffic crash or a neighbor dispute can end up in a shoot out. Dont think because you are fetal that nothing bad can happen because you know as good as I do thats where it all happens. You sometimes dont ask to be put in a situation the 911 call and YOUR job thats assigned to you puts you in that situation. I certainly hope you dont make one single mistake. And if somebody decides to up a pistol on you during your domestic or disturbance call I hope you stay 100 percent calm, draw your weapon tactically and keep a square shooting posture and calmly deliver several shots center mass while easily terminating the threat. Thanks Scc for calling out the guy who needs to be called out and I hope to God one of your posts can get everyones heads out of the gutter that these kids although may have not made the best decision still need support because NOBODY is giving them any support at all. They need to see it in a public forum somewhere that somebody is supporting them... because so far in the comments here its not happening.

8/07/2016 02:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Paul Oneil was playing a game. He was spotted and a stop was attempted in this Jaguar several times in 004 throughout the day. You see, to many kids its a game now of "running from the police". Maybe too much playing of grand theft auto or something as a kid. But let me ask you a question. Cars from 4 were spotting and loosing this guy numerous times throughout the day. He kept coming back to the same area after the police lost him. Why would he do that??? He wasnt trying to get away obviously. If he just wanted to evade arrest he would have pulled over as soon as he lost the police and bailed from the car or kept heading away from the area the police had just seen him. He was close to his home where the cars had spotted him earlier in the day and tried to stop him and lost him so he wasnt far from home. Why come back?? why continue to drive in the area where the cops had just spotted him and tried to stop him unsuccessfully? Because he was playing a game. He was purposely trying to get chased. Its fun for kids now to get into police chases because they know that they get terminated after a minute or two. They know if they hit the expressway or just keep going long enough or get going fast enough the police will shut it down and they get away. There are so many more car chases now a days than there use to be. There are cars taking off all the time, not stopping etc. So its just a theory but why was Paul Oneil continually re-entering the same area where the police had just lost sight of him moments earlier? Why not just get away, park the car and leave it? It was a "game" to him and a thrill to get in a chase, that all it was. Dont say its not true because we all know that they have fun in these chases. Especially if you get a Juvy in a hot car, they are always smiling, laughing and talking about how "good they were driving" before the police caught them.

8/07/2016 02:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/police-supt-people-have-right-to-be-upset-by-police-shooting/

8/07/2016 03:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All the Media keep talking about how the Officers violated Department policy and should therefore be fired and sent to prison. Can anyone explain to me why this Department Policy DOES NOT conform to State Law ?

8/07/2016 04:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You won't see main stream media printing this - the truth!

8/07/2016 05:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Deuce you have one of the most respected law enforcement blogs on the www. You are correct in stating the obvious. The deceased defendant was indeed a man with with prior convictions under his belt. He was no angel at all. All of that does not erase the fact that the first copper who fired his pistol acted recklessly and in a manner that was in contravention to general orders and inconsistent with CPD training doctrine. Worse he was filmed and his actions unfortunately are going to make every law enforcement officers job a lot more dangerous. When I first came on the job in June 1986 this shooting would have been justified. It's a new day and age and we have got to realize that we urgently have adapt with the times. I personally believe Eddie Johnson was correct in not getting into a videotaped dust up with a 17 year "activist". We need a smart Superintendant. Not a ballsy warrior chieftain but a wise and visionary leader who is capable of providing 21 st century leadership to guardians. I am a south side revolver carrying blue shirt who cringes when I see the young bucks running around looking Marine SpecWar operators. We need guys and gals who can out think these cretins and hood rats. Two Pistol Pete is dead and has been replaced by young sage leaders like like Fred Waller. Be careful out there guys and gals.

8/07/2016 05:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BRAVO SCC simply stated BRAVO....

8/07/2016 05:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My sentiments exactly SCC. The police are FORCED to deal with these future brain surgeons in a fluid situation in which they cannot make ANY mistakes. Why anyone wants to this job anymore is beyond me.

8/07/2016 05:57:00 AM  
Anonymous 11th Dist King said...

To all the asinine officers who have worked 20 plus years without going to a grand jury, special grand jury, never been in a shooting, never had to testify, never needed a brother in blue to save your ass, and so on, STOP CRITIQUING. You guys have no idea what its like to be involved in a split second decision. Go back to starbucks get your latte and read your paper.

I am sick of hearing officers saying shit about these officers. We are supposed to be a group of one, but the city has us divided. They did what they did, and they were doing their jobs. One last thing. If this asshole would have stopped, none of this would have happened. Could there be things learned from the video, YES, were you there, NO.

8/07/2016 06:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dude had plans. He was gonna work for The Lectric Company. I didn't know it was that easy to get hired on at Edison. It would be a perfect way to stake out homes to burglarize while reading meters. Maybe in school they need to add some sort of obey the law if you want to succeed in the curriculum. Obviously it's not being taufht at home.

8/07/2016 06:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

im not a police officer, but i fully support the police 100%

there was a lot of confusion going on. police saying shots fired on their radios.

responding units not knowing WTF is going on.

you hit the nail on the head, if the guy didn't STEAL a car in the first place, he might have lived a while longer.

great job officers!!!

8/07/2016 06:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ladies and gents. Please lets see more commentary like this and less critique of our own. Please let us examine the root cause of the whole situation which is well documented. Even my liberal neighbor said he he wouldnt be dead if he didnt dteal the car. I had to ssk him to repeat.

8/07/2016 07:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And in other news:

Clinton Chooses Black Lives Matter Over Law Enforcement Support

Kerry Picket
Reporter
2:28 PM 08/06/2016


Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton pursued the endorsement of Black Lives Matter activists but blew off the largest police union in the United States.

After almost a year of meeting with Black Lives Matter representatives, Clinton failed to garner the support of the movement’s co-founder Alicia Garza, but she managed to receive the endorsement of mothers championed by the Black Lives Matter movement.

Garza recently slammed Clinton, saying the former secretary of state only “uses black people for votes” and “photo ops,” but doesn’t “do anything for black communities” after getting elected.

Nevertheless the Clinton-Kaine campaign touts the support she received during the Democratic National Convention from mothers of the Black Lives Matter movement.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/06/clinton-chooses-black-lives-matter-over-law-enforcement-support/

8/07/2016 07:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's funny how the 'grieving family' is always media-coached/lawyer-coached. Through their 'anguish,' they're always there to stress the fact that the deceased 'had goals' and was 'going to start school in the Fall to learn a trade.' Individual wasn't an useless thug who spend his midnight hours smokin' dope, using stolen credit cards & stealing high-end cars - that's all a misunderstanding. Just wanting for our soon-to-be-voted-out Mayor to telephone the family and offer his prayers (with his press team nearby to get the message out to the 'community' that this wanting-to-be-a-Mayor-for-a-3rd-term is with the people & needs their support down the line.

8/07/2016 07:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC, your comments about changing times was right on the money. The kids are a product of their generation, torn between social media and the new "big brother," cameras everywhere. They never learned to keep their mouths shut, as in "nobody ever got in trouble for talking too little."

Nobody wants to be an automaton, but that's the way to survive in the modern police world.

I'm so glad I retired intact after 32 years. I wouldn't take the job today, even though the money is better.

8/07/2016 07:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Noticed that Johnson has had to deal with this current fiasco all by himself. Where is Escalante? Did he get that job at NEIU?

8/07/2016 07:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The thing that bothers me most if the POS mouthpiece attorney hired by the family who stands in front of the camera using words such as execution. Talk about inciting violence, it is a shame that they can go on camera and spew whatever venom they want before the facts are even in, yet the police have to sit there and be silent. I'm sure he doesn't live or gives a crap what goes on in the hood, but he and his counterparts have made a cottage industry of bringing false accusations in order to justify their 40% settlement fee. The media is no better showing the "suspected" car thief in his graduation gown as if he was going to do something productive with his life. Much like the one who was going to be an engineer according to his family, except for the fact he only attended school one day his senior year and had a gang tattoo across his neck.

8/07/2016 07:35:00 AM  
Blogger The Keesing Bandit said...

It's the mantra of the Obamanation. It's never your fault. Blame someone else.

8/07/2016 07:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Still waiting for all these protesters in front of HQ to march down to Englewood,and educate their own.

8/07/2016 07:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The media,politicians and community activist present these criminals as victims.Information like this is not getting to the Public. The FOP or someone needs to hold press conferences to counter the one sided anti police reporting that we getting now

8/07/2016 07:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Personal accountability, responsibility?....even if and when the city pays out to the family (an outrage to be sure), society is better off financially (not to speak of future victims), to not have to house this clown for the next 30 or 40 years....and, what about morality and character?....did he have any?....and what about his family....are they productive members of society, or are they members of the Democratic/liberal welfare state?

