Light Holiday Posting
We're taking it easy tonight. Nothing too heavy. We're digesting the Use of Farce order, all 41 pages, and figuring out exactly what changed. So much of it is a rehash of previous orders and much of it is stuff the Department is doing already. The actual changes are subtle and the waffling to insulate brass (who don't work the street) and burn coppers (who do work the street) are pretty obvious.
Open post for various interpretations of the order.
Open post for various interpretations of the order.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
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OT.......big thanks to the female P.O. At 31st and State today for the marathon. Parking could have been a nightmare with my kid at IIT and my daughter in the marathon !
It's so good to have brass that look out for your best interests. //s
Dics class of 100 starts last Monday in January start date. Too many dics and others who would be teaching and speakers are gonna be on 13b furloughs so the are starting it in the end of january
For those of you that still don't get it, this order just proves that the city along with the department care more about being sued and bad press then they do about officer safety. Go right ahead and keep chasing people and fighting with people, if you don't lose the fight you're going to wish you did after the city and some scumbag lawyer get done with you.
Has it always been 2 hours to give a statement to IPRA?
Anyone taking any off duty action is nuts.
So will the shitheads who commit the crimes be subject to this as well? "Mr. Keef, when you performed that home invasion, was it necessary to beat the shit out of and sexually assault the privileged individual, or were there other, less violent methods of redistributing her wealth?"
Yeah, l didn't think so.
Just thinking.....teachers going to strike....wouldn't a citywide strike, or protest against Rahm be perfect? What a way to end his term, the only one he is concerned about is himself and other 1% ers. Even blm would jump on band wagon. We're being squeezed along with every other city worker. The only ones not hurting are the alderman and mayor, why is that? Are there health benefits diminishing? Are they going to pay more when retired? Why can't we put this out in the open and show how there not taking all the burden too? We're too busy looking at small things and not paying attention to who's really hurting us. We can accomplish a lot if we stand together and demand things. Hey, even blm understands that now, look at what they get away with, it's changing our lives as we speak. Do something.
There's people out there that have years of experience in dealing with people suffering from mental illness. How is it that 2 days of mandatory training and a week long CIT class will all of a sudden make police officers experts in recognizing "crazy"? It doesn't compare to people that have years of experience and knowledge. Let them deal with it. Just like we show up on scene if ems is needed we do the same if a mental health expert is needed.
10/09/2016 10:06:00 AM
I have noticed over the many years of law enforcement, that we are to be instant experts on almost all manners of life. EXECPT for the abliity to differentiate the likelyhood of violent tendencies of different groups of people. For THAT there can be no expertise.
http://lawofficer.com/2016/01/clinton-police-violence-and-white-extremists-are-as-big-of-a-threat-as-isis/
Hillary said, at the Black and Brown Forum, that "White terrorism" and the Police are just as dangerous as ISIS..... smh
Thank you to all the CPD and CPD people who are up early to make the marathon a sucess.
I retired 2 years ago and now competed in three runs in 1 year.
I lost 25 pounds and a ton of stress. Get out and work it out.
I plan on taking my pension until I hit 109 year old.
Happy Columbus Day.
cya at turkey trot.
Trump looked bad in last nights debate.
Again the city is putting it in writing. DO NOTHING!!! Look the other way drive extremely safe and courteous do all jobs including shots fired or other in progress calls. The Democrats should get the kind of police they want just report takers and move on. Go home safe to your Family. Stay out of jail and let the animals continue kill themselves. Not one single boss has your back on this job. Please just go home safe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And where is President Dean Angelo during all these proposed changes? That is a very good question. Why would he not have a press conference after that Officer was hurt Friday for not choosing to use deadly force for fear of backlash. Not a peep out of Dean for this or just about anything. If he is suppose to be the voice for Police Officer's and Detectives why does he choose to stand silent?
Cover Your Ass time.
Sgt Matt Brown IAD retired good bye!!! Retirement party in gate shack at Headquarters!!
My perception for quite some time has been that Rahm would rather have dead cops than bad press, and that the "press" would rather feed a false narrative than tell the truth. I pray for CPD officers every day.
These assholes are really making it easier for U to do NOTHING at all. If anyone gets hurt by following this G/O, make sure U file suit against every asshole who had any input into devising this new order.
Sue, Sue, Sue and do NOTHING Proactive.
Fuck all of them.
Keep Palm Springs officers and St Louis county in your prayers. We lost 3 more officers murdered by gunfire last week responding to disturbance calls. I'm sick to my stomach thinking how many officers have been killed this year alone.
