New York Again?
Why don't we just import their command staff? Oh yeah, we tried that - FAIL:
- Even before President Donald Trump tweeted a threat to send “in the Feds” to curb Chicago’s gun violence, he was saying on the campaign trail that there was a simple solution to the bloodshed: police should get tougher.
Chicago should follow the lead of New York City, Trump’s administration has said, and crack down on even the smallest offenses.
It turns out Chicago Police Supt. Eddie Johnson visited the New York Police Department weeks before the Trump administration advice. But what he gleaned from a city that has achieved long term success in fighting crime was more nuanced than a Trump-inspired police crackdown.
Johnson came home with ideas aimed at increasing community trust by using technology to get Chicago police officers out of their squad cars, and putting new cadets in neighborhoods to walk the streets and talk to locals.
CPD tried that, too - the new kids were skipping (delaying) their training cycled due to not having enough FTO's, running around the west and south sides, unsupervised, in some of the most violent areas of Chicago, generating thousands of what turned out to be improper Contact Cards. Fucking brilliant that was.
- “We are only as strong as the faith the community has in us,” Johnson said.
Gaining that community trust will be a tall order in a city suffering from a toxic brew of rising violent crime in some of its poorest neighborhoods along with anger at police after the release in 2015 of a video showing a white police officer shooting black teenager Laquan McDonald 16 times.
And again - one cop, one incident, hardly indicative of the Department as a whole...unless you accept the narrative being peddle by the media, the ACLU, Sparklefart's administration, assorted "revunds" with axes to grind and the activists looking for the next big pool of grant money.
- That lack of faith has had grave consequences in Chicago where many people living in high-crime neighborhoods are reluctant to help police solve them. While the number of homicides surged to the highest in nearly two decades last year at 762, the percentage of those murders solved by police fell ten points to 26 percent, according to a University of Chicago Crime Lab study. In New York, police solve about 70 percent of homicides.
“We need them (witnesses) to come forward and give us the information so we can put these bad guys in jail,” Johnson said.
In one example of Chicago’s dilemma, the police department is struggling to draft a new policy on the use of force. An October proposal prompted concern from the police union that the restrictions were so tight officers would put themselves in danger to comply. A new draft released Tuesday would give police more latitude in deciding when to fire their weapons, which pleased the police union but prompted concern from community activists about excessive force.
An excessive force problem that still hasn't been proven to exist by any legitimate data...just the declaration by the ACLU and the unsubstantiated, uncorroborated and unattributed stories told to an outgoing Department of Justice determined to put another feather in its cap.
Does anyone ever wonder how many DOJ investigations DIDN'T result in a finding of unconstitutional "patterns and practices?" We'll give you a hint - it starts with a "Z" and ends with an "ERO." That tells us the fix was in the start.
Does anyone ever wonder how many DOJ investigations DIDN'T result in a finding of unconstitutional "patterns and practices?" We'll give you a hint - it starts with a "Z" and ends with an "ERO." That tells us the fix was in the start.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
44 Comments:
Guess what special ed. I don't care if we ever solve another one of these murders. They have to live there I just visit for 8 hours a day. They can solve their own problems.
God forbid the scum should be taught to act like human beings who possess a moral compass, instead it is always the cop's fault! Cops have to gain community trust. What does the community give back? Absolfuckingultely nothing!!! Animals in the zoo, no in the wild, have more knowledge as to the laws of nature established by God, than the scum who inhabit parts of Chicago.
"many people living in high-crime neighborhoods are reluctant to help police solve them"
I'm a real estate broker who works in neighborhoods like East Garfield Park and North Lawndale on behalf of investors. These people don't just not talk to cops, they don't talk to anyone for any reason. Its in their culture to not care about one another.
Example: I'm about to walk into a vacant renovated multifamily. I hear water spraying even from the outside. "Neighbor" is standing on her porch watching me. I ask if she knows if anyone is in there, as a matter for my safety, not to report to the police - she "doesn't know anything [substitute ebonics]" and goes inside. I walk in and ALL copper was gutted to the meter which was spraying water. Couldn't have been much more than an hour before because the basement was still semi-dry.
No no no - she didn't see nothing though. 100s of lbs of copper walked out, she's on the porch all day, but can't f-ing tell me yea, there's a chance some wacko is in there so don't go in. Thanks. That's about how much they care about one another and their own communities.
Yes sir, SCC. And one of the authors of the anecdote laden DOJ report, Zachary Fardon, bid Chicago farewell as he leaves his post as US Attorney for Northern IL. His parting remarks included pushing Chicago to accept and sign a Federal consent decree. An interesting observation was that we should stop trying to "police on the cheap" with inadequate funding. Certainly some truth in that remark, are you listening, Rahm? Or are you too busy painting a bike lane Emergency Zone on the 606 trail so the next mugging victim can be found by the ambulance crew?