8/07/2016 08:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and so, the discussion continues....the liberal Democrats act like Santa Claus (big taxes, giveaways to the minority communities (Section 8 vouchers, cell phones, etc.); some call it a "peace tax" (give them something, so they won't riot); and so they vote in lockstep with the Democrats, because....you can't vote against Santa Claus

8/07/2016 08:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not a cop, but an avid supporter of CPD. Just wondering what PSMV stands for?

Possession (of) Stolen Motor Vehicle

8/07/2016 08:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ya know SSC...I was thinking and telling my friends the same thing.....There Pukes cause their own DEMISE with their behavior and CHOICES they make in life...Just PHRUQ'EM.....This isn't going to end well for all involved.....

8/07/2016 08:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FUCK you are spot on SCC! Spot on. Thank you and Please keep telling the truth. I'm not a PO but I'm in the community and I'm sick of hearing how bad and evil the police "system" is stacked against young black men. It's total BS.

There are some of out here who haven drunk the liberal koolaid. Thank you to all you guys and gals for your service.

8/07/2016 08:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"One thing you can say about the old FOP is that they had training in check". IS THAT A JOKE? We are one of the least trained departments in the county. Talk to anyone from the suburbs, or in other states. We shoot our gun once a year. The city only has 3 worn down bio-hazard ranges that are shut down half the time. Our training, after the achademy is non-existing, an it HAS BEEN for at least the 15 years that I have been here. Oh I am sorry, I forgot about elearning, this place is a joke!

8/07/2016 08:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

PSMV = possession of a stolen motor vehicle

8/07/2016 08:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not a PO here again and clearly not a lawyer but Why do the cameras still roll after an event like this? OR ATLEAST make any comments inadmissible to a court or public. Not fair that private conversations between these guys is now public. Seems like a lawsuit coppers should have against CPD for violating theirs rights to privacy.

8/07/2016 08:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As the chief of police in Milwaukee so eloquently stated (you've got to listen to this guy, he is outstanding) ..."the racial wounds in America have been healing for quite some time ... but Obama took a a piece of sandpaper and re-opened them" (no those are not his exact words)

8/07/2016 08:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Jill said...

The deceased had every intent to kill a police officer as evident by the fact that he deliberately crashed his vehicle into an approaching police vehicle. We can assume then that the first police officer who discharged his weapon attempting to stop the deceased realized this very fact. My hat is off to the first officer who, in my opinion, did nothing wrong.

8/07/2016 08:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wait until Hillary is elected!

8/07/2016 08:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another upstanding citizen, future of our country. He was about to turn his life around. He was just using this car to go to library. I hope city takes this one to court and not pay. I'm so sick of this city and state. Most of all the media who is making shit up for sole purpose of selling advertising at the expense of our lives. Can't wait to disconnect from this shit and live my life peacefully. He was killed because of his choice. Why do we constantly have to pay for bad choices of other people. Wake up America ! Enough is enough! Vote Tump or nothing will change.

8/07/2016 08:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We get it, the guy was a jagoff and the world is a better place with him gone.
But let me ask a question. Will the owner of the stolen Jaguar contribute to the fund to provide lawyers for the coppers involved in removing the asshole from this world?
When you take a job, any job, you agree to do what your employer wants, provided it's within the law. The City wants you to pretend to be the police, fill out reports, kill crime with you black ink ball point pen, don't cause problems.
Things are going to get a lot worse before they turn around. Unless you want to risk jail, ruin your family both financially and emotionally, like the officers in this incident have done, you must either play the game, or get another job.
There is a big world out here full of possibilities. Spend your life wrestling with ghetto rats in a crappy city that doesn't give a damn about you if you want.
Or, dog it till your pension and hope for the best. Or take your money out of the pension fund, sell you bungalow in Chicago, buy a place somewhere nice, and go on with your life.
But don't waste your time fighting a system you can't change. Love, from my 26 acres in the North Woods near 2 lakes, the Real Reverend Al, formerly known as Three Deuces.

8/07/2016 09:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Columbo said...

Go back and check the gang signs pic again. There's a 9.5 member.

8/07/2016 09:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

state certified paramedics trained to render medical first aid for trauma. They are for last resort if you or your partner is in a do or die situation. Your little attaboy from media will turn into a "this guy has no medical training at all" when your first aid efforts on a civilian go wrong."

What the hell is wrong with some of you?

Stop self aid training? Some of the best training we've ever had?

Take a deep breath, and stop posting.

8/07/2016 09:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous 11th Dist King said...
To all the asinine officers who have worked 20 plus years without going to a grand jury, special grand jury, never been in a shooting, never had to testify, never needed a brother in blue to save your ass, and so on, STOP CRITIQUING. You guys have no idea what its like to be involved in a split second decision. Go back to starbucks get your latte and read your paper.

I am sick of hearing officers saying shit about these officers. We are supposed to be a group of one, but the city has us divided. They did what they did, and they were doing their jobs. One last thing. If this asshole would have stopped, none of this would have happened. Could there be things learned from the video, YES, were you there, NO.

8/07/2016 06:14:00 AM

You're correct in that not every officer on this department has had to make a split second decision on whether to shoot/not shoot, but had you considered the possibility that those of us that haven't been on the grand jury for a police shooting weren't on one because we determined shooting wasn't the best course of action? Some of us have been in tight spots and made different decisions.

I feel bad for the officer driver of the car and the officer that ultimately shot O'neil but I don't feel sorry for the passenger officer that started this entire firefight. He started shooting at his partner which likely caused his partner to believe that he was being shot at by the offender, which caused him to shoot at the offending vehicle. Sympathetic fire likely caused the driver to shoot at the car even as it was driving away, leading to the officers involved in the head on accident to believe they were being fired at by O'Neil.

Don't get me wrong, O'Neil gets the majority of the blame in this scenario, but his actions don't allow us to match his complete disregard for his life and the lives of others.

8/07/2016 09:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
OT....
Anonymous said...
Northwestern Hospital wants the police in uniform to relinquish their weapons in order to visit a patient. The security will follow you wherever you go. Mind you, they don't search the bangers or anyone else. The brass all know about this. Why wont they changed this foolish rule???
#########
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Several years ago Northwestern tried this, the chief of dicks at the time Phil Cline called and straightened them out!!!!!! ON DUTY POLICE DONT SURRENDER WEAPONS unless it's the mental wing.

8/07/2016 12:38:00 AM

Rules don't supersede the law and lawful authority.

8/07/2016 09:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I absolutely agree that this shitbird thief sealed his own fate. Unfortunately, no one seems to care around here what shitbirds do. Shooting at a fleeing car that already passed... Heat of the moment, under pressure decision... Maybe. What happened to the hiring and training process of getting people who can handle shit under pressure. I would never fire at a car after it passed me. Not blaming the officer. Perhaps CPD top brass should do a better job training recruits and giving continuing, in service training over an officer's career.

8/07/2016 09:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
All the Media keep talking about how the Officers violated Department policy and should therefore be fired and sent to prison. Can anyone explain to me why this Department Policy DOES NOT conform to State Law ?

8/07/2016 04:09:00 AM

Because the mayor wants it that way.

8/07/2016 09:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Any relation to the multiple arrests made by 002/007 on July 27th? 2 hot cars recovered, along with 2 pistols with 30 rd. magazines. One fleeing bad guy thought jumping 30' onto the Dan Ryan was a good idea. It wasn't. Heard there was a FB feed of it too.....

8/07/2016 09:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

PSMV Possession of a Stolen Motor Vehicle, in this case though it was Paul stole a motor vehicle.

8/07/2016 09:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What could've been done better? Saying how we should support the PO's involved is missing the point completely. Watch the videos. Tear them apart. Second by second. Because the worst thing that could happen as a result of this is to learn nothing at all.

Says the arm chair quarterback.

Thank GOD I've got less than a year till retirement.

8/07/2016 09:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Hope all the P/O's involved sue the estate of the dude for injuries and being traumatized. Dude's action resulted in his own death. How appropriate

8/07/2016 09:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

8/07/2016 05:40:00 AM

Amen. Class 86-3 with Fred Waller.Great Copper.

8/07/2016 09:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous 11th Dist King said...
To all the asinine officers who have worked 20 plus years without going to a grand jury, special grand jury, never been in a shooting, never had to testify, never needed a brother in blue to save your ass, and so on, STOP CRITIQUING. You guys have no idea what its like to be involved in a split second decision. Go back to starbucks get your latte and read your paper.