NOBLE is an unethical organization.
The corrupt members will be brought to justice.
The Sgts involved in the cheating Lt scandal will have to answer for their corrupt sins.
This investigation will not be swept under the carpet.
All I know is....The politicians who are screwing us, are getting free health care for life with A Zero deductible. Not even a slim chance that they will ever lose that benefit...ever.
Twenty and out. Not a day MORE will benefit you any further. Leave the city now, RUN AWAY! The city is circling the drain anyways... You will still be young enough to get a full time job with benefits. If your wife works, and has health care, you're golden! If your living an alternative lifestyle, and your significant partner works, then you're golden too. The libtards wanted it that way.
Enjoy retirement...Some things don't always work out like we planned. Improvise and overcome. Now, we need to get the city to pay into our pension plan, or we will lose that.
This whole loss of retiree healthcare is crap but show me, prove to all the claim of politicians getting free healthcare with zero Deductible. Post the part of their contract or the ILCS statue that provides this so called benefit to them. I hear people all the time make this claim and have not seen once any proof of it. Just like the claim that an alderman serves one term and is fully vested in their pension.
Post the proof or stop spreading false info. It make us all look like idiots
Any updates on the 2 PO"s from 15? As usual the local media carried it for a day, Rahms (not ours) Superintendent talked about for about 2 days, our FOP never discussed it, just want to know both POs are home and doing well. I hope everyone is aware that if 2 police POs just started whooping some poor citizens ass, the media would lead off every broadcast, the mayor and supt. would be holding press conference after press conference. Along with a city hall meeting to reform something. And they wonder why they have to lower the standards to get people to apply for this job.
Wake up. All the stuff that is being implemented now is what the feds are going to do anyway. The more the city does now the less will change when the Doj makes the recommendations.
Coming to a precinct near you...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-V2arHXwq8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Anonymous said...
Dics class of 100 starts last Monday in January start date. Too many dics and others who would be teaching and speakers are gonna be on 13b furloughs so the are starting it in the end of january
10/10/2016 12:31:00 AM
Is the Koschman crew of delicate minds still teaching the Homicide lead investigator's class?
Anonymous said...
Anyone taking any off duty action is nuts.
10/10/2016 01:33:00 AM
taking any off duty action unless it is of an immediate life saving nature such as someone shooting, is just plain nuts. you are correct. Call 911 and wait for the police to show up. I have seen way too many good intentions turned on the officer
The JCCIA 64th Annual Columbus Day Parade today.
Great weather today and it should be a nice event.
One of the few events left that haven't been renamed or cancelled, terrorized and overtaken by Rahm's Kids.
I wonder if PrickWrinkles has a float?
8.5 & 4.75 — Stay Fetal
Order reads, If you see danger..Run away
I find it interesting that crooked Hillary can defend the rapist of a 12 year old girl and laugh about it, but defense attorney Hillary proclaims herself a defender of women’s rights which incidentally is reinforced daily by her surrogates and by the mainstream media. This archived video of her laughter is not important to air since it may dirty up her “women rights” image. A 12 year old everyday American daughter sexually assaulted by a child predator and not a peep out of the media as to the superb lawyer skills by a now presidential candidate.
Did anybody catch the Sunday Sun Times article linking Mayor Daley (D),Mark Vaneko (D-in training) and Ed Burke (D) to a shady taxpayer funded deal at 33rd & Pulaski. Lots of taxpayer money squandered and misappropriated. Kind of reminds me of the involvement in the C.P.D. pension scandal involving the former Mayor Daley's nephrew Mark Vaneko. Remember it was Mark Vaneko, a lawyer and lobbyist, who negotiated the 10 year contract Lallapalooza which if I recall was exempted from taxes. The company running the music festival was non other than C3 run by Ari Emanuel brother of now Mayor Rahm Emanuel (D). And you thought Mike Madigan (D) with preferential property tax treatment for clients of his law firm was scandalous.
The deck is stacked boys and girls, so glad I have 1 yr left, fuck this. CPD is not the problem, statistics don't lie. black on black crime and that culture is the problem
OT .... when will the Dept. release the body cameras from the officer beat-down in 015??? The public has a right to know.....
Not a fan of the new use of force order. officers will second guess themselves. with the new use of force, officers have to be one level lower than the offender. the department wants you to de-scalate. one must also explain more thoroughly of why excessive force was used. policing is dead.