Retired .38 spl +P
The contact card craze that McCarthy was demanding is the reason why we're where we are today.
Foot patrol again? Go walk around for 8-16 months and forget your training, then get sent to a different ghetto with no refresher training. Then we wonder why a guy shoots at a fleeing vehicle after it's down the block.
Only severe measures can curb this current violence. The current administration does not have the balls to use them.
I find the superintendent's trip to New York "concerning"
McCarthy just go back to New York, !!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Yes sir, SCC. And one of the authors of the anecdote laden DOJ report, Zachary Fardon, bid Chicago farewell as he leaves his post as US Attorney for Northern IL. His parting remarks included pushing Chicago to accept and sign a Federal consent decree. An interesting observation was that we should stop trying to "police on the cheap" with inadequate funding. Certainly some truth in that remark, are you listening, Rahm? Or are you too busy painting a bike lane Emergency Zone on the 606 trail so the next mugging victim can be found by the ambulance crew?
Retired .38 spl +P
3/14/2017 01:41:00 AM
Under very difficult circumstances with Barry in charge things spiraled down word quickly and this US attorney is leaving just wonder how much more pressure he had to not really do the job that needed to be done due to the Democratic criminals in charge just wonder also who the replacement will be God willing the Democrats in charge will not be taken seriously if they offer a replacement that is a pet for the Democratic criminal enterprise in this city state and county. Hoping and praying that the team Attorney General Jeff recessions is getting together and training now coming to the City Hall like gangbusters and absolutely look at everything involved in the bookkeeping in the offices in the positions the violations of federal law by keeping criminal illegal invaders in our city and load up the busses bring them all to the federal building and prosecute according to law law and order is back.
The major difference between NY and Chicago is they spend the money, dont do shit til this fuck at least tries to fund our pension NY is fully funded. You can ask Rahm to spend his communion money thats his, in fact all the money is his and he's giving it to his millionaire friends first.
You can't "police" democrats. They never do anything wrong and if they're caught doing something wrong, it's always someone else's fault!
Liberal democrats are un-American. They only want American taxpayer dollars to pay for the welfare of every illegal alien and every other liberal democrat on the planet.
Their actions speak louder than words. In the destruction of America, the first thing that has to go is the law and the men and women enforcing those laws.
Chicago just has a better start than the rest of the country. If things don't change, Chicago could reflect what the rest of the country will be.
Stay safe Officers.
J.J.
Those communities didn't care for police way before the MacDonald case.
Until the elephant in the room is addressed, nothing will change in that direction.
--No Cop Here
Is the real reason for the desire for Fed involvement in street crime (which is a local and state responsibility) so there is less time and resources to look into corruption? Look there, not here!
One minute Rahm says we have to lower our standards for hiring. Then he says we have such a stringent recruitment process, which weeds out the bad apples. Which is it?
Of the 60 that didn't graduate the CPD academy over the last 4 years:
How many of those left for the CFD?
How many of those left for other Departments?
How many actually failed?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-chicago-police-academy-met-20170314-story.html
Farndon and Collins also remarked about the ACLU dictating Policing with their application for violation of civil rights contact card which pushed Cops to wave hello and keep driving.
And another comment about the gangsters posting cash bonds for violent offenses while the poor poop butts sit up in CCJ on property crime charges, of course they are eating and sleeping in doors instead of in Police facilities or Libraries
Off Topic;
News bite saying CPD has a 97% Graduation Rate, while the entire country averages 86/87% tops? Are we letting 10% just skate and pass through like in our schools?
(t)rump is the reason these prosecutors got shut down
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The contact card craze that McCarthy was demanding is the reason why we're where we are today.
Commander (Deputy Chief) MP followed that mans leadership and pushed her officers to do more contacts. If the officers failed to meet the given "index" level, she disciplined them by dumping them from their cars and broke up partners. One officer took his own life after his life was disrupted with her discipline (broke up partners) over what she felt was a lack of activity (now that was a little extreme I know. RIP brother). How was she dealt with? Promoted of course. Self proclaimed "New Sheriff in town". I wonder if the contact card index printouts are still available for viewing. Updated daily, I remember contact card missions. That was the beginning of the end of real policing in Chicago. Brought to us by outsiders and merit bosses.
Zero tolerance is the only way to go
First of all Jugghead Special Ed spent a few days in NYC sampling the bill of fare. From pizza to Nathans.
If he came back with anything more than a full wallet and heartburn I'd be surprised.
The whole obama-rahm DOJ query was a scheme to deflect Rahm's responsibility and knowledge off what transpired.
If they want a NYC style policing, then get rid of shameless Merit Hacks, keep the PD free from City Hall meddling.
