Finally, Some Guidance
We've been begging for this for years now - a list of rules, laws, ordinances and societal norms that certain "communities" aren't going to be expected to follow. That way, we can get away from all this "profiling" nonsense that pervades the liberal progressive leftist narrative of the day.
Now a court in Massachusetts has begun the arduous process of listing those actions that all you naughty police should refrain from considering based simply on the color of one's skin:
Now a court in Massachusetts has begun the arduous process of listing those actions that all you naughty police should refrain from considering based simply on the color of one's skin:
- Black men who try to avoid an encounter with Boston police by fleeing may have a legitimate reason to do so — and should not be deemed suspicious — according to a ruling by the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court.
Citing Boston police data and a 2014 report by the ACLU of Massachusetts that found blacks were disproportionately stopped by the city's police, the state’s highest court on Tuesday threw out the gun conviction of Jimmy Warren.
[...] In its ruling, the court made two major findings: The justices said police didn’t have the right to stop Warren in the first place, and the fact that he ran away shouldn’t be used against him.
On the first point, the court said the description of the break-in suspects’ clothing was “vague,” making it impossible for police to “reasonably and rationally” target Warren or any other black man wearing dark clothing as a suspect. The court said the “ubiquitous” clothing description and the officer’s "hunch" wasn’t enough to justify the stop.
Tie this into Cook County's great strides in reducing prison sentences by bonding everyone who can write their name, electronic "monitoring" everyone else, allowing offenders with multiple gun charges to go to "boot camp" (in violation of sentencing laws), permitting felony shooters to plea to lesser charges, time served, day-for-day credit, etc, etc, etc...
"Totality of the circumstances" doesn't mean a thing any more in Massachusetts - coming to a state near you.
"Totality of the circumstances" doesn't mean a thing any more in Massachusetts - coming to a state near you.
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posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
51 Comments:
advance their people at all cost.
On the flip side of this seems that vice lords, gds, fours, Kings, saints etc have been handing out death sentences at a rate way higher than the current incarceration rate.
This country's leadership needs a BIG overhaul.
If you want to become Third World, just let us know so we can order our Jeep with the .50 Caliber mounted on the back. That way, we can drive through Chicago.
It's not like many officers here are going to engage in a foot chase, anyway. Think about it.
Ok , so we will need a whole new "system ". My guess is that another one is all queued up .
Wow it just keeps getting better n better every day
Damn-we need new leadership so bad in every facet of our society. You can stick with Hillary for the staus quo or hope Trumps law and order platform is for real. And if he turns out to be another cracker, he is fired at the next election.
ACLU is controlling police nationwide.
Do nothing proactive.
We concur SCC...
The Catered-To Constituents and their
Progressive Liberal supporters should
push HARD to overturn "bad laws" and
court rulings that "targets" a protected
demographic so that we, The Police can adapt and be
in compliance without being on the business
end of Departmental Discipline from suspension
to termination, Civil/Criminal Litigation
and Federal Prosecution that makes up the
new "Police Punishment Paradigm" for
enforcing said "bad laws" and court rulings
currently on the books that "targets" a
particular demographic.
>Snicker!<
Maybe "Tha' Communerty" can get all
outraged and grassrooty to have
Illinois vs. Wardlow and other such
taken off the books?
Then all this sound and fury about
"Police Reform" will die out once the majority
of Policemen come to understand that this is what
the community wants and what society is willing to
to tolerate.
No more eye-wetting and hand-wringing about
you big, strong, mean and insensitive racist,
heavy-fisted, angrily scowling blue collar type
Cops who are all royally whizzed-off because
it isn't 1960 anymore and you've FINALLY been
knocked down several rungs on the societal
hierarchy ladder to a place beneath those
who now boldly swinging their dicks and spreading
their particular brand of misery throughout
this city.
Back-Off.
De-Escalate.
Stop being so fast to slap handcuffs
on peoples and folkses.
Lord knows you can't knock a m/fer's
jaw through the back of his skull
for being all up in YOUR 18" of
"safe space" by standing on your toes
and blowing saliva in your eyes while
loudly telling you how he's going to beat
YOUR ass/follow you home from work and
fuck your wives and kids up and other such.
"Bad Optics" if you snatch some yapping mutt
in his collar and wring him like a dish rag
to get him off you.
Everybody is big on THIS dumb shit:
"The officers showed admirable restraint."
VS.
"The Officers took appropriate Police action."
Protect yourselves and each other.
Police Like You Have No Friends.
"Black men who try to avoid an encounter with Boston police by fleeing may have a legitimate reason to do so — and should not be deemed suspicious — according to a ruling by the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court."
I have been seeing spots lately.
Wonder how those judges would feel if that was their house that was burglarized
The new democraptic libtards america.
Ya know I think there are some people who placed a bet on the failure of our society... And who are now doing all they can to better their odds
WTF?! Our country is going to hell....