10/10/2016 06:56:00 AM
Explain how he looked bad
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Dics class of 100 starts last Monday in January start date. Too many dics and others who would be teaching and speakers are gonna be on 13b furloughs so the are starting it in the end of january
10/10/2016 12:31:00 AM
With a large class of 100 detectives, the classes will be held at 35th street. The academy will be filled with recruit classes. 35th street has the space for a large class.
Anonymous said...
Trump looked bad in last nights debate.
10/10/2016 06:56:00 AM
I thought he looked pretty dapper.
Was just informed my commander CKS (Deuce City) and Xtra Ordinary MM get nuts when they read their names on the blog. So I hope she and he enjoy the fact that they may be the worse command staff duo EVER in the history of the Chicago Police Department! My favorite is when they blame specific beat cars for a homicide because the were on lunch or break when it happened. Idiots, both of them.
Have a happy Columbus Day...!!! Unless that offends you.
In light of this being Columbus Day and it being almost mid-October, copy and paste this picture that is sure to kick start that Halloween spirit filled with ghouls, goblins, witches and...
http://news.gonzaga.edu/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/JusticeAward_JR-450x300.jpg
"...IAD retired good bye!!! Retirement party in gate shack at Headquarters!! "(10/10/2016 07:52:00 AM)
UPDATE:
The event was cancelled and rescheduled elsewhere along 43rd St.
Since no deposit was received and strong arm tactics were ignored, the guard boof was offered to a lesser known Lt.
Unfortunately the LD PO on 3rd watch will have to sit on a bucket outside and manually operate the gate until the festivities are over.
Light rain is in the forecast. An attendee is reminded that parking may not be readily available.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anyone taking any off duty action is nuts.
10/10/2016 01:33:00 AM
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Hell man, anyone taking any on duty action is nuts.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Has it always been 2 hours to give a statement to IPRA?
10/10/2016 12:56:00 AM
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Yeah that's not really out of the ordinary. It all depends on the investigator and what the beef is for. I've been down there several times for two or 3 hours for bs unfounded crap and down there for a half hour on pretty serious allegations. So no, two hours is no biggie.
OT .... when will the Dept. release the body cameras from the officer beat-down in 015??? The public has a right to know.....
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Yeah they do but the officer does not want them released. Who really wants their parents, family, wife/husband or kids to have to see you almost die? It's up to the officer. Don't try and use this so you can get sympathy from the public. I'm sure you posted enough on Facebook about it so people can comment to you how they wish you would be safe because your job is so hard. It's the officers call, not yours and frankly screw the public and media and what they want to know. No reason for her kids to see that.
"I find it interesting that crooked Hillary can defend the rapist of a 12 year old girl and laugh about it..."
10/10/2016 01:25:00 PM
If you would understand Bill and Hillary as the psychopaths they are, read Dr. Herve Cleckley's classic The Mask Of Sanity, available here for free download as a .pdf.
"Imagine - if you can - not having a conscience, none at all, no feelings of guilt or remorse no matter what you do, no limiting sense of concern for the well-being of strangers, friends, or even family members. Imagine no struggles with shame, not a single one in your whole life, no matter what kind of selfish, lazy, harmful, or immoral action you had taken.
"And pretend that the concept of responsibility is unknown to you, except as a burden others seem to accept without question, like gullible fools.
"Now add to this strange fantasy the ability to conceal from other people that your psychological makeup is radically different from theirs. Since everyone simply assumes that conscience is universal among human beings, hiding the fact that you are conscience-free is nearly effortless.
"You are not held back from any of your desires by guilt or shame, and you are never confronted by others for your cold-bloodedness. The ice water in your veins is so bizarre, so completely outside of their personal experience, that they seldom even guess at your condition.
"In other words, you are completely free of internal restraints, and your unhampered liberty to do just as you please, with no pangs of conscience, is conveniently invisible to the world.
"You can do anything at all, and still your strange advantage over the majority of people, who are kept in line by their consciences will most likely remain undiscovered.
"How will you live your life?"
http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath.htm
Kinda like a CPD promotional exam.......
Wikileaks: New York Times Caught Providing Bill Clinton Questions Before ‘Interview’
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/10/wikileaks-new-york-times-caught-providing-bill-clinton-questions-before-interview/
So when is the department going to promote more Lts like the DOJ wants them too.
"Dics class of 100 starts last Monday in January start date. Too many dics and others who would be teaching and speakers are gonna be on 13b furloughs so the are starting it in the end of January."
