Sunday, April 16, 2017

Weed "Illness"?

So first, weed was supposed to be a "miracle cure" for all sorts of illnesses. Now, weed is causing "illness" in users?
  • For more than two years, Lance Crowder was having severe abdominal pain and vomiting, and no local doctor could figure out why. Finally, an emergency room physician in Indianapolis had an idea.

    “The first question he asked was if I was taking hot showers to find relief. When he asked me that question, I basically fell into tears because I knew he had an answer,” Crowder said.

    The answer was cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome, or CHS. It’s caused by heavy, long-term use of various forms of marijuana. For unclear reasons, the nausea and vomiting are relieved by hot showers or baths.

    “They’ll often present to the emergency department three, four, five different times before we can sort this out,” said Dr. Kennon Heard, an emergency room physician in Aurora, Colorado.

    He co-authored a study showing that since 2009, when medical marijuana became widely available, emergency room visits diagnoses for CHS in two Colorado hospitals nearly doubled. In 2012, the state legalized recreational marijuana.
CHS? They just made that shit up. Next thing you know, excessive Twinkie cravings, a desire to sleep all the time and the inability to get/keep a job will be further "symptoms" of this imaginary illness. And we can almost guarantee that Colorado will come up with some for of "disability" payment for the afflicted.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was talking to a guy from Colorado--- he told me the problems that come to a democratic utopia after marajuana is legalized---- problems such as assholes moving to your state to collect disability, free rent, no job, and to smoke weed all day long. Yay!!!!!! Come on guys.... At some point in time, shithouse collapses in on itself like that house did in poltergeist.

4/16/2017 12:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I bet it exists like that whole "restless leg syndrome" that is supposedly out there. Someone call Michael Flatley!

4/16/2017 12:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One Colorado manufacturer -- they made elaborate stage sets, animated sci-fi monsters, etc. for movie production use -- told of how he ended up moving the business to another state to find unimpaired employees. After legalization, his quality control and scheduling all went right down the toilet.

The stuff available today is far, far stronger than the old 2% ditchweed of the '60s...and don't tell me it improves your driving, either.

4/16/2017 12:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thus Sayeth SCC:

"He co-authored a study showing that since 2009, when medical marijuana became widely available, emergency room visits diagnoses for CHS in two Colorado hospitals nearly doubled. In 2012, the state legalized recreational marijuana."

"...And we can almost guarantee that Colorado will come up with some form of "disability" payment for the afflicted."

Just as an aside...
Are the northern counties of Colorado still hotly debating
whether to secede from the rest of the state to escape the
California-bred fuck-nuttery emanating from Denver?

They shit all in California and ruined it.
Now they're fleeing their handiwork and setting
up to parasitize and ruin other great western states.

Beware the bright and shiny, oppressively/obsessively
chirpy m/fer who pulls up to the table and says
"Lets make more rules" when things are essentially
running themselves.

4/16/2017 12:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's a blessing that these demorat misfits overdose continually. One less demorat means America is that much closer to saving itself.

4/16/2017 12:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How anyone can argue against the legalization of weed when alcohol is legal is stupifying. The range of symptoms of various debilitating diseases it alleviates is enough. Those that continue to support it's outlaw stand on nothing but naive tradition and some sort of misunderstanding of moral superiority. There is data on how many deaths are caused each year by alcohol and tobacco that state the two outpace firearm related deaths by more than 10 times. I'm not saying alcohol and tobacco or firearms (love me some 2A) should be illegal, but to continue to ban marijuana is hypocritical to say the least.

4/16/2017 01:04:00 AM  
Blogger The Keesing Bandit said...

I was wondering why all those potheads were joining the bathhouse gang. I thought it was just my stellar personality.

Now, kees me you fool!!!!

4/16/2017 06:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Presenting cannabis as "medicine" is nothing more than a back-door way of getting weed legalized. There are NO medicinal effects of smoking weed. In fact, there already exists pills that far exceed any medical benefits of cannabis.

Smoking cannabis will NEVER officially be recognized as "medicine'" by the FDA. Why? Because the smoking of cannabis (basically an unfiltered cigarette) does incredible long term damage to the lungs. It is also impossible to come up with correct dosages, etc.