It easy to blame the flunky patrolman for a misjudgment on training. All Rahm has to say is that he tried, we on the other hand get run through the media and IPRA-COPA.
Anyone who is still willing to go out on a limb for Special Ed and Rahm will be always be sorry, after the fact when reality sets in.
Speaking of New York and Garry, we hear another scandal involving him is about to hit. Not the Jackson one either, but very similar circumstances.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Yes sir, SCC. And one of the authors of the anecdote laden DOJ report, Zachary Fardon, bid Chicago farewell as he leaves his post as US Attorney for Northern IL. His parting remarks included pushing Chicago to accept and sign a Federal consent decree. An interesting observation was that we should stop trying to "police on the cheap" with inadequate funding. Certainly some truth in that remark, are you listening, Rahm? Or are you too busy painting a bike lane Emergency Zone on the 606 trail so the next mugging victim can be found by the ambulance crew?
Retired .38 spl +P
3/14/2017 01:41:00 AM
Fardon makes some good points in his letter:
http://abc7chicago.com/politics/dear-doj-chicago-us-attorney-leaves-letter-on-way-out-door/1798469/
We need to flood those neighborhoods with local and federal law enforcement officers" wrote Fardon. "Not just to arrest the bad guys but also to be standing on that corner where shots otherwise might get fired, to be breaking up those corner loiterers, and to be meeting and learning and knowing the kids, the people, and the truth of who are the good guys, who are the bad guys, and who isn't yet formed and can be swayed."
(Flood the neighborhoods great idea except we will be accused of racism and other things and the dishonest 24/7 media will be bashing us,as our inept command staff bow down to the thugs and criminals).
Fardon, in his going away letter, stated: "Some people recently have said bring in the National Guard. If you care only about the short view, maybe there's some attractiveness to that notion.
(the alderman object to this they are scared of law and order being restored they must be "comfortable" with the excessive blood flow!)
Simple concept have the mayor the 50 and of course the toni and tommy team resign immediately it would be a positive start! "the fish stinks from the head down!"
The parallels between fighting crime here and the Vietnam war... are mind boggling. An old vet told me a few years back" now you know how we felt".
(OT) daughter was planning to vacation in mexico but not now:
http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2017/03/14/us-state-dept-warns-college-students-against-spring-break-travel-to-mexico.html
Stay and spend your money in the USA as president trump said "America first" and obviously safer!
The Chem trails over New York City sedates the criminal.
put all the lower standard hires on ballerina security detail
watch him , his wife and kids
Dean was responsible for 2% being added to our paycheck to pay for healthcare back in 2001 when he was on the contract negotiating team and he lied to the members and he was voted out of office. Dean is responsible for 2% being added to the 55 and out insurance as he was on the contract negotiating team last time around and he should be voted out of office this time as well. Not to mention that he will have no standing in negotiating our upcoming contract as he will be a retiree in 3 months and retirees cannot negotiate, vote on or propose anything regarding active officers. Why the f*ck would we want him, a retiree negotiating our contract. We already have 10 retirees on the board of directors who can't do anything for active officers. He will screw every officer on th
3/14/2017 01:32:00 PM
Fardon is correct with flooding areas but we have vri which does nothing now where's my DVD player at?we don't have anywhere near the personnel to do this and with our command structure being weak and scared tossing coppers in front of so many busses "forget about it"
May I suggest a "Contract with the Black Community"?
Police will "enter the community" only when asked by an authorized member empowered directly through this contract to ask.
Police will only police in such a way as asked, again, by one empowered to ask.
Police will only leave "the community' with a offender, when asked, again by one empowered directly by "the community".
The one empowered to ask, when they ask, assumes any and all responsibility for the police actions taken AND said requester WILL take ALL responsibility for delivering "community support" up to and including testifying in court against the offender.
Will "the community" agree?
Then STFU. Until then, "the community" is getting exactly what it demanded.
Cops - stay safe, stay away from areas where you are not wanted in the first place.
(OT) 1045 hrs. today another expressway shooting road rage they're saying this time the Wildwest has come here and is staying on our expressways are city is being destroyed total destruction real God bless you I don't know what you're going to do about all this but you took a big responsibility when you decided to take the big job with the big paycheck so just hoping that everything turns out OK for you the state budget Shirley is not enough to hire more state troopers which are desperately needed.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-state-police-kennedy-expressway-shooting-began-as-road-rage-20170314-story.html
The United States attorney that just left Fardon said in his going away letter that we need to flood the neighborhoods with more police in order to stem crime well we need to flood the expressways with more police to stem crime but what we really need is judges to do their jobs and incarcerated the criminals death the thugs and anyone else that violates the law. But then again we have a mayor and elected individuals who violate federal immigration laws blatantly and even using Chicago text payers money to find lawyers to protect him which is totally ridiculous and way against the law.