And the next class of sergeants will diminish the new detectives class ranks, and reduce the total new dicks. Those sergeants will then brag about their time as a detective, and never tell anyone they were a detective for only 6 weeks.
These sergeants will then schmooze the detectives brass saying that they have the experience to get into the D unit...some will make it, and still wont have a clue what it is that detectives need to do their job.
The Band plays on....
Anonymous Anonymous said...
So when is the department going to promote more Lts like the DOJ wants them too.
10/10/2016 09:04:00 PM
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DOJ reviewed the testing process that CPD gives for promotional exams. Look for the entire testing process to change drastically. LTs and Sgts lists might not be up for as long as people thing... Im not saying they are going to get ripped down or anything because obviously its been too quick and more will be made however, once that DOJ report comes out it will demand that the testing and selection process is overhauled thus eliminating the existing lists from the old test. If these lists stay up for two years from now I would be very, very surprised. They Fed wants the entire human grading factor taken out of testing. Im guessing 100 or so more LTs made off this list and 100-200 more sgts from that list and by that time the report should be out and the city will have no choice except to get rid of the list from the old testing process. Exact same thing happened in LA and the exact same thing is currently happening in Baltimore.
Was just informed my commander CKS (Deuce City) and Xtra Ordinary MM get nuts when they read their names on the blog. So I hope she and he enjoy the fact that they may be the worse command staff duo EVER in the history of the Chicago Police Department! My favorite is when they blame specific beat cars for a homicide because the were on lunch or break when it happened. Idiots, both of them.
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Do you mean Cmdr. Crystal King-Smith? Yeah, in my OPINION she was the absolute worst when she was in 007. Would try to approve arrest reports and spout off about how things should be done which she absolutely had no clue about. She wouldn't know probable cause if it walked up and hit her in the face. I actually think, that its possible that she has never written an arrest report or testified in court on a REAL criminal case in her career. If she has, then she sure fooled me every time it came to reviewing police work and commenting on how the legal system works. CLUELESS is an understatement but hey, thats what makes her a great "leader" in our department. This pick was eddies equivalent to the promotion of the "burger queen" years back by a past Supt.
Was just informed my commander CKS (Deuce City) and Xtra Ordinary MM get nuts when they read their names on the blog. So I hope she and he enjoy the fact that they may be the worse command staff duo EVER in the history of the Chicago Police Department! My favorite is when they blame specific beat cars for a homicide because the were on lunch or break when it happened. Idiots, both of them.
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If it wasn't for his membership in NOBLE, MM would still be pushing a beat car.
>>>Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Trump looked bad in last nights debate.
10/10/2016 06:56:00 AM
I thought he looked pretty dapper.
10/10/2016 04:43:00 PM<<<
He sounded like his allergies were acing up like mine are.
He said he was going to put Hillary in jail. (We could only hope.) This played badly to many levels of people across the country. Certainly she deserves it but it made him sound super vindictive and not someone you would want as Commander in Chief.
On the locker room talk, he apologized, it was private and never meant to be published. He might have added, that he knows a lot of women executives and I am sure that the talk between themselves in their locker rooms is just as raunchy and private.
What he should have said was, "I am sure on his last days in office, President Obama will sign a blanket pardon for you, your husband and the entire list of your co-conspirators and order all the incriminating evidence ad records destroyed or sealed for seventy-five years. But, I will make it one of my top priorities, for the sake of history and the American people that every criminal act you and your gang did down to the last detail is documented, published and preserved forever."
The last audience question was, "What do you admire about each other?'
Trump should have said, "Mrs. Clinton is extremely loyal to and protects her husband no matter what he does."
Stay Safe. Protect our pension, our rights 2nd Amendment and all the rest.
Register everyone you can and VOTE TRUMP.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
So when is the department going to promote more Lts like the DOJ wants them too.
10/10/2016 09:04:00 PM
The Department has to first determine how many of the cheaters will be fired first. I'm guessing around 10-15 including Cato, Winters, Boyd, Green, Fenner, Wysinger, and Ward.
Know who you work for, and the bullshit they expect--i.e. Society... Know what will happen to you for going of track and doing what you wanna do--- i.e. Official misconduct in court, or terminated. There is was a tac recruit in 010 who hammered an asshole, take his example if you need one, it's in the news
"Lay down the Law" should now be "Lay down, the Law"
Traffic stop: NO
ISR: NEVER
Arrest: Only on signed complaints and if I really need to
Report: Sure how many do you want?