I am sick of hearing officers saying shit about these officers. We are supposed to be a group of one, but the city has us divided. They did what they did, and they were doing their jobs. One last thing. If this asshole would have stopped, none of this would have happened. Could there be things learned from the video, YES, were you there, NO.

---

It's bad police work. If it keeps up, more officers are going to get hurt, physically and financially. Cops cannot behave like they are on some adventure quest. This is a job.

8/07/2016 09:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

PSMV=auto theft, you answered your own question,but if you must know its possession of stolen motor vehicle!

8/07/2016 10:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The sad thing is these officers are going to get screwed. A few years back I sat in court and realized that nothing happens to these criminals in Cook County court. The criminals soon realized that too. Even if the outcome had been different, an arrest, a court date, a conviction, and then maybe 3 Years IDOC if even that which equates to less than a year locked up. All for a property crime trying to get money back for the insurance companies. Time to wake up people.

8/07/2016 10:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 8/07/2016 01:02:00 AM,
Not a cop either.
PSMV = Possession of a Stolen Motor Vehicle.

8/07/2016 10:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Our founding father's are turning over in their graves.

8/07/2016 10:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous 11th Dist King said...
To all the asinine officers who have worked 20 plus years without going to a grand jury, special grand jury, never been in a shooting, never had to testify, never needed a brother in blue to save your ass, and so on, STOP CRITIQUING. You guys have no idea what its like to be involved in a split second decision. Go back to starbucks get your latte and read your paper.

I am sick of hearing officers saying shit about these officers. We are supposed to be a group of one, but the city has us divided. They did what they did, and they were doing their jobs. One last thing. If this asshole would have stopped, none of this would have happened. Could there be things learned from the video, YES, were you there, NO.

8/07/2016 06:14:00 AM

So well said! Scc great job posting the truth. Ok, we know the guys may have fucked up. But now is a time to stick together. And the spin that the offender's scum bag lawyer is putting on it is down right criminal. Someone should ask him what his motivation is in this whole thing..."justice for Paul??" Get the fuck out of here. How bout $$$$$. And you the media is getting used as his means to get it.

Oh and SCC, since you're the only one out there who's asking the REAL questions, I have one, "What exactly was in Paul's backpack?" School books? College applications? His resume for prospective employers?
The new Harry Potter Book maybe???

Or how bout a bag full of burglary tools....

Sorry, I forgot that doesn't matter

Keep up the good work SCC. Today you are more important than you'll ever know

8/07/2016 10:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wish any member of the command staff - ANYBODY - would have the balls to get in front of a camera and state in the simplest of terms what we all already know, but the media can't seem to grasp:

In every single supposed police "execution" that has been force fed by the liberal media, there is one common factor - the shithead DIDN'T LISTEN TO LAWFUL ORDERS! I'll give you the accidental shooting involving the therapist a couple of weeks ago, but can anyone identify a single police involved fatal shooting that has been the subject of liberal scrutiny that didn't involve an offender refusing to stop when told to stop, or not resisting arrest? NOT ONE!

We don't need to reinvent policing! Somebody grow a pair and state the obvious: EVERY SINGLE "VICTIM" WOULD BE ALIVE TODAY IF THEY HAD OBEYED LAWFUL ORDERS TO STOP.

8/07/2016 10:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All the "stop critiquing your fellow officers. We always need to stand together, no matter what" comments: you're dead wrong. And you're part of the problem. Call a fuck up a fuck up. Learn from it. You're telling me you'd be perfectly comfortable with your partner firing one handed, nuzzle sweeping you the whole time? Then you're a moron and deserve such partner.

It's ok to criticize poor policing. Especially if you're not a bad cop. When you say that shit, you sound as ignorant as the negligent parents who claim "they baby was turning they life around."

8/07/2016 10:44:00 AM  
Blogger Retired and glad said...

Personal reasonability is a term that the media only applies to the police. Had this young man not been a car thief he would be alive today. What lessons had his mother taught him? Was the young man taught not to steal to the respect property of others I think not. The problem comes down to a breakdown of the family and a government that tell people they are the victim.

Hillary thinks it takes a village but in reality it takes a family. When families are strong regardless of race you do not get these results.

8/07/2016 10:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

35 & Michigan security.
What would it take for a small, well armed group
with little training to storm the Michigan
side of HQ and wreak havoc and
and damage inside?
Is lobby security trained to repell such
an attack?
Do they have access / training / masks ,
To deploy gas.
I guess wooden horses will do!

OEMC as well, nothing but open glass lobby.

8/07/2016 10:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...



Outstanding and brilliant introduction to this post, SCC.
Keep this fire burning!

Retired, 30+

8/07/2016 10:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think the video game Grand Theft Auto would be an appropriate item at his memorial site

8/07/2016 10:56:00 AM  
Blogger True News said...

Almost 50 Shot in mostly black violence since Friday - a half dozen or so have already died from their wounds BUT the Chicago Tribune headlines for the last 3 days is about this police shooting.

Fricken Amazing!

8/07/2016 10:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
The thing that bothers me most if the POS mouthpiece attorney hired by the family who stands in front of the camera using words such as execution. Talk about inciting violence, it is a shame that they can go on camera and spew whatever venom they want before the facts are even in, yet the police have to sit there and be silent. I'm sure he doesn't live or gives a crap what goes on in the hood, but he and his counterparts have made a cottage industry of bringing false accusations in order to justify their 40% settlement fee. The media is no better showing the "suspected" car thief in his graduation gown as if he was going to do something productive with his life. Much like the one who was going to be an engineer according to his family, except for the fact he only attended school one day his senior year and had a gang tattoo across his neck.

8/07/2016 07:35:00 AM

They have to get it out now before the gag order is put in place for the very reasons you stated.

8/07/2016 11:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Those officer who were in the car that was struck need to:

Get a lawyer and file against the goofs estate! Don't listen to Corp counsel about the City not being able to help against allegation when they file a civil suit.


Once officer start making these lawsuit about police abuse NON feasible Loevy and loevy will not pick up these weak cases. The City will have to negotiate with the officer also. The City will even offer promotion to those who drop lawsuits just to keep the playing field clean.

Don't count on FOP... Your lively hood is in your own hands

8/07/2016 11:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

(OT) just to say thank you to the transit and 1st district for responding to beach 12th street 1040 hours and removing the problem the thin Blue line always survives!

Retired Cpd!

Be safe May God bless the police!

8/07/2016 11:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
The thing that bothers me most if the POS mouthpiece attorney hired by the family who stands in front of the camera using words such as execution. Talk about inciting violence, it is a shame that they can go on camera and spew whatever venom they want before the facts are even in, yet the police have to sit there and be silent. I'm sure he doesn't live or gives a crap what goes on in the hood, but he and his counterparts have made a cottage industry of bringing false accusations in order to justify their 40% settlement fee. The media is no better showing the "suspected" car thief in his graduation gown as if he was going to do something productive with his life. Much like the one who was going to be an engineer according to his family, except for the fact he only attended school one day his senior year and had a gang tattoo across his neck.

8/07/2016 07:35:00 AM

Maybe the media should look into the events which led to Michael Oppenheimer leaving the employment of the Cook County State's Attorney's Office. Maybe they waould find he is not such an upstanding lawyer as he purports to be. False testimony???

8/07/2016 11:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's obvious from this background info that this kid was not an altar boy but a car thief. Who cares that the media makes it out like he was some saint. I somehow missed the point however of why the Officers in question fired a weapon at a passing car? He not only put innocent bystanders in jeapordy, but also his fellow Officers. I mean it's absurd to even defend such actions. This is exactly what the anti-police relish. By defending such actions you reap the reward of those marvelous marches of No Justice No Peace. Bottom line is the days of yore are over. Everyone has cameras. In fact very soon, it will be standard that all vehicles will be equipped with video. It's coming. Solution....swift justice in removing/firing all police officers that exhibit such actions. Short of that...more police officers lives will be in danger. Finally, were these Officers trained at the Police Academy? And if so, how did they pass and who is doing the training? By keep defending such actions, your giving the other side more and more ammunition. No pun intended.

8/07/2016 11:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Escalante has been busy.
He announced anyone who's fired a shot at a vehicle since the order was revised (was it 2012?) WILL BE FIRED.
I hope the city is prepared for all the illegal firings, subsequent lawsuits, big money settlements and ultimate reinstatements this little foray into nonsense is going to bring.
Escalante is an idiot.