Personally, I think cannabis SHOULD be legalized. It's a complete waste of time arresting people for weed. However, weed should be recognized for what it is, a way for people to get high. Not medicine.

4/16/2017 06:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This self inflicted disease will have to be considered a disability of some kind, if the worthless idiots smoking it all the time can't keep a job, someone will have to pay for their stupidity and their next bag of "medicine". I'm sure the liberal democrats in Colorado will come up with plenty of taxpayer dollars to take care of these douche bags.

J.J.

4/16/2017 06:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just say no to drugs!

4/16/2017 07:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sometimes if i drink to much milk i get constipated.
Is there a name for this????

4/16/2017 07:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...





They're making all kinds of things up.

Invent a theory that sounds clever, get a sensation seeking half-wit in the media to write about it, the public accepts it at face value because no one wants to ask any hard questions, and the next thing you know it becomes orthodoxy.

4/16/2017 07:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh, i'm in so much pain.
time to twist up another big chief.

4/16/2017 07:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Disability payments, treatment and state assistance is needed for these unfortunate people. The FDA may have to step in.

4/16/2017 09:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No wonder Obama looks sickly on that island.

4/16/2017 10:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cannabis causes less problems than alcohol. Furthermore, all drug users report they first started drinking alcohol, so ban alcohol.

Legalizing Cannabis is being fought tooth and nail by two special interest groups, cops and lawyers.

Legalize now.

4/16/2017 10:02:00 AM  
Blogger Don Curtis said...

No, there was never any serious consideration to the northern counties to cede and form a new state. We're heavily conservative up here, but the liberals jacked us up by gerrymandering so many of us are represented by an asshole super liberal Jared Polis. Fucking Boulder is almost as bad as Berkeley... and Polisloves it.

4/16/2017 10:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Legalize it save Illinois, Chicago and the Pensions we will have hundreds of millions of dollars in additional tax revenue!

4/16/2017 10:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
I bet it exists like that whole "restless leg syndrome" that is supposedly out there. Someone call Michael Flatley!

4/16/2017 12:17:00 AM

It's disappointing that there are people that don't think RLS is a real issue. Before my back surgery there were many times I'd toss and turn all night because of the discomfort in my legs caused by RLS that went along with the sciatica. You literally can't stop from moving your legs due to the discomfort. Just consider yourself lucky that you haven't had to real with RLS yourself, because it's not a very pleasant experience.

4/16/2017 10:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I myself suffer from FPCS. Frequent pizza consumption syndrome

4/16/2017 10:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
How anyone can argue against the legalization of weed when alcohol is legal is stupifying. The range of symptoms of various debilitating diseases it alleviates is enough. Those that continue to support it's outlaw stand on nothing but naive tradition and some sort of misunderstanding of moral superiority. There is data on how many deaths are caused each year by alcohol and tobacco that state the two outpace firearm related deaths by more than 10 times. I'm not saying alcohol and tobacco or firearms (love me some 2A) should be illegal, but to continue to ban marijuana is hypocritical to say the least.

4/16/2017 01:04:00 AM

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because pot is not part of our culture. Leave that to the Asians. Alcohol, on the other hand has been part of out culture for what 10,000 years?

4/16/2017 10:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First, I don't care if you smoke your brains dead. I just don't want to support the lay abouts. I retired couple years back and we took the RV and Ran! As fast as I could from the east coast tax you to death crime ridden shit holes.
We volunteered in a National Park in Colorado and what we noticed was most jobs that weren't state, federal or just didn't need drug screening were more then likely filled by folks enjoying the new found pot smoking freedoms.
For us it was very entertaining watching them attempt to give you the customer service you were expecting. Best was when they entered the park and broke out their new found smoking freedoms to show everyone how its done, until the Rangers arrived with hand cuffs and ticket books because its federal land. Lol, and I didn't have to be involved for the first in? Well who wants to remember. ahhh the first summer in retirement was great!

4/16/2017 10:50:00 AM  
Blogger Cuthbert J. Twillie said...