OT: Did you see the mayor running with the recruits? This guy thinks he is invited when he shows up to police and fire locations.
Many years ago, in a seemingly different universe, my partner and I ran down a M/1 yute right after a strong arm robbery was committed. When caught and asked why he ran from the police, he calmly and simply said, "cause that's what we DO". Nice to see nothing has changed after all this time.
Well at least we have "Illinois v. Wardlow" for now!
Law in Mass, has no binding authority here, could be persuasive argument however.
It's been said before but I honestly think the time has come to let the black communities police themselves. It's not worth it anymore. The level of non-compliance in these areas is ridiculous. So lets just leave them to their own demise.
So if the police try and stop you, just run. If anything happens to you, it's the fault of the police and you just won the Ghetto lottery! P.S. make sure you run with your hands up, if you are shot even if you put your hands down, the officer will be charged. Just site the Tulsa case. Proactive policing is over!
if a white guy runs can the police stop him? yes, that's a serious question. Reasonable suspicion is an objective standard. Would a reasonable man see the running as evidence that a crime is afoot? No, for a black man, but yes for a white man? Or is it no for a white man also? What about an Asian man, was that addressed?
The U.S. Supreme Court said in Illinois V. Wardlow (2000) (a CPD case)
The Supreme Court stating that fleeing in a high crime area at the sight of police is enough to create reasonable suspicion. Indicating that reasonable suspicion rest heavily on normal human behavior, stating that flight at the mere sight of police is a sign that there exists reasonable suspicion that criminal activity is afoot.
The only issue I see is whether the Boston case occurred in a high crime area. My personal feeling is - who cares if it's a high crime area. If someone in Winnetka sees the cops and flees he's probably dirty too. It's just a stop they are justifying, a 2 min. encounter, not an arrest.
cook county will I've you an I bond--even if you can't write your name----or it isn't even your name
Rather, the finding that black males in Boston are disproportionately and repeatedly targeted for FIO [Field Interrogation and Observation] encounters suggests a reason for flight totally unrelated to consciousness of guilt
So, the police are not even allowed to OBSERVE blacks??
It appears the officer is Hispanic ....
Some 30 minutes after the crime was reported, Officer Luis Anjos was driving in his police cruiser when he spotted Warren and another man, rolled down the passenger-side window, and yelled, "Hey guys, wait a minute."
Rather than talk to the officer, the court said, "the two men made eye contact with Anjos, turned around, and jogged down a path" into a park. They were apprehended after Anjos called for assistance.
I have been told by a Pilipino cop that he can't be accused of profiling because he is not White.
Fetal Frank here SCC. I want to thank all the politician on the left and citizens of the west and south side for my salary and new attitude. For the past year to the day I have turned in zero activity at the end of my tour. ZEROES!! I should have been "fetal" years ago. I get in my squad car and grab a coffee. I drive around the west side waving and smiling. Less stress and I make 100k a year. One hundred thousand dollars to turn in zeroes. I've been threatened by meritorious blowing Sgts. Even a couple of Lts and Captains. They even split me up from my partner for 12 years. Still coming in with zeroes. Hold the line boys and girls. You can't get fired or go to jail for not coming bringing in activity. You can go to jail or get fired for chasing hot cars, foot chases, wrestling with dope dealers or even a traffic stop. ZEROES equals HEROES!! Hold the line.
"Fetal Frank"
Actually I prefer ir when they run away.
Thomas Sewell made an interesting distinction some years ago related to "profiling" that someone might consider using in this type of incident. He said that while "racial profiling" may happen it is more likely that police and others use "behavior profiling" when they make decisions in the field. It is the behavior that attracts the attention to a person, not necessarily their race. Acting suspicious or like a thug gets someone "on the radar". Trying to running away is a suspicious "behavior" that more than likely indicates they are trying to hide something, etc. The recent case in Hagerstown where police pepper sprayed a female who was uncooperative after a traffic accident is a case in point. Her unwillingness to cooperate ultimately revealed that she was carrying drugs in her backpack. Should the police have just let her go since she didn't want to cooperate after being involved in an accident? Maybe in Mass. http://md-hagerstown.civicplus.com/DocumentCenter/View/3387
Ted Kennedy is so happy he is casket dancing right now.
The asshat judge doesn't seem to understand that coppers use their experience when dealing with this sort of thing. They don't just look for "dark clothing" but their "hunch" is based on years of dealing with the same sort of people over and over. Must be nice to know how it's done when you've never done it in the first place.
The govt will be taking over police departments in the near future bank on it.
To great Boston Police Department , you guys do a great job , but if this new thing goes sideways on you guys and gals , please please just keep the shitheads off of Hanover Street , love that area and would there if I could .
You have a a great city and great people and it would kill me and countless others if these assholes get their way with your department .
Now, lower courts can overrule Supreme Court decisions???
Btw, due to "equal protection under the law", EVERYONE, regardless of race and gender should now be able to run in Mass-not just black males.
