Dunphy on De-escalating
- Among the challenges faced by today’s police officers is trying to stay abreast of the latest fashions in law enforcement training. The challenge is all the greater when those fashions are dictated by politics, and greater still when adhering to them can get you killed.
Witness the latest fashion in police work: “de-escalation.” This is supposedly a novel concept that encourages officers to be more circumspect in their use of force against resisting suspects, even those who are armed with weapons. “Slow it down,” begins a recent Los Angeles Times story on the topic. “Police haven’t always been trained to think that way. They’re supposed to take immediate control of a situation, resolve the problem and move on to the next call. There are always more calls.”
The story goes on to cite last week’s killing of Alfred Olongo by a police officer in El Cajon, Calif., a suburb of San Diego. The shooting engendered several days of protests in the area, some of them violent. The clear implication of the story is that if police had but employed these de-escalation tactics with Olongo, the use of deadly force might have been averted.
Remember, this is the guy who pulled this classic move:
Even liberal bleeding-heart media-types who have gone through "shoot, don't shoot" scenario training shoot this type of assailant 100 times out of 100. The instinct to protect one's own life is the overriding factor, let alone your typical copper's desire to actually protect innocent people, too.
But you know and we know, everyone else is an expert at police work nowadays. In the meantime, go read the entire article at the link.
But you know and we know, everyone else is an expert at police work nowadays. In the meantime, go read the entire article at the link.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
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And guys are still out there running and gunning after the animals.
Reyes said the three officers were standing near the front door speaking with the man, "trying to negotiate with the suspect to just comply," when he suddenly shot them.
killing 2 and wounding one
Seems to me the officers died trying to de-escalate...
Blogger MTS said...
And guys are still out there running and gunning after the animals.
10/09/2016 12:11:00 AM
You are damn right. In busy districts I can not tell you how many times these young kids will chase after a vehicle that either did not stop for a t-stop or after the car stops and the officers get out of the car, the car takes off on them. Guys and gals, you CAN NOT CHASE a vehicle if they failed to stop or took off on you if the basis of the t-stop is a traffic violation only.
Another one is foot chases. These young kids think it is fun and exciting to get into a foot chase and catch the bad guy for: dope, dopw or drum roll please- reckless conduct.
The only end result of such idiotic actions are: a CB number (big fucking deal), you get your ass kicked and dude walks out of the station without a scratch on him in a few hours or things do not go as planned, you use either physical force or deadly force and then the department looks at the matter from 17 different angles at slow speed and they conclude your actions were not reasonable and in violation of the law and general orders. In other words, you are fucked.
Act quickly and affirmatively or you might be the dead one.
Three officers shot in CA; two are dead ~ one of them was retiring in December and the other was a female officer who just went back to work after having a baby....RIP
Do what you need to do to survive. Don't do what the female officer in Chicago did last week ( not second guessing ) or the Officers on the west coast. Do not forfeit your life or health to comply with an order. And a BIG Fuck You to Eddie Johnson and those Chicago politicians for pandering to the criminals in society and for throwing CPD Officers under the bus. YOUR lack of leadership Eddy could cost one of our CPD Officers their lives. I thought you were a good choice when first given the job. I was wrong. You are the worst Superintendent in CPD history and that includes Jody Weis. You sold the guys and gals of the CPD out for personal gain. Only the worst type of person does that. Leave now before someone get's killed because of you and maybe history here will forget you and your incompetence.
How crazy is this:
https://youtu.be/bP1rMjxM2ic
I guess dying counts as de-escalating in the liberal mind.
After nearly 35 years in law enforcement I learned as little about medicine and emergency medical care. Now that I'm retired I think I am going into the field of reviewing deaths of patients due to malpractice on part of the doctors doing brain surgery and other procedures. I think I'm just as qualified as those reviewing police procedures.
America is slowly moving towards the British model of policing.Soon all off duty carry will be restricted or rescinded. You will have armed patrol units with the guns locked in a safe in the truck.
My new duty belt has all the latest policing tools. Several 12 inch ostrich feathers to help promote laughter to the active resister. An oversized glow in the dark clowns nose to help break the ice. A double barrel confetti gun. If things really hit the fan, an 8 ounce can of silly string. Now pull my finger...
This is absurd, we already de escalate. There will be split second desisions where you can not get a word out of your mouth, yet alone a gun out of your holster.
I have always been great at de escalating and was nearly killed on the job. I used to be a liberal democrat and have plenty of college credits. Take my word City hall - DO NOT PROCEED WITH THIS SYSTEM.
There will be 4 police murders and 900 homicides next year if you do.
Reyes said the three officers were standing near the front door speaking with the man, "trying to negotiate with the suspect to just comply," when he suddenly shot them.
killing 2 and wounding one
Seems to me the officers died trying to de-escalate...