>>>>> Crowder, who has been off all forms of marijuana for seven months. “Now all kinds of ambition has come back. I desire so much more in life and, at 37 years old, it’s a little late to do it, but better now than never,” he said. <<<<<

Stop the presses. News Flash: Being a Stoner and Smoking dope regularly turns your brain into mush and you become a lay-about waster. The only 'ambition' you have is to get more pot and an unlimited supply of Ruffles. Of course those of us who lived through the Hippy Era of the late 60's could tell you that. But hey, what did us non-dope heads know, 'pot was harmless' we were told.

And I'd sure like to sit in on Mr Crowder's first real Job Interview for when he's asked; 'Uhhh...Mr Crowder, your Resume is blank going back to when you were 21 years old. What were you doing for the past 26 years?

I trust he knows that 'Getting High' is the WRONG answer.

Oh well, I'm sure he can handle saying, 'Would you like Fries with that?' That's the only job he's qualified for.

4/16/2017 11:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Reefer Madness" is real and true.

4/16/2017 11:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NAFTA trucks in bales of herb and heroin to the cartels of Sanctuary Brighton Park every day.
Rahm welcomes the industry.
Morons like Turbin Durbin and Duckworthless are on board to legalize recreational marijuana in Illinois.
Liberal City and State officials can't regulate firearms, drug abuse, (or even public education) how in the frig are they going to control another vice product?
Dope is for dopes and folks over fifty.

Furthermore, AlderStooges should be subject to drug testing and financial audits every six months, 48 of them are apparently under some influence.

4/16/2017 12:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

nonymous said...
How anyone can argue against the legalization of weed when alcohol is legal is stupifying. The range of symptoms of various debilitating diseases it alleviates is enough. Those that continue to support it's outlaw stand on nothing but naive tradition and some sort of misunderstanding of moral superiority. There is data on how many deaths are caused each year by alcohol and tobacco that state the two outpace firearm related deaths by more than 10 times. I'm not saying alcohol and tobacco or firearms (love me some 2A) should be illegal, but to continue to ban marijuana is hypocritical to say the least.

4/16/2017 01:04:00 AM

to say the least you are very much uninformed and are using old arguments . Maybe I am naive and stupefying but smoking anything is just not helpful. What is in marijuana, whatever that is no one really knows, can be extracted. THC has been available in pill form for many years. You don't have to smoke and get high

4/16/2017 02:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Illinois is now considering legal recreational weed. But, hold the presses!! US Attorney Jeff Sessions has turned the entire matter of legal weed over to his own study group and they are brain storming the issue as we speak. He won't reveal his plans or intentions at this point, but I suspect that medical marijuana laws will be left alone but recreational marijuana will be out and the feds will go after the producers and growers. No one, not even a democrat has called for marijuana to be taken off of level 1 drug schedules

4/16/2017 02:54:00 PM  
Anonymous "The Joker" said...

Maybe we can prescribe Heroin for "weed sickness"...

How dumb are we getting in this country...?

4/16/2017 02:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

I was talking to a guy from Colorado--- he told me the problems that come to a democratic utopia after marajuana is legalized---- problems such as assholes moving to your state to collect disability, free rent, no job, and to smoke weed all day long. Yay!!!!!! Come on guys.... At some point in time, shithouse collapses in on itself like that house did in poltergeist.

4/16/2017 12:07:00 AM

"They're he-eeere!"

Hell...
We already have all manner of re-animated cadavers
percolating through the ground here and in other
progressive utopias.

A

4/16/2017 03:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was wondering why all those potheads were joining the bathhouse gang. I thought it was just my stellar personality.

Now, kees me you fool!!!!

4/16/2017 06:34:00 AM
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I love a nice bath house, cause why would I take a bath at home

4/16/2017 03:36:00 PM  
Anonymous CppThis said...

This is actually kind of a big deal because one of the major arguments in favor of legalizing recreational marijuana is that it has few long-term health risks compared to alcohol, tobacco, etc. Personally I'm on the side of making it legal but if this CHS thing has some fire behind the, ahem, smoke, it could make the debate a lot more interesting.

4/16/2017 04:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know we're ragging on a new disorder which may or may not be completely bullshit - but in medicine - it's better for your career to find a new disease or disorder than to actually cure one.

4/16/2017 04:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Look, some people are not going to tolerate weed, physically or mentally. But we do not care. It is more important for the state to fill its tax coffers than to be concerned about the few who will ruin their lives with legalized narcotics.