8/07/2016 11:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We need guys and gals who can out think these cretins and hood rats
8/07/2016 05:40:00 AM

Seriously! Sounds like Edith Bunker advice or CPS rhetoric " Work smarter Not harder"

Out think = you're dead.

Until the political climate in this country changes and stops venerating this scum like if they were Mother Theresa, Police Officers need to stay fetal and safe!

My prayers go to the Officers involved you did your job!

8/07/2016 11:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Slightly off topic, but Faisal Khan the former chicago inspector general gives an interview about corruption in chicago, and how he turned over his files to the fbi..... he said chicago is run "like the wild west" and it is a like south american "kleptocracy" ..... there aren't 50 wards in chicago, there are "50 fiefdoms" .....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOX5OGRFvYA

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/08/departed_inspector_general_predicts_criminal_prosecutions_of_chicago_pols.html

8/07/2016 11:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just spouting off here-
Is there a training failure or communications failure?
Get the G.I.'s out of the academy and put them in D2 positions to get hands on in field training.
Even if it's going to roll calls or monitored ride-a-longs.
It's unfortunate that society and liberal politics makes beat work undesirable.
(Get rid of the useless liberal Lewis U. book smart desk prone eggheads too.)
I learned a lot about assailants and shooting from some of the best military trained PO's at the academy, but I think there's room for other aspects of para military readiness. I've never been in the military, but the guys I trained with at the academy were some fine and disciplined people.
I don't knock them, but the training protocol at the academy needs an overhaul, it way outdated and obsolete.
Recruits should be taught survival now, along with shooting, defense tactics, law, and COMMON SENSE.
Too much focus on love the thug too.
When was the last time the Academy went through a major review of the training program?
The academy lesson plans should be taught by 20 yr. seasoned DISTRICT officers have the actual street experience and not perennial desk or unit jockey spot takers.
FTO program also needs to be restructured and taken seriously too.
If the community climate continues in the direction it's going, and it appears it is, then all Tact Teams should be eliminated as well.

8/07/2016 11:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Not a cop, but an avid supporter of CPD. Just wondering what PSMV stands for?

possession of a stolen motor vehicle, psmv
A felony charge

8/07/2016 11:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Circa 1985; my partner and I are in a car chase, it ends when I spin the jerk out, we get them out of the car and there is resisting followed by application of the baton to stop the resisting, The good folks in the neighborhood come out en-mass and my picture makes the Defender newspaper. The Kodak moment was alive then.

8/07/2016 11:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Question: If a thug attempts to use a weapon e.g., gun or knife, to harm you but then drops it and begins to flee, are you required to just allow him to run free? Here a car was the weapon...

8/07/2016 11:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Possession
Stolen
Motor
Vehicle


A felony, along with ramming a squad car felony

8/07/2016 11:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not a cop, but an avid supporter of CPD. Just wondering what PSMV stands for?

Possession of a stolen motor vehicle

8/07/2016 11:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Try not to suck said...

I was giving a deposition a for a car chase some years back where the offender suffered some injuries at the end of the chase. At the end of the dep the scumbags attorney asked if there was anything I wanted to ad and I said yes. I told him that we wouldn't be sitting here today if his client had just pulled over when he was initially stopped. I went on to tell him that his client is responsible for his own injuries and no one else. The look on the attorneys face was priceless, he had nothing to say to that.

8/07/2016 11:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/police-supt-people-have-right-to-be-upset-by-police-shooting/
8/07/2016 03:27:00 AM


The Supt doesn't know how to be neutral and doesn't know how to keep his big mouth shut. This man does NOT have your back folks (people). Don't let him fool you. He tries to play the role to get you to believe he's one of us, just another copper. All the while, he strips cops for their own good instead of standing up for them in the media and opens his pie hole every chance he gets saying things like cops violated policy instead of "it's still under investigation". He is not one of us.

At the same time though, why are cops still being proactive?

STAY FETAL

8/07/2016 12:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Real simple, when u r on the scene, keep your fuckin mouth closed and stay off
your own cell phone, you look so confused, no leadership anywhere, I mean fuck
the tape, the crime scene had everyone and there mother walk thru, u Sgt's and
Lt's don't know what the fuck your doing. The officer who allegedly fired the shot, keep's rambling on, how come they didn't take him to Ambulance and treat him 4
shock?

8/07/2016 12:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous 11th Dist King said...
To all the asinine officers who have worked 20 plus years without going to a grand jury, special grand jury, never been in a shooting, never had to testify, never needed a brother in blue to save your ass, and so on, STOP CRITIQUING. You guys have no idea what its like to be involved in a split second decision. Go back to starbucks get your latte and read your paper.

yes i have over 20yrs, had a shooting and been to every grand jury and court room in cook county and du page. but i will say one thing STAY FETAL.
Because the tools who wear white shirts will not stick their necks out for you KID ! and u can catch me on the boarder 011 power ranger.

015 BLUE SHIRT

8/07/2016 12:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Media seems to be ok with the crimes being committed they never condemn the bad guy just the police

8/07/2016 12:11:00 PM  
Blogger Sir Donkey, esq said...

16 STOLEN CARS AND A COVER UP!

8/07/2016 12:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder why it is exactly that ghetto thugs think they can just go to the suburbs and steal anything they want? Do you not understand you are being watched because you draw attention to yourself? Do you not understand that once the car was determined to have been stolen eight or ten police vehicles were converging on your location? Do you not understand you were seen after the bail out when you ran into back yards at Washington and Tamarack? Do you not understand the police dog was between meals and very hungry at 5am? Do you not understand when you resist Napverville police you will be introducted to electricty or gun powder? Do you not understand you are in Du Page County and we are going to convict your narrow ass and send you to state prison for years? And there is no Lovey and Lovey out here. Just John Wimmer/I mean Joanie Wimmer Esq. and she is not doing too well in the Curcuit these days. Sure, our jail is nicer than 26th and Cal but you will never get out of it until you are transferred to state prison. Enjoy fool.

8/07/2016 12:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I forgot, great police work Naperville Police. Great service all the time.

8/07/2016 12:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ot-

Hey FOP you gonna have a huge contingent out there for the CPD representation?


Martin G Johnson -
August 4 at 4:00pm ..
Ja'Mal D Green court date has been change to this coming Wednesday, August 10, 2016 at 9:00 a.m. at Belmont and Western. Please Share thanks for your support!


(too bad none of these f-ers can speak or talk correctly, maybe they could get a job)

8/07/2016 12:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Northwestern Hospital wants the police in uniform to relinquish their weapons in order to visit a patient. The security will follow you wherever you go. Mind you, they don't search the bangers or anyone else. The brass all know about this. Why wont they changed this foolish rule???"

Northwestern Hospital is PRIVATE property. They have their won security force.

Whatever happens there is on PRIVATE PROPERTY. It is THEIR problem. Not CPD's.

When the shit hits the fan there, wait until all the dust settles, then prepare the appropriate case report.

8/07/2016 12:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It seems as if the fambly spokesman could make a living by only taking clients with the last name of Oneal.

8/07/2016 01:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

PSMV = Possession of a Stolen Motor Vehicle

8/07/2016 01:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...



U can't get in trouble if U don't do anything.
Retired and fetal.
Got it officers, retired and fetal.

8/07/2016 01:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC, damn near the best written post I've read on here. Well done, gentlemen.

8/07/2016 02:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

735am, this is why we need tort reform now, does anybody know how Trump feels about tort reform?

8/07/2016 02:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Not a cop, but an avid supporter of CPD. Just wondering what PSMV stands for?

These screwball politicians need to grow a pair and start backing the police. Sick of these thugs and idiots being paraded around like their heroes.

If he had dreams, he should have been doing something productive rather than engaging in auto theft.

8/07/2016 01:02:00 AM

PSMV stands for Possesion Stolen Motor Vehicle.

8/07/2016 02:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is what happens when you are not properly trained and the only scenario you ever dealt with is playing Xbox Grand Theft Auto. Not just blaming the officers involved. The academy, supervisors, upper staff, and politicians all have some involvement here.