Just wait until Kim Foxx and her "restorative justice" comes along.
I can't wait to put this shithole in the rear view mirror.
Citing Boston police data and a 2014 report by the ACLU of Massachusetts that found blacks were disproportionately stopped by the city's police,
An explanation of "disproportionately" would be nice. If you work in an all black area it would make sense that you would be stopping black people...
Common sense has all but died...
My advise is to avoid the "city amish" like the plague...
People get the government they deserve. And they should.
Just another way to make the job easier.
In others words "If they black you can't attack", #black lives and nothing else matters..
Dont worry the judges, ASAs, PDs, and every other political POS will be victims. Once society changes the rules of engagement to the point where "reasonable" means nothing less than a smoking gun and a confession on video tape the only citizens who wont be victims are those who are armed. Just dont pull you shit out too late.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT: Did you see the mayor running with the recruits? This guy thinks he is invited when he shows up to police and fire locations.
9/24/2016 06:59:00 AM
He's getting into shape so when he is run out of town by the same mob of savages that he now protects, better have his loyal civil servants run with him in case he snaps an ankle slipping in all the blood on the streets..
So the democratic state of Massachusetts is overriding the scotus? In its simplest form. If they run we can chase.
Our BCP holds forth --
"No more eye-wetting and hand-wringing about
you big, strong, mean and insensitive racist,
heavy-fisted, angrily scowling blue collar type
Cops who are all royally whizzed-off because
it isn't 1960 anymore and you've FINALLY been
knocked down several rungs on the societal
hierarchy ladder to a place..."
9/24/2016 01:49:00 AM
...where you can't do the most basic job a work of street policing anymore. Flick the spot and catch the M/F pelting PONG PONG PONG in his L.L. Bean Felony Shoes down the gangway 'side of the building where the call just came from with the elderly lady's 12" B&W TV under his arm, tripping over the trailing cord as he tries to hold his pants up with one hand and get a "video" with the other -- he has "ambiguous" clothing. Home free!
This whole deal is sliding off sideways into the latest unfathomably-deep-and-ever-increasing sinkhole.
This is bulls__t.
Gimme a Dietz And Watson dill pickle (See? I ate.) and a fifth a Knob Creek and I'll tell you more. Real loud.
*&^%$#@.
"This whole deal is sliding off sideways..."
9/24/2016 07:23:00 PM
Watch THIS. Over the roof of your place.
Comin' in!
The plane that flew sideways: Dramatic moment enormous Airbus A380 is rocked violently while battling severe crosswinds as it comes in to land
* Emirates A380 shakes from side to side as it flies over the roof of a house
* It performs a 'crab' landing technique and moves sideways into the wind
* Fortunately the manoeuvre is successful and the plane lands safely
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3803711/Dramatic-moment-enormous-Airbus-A380-rocked-violently-battling-severe-crosswinds-come-land.html
OMG, OMG, OMG.
Crabwise, like I say. Up there with Sullenberger, sliding it on on the river mid-city.
Maybe Mayor S__t gets another runway out there...
Fetal Frank you are the best.
Progressive Liberalism is a disease! Please, stop voting democrat
He's getting into shape so when he is run out of town by the same mob of savages that he now protects, better have his loyal civil servants run with him in case he snaps an ankle slipping in all the blood on the streets..
9/24/2016 05:46:00 PM
Did he run the whole run or just cut in at the end?
Why didn't the patrol of recruits just sit down in protest?
Does Daley really have Alzheimer's or is that a concoction so he will never have to appear in court or is it really Fedheimers?
Will the mumbling midget drop dead soon so I can go piss on his grave?
Watch THIS. Over the roof of your place.
Comin' in!
The plane that flew sideways: Dramatic moment enormous Airbus A380 is rocked violently while battling severe crosswinds as it comes in to land
* Emirates A380 shakes from side to side as it flies over the roof of a house
* It performs a 'crab' landing technique and moves sideways into the wind
* Fortunately the manoeuvre is successful and the plane lands safely
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3803711/Dramatic-moment-enormous-Airbus-A380-rocked-violently-battling-severe-crosswinds-come-land.html
OMG, OMG, OMG.
Crabwise, like I say. Up there with Sullenberger, sliding it on on the river mid-city.
Maybe Mayor S__t gets another runway out there...
9/24/2016 10:13:00 PM
Damn, you've got a fixation with the British press.
Don't you have anybody to have a normal conversation with, that you have to post stuff totally unrelated to policing here (and it's always from the British media)?
Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome is coming to America.......
Got 556??
so blacks can prejudge police, but police can't prejudge blacks
got it
Anonymous said...
Got 556??
9/25/2016 09:46:00 PM
About 3.5K of it and looking for more soon.
Reloading is on the table too...
Funny, these political appointees haven't heard of Wardlow......liberal fucking asshats
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/528/119/case.pdf
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