^ Negotiations failed.
Every situation is different and can't always be escalating contrary to the fairytale belief of some of these folks that don't know jack about being the police.
Please post concerns and comments during the comment period on this new and improved bullsh*t use of force policy.
The city would rather you die than you kill someone it's less money that has to be paid out in the ghetto lottery. These new orders really show your life dosent matter!
Bring flowers to a gun fight, So they can put them on you're grave.
Great article by Dunphy! Spot on !
Protect yourself at all costs and go home to your Family!
OT; I hope and pray for a speedy recovery for the P.O. who suffered a beating
at the hands of that savage.
I don't think all that many people want cops to take unnecessary chances, but there have been a fair number of relatively high profile shootings across the country that likely could have been avoided had police chosen to act in safe manner but with a slightly different mind set.
Some people need immediate shooting though.
There have also been a bunch of police chases precipitated by minor offenses that have resulted in serious injury or death to completely innocent bystanders that would have unequivocally been avoided had police not chosen to engage in a chase. From the outside looking in it is very hard to understand why at least some cops think that catching some guy who ran a stop sign is worth my life.
The reality is that video is not going away and police departments are going to have to figure out how to deal with it, and preferably sooner rather than later.
NAC
Someone pulls a knife, tries to strike me with a bat, points a gun at me, well be shot in a split second. Sorry but my life is more important then worrying about the media or any of this nonsense their pushing on us. If it looks like you have to de-escalate a situation, I'm just driving away and leaving the scene. Hey Tank Head EDDIE BOY, take your de-escalation bullshit and shove it up you ass.
More police being killed
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-palm-springs-shooting-20161008-snap-story.html
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-sergeant-steve-owen-killed-20161006-snap-story.html
Don't know the exact details but the attacks on the police orchestrated by the White House had to be in the back of their minds, they saw what happened to the officers in Ferguson and Baltimore from a PR and legal perspective. Not to mention facing a DOJ investigation.
Now we learn that the Democrats are coordinating with George Soros in their anti police campaign:
All quotes:
Leaked emails from Hillary Clinton campaign manager John Podesta’s personal email account published by WikiLeaks reveal the Clinton campaign’s coordination with George Soros’s Open Society Foundations on the subject of police reform.
Soros, who has given almost $10 million to Clinton super PAC Priorities USA, is a major funder of Black Lives Matter. The Washington Times reported in August that Soros has given at least $33 million to the group through the Open Society Foundations (OSF), which he funds and controls.
. . . . A December 2015 email exchange between Podesta and OSF president Chris Stone was included in the batch of Podesta’s emails released by WikiLeaks on Friday.
“Hi, John. Your policy team was asking me for ideas on police reform a couple of months ago. Here’s a concrete idea I’ve written up, and a good hook for it in Chicago,” Stone wrote.
Stone attached to the email an article he wrote that advocated putting federally-funded bureaucrats in charge of police oversight.
“Thanks Chris. Will circulate. Hope all is well,” Podesta replied.
“As well as can be. We are now officially and formally undesirable in Russia. Hope you are thriving!” Stone shot back. “From where I sit, things look good for your team.”
http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/10/wikileaks-emails-suggest-hillary-campaign-engaged-in-illegal-coordination-with-soros/
I don't know how the police can tolerate this and still do their jobs.
Try searching for the picture of the object the dead guy pointed at the Police, it could and was easily mistaken for a stealth weapon with a black composite body and stainless or metallic barrel. It was an e-cigarette that could be mistaken for a weapon in a high stress situation, but they don't want to reveal that.
And oh where were all the protestors when the sister called for help, standing back and saying that m/f'er is crazy.
and another left out part of the narrative is that this clown was an illegal
immigrant with 2 felony convictions who ICE tried twice to deport back to Africa but they wouldn't take him
Anonymous said...
Reyes said the three officers were standing near the front door speaking with the man, "trying to negotiate with the suspect to just comply," when he suddenly shot them.
killing 2 and wounding one
Seems to me the officers died trying to de-escalate...
10/09/2016 02:21:00 AM
And, sadly, it won't be the last time.
I live in a city adjacent to El Cajon. That was a righteous shoot. Pretty obviously the guy wanted "suicide by cop" from his actions. The thugs and protesters were violent (the media downplayed it, of course) and not just from El Cajon. As is the practice now, many traveled to play stupid games
Frank G
Deescalate is a liberal term. Designed by blockhead politicians on the demand of community activists.
Yesterday, two Palm Springs Po's didn't have a chance, neither did the LA Sgt. last week.
The El Cajon immigrant asshole got what he deserved.
Special Ed wants to pander, let him and his staff respond to calls and practice some of that bullshit they been preaching.
All they have to show is you didn't give the assailant an opportunity to calm down and your career is over.