8/07/2016 02:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

15 years ago they started the policy of immediately terminating chases if you were chasing a stolen car or just as a traffic stop. It was for our safety and the safety of civilians. Was it frustrating? Very much so. But at the same time it probably saved many lives including police. The PO's involved did what they thought was right, but at the same time everything was based on miscommunication. One thing I learned after 26 years was don't put yourself in harms way. Don't intentionally do something where you or your partner can be seriously injured or killed. Don't take being taunted by these hood rats personally. If he went out of his way trying to strike you or your partner purposely, you light him up. But why block him where the only place to go is straight at a copper. I'm not quarterbacking, but everything we do is recorded one way or another. Even when we are right we get grief for it. This is not 25-30 years ago, where what you did was justified. This is 2016, where you are guilty of your actions unless proven otherwise. Civilians are against us, the media is against us and not one boss has your back. You are on your own. Your actions in any situation are recorded and put on every site for the world to see and damn your actions. Common sense is don't put yourself in any situation where you will be stripped or worse indicted. Answer your calls and nothing more. When is is said stay fetal, that is exactly what it means. BLM and every other person protesting the police have the upper hand. Everybody, meaning bosses, States Attorneys and Judges are not going to push for charges on any of these protesters, even when they record one of them striking you. Don't give any ammunition to screw you over. It is not easy, but in the end you will have your day. Until then, be like teflon and let their bullshit roll off you. This is not personal to you, but aimed at every PO. Sometimes you are just at the wrong place at the wrong time to be the target of their ranting bullshit.

8/07/2016 02:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where is the 1st deputy? when the heat is really on his little ass is no where to be found on tv,hell, I'm hearing more McCarthy then escalante. maybe,he along with the mayor told each other to step back until this blows over..Come on john,did you at least make the final 3 at north eastern or was it just like the cpd? If cpd or northeastern didnt put you in the top 3 whats next..

8/07/2016 02:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

8/07/2016 06:14:00 AM

You the Real Police and the dicks stole your pinch and only you know how to do it. I bet you still call it Fillmore, YES. Were you there, NO. Sounds like the Westside has put the zap on your brain. Time to move on before you become a bigger laughing stock.

8/07/2016 03:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

20 year copper here and I've had a front row seat to the current shit show we live in. I loved this job in my younger years and being aggressive, I too made mistakes. I grew older and wiser. About 2 years ago, I started second guessing my choice and wished I went the state or a suburb. It's to the point I don't understand these young guys trying to do police work. YOU WILL GET JAMMED UP. No way around it. If you're past the point of no return like me, lay up. If you're young look for another line of work. It's not worth it anymore. As every cop is a criminal and all the sinners saints. As heads is tails, this city is Lucifer. I'm in need of some restraint.

8/07/2016 03:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous 11th Dist King said...
To all the asinine officers who have worked 20 plus years without going to a grand jury, special grand jury, never been in a shooting, never had to testify, never needed a brother in blue to save your ass, and so on, STOP CRITIQUING. You guys have no idea what its like to be involved in a split second decision. Go back to starbucks get your latte and read your paper.

I am sick of hearing officers saying shit about these officers. We are supposed to be a group of one, but the city has us divided. They did what they did, and they were doing their jobs. One last thing. If this asshole would have stopped, none of this would have happened. Could there be things learned from the video, YES, were you there, NO

The 11th District King talks the truth!

I was at several incidents of Police involved shootings.
Its not a game like the jaguar thief's attorney portrays policing. That fool oppenheimer would shit his pants after 30 minutes in Englewood or Fillmore. That fool probably shits his pants when the power at his house goes off.

Like the 11th District King, I too am Retired on Duty!

Let them all kill each other and the attorneys!

Be safe and watch your 6.

Col Hanibal Smith
A-TEAM.

8/07/2016 03:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A just had a thought about Rahm's PRIVATIZATION.

It's all on how to run the Department on the cheap so they can steal the money for things which stuff their own pockets. Does anyone remember when it was all cops who ran the 9-1-1 system and they got D-2 pay.

Well then that whole part of he CPD was civilianized and not for the betterment of the street police or the citizens. FOP was pretty quiet about that.

The next step is that if some campaign contributor can pay enough (bribe) they can move the whole 9-1-1 operation off shore possibly to Mumbai.

What will FOP say about that if Rahm tries that?

8/07/2016 04:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Criminal Behavior = disastrous consequences!

8/07/2016 04:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why aren't they putting the blame on his parents. Where is his mother and father? Does momma have a job? Does the father have a job? Is the father incarcerated. What is the criminal background of the parents? Quit fucking blaming the police!! Blame it on his upbringing! These people need to learn to be responsible for their actions. If you break the law you should be serving some time!! Quit giving them all of these chances! They belong behind bars!!! There is no room in this society for law breaking, lazy, and disrespectful people. Get off your ass, get a job and buy yourself a car and a house. The government needs to turn off off the spigot and quit giving away stuff for free. I'm sorry, but you're not entitled to free food, free housing, free phones and government funds!

8/07/2016 04:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Training on CPD is pathetic. Make sure you go to the range and keep practicing. Keep abreast on current laws and G.O.'s. The department will leave you hanging, unless you have clout.

8/07/2016 04:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Drove a CTA bus for 30 years. Had coppers save my bacon more than a time or two. T/y CPD.
(Fwiw put in commendations for same over the years.) Once one of you guys explained the difference between assault & battery for me - the latter being physical violence and the former, verbal violence.

Well, if outside your HQ bldg last night, that mass of muscles in a white t-shirt isn't committing verbal violence on that copper, I don't EVEN wanna know what DOES constitute the crime of assault.

8/07/2016 04:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

God I love you Second City Cop!!! Not the police, but I still love you for calling it like it truly is!!! This kid 6 feet under is a godsend. Thank you.

8/07/2016 04:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

13% of the population, but over 70% of the violent crime problem. Let's start a discussion about that, for once.

8/07/2016 04:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Haven't owned a tv in 10 years nor watched tv news for at least 20 years (thank you Carol Marin) but all I - respectfully - ask is for semi-balanced AND HONEST reportage. Like fr'instance re the late Paul O'Neal story. Here's how the teleprompter reader woulda sounded ...

"Today, a convicted felon & known gangbanger fled police in a stolen vehicle endangering numerous civilian & police officer lives. Side-swiping one CPD cruiser and nearly running over its driver who was trying to escape a head-on collision.

The suspect then did collide head-on with another police car before fleeing the scene further endangering other neighborhood residents. Having used the stolen vehicle - a high end luxury model - as a deadly weapon MULTIPLE times over the course of the chase, he was shot dead in order to bring the EXTREMELY dangerous situation to a close.

In other news, girl scout troop 864 is participating in the annual cookie drive to raise funds for a local senior citizens' home..."

8/07/2016 04:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As far as NW hospital goes. I went there to speak with a victim. They said I had to wait for security and no weapons. I said no problem and I left. Went back a few hours later covered up. Walked right to the victim's room. No questions asked. Never had a problem since. Just call to find out room number and visit just like anybody else. No identifiers. Problem solved.

8/07/2016 04:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On July 27, 1999, petitioner filed an amended petition for the appointment of a special prosecutor. In this amended petition, petitioner alleges Assistant State's Attorney Michael Oppenheimer conspired with Detectives Nathaniel and Cassidy to concoct, fabricate, frame and create false and perjured evidence to implicate E.H. and R.G. in the sexual assault and murder of Ryan Harris. Specifically, petitioner alleges that Oppenheimer induced Nathaniel to testify perjuriously at the August 10, 1998, hearing and unlawfully withheld favorable evidence and facts from E.H., R.G. and their attorneys that exculpated and established that E.H. and R.G. were not in any way involved in the crimes against Harris.

8/07/2016 04:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Black America has ascended into a hellish anarchy. On Sat Aug 13th my mixed team of Whites, Blacks and Hispanics has collectively said enough is enough for Bud Billiken. We have reached rock bottom as a culture and when 8 officers of all colors and EVEN a ...lesbian say NO to a moronic divisive parade that speaks volumes. STAND UP and SHUT DOWN a yearly embarrassing shitshow and yes I'm Black.

8/07/2016 05:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...




PSMV Possession of a Stolen Motor Vehicle, in this case though it was Paul stole a motor vehicle.



THAT'S GOOD!!!! 😄😄😄😄

8/07/2016 05:32:00 PM  
Anonymous RAZ said...

Dear SCC,

This is possibly the best most, well thought out critique I've ever read.

I'm retired 17 years and just want to give an old timers opinion. Boys and girls, your number one job is to go home safely at the end of your tour with the same number of holes in your body that you had when you left.

8/07/2016 05:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


In an earlier thread, someone mentioned that FOP should oversee training. Well, they used to, and when the Dept introduced the PPO foot posts, a grievance was filed. Dean then was elected and his buddy and cousin in MLAS had Dean withdraw it. FTOs also had two to three recruits with them. Blame yourselves for electing this guy, you have no one to blame but yourselves. One thing we can agree on is that the old FOP always kept training in check.

im I reading this right. Are you blaming the FOP for this shooting? Must be close to election time. Surprised they didn't blame Donald Trump.