4/16/2017 05:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Legalize all forms of narcotics. It should be left up to the individual for what they put in their body. I don't scold the cheese burger eater, nor the boozer, so what the hell do I care if you want to fill your veins or lungs with junk. The sooner these people die off the better.

4/16/2017 05:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


because pot is not part of our culture. Leave that to the Asians. Alcohol, on the other hand has been part of out culture for what 10,000 years?

4/16/2017 10:49:00 AM

Pot is a naturally occurring PLANT. And there is the manufacturing use for Hemp....you can make paper from it with less ecosystem damage than by the timber industry. Clothing, Rope

Alcohol is a distillation process. It can occur naturally in some circumstances, but you would not want to drink it.


Pot is illegal for 2 reasons:

"Nam Protestors and Blacks and Latinos and Moroms used it. It was a way to be able to target them when you didn't have anything else.

IT was a serious competitor to people heavily invested in the Timber industry.

Period.

Race and $$$

Try research and lay off the kool aid.

4/16/2017 06:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You cannot legalize narcotics unless you end the nanny state. Sure, people can be free to shoot up with/smoke anything they like, but society should not have to pay the price for their choices. If they want to abuse themselves, fine, but that also means no free medical care, no revival when they OD, no free food/rent/phone/housing when they are destitute.

At one time, pretty much every drug you can imagine was legal in the US, but there was also no safety net. If you chose to become a junkie/alkie, you were on your own and ended up in the gutter. That's fair. We should have free will, but free will has a price tag,and nobody should pay that but the person making the choice.

End the nanny state, and also impose the harshest penalty possible for junkies that harm others with their foolishness like impaired driving, child endangerment and thefts to support their habit.

They can be losers all they please, but nobody else should have to pay the piper for their stupidity.

4/16/2017 08:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Many things in moderation are ok and even helpful. Red wine for example. Glass a day after you're home from work is ok. Ten glasses might cause some issues.

Probably something similar with weed. My brother who never smoked a doobie in his life is using weed edibles for arthritis pain and he claims it helps. I'm guessing he has one or two cupcakes a day. If he's eating ten he might have some problems.

Moderate use of weed or alcohol or aspirin etc is likely ok and even helpful for many folks.

Now if you will excuse me I'm going to drink a glass of red wine, eat a pot filled twinkie, pop an aspirin and watch some TV.

4/16/2017 09:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

"Reefer Madness" is real and true.

4/16/2017 11:48:00 AM

We watched the movie some years ago.

It was a Depression era
D.A.R.E/Just Say No film.

Shrill, trippy and preachy but
it appeals to us life-long students
of the human condition.

4/16/2017 09:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well you can't do weed and watch
"Fate of the Furious" (otherwise known as
"Fast and Furious 8" in foreign countries). Filmed in
Cuba, this harkens back to fast, souped-up cars and
Chases (remember chases?). Vin Diesel, Dwayne
Johnson. Spoiler alert: more stubble on Vin's beard
Than on his head, but what else is new?
Makes Bullitt look like driver training.
(They did teach Pursuit in the Academy at one time,
didn't they? Memory fading from the weed.)
Make America Fast Again, RWD, Full Steel Frames

4/16/2017 11:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Legalize all forms of narcotics. It should be left up to the individual for what they put in their body. I don't scold the cheese burger eater, nor the boozer, so what the hell do I care if you want to fill your veins or lungs with junk. The sooner these people die off the better.

4/16/2017 05:38:00 PM

Well said. What about the McD Supersize fiasco? I want a large drink but I can't get it at McD, They sell a 'large' drink but it is half the size of a Wendy's or BK. Let ME decide how big my drink is..... besides they are worried about sugar, I drink Diet....and I can't even get a large water....

4/16/2017 11:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To all those in support of weed

Fine, you live with it, at work, at home, at school, everywhere

I think the best cure for those that are "tolerant" is a big dose of what they tolerate

4/17/2017 04:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Smoke it all you want but not where I can smell the stench of your brain cells being smoked up next door to me. There has to be something we can do to people that are inconsiderate to neighbors and their children. The other day my son asks " what's that smell dad?" I tell him it's food from the neighbors. I go next door and almost have it out with this curly haired 20 year old on the definition of consideration for others. Did he care ? Not one bit! I could have thrown him through a window but then what? Lose my job and my home? What the hell can you do to these animals?