Parker: Sure, if I'm in the mood.
Lights and sirens: Only if a copper in need
Pursuits: Not even on foot
Anonymous Anonymous said...
NOBLE is an unethical organization.
The corrupt members will be brought to justice.
The Sgts involved in the cheating Lt scandal will have to answer for their corrupt sins.
This investigation will not be swept under the carpet.
** Good god, you still believe this? Nothing is gonna happen! It will just....go away. You and I will probably both work
for Commanders Green, Fenner, Hall or Ward before we retire.
CTU forced Rahm to did in to his and his corporate buddies slush fund. Rahm was forced by CTU to use the city TIF to meet the obligations of this contract. Great job CTU, can you call the FOP and give them directions on how to get its members a favorable contract!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
So when is the department going to promote more Lts like the DOJ wants them too.
10/10/2016 09:04:00 PM
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DOJ reviewed the testing process that CPD gives for promotional exams. Look for the entire testing process to change drastically. LTs and Sgts lists might not be up for as long as people thing... Im not saying they are going to get ripped down or anything because obviously its been too quick and more will be made however, once that DOJ report comes out it will demand that the testing and selection process is overhauled thus eliminating the existing lists from the old test. If these lists stay up for two years from now I would be very, very surprised. They Fed wants the entire human grading factor taken out of testing. Im guessing 100 or so more LTs made off this list and 100-200 more sgts from that list and by that time the report should be out and the city will have no choice except to get rid of the list from the old testing process. Exact same thing happened in LA and the exact same thing is currently happening in Baltimore.
10/10/2016 10:40:00 PM
The newsies pressured Daley to answer a question once (can't recall what prompted this) and he responded he would GUARANTEE promotional exams would be given every three years. And, of course, he did no such thing.
Giving frequent tests is a win all-around. You get a better-educated workforce, you get happier campers who don't have to worry the test this year is the ONLY one they'll see in their career. Your supervisors are then better prepared to handle issues, because they're very familiar with the orders, and your 9161's are more familiar, too, have studied them more recently than just way back when they were in the Academy.
Frequent tests will save the City (some) money on lawsuits, certainly more than it costs to administer a test. They will improve morale (well, it really couldn't get any lower, could it). They will cause the best to rise to the top, because the City will always take only the top scorers and not have to scrape the bottom of the list.
Of course, this assumes the 'merit' percentages will be forced downward by the DOJ. If they reviewed the merit packages of those who've received merit promotions, they'll have seen how rigged they are. Hopefully, they'll address it.
They only made 166 off of the list so far. Long ways to go before they take it down. I'd say you're safe if you scored under 450.
@1:09pm comment
"Scrap" the bottom of the list?! I'd say scoring top 500 in a test where over 6000 officers took a test is pretty damn impressive!
Should always promote the top 500 scores off the LIST. These people saying scrap the list must rank in the 2000's. Not gonna happen. DOJ report will REQUIRE #'s to increase everywhere. DOJ will not allow the city to drags it's feet and give another test and have to wait another year or so for results to be sent home. Nope. These lists are here for at least another 3 - 4 yrs.
The only test they are gonna keep giving every 2 years or so will.most likely be the FTO test.
DOJ reviewed the testing process that CPD gives for promotional exams. Look for the entire testing process to change drastically. LTs and Sgts lists might not be up for as long as people thing... Im not saying they are going to get ripped down or anything because obviously its been too quick and more will be made however, once that DOJ report comes out it will demand that the testing and selection process is overhauled thus eliminating the existing lists from the old test.
Since when does an existing list become eliminated? Only when a new list comes from a test. The city is not going to be giving any more promotional exams in the next 3-4 years. And that's according to a supervisor and high ranking boss at personnel and HR. Lists will stay up for a minimum of 5 years from the test date. These lists will go over the normal numbers in past because the DOJ wants all ranks back to or close to their past # strengths. The DOJ will not allow the city to drag it's feet on bringing #'s up. Sgts list is only in 160's. Expect this list to go upwards of over 425 this time around. Last list ended close to 420 or so. So Stop with the bullshit regarding a new test or list being taken down. These things are not gonna happen. If you want to know when a test may be given try paying attention to when people like Dr. Bernstein start FOIA requests to the city regarding any upcoming exams. He seems to get info quicker than most as to when these tests may be given. That's a better indicator of future exams then some person on here saying the DOJ is going to do this or that.
I have one for you only merit promotions if in the top 500 for sgt , top 250 for Lt and top 500 for detective
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