8/07/2016 05:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When family members (& the media) proclaim someone an 'Honor' student, I should be able to file a Freedom Of Information Act to see their report card. Want to show a p.o.s. in their graduation gown (with the promise of a shiny future ahead of them), my FOIA will be to see this individual's 4 year attendance rate & report cards. Oh, you they were just starting a new job on Monday or were going to trade school in the fall - FOIA to see the job & school application form. Prove to me that these statements about the deceased aren't a lie.

8/07/2016 05:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It will be worse if hillary who is insane and cannot even walk up stairs is elected:

http://theamericanmirror.com/shock-photo-grandma-hillary-helped-stairs/

She campaigns with dead thugs moms the mothers of thugs who attempted to kill maim police officers!

8/07/2016 05:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

It will be worse if hillary who is insane and cannot even walk up stairs is elected:

http://theamericanmirror.com/shock-photo-grandma-hillary-helped-stairs/

She campaigns with dead thugs moms the mothers of thugs who attempted to kill maim police officers!

8/07/2016 05:53:00 PM
Agreed she detests police read the book written by her own secret service agent in the White house "crisis of character" she tells agent F-you and makes them scamper and stay out of her sight a vote for her is a vote against law and order and anti-taxpayer!

8/07/2016 06:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well said Second City Cop!!!

8/07/2016 06:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

While I'm sure this doesn't matter to the brothers & sisters of the CPD, I must point out that ... after viewing the video of the shooting, it appears that the officer involved is "Hispanic!" Yet, you will only hear from the liberal media, "Police shoot unarmed black man!" Why is it, when a Caucasian officer is involved, the media shouts it from the rooftops?

8/07/2016 06:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Jill said...
The deceased had every intent to kill a police officer as evident by the fact that he deliberately crashed his vehicle into an approaching police vehicle. We can assume then that the first police officer who discharged his weapon attempting to stop the deceased realized this very fact. My hat is off to the first officer who, in my opinion, did nothing wrong.

8/07/2016 08:36:00 AM

Well Jill, you are entitled to your opinion; but my opinion is that their actions were foolish and reckless! Try to convince a jury that you knew that a car speeding past you at 40 MPH had the intent to crash head-on into an approachimng squad car a quarter block away. NOT going to happen. More importantly, what presented the greater danger to the approaching squad car... the clearly visible stolen Jaguar or the unseen multiple rounds being fired in your direction from another policeman? As we used to say in Viet Nam, "friendly fire" ISN'T!

8/07/2016 07:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
It will be worse if hillary who is insane and cannot even walk up stairs is elected:

http://theamericanmirror.com/shock-photo-grandma-hillary-helped-stairs/

She campaigns with dead thugs moms the mothers of thugs who attempted to kill maim police officers!

8/07/2016 05:53:00 PM

And half of the police on this job wont even vote and half of those who do vote will vote for that bitch! God bless America!

8/07/2016 07:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Just spouting off here-
Is there a training failure or communications failure?
Get the G.I.'s out of the academy and put them in D2 positions to get hands on in field training.
Even if it's going to roll calls or monitored ride-a-longs.
It's unfortunate that society and liberal politics makes beat work undesirable.
(Get rid of the useless liberal Lewis U. book smart desk prone eggheads too.)
I learned a lot about assailants and shooting from some of the best military trained PO's at the academy, but I think there's room for other aspects of para military readiness. I've never been in the military, but the guys I trained with at the academy were some fine and disciplined people.
I don't knock them, but the training protocol at the academy needs an overhaul, it way outdated and obsolete.
Recruits should be taught survival now, along with shooting, defense tactics, law, and COMMON SENSE.
Too much focus on love the thug too.
When was the last time the Academy went through a major review of the training program?
The academy lesson plans should be taught by 20 yr. seasoned DISTRICT officers have the actual street experience and not perennial desk or unit jockey spot takers.
FTO program also needs to be restructured and taken seriously too.
If the community climate continues in the direction it's going, and it appears it is, then all Tact Teams should be eliminated as well.

8/07/2016 11:40:00 AM

This is wishful thinking, son. Look who is in charge of the academy? The DC does not believe in discipline of recruits. The XO and LT have no idea what is going on in the classrooms. The DOJ has spent several weeks in the academy interviewing the staff and recruits. We can only hope they either make changes or take over.

8/07/2016 08:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Coppers learning martial art less lethal hmm so you karate chop an offender and thug is seriously hurt or maimed who is responsible:
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/08/07/with-use-of-deadly-force-in-question-some-cops-learning-martial-arts/

8/07/2016 08:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's see- the putz----errr Mayor tutu--- is going to jack up the water and sewer bill over four yrs to $ 200 bucks to try and pay the pension bills- and somehow it's the greedy cops fault the last democrat hack mayor did not make mandated pension contributions. Anyone see a terrible contract on the horizon? No wonder the fop has been Mia-- this is Chicago after all who took/ gave a payoff/kickback? And how soon will this be used to tank the new contract?
Mayor tutu will waltz to the fiscally challenged side of this increasing hellhole of a city, and have the rent - a-mob stand-ins in the background while he and the alderman yell/ speak about the injustice of having the poor pay for the evil cops pensions. The press will eat it up- and we get a coranary of a contract. I find that with each passing day I hate this city more.

8/07/2016 08:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Christsakes SCC ... you keep up this level of thoughtful verse, you'll get a Pulitzer !

Spot on, sir, first round on me ...

Cheers !

ABCD (Ret)

8/07/2016 09:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

In an earlier thread, someone mentioned that FOP should oversee training. Well, they used to, and when the Dept introduced the PPO foot posts, a grievance was filed. Dean then was elected and his buddy and cousin in MLAS had Dean withdraw it. FTOs also had two to three recruits with them. Blame yourselves for electing this guy, you have no one to blame but yourselves. One thing we can agree on is that the old FOP always kept training in check.
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im I reading this right. Are you blaming the FOP for this shooting? Must be close to election time. Surprised they didn't blame Donald Trump.


8/07/2016 05:50:00 PM
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No, 5:50pm, you're not reading this right.
The poster was clearly responding to someone else's comment about FOP and training. And they gave us some new info on why FOP backed off trying to have input into training.
Please spare us your manufactured outrage.

8/07/2016 09:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Black America has ascended into a hellish anarchy. On Sat Aug 13th my mixed team of Whites, Blacks and Hispanics has collectively said enough is enough for Bud Billiken. We have reached rock bottom as a culture and when 8 officers of all colors and EVEN a ...lesbian say NO to a moronic divisive parade that speaks volumes. STAND UP and SHUT DOWN a yearly embarrassing shitshow and yes I'm Black.

8/07/2016 05:03:00 PM

Congrats on going back to the watch! We could use the help!

8/07/2016 10:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The government needs to turn off off the spigot and quit giving away stuff for free. I'm sorry, but you're not entitled to free food, free housing, free phones and government funds!

8/07/2016 04:26:00 PM
Sir, have you been living in the dark ages? The plan to support poor people from cradle to grave is part of the democrats/socialism agenda and has been going on forever. I call it pay to play or pay with others people's money(taxpayers)to support low income people who refuse to work because they believe it is the governments responsibility to support them cradle to grave and all you have to do to repay them vote democratic. In realistic numbers, between city,county and federal taxes the average Chicago homeowner is now paying 32% of their earnings yearly in taxes. If you add real estate taxes and fees into the equation it increases to 38%. So while all the working stiffs work longer hours to increase their take home pay the city, county, state and federal government are working at ways to decrease your take home by increasing taxes so they can support more prospective democratic voters cradle to grave. This along with the fantasy narrative of the democratic party will lead to war in this country.

The people of Central Europe were not enthusiastic from the beginning. Their leaders seem to share the feelings of their populations. None spoke as explicitly as Viktor Orbán, Prime Minister of Hungary. He said out loud what many of his countrymen seemed to think. He spoke of "invasion" and asked if there were another word to describe the massive and often brutal entry into a country of people who have not been invited to do so. He added that a country has the right to decide who is allowed to enter its territory and to guard its borders. He stressed that those who enter Europe are from a "different culture," and suggested that Islam might not be compatible with European Judeo-Christian values.