Don't get involved. Stay fetal.
Slow it down just a shade too much and you're dead. Which is probably not much of a margin to begin with.
This isn't relevant to this particular article, but it is relevant to the bigger picture: Ben and Jerry's Ice cream has announced its support for BLM, and has issued a screed claiming rampant systemic racism in America.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2016/10/07/ben-jerrys-face-boycott-endorsing-black-lives-matter/
So long Ben and Jerry's, I love your ice cream but if that's your stance, you won't be seeing any more of my money.
You'll certainly never see the day when they make a statement that Blue Lives Matter.
Spread it around, folks , and encourage a boycott. The only language these jerks really understand is money, so stop feeding their bank accounts. I really don't think the "community" will buy enough ice cream to make up for their lost sales to decent Americans.
This is what we need to do. File a law suit against the city and the Civilian agency that is going to judge you right away. The FOP should do this right away every time you are being questioned by anyone other than a law enforcement agency. We will tie them up in litigation and beat them at there Own liberal game.
Not a cop. What's dopw?
I called for the use of the CAPS suckers or lollipops put to use many years ago.put a large sedative in these candies and hand them out in the violent areas.they eat the CAPS suckers and pass out. CAPS=complete @sshole put to sleep. Also, we need a happy meal unit on stand by. So the angry, violent people can be given a heavy sedative in their food too. De escalation at its finest! Everyone gets a big happy nap!
I suggest in next contract ,FOP asks to raise mandatory retirement age to 67 .
I am 59 now , excellent health , with rise in health insurance , 1.5% cola at age 60 , I will gladly work until 67 yrs old .
I work straight days , take all major holidays off , two summer furlough , two baby furloughs , a few medical days a year .
I'll hang in as long as I stay healthy , also unlike the 20%!management on days . I arrive on time , write school absentees , Parkers and a couple movers . Think about it , win , win for old timers ,city , and pension fund .
There have also been a bunch of police chases precipitated by minor offenses that have resulted in serious injury or death to completely innocent bystanders that would have unequivocally been avoided had police not chosen to engage in a chase. From the outside looking in it is very hard to understand why at least some cops think that catching some guy who ran a stop sign is worth my life.
The reality is that video is not going away and police departments are going to have to figure out how to deal with it, and preferably sooner rather than later.
NAC
10/09/2016 10:37:00 AM
I completely agree.
Police should stop enforcing the laws.
Silly police!
It's not like a parking ticket ever identified a murderer.
Or some guy who ran a stop sign just committed a felony and that's WHY he ran a stop sign.
Those silly police!
What does the middle class black community think about this, dude runs rampant in their neighborhood it's just noticed more on the north side, sure our children will be getting robbed but their children are getting killed. It's their problem not mine, hands off back off.
First few months on the job, I was sprayed with OC by a fellow officer. Not much longer after that, I ended up spraying a fellow officer in the face. I stopped carrying OC spray.
While attempting to cuff an offender, I placed my knee on the offenders back. Some officer whacked me in my knee with an ASP.
During a melee in Grand Crossing Park, I was whacked in the head with an ASP.
I found out the only use for an ASP was for knocking on doors. I stopped carrying an ASP.
Attempting to place an offender in custody who was resisting, a Sergeant let his taser go, it was a bit windy that day. One prong struck the offender, one struck me. I've never carried a teaser. I never will.
Maybe I'm incredibly unlucky. But I found on this job, all you need is your hands, cuffs, and a gun. 13 years on, I have yet to be proven wrong.
10/09/2016 03:42:00 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Not a cop. What's dopw?
10/09/2016 04:05:00 PM
Drunk on Public Way or Drinking on Public Way depending on the municipal statute.
After reading the article about our new use of no force policy, and what Officer VM said about not wanting to pull her gun on the guy bashing her head into the pavement, I came up with something that REALLY bothered me. Here are our choices as dictated by the ACLU,BLM, DOJ, and department:
1) Take whatever beating is coming and go IOD - Get paid tax free
2) Go on disability (if necessary)- Get paid tax free
3) Get killed by offender - You're 6 feet under, but -Family gets life insurance $$$, $$$ from feds, $$$ from police memorial fund, etc, etc.
4) Pull your gun and kill the bad guy: Your name and address published, no privacy; Get suspended, no pay; Get fired lose pension and no pay; Go to jail no life, no pay, no pension, family fucked.
In this climate, Option #4 really isn't an option, is it?? What she said makes perfect sense. Bothers the heck out of me, but makes sense.At this point, why carry a gun? All part of the agenda.
As in Tulsa one of the Officers deployed Taser, the other utilized lethal force.
The Tulsa Officer who deployed lethal force has been arraigned on manslaughter charges, Only time will tell if excessive force was evident in El Cajon.