4/17/2017 07:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I bet it exists like that whole "restless leg syndrome" that is supposedly out there. Someone call Michael Flatley!

4/16/2017 12:17:00 AM

It's disappointing that there are people that don't think RLS is a real issue. Before my back surgery there were many times I'd toss and turn all night because of the discomfort in my legs caused by RLS that went along with the sciatica. You literally can't stop from moving your legs due to the discomfort. Just consider yourself lucky that you haven't had to real with RLS yourself, because it's not a very pleasant experience.

4/16/2017 10:29:00 AM

Everything is a "syndrome" nowadays. Just put a word syndrome at the end of every sensation, feeling or behavior and you have yourself an illness.

4/17/2017 08:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

4/16/2017 10:15:00 AM

Legalize it Just like the lottery to save the schools. Remember that BS.

The difference between Colorado and Illinois is Co is now like the Hollywood west coast. You have the extreme rich and your have the trailer park folk mainly mex's and native coloradans. The new pot immigrants are slush fund babies, welfare bums, or destitute criminals. The rich will never have to deal with crime brought by mary jane. They have gated communities gated roads, the average joe will have to suffer with the criminal element in Colorado.

4/17/2017 03:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Save Illinois legalize Marijuana hundreds of millions in additional tax revenue every year!

4/17/2017 04:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Smoke it all you want but not where I can smell the stench of your brain cells being smoked up next door to me. There has to be something we can do to people that are inconsiderate to neighbors and their children. The other day my son asks " what's that smell dad?" I tell him it's food from the neighbors. I go next door and almost have it out with this curly haired 20 year old on the definition of consideration for others. Did he care ? Not one bit! I could have thrown him through a window but then what? Lose my job and my home? What the hell can you do to these animals?

4/17/2017 07:58:00 AM


You wasted your time but be sure to
govern yourself accordingly next time.

Call the Police.

Or you can adopt the expedient
action of taking care of business
with a hidden hand.

Dopers tend to be self-centered anyway.

4/17/2017 05:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You want to be a drunk? Fine, your choice. You want to be a pot-head? Fine, your choice. But don't expect taxpayers to pay for your stupidity.
Just go away and die young.
Drunks and drug addicts? Not many people will mourn your passing. Most will think "Good riddance!"

J.J.

4/18/2017 10:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry, SCC, this is a real syndrome:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3576702/

Abstract

Coinciding with the increasing rates of cannabis abuse has been the recognition of a new clinical condition known as Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome. Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome is characterized by chronic cannabis use, cyclic episodes of nausea and vomiting, and frequent hot bathing. Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome occurs by an unknown mechanism. Despite the well-established anti-emetic properties of marijuana, there is increasing evidence of its paradoxical effects on the gastrointestinal tract and CNS. Tetrahydrocannabinol, cannabidiol, and cannabigerol are three cannabinoids found in the cannabis plant with opposing effects on the emesis response. The clinical course of Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome may be divided into three phases: prodromal, hyperemetic, and recovery phase. The hyperemetic phase usually ceases within 48 hours, and treatment involves supportive therapy with fluid resuscitation and anti-emetic medications. Patients often demonstrate the learned behavior of frequent hot bathing, which produces temporary cessation of nausea, vomiting, and abdominal pain. The broad differential diagnosis of nausea and vomiting often leads to delay in the diagnosis of Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome. Cyclic Vomiting Syndrome shares several similarities with CHS and the two conditions are often confused. Knowledge of the epidemiology, pathophysiology, and natural course of Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome is limited and requires further investigation.

Epidemiology and Introduction

Cannabis is the most commonly used illicit drug in the United States with over 16.7 million users in 2009 [1]. The 18–25 year old age group has the highest prevalence of marijuana use [1]. Each year 2.6 million Americans become new users. The majority of these individuals are less than nineteen years of age [2]. Similarly in Europe, cannabis use is prominent among young adults, with a prevalence that has increased from 5% in 1990 to 15% in 2005 [3]. While the overall prevalence of marijuana use has