Western European political leaders harshly condemned his remarks and the attitude of Central Europe in general. They decided to take a hard line approach, including: forcing recalcitrant countries to welcome immigrants, setting up mandatory quotas that define how many immigrants each EU country must receive, and threatening those countries that declined to obey. Martin Schulz, President of the European Parliament, said that Europe was built in a spirit of "burden sharing," and that EU breakup was a risk that could not be excluded. Well England's people have had enough with the sharing of the burden and have split from the EU. I can see states succeeding from the Socialist Government of this country. As Hank Williams said "United Socialist States of America" don't you just love that name? I'll take the USA and yall can keep the change!

8/07/2016 10:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

O'Neal looks like he's in the Tribune photo of Green and Devereux, which was shown to the judge in Green's case

8/07/2016 10:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope our guys are being taught this; Tell the Detectives what happened, what really happened.

Talk to your Sgt., talk to your Lt,. whatever, what counts is the Detectives.

I hope the guys in the acaedmy are telling you to trust the D-unit. Nobody assigned to a Police involved shooting is an a-hole or a dildo looking for merit. WE know who jerkoffs are and they would never get the assignment.

The current minimum ammount of time a Detective can have on the job is around 16yrs.

Fellas, "WE" send out our best.

Remeber that, everyone is against you except....

Same team blue

8/07/2016 10:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It will never change until coppers stop working vri and start voting in every election. Could never figure out why coppers worked so many hours trying to provide financial stability for their families and let the politicians take as much as they want from you because you don't vote. Not to mention the fact that your grievances fall on deaf political ears because they know that you don't vote so they never have to support your positions on critical things like pensions. Coppers are shopping at the penny candy store and politicians are flying to Switzerland to buy their candy, all on your dime, or lack of a vote. Come on even convicted felons vote in this city, county and state but not coppers. I guess their to busy working vri so rahm doesn't have to hire police.

8/07/2016 10:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where is the piece of trash family lawyer now? I thought that he would be rushing to the microphones to dismiss the photos of the law abiding youth with others displaying guns and flashing gang signals.

8/07/2016 10:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ja'Mal D Green court date has been change to this coming Wednesday, August 10, 2016 at 9:00 a.m. at Belmont and Western. Please Share thanks for your support!

--Don't worry Judge Luckman will find No Probable Cause like he always does.

8/07/2016 10:36:00 PM  
Blogger Rich Rostrom said...

Anonymous @ 8/07/2016 10:39:00 AM said...
can anyone identify a single police involved fatal shooting that has been the subject of liberal scrutiny that didn't involve an offender refusing to stop when told to stop, or not resisting arrest?

Rekia Boyd. Detective Servin was off-duty, and made no attempt to arrest Boyd or any of the people with her.

Just A Civilian (who thinks nearly all police shootings are wholly justified, but not all, not entirely)

8/07/2016 10:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This could have been a lot worse than it was... Shooting a car that has past you. What the hell are you thinking? Since when do you open fire at a car traveling at high speed, moving away from you and expect to hit the driver? Our so called expertise and training should have kicked in and stopped you. Or do you want to be the " hero ". Send these cowboys back to the academy... Mr Oneal isn't a saint here by any means. If it wasn't for his thug behavior we wouldn't be in this situation the first place. However, CPD needs to wise up and take the high road in these situations. This could have been a nightmare if there were people standing around when those shots went off. Innocent people could have been killed by one coppers actions. CPD needs to wake up and smell the coffee... You are all turning into your own worse enemy...

8/07/2016 11:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Our department directives are available to the public through the internet. .... therefore what is about to be revealed is no big secret....

People, or folks, do not have to pull over when the police activate their lights and sirens. Police cannot chase cars for traffic violations...... blow two lights or two stop signs and you are free! If you are driving a stolen car, which was taken in a straight up steal without any violence toward a person, the police cannot chase you.... Just run! and you are free free free !!!!

What does the media and the public think about that??

8/07/2016 11:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Hot Pursuit said...

One question keeps coming up, each and every time, Compliance. Thugs and non compliance = Bad things

8/07/2016 11:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you watch that first video closely, Paul Oneil seems like he is about to pull over in the stolen car behind the parked vehicle, then suddenly changes his mind and accelerates towards the officer getting out on the driver's side, while sideswiping the squad car and the parked car.

8/07/2016 11:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well stated.

I was just at a forum in San Francisco where some of the "controls" being advocated for law enforcement officers are basically handcuffs and incentives to avoid doing the very job officers are charged to do.

That said, there are reasons for us to be concerned about us. We are under increasing fire for many things, including being "too militarized" and out of touch with our communities. I believe there is some merit in those observations.

I came through the door in 1973. There were bad guys back then, too. (And radios that actually worked!) There was strong anti-police sentiment (kill the pigs!) from a vocal minority. Computers were just beginning to be used in law enforcement. We carried wheel guns. And night sticks (and some saps). There wasn't a separate vest for extra gear.

What there was then was a philosophical bend that we were peace officers. If somebody was ticket happy they were frowned on. Our job was to respond to temporary disturbances and restore the peace. Yes, we made arrests -- lots of them -- but many things were handled informally. The public and most judges backed law enforcement. We were problem solvers. We weren't always successful but most of us always tried. We had a lot of discretion.

That began to erode. More and more laws and policies taking away discretion. Mandatory arrests. Mandatory reports. Mandatory this, mandatory that. Law enforcement became seen as a profit center. Ticket happy cops were praised -- they helped make numbers. Respect for law enforcement declined, danger increased and politicians called on us to fix the world's problems with neither the mission, training or tools for the task. More and more young officers began getting hopped up on being "tactical" and little Rambos. The same federal government that today berates police work began to call on local law enforcement agencies to do more than deal with temporary situational disturbances. Now we were part of homeland security. And being a peace officer gave way to being a law enforcement officer.

Is the job being done better? In most ways, I think not. And that's not the fault of today's good cops. They are expected to be miracle workers by bosses and a public that expects too much for too little. And maybe many of the things people are upset about today with law enforcement stems from changing the mission from restoring the peace to many more tasks that defy the traditional role of local law enforcement in this country.

And it's not just in places like Shitcago. The burbs are no longer the safe enclaves they usually were. Go up in northern Wisconsin or over to Iowa and the meth heads and labs have pretty much done away with Andy and Barney.

As for the critics, you helped create this. And the government is the big culprit, too.

Bad cops? Yes. Bad doctors, nurses and clergy, too. But our mistakes wind up being recorded and on the news, interpreted by people who have no idea what it's like. Even worse, the very people we work for and with in large measure fail to stand up and tell it like it is. Officer-involved shootings -- why does it take months and years to make decisions? Let's flip the script: say somebody shot a cop. The prosecutor would have to have enough information to file a charge in a couple of days. Yes, the investigation won't be complete but enough would have to be there to make an informed decision. So why do officers have to be kept dangling so long for reviews to be done? Except where high tech forensic stuff is needed, these aren't usually terribly complex cases. The public seethes and coppers are left hung out to dry.

There are problem cops. We need to own that better than we do. But many of the problems blamed on cops now are the result of the actions of others, not us, who also won't own up to it.

8/08/2016 12:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well Jill, you are entitled to your opinion; but my opinion is that their actions were foolish and reckless! Try to convince a jury that you knew that a car speeding past you at 40 MPH had the intent to crash head-on into an approaching squad car a quarter block away. NOT going to happen. More importantly, what presented the greater danger to the approaching squad car... the clearly visible stolen Jaguar or the unseen multiple rounds being fired in your direction from another policeman? As we used to say in Viet Nam, "friendly fire" ISN'T!

8/07/2016 07:44:00 PM
Never mind the 3 previous encounters where in at least 1 he tried to run an officer over and he just kept coming back for more. Sounds more like a death wish or suicide by police.This isn't viet Nam this is the savage beast of Chicago. So easy to be a monday morning quarterback from the comfort of you desk chair at your computer. If you were in the nam you have been successfully brainwashed by the socialist anti-police false narrative spread by our politicians and peddled as sensationalistic news that has infected everyone in this country, some can see through the bullshit and some accept it as normal.

8/08/2016 12:45:00 AM  
Blogger DPR said...

This poster:
"What there was then was a philosophical bend that we were peace officers. If somebody was ticket happy they were frowned on. Our job was to respond to temporary disturbances and restore the peace. Yes, we made arrests -- lots of them -- but many things were handled informally. The public and most judges backed law enforcement. We were problem solvers. We weren't always successful but most of us always tried. We had a lot of discretion...."

Well said.

8/08/2016 06:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
As far as NW hospital goes. I went there to speak with a victim. They said I had to wait for security and no weapons. I said no problem and I left. Went back a few hours later covered up. Walked right to the victim's room. No questions asked. Never had a problem since. Just call to find out room number and visit just like anybody else. No identifiers. Problem solved.