Study the NYPD tactics that restored civilization in the mid 1990s.
Also study Frech counter terrorist tactics that worked in French Algeria 1950s.
Alderman John arena 45 ward on Facebook said he was getting complaints from residents about people against housing project harassing them,I found them very nice,I'm not a cop,did anyone get a call to respond to this,cause I'd think people would call police before alderman,it his Facebook post
Anonymous said...
The major difference between NY and Chicago is they spend the money, dont do shit til this fuck at least tries to fund our pension NY is fully funded. You can ask Rahm to spend his communion money thats his, in fact all the money is his and he's giving it to his millionaire friends first.
3/14/2017 07:48:00 AM
I don't think Rahm ever got any communion money.
The community has no faith left. The faithful are leaving by droves. Thanks Obama you did a great job as being the leader of the wickedest of the wicked. God bless the USA.
The time to battle the cancer war of Chicago crime is now. We have to start now. Use by all means needed to retake Chicago must start with the feds coming in and showing no holds barred. Show a stance in the spring and arrest. Bust them for everything. Flood the jails. Win.
President Trump needs our backs and we are armed and will stand our county's ground. Make America Great Again. MAGA. Enough.
Wrong wrong wrong! You don't need to tell the people on the west and south sides who is doing what. They live there...Remember... Also, why would you risk your life stepping forward as a witness when this same criminal has been arrested many times over and very little/ nothing was done? The politically connected judges don't care. That " community cooperation" is liberal garbage. You need to let the police do their job, support them, force judges to do their job and enforce the law,eliminate I-bonds, and stop the lies.
The actual difference between CPD and NYPD is this: NYPD is run by the Police Commissioner. CPD is run by the Mayor.
3/14/2017 10:22:00 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The time to battle the cancer war of Chicago crime is now. We have to start now. Use by all means needed to retake Chicago must start with the feds coming in and showing no holds barred. Show a stance in the spring and arrest. Bust them for everything. Flood the jails. Win.
3/14/2017 10:33:00 PM
I would say that 98% of the Chicago Police Department myself included agree with you but until it is put in writing that we are backed by the federal government for doing our jobs we will stay in self-preservation mode because jail is not a good place for a hard-working honest streetwise Chicago police officer.
New York headline 1 year ago
New York City Murder Rate Drops To Historic Low
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nypd-low-crime-first-quarter-2016_us_5702b0dae4b0a06d580653e3?utm_hp_ref=new-york-crime
De Blasio said the statistics are linked to an increased focus from the New York City Police Department on getting guns off the streets — the NYPD has already seized over 800 guns, a more than 15 percent increase compared with the first quarter of 2015. Gun arrests are also up by about 13 percent, de Blasio said.
(Well that is a great idea)
One of the few categories that rose in the first quarter was stabbings and slashings, Bratton said, with 899 so far this year. (There were 746 at this point last year.) The NYPD is increasing its focus on that category and Bratton said he is “comfortable” saying that statistic will also come down over time.
(Get rid of guns use knives)
Bratton defended the NYPD’s reduced number of stop-and-frisks on Monday, calling it “precision policing” and predicted that by year’s end the NYPD will probably hit about 25,000 stops — a dramatic decrease from a peak of almost 700,000 stops in 2011, under Mayor Michael Bloomberg.
(Precision policing that's the secret less stops but be more precise, working vri need more precision spilled my coffee, got magazine wet more precision)
(OT) isnt this dishonest lying media reporter from New York?
http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2017/03/15/rachel_maddow_s_trump_taxes_scoop_was_a_cynical_self_defeating_spectacle.html
Rachel Maddow Turned a Scoop on Donald Trump’s Taxes Into a Cynical, Self-Defeating Spectacle
This is a criminal action hope Trump takes action and locks her up, and also that pos snoop dog who made a video imitating shooting the president lock them both up please before it gets worse!
President Lori Lightfoot could be a longshot as a potential candidate for Chicago’s new U.S. attorney prompted this Lightfoot response:
“Dear Mike: I have no interest in being a part of the Trump administration in any capacity. I believe in bipartisanship. . . . But I also believe in the rule of law, justice, empathy and the truth. These are not just quaint notions, but to me concepts that must be at the core of our justice system and what actually makes America great.”
Dear Lori Lightfoot,
And, back at you. The Trump Administration has not an iota of interest in recruiting you, so do not worry! Now you know how I, and many others, felt while Barry Sotero was in residence at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Get used to it!
A Proud Trumpeteer
P.S. Do not give me shit about not signing my name. I am proud, not stupid. You Lefties are freaking crazy!
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