@ 10/09/2016 05:53:00 PM
Damn, maaannn...
No disrespect but maybe you're just
flat out snake-bit?
Congrats on making it this far.
Survive.
Evade.
Retire.
Escape.
I suggest in next contract ,FOP asks to raise mandatory retirement age to 67 .
I am 59 now , excellent health , with rise in health insurance , 1.5% cola at age 60 , I will gladly work until 67 yrs old .
I work straight days , take all major holidays off , two summer furlough , two baby furloughs , a few medical days a year .
I'll hang in as long as I stay healthy , also unlike the 20%!management on days . I arrive on time , write school absentees , Parkers and a couple movers . Think about it , win , win for old timers ,city , and pension fund .
10/09/2016 05:23:00 PM
Are you fucking nuts!
Maybe I'm incredibly unlucky. But I found on this job, all you need is your hands, cuffs, and a gun. 13 years on, I have yet to be proven wrong.
10/09/2016 05:53:00 PM
Yet to be proven wrong. Until the split-second you ARE proven wrong. Good luck.
Anonymous said...
This isn't relevant to this particular article, but it is relevant to the bigger picture: Ben and Jerry's Ice cream has announced its support for BLM, and has issued a screed claiming rampant systemic racism in America.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2016/10/07/ben-jerrys-face-boycott-endorsing-black-lives-matter/
So long Ben and Jerry's, I love your ice cream but if that's your stance, you won't be seeing any more of my money.
You'll certainly never see the day when they make a statement that Blue Lives Matter.
Spread it around, folks , and encourage a boycott. The only language these jerks really understand is money, so stop feeding their bank accounts. I really don't think the "community" will buy enough ice cream to make up for their lost sales to decent Americans.
10/09/2016 03:12:00 PM
You must have missed the memo. Police have been boycotting Ben and Jerry's ever since they declared their support for the cop killer Mumia Abu-Jamal.
If you want another reason to boycott them, the company has been selling "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" t-shirts for over a year, in furtherance of the false Ferguson narrative.
First few months on the job, I was sprayed with OC by a fellow officer. Not much longer after that, I ended up spraying a fellow officer in the face. I stopped carrying OC spray.
While attempting to cuff an offender, I placed my knee on the offenders back. Some officer whacked me in my knee with an ASP.
During a melee in Grand Crossing Park, I was whacked in the head with an ASP.
I found out the only use for an ASP was for knocking on doors. I stopped carrying an ASP.
Attempting to place an offender in custody who was resisting, a Sergeant let his taser go, it was a bit windy that day. One prong struck the offender, one struck me. I've never carried a teaser. I never will.
Maybe I'm incredibly unlucky. But I found on this job, all you need is your hands, cuffs, and a gun. 13 years on, I have yet to be proven wrong.
How many times you been struck by lightening ?
"Maybe I'm incredibly unlucky. But I found on this job, all you need is your hands, cuffs, and a gun. 13 years on, I have yet to be proven wrong."
I doubt you have 13 years on...
How about some wits, luck ,good work ethics, a good partner, and LEADERS, not bosses???
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I don't think all that many people want cops to take unnecessary chances, but there have been a fair number of relatively high profile shootings across the country that likely could have been avoided had police chosen to act in safe manner but with a slightly different mind set.
Some people need immediate shooting though.
There have also been a bunch of police chases precipitated by minor offenses that have resulted in serious injury or death to completely innocent bystanders that would have unequivocally been avoided had police not chosen to engage in a chase. From the outside looking in it is very hard to understand why at least some cops think that catching some guy who ran a stop sign is worth my life.
The reality is that video is not going away and police departments are going to have to figure out how to deal with it, and preferably sooner rather than later.
NAC
10/09/2016 10:37:00 AM
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Hey NAC you know what you are exactly..? NOT A FUCKEN COP! You are the case in point example of what we are talking about when we reference the absurdity of people who have zero expertise and experience allowed to dictate what we do on a daily basis. You are entitled to your opinions as a tax paying citizen of course but you should have no business or authority effecting policy. Unless you know ... You want to strap on a vest and a gun and get out there and patrol the savage west and south sides of Chicago and perform the myriad number of services we provide all with professionalism and within the legal constraints.
But here's a little free lesson for you: running a red light or stop sign may seem like a minor and petty offense. But you know what's not? Running from the police because of that red light or stop sign. An individual who has the audacity to run from police on the drop of a hat as such is the kind of asshole who is a serious threat to public saftey. You know..the kind of person who would hit a child while running that traffic sign and keep going. These people aren't afraid of police what do you think they would do to you, a non cop, if you tried to stop them or call them out for their criminal behavior?
The city pays out millions to criminals. Along the lines of the previous poster, we should be asking for at least a mil for an on-duty death, 5 mil for a line of duty death, next contract.
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