8/07/2016 04:50:00 PM

All I can say to this is YES, this is the only way to go. Security at Northwestern is a smoke screen. Anyone can get up into the building and roam the halls at all hours of the day and night. It is easy. Plenty of thieves do it and not only victimize the patients in their rooms, but steal hospital property by the bushel. The hospital is riddled with unsecured ways to get in . The hospital wants a "friendly" atmosphere and their security is worthless because the hospital does not want to pay for good security. The administration covers things up and security lies to the administration. All you need to do is ask for a visitors pass and you will be given one, they will not ask who you are or for identification. If you tell them you are the police they will block you and sometimes even send security up to the room to see if the patient wants to talk to you. Ignore them. If the public knew what really goes on within the hospital walls, they would not go there. I know. I was an insider for years. Pickpockets work the elevators and eating areas. Thieves walk the hallways at all hours of the day and night, stealing cell phones, wallets, purses, laptops, expensive hospital equipment. Employees steal everything not nailed down to include drugs. And, security does not have a clue. What a place.

8/08/2016 08:31:00 AM  
Blogger MTS said...

I always love the graduation photos they manage to dig up. My fav was the Osama Bin Laden pic with a graduation cap. Posted right here by SCC.

8/08/2016 08:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...


It will never change until coppers stop working vri and start voting in every election. Could never figure out why coppers worked so many hours trying to provide financial stability for their families and let the politicians take as much as they want from you because you don't vote. Not to mention the fact that your grievances fall on deaf political ears because they know that you don't vote so they never have to support your positions on critical things like pensions. Coppers are shopping at the penny candy store and politicians are flying to Switzerland to buy their candy, all on your dime, or lack of a vote. Come on even convicted felons vote in this city, county and state but not coppers. I guess their to busy working vri so rahm doesn't have to hire police.

8/07/2016 10:19:00 PM

I am so sick of people coming on this site and saying cops don't vote. How the hell do you know? Prove your assertion, or shut the hell up. I don't personally know anyone on the job who doesn't vote, but I've sure driven to enough polling places for myself or a partner or co-worker, to make sure we did.

8/08/2016 10:03:00 AM  
Blogger BirdsnBlooms1 said...

Anonymous said...
This could have been a lot worse than it was... Shooting a car that has past you. What the hell are you thinking? Since when do you open fire at a car traveling at high speed, moving away from you and expect to hit the driver? Our so called expertise and training should have kicked in and stopped you. Or do you want to be the " hero ". Send these cowboys back to the academy... Mr Oneal isn't a saint here by any means. If it wasn't for his thug behavior we wouldn't be in this situation the first place. However, CPD needs to wise up and take the high road in these situations.
"This 'could have been a nightmare' if there were people standing around when those shots went off. Innocent people could have been killed by one coppers actions. CPD needs to wake up and smell the coffee... You are all turning into your own worse enemy...

8/07/2016 11:26:00 PM

'Could have been' but 'wasn't.' 'If there were people,' but 'weren't.'

'IF' civilians were in the area, it's probable the officer would not have shot the attempted murdering, credit card, car-thief, POS thug.
Too many if's, too many assumptions.

8/08/2016 11:53:00 AM  
Blogger BirdsnBlooms1 said...

We all know which photo MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NBC and CBS posted on their websites, Facebook and TV news.
In fact, I know the photo NBC used. Cap and gown...SMH!!!

8/08/2016 12:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And over the weekend a big meeting regarding the videos hosted by non other than 1st Deputy Escalante. Saturday morning meeting, first words out of his mouth, "We have to make this meeting shorter. I have to get my kids to a swim meet." Must be a really important meeting. Remember you and your kids' swim meet when you bring up the 15% bullshit!

8/08/2016 01:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

And over the weekend a big meeting regarding the videos hosted by non other than 1st Deputy Escalante. Saturday morning meeting, first words out of his mouth, "We have to make this meeting shorter. I have to get my kids to a swim meet." Must be a really important meeting. Remember you and your kids' swim meet when you bring up the 15% bullshit!

8/08/2016 01:59:00 PM
Johnny time to retire, you will get another 6 figure job deprive another man the job and your 6 figure pension don't go away mad johnny just go away far away and take ed and the rest of the lazy pathetic gold stars with you!

8/08/2016 05:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Ja'Mal D Green court date has been change to this coming Wednesday, August 10, 2016 at 9:00 a.m. at Belmont and Western. Please Share thanks for your support!

--Don't worry Judge Luckman will find No Probable Cause like he always does.

8/07/2016 10:36:00 PM

They call this the Chicago way. The fix is in. Finding of no probable cause. He will be free and his bottom feeding lawyer will sue. I wonder if JaMal will have letters of support from Rahm and Johnson???

8/08/2016 06:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am so sick of people coming on this site and saying cops don't vote. How the hell do you know? Prove your assertion, or shut the hell up. I don't personally know anyone on the job who doesn't vote, but I've sure driven to enough polling places for myself or a partner or co-worker, to make sure we did.

8/08/2016 10:03:00 AM
FOP started the voter registration drive because the breakdown of wards where police live showed that on the south and west sides on average 26% of police were registered to vote but doesn't mean they voted. FOP elections 2014 10245 votes were cast. Out of 6000 retirees and 10500 active members or a total of 16500. Retirees voted at 89% approx 5400 votes and active members brought in 4845 votes for a total of 10245. So here's my proof "Cops don't vote" when all you have to do is fill out the ballot in the convince of their own home and stick it outside for the mailman to pick up. Some people talk shit and others talk shit and can back it up.

8/08/2016 07:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FOP started the voter registration drive because the breakdown of wards where police live showed that on the south and west sides on average 26% of police were registered to vote but doesn't mean they voted. FOP elections 2014 10245 votes were cast. Out of 6000 retirees and 10500 active members or a total of 16500. Retirees voted at 89% approx 5400 votes and active members brought in 4845 votes for a total of 10245. So here's my proof "Cops don't vote" when all you have to do is fill out the ballot in the convince of their own home and stick it outside for the mailman to pick up. Some people talk shit and others talk shit and can back it up.

8/08/2016 07:52:00 PM

And so you extrapolate fop voting numbers and apply them to presidential elections?
What a joke. In other words, you have no proof.

8/09/2016 12:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"[Northwestern] hospital wants a "friendly" atmosphere and their security is worthless because the hospital does not want to pay for good security. The administration covers things up and security lies to the administration. All you need to do is ask for a visitors pass and you will be given one, they will not ask who you are or for identification. If you tell them you are the police they will block you and sometimes even send security up to the room to see if the patient wants to talk to you."

8/08/2016 08:31:00 AM

The old OLR -- "Community First" or whatever it is today -- is also a complete hostile clusterf__k. Even when family members have specifically told the hospital that a stranger is harassing a patient and that this person has no business there, the person walks right up to the desk and is given a pass every time -- if they bother stopping at the desk at all. Repeatedly. Stranger is told not to call the patient, they keep calling until we have to block the room phone and now family can't call either. Unbelievable.

8/09/2016 12:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bingo!

How many times when I was on the job I saw a crap load of what I call "tourist cops' strolling through a crime scene, and f-ng up evidence by leaving cig butts, pop cans, and other trash after they were done gawking at the scene. They would disappear and go back to doing whatever the hell they were doing before that to leave the working cops to try and sort it all out.

In this case, I saw a number of sergeants on the body cam video and heard none of them take control of the scene, - identifying officers involved, names, stars, beats, etc., who belonged at the location and who did not, etc. but they were in fact just nothing but more than added tourists walking around trying look busy, while waiting for someone else to take responsibility for securing the scene.

Get out while you still can.

And stay fetal!

And for those not the police and reading SCC you can relate this to what is called a "Gapers' Block" traffic jam when drivers slow down to look at a traffic accident.

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Anonymous said...

Real simple, when u r on the scene, keep your fuckin mouth closed and stay off
your own cell phone, you look so confused, no leadership anywhere, I mean fuck
the tape, the crime scene had everyone and there mother walk thru, u Sgt's and
Lt's don't know what the fuck your doing. The officer who allegedly fired the shot, keep's rambling on, how come they didn't take him to Ambulance and treat him 4
shock?

8/07/2016 12:03:00 PM

8/09/2016 01:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Assholes weeping over the death of a thief in an effort to screw the innocent out of some $'s. Good riddance! May he be followed by many more thieves.

J.J.

8/14/2016 01:58:00 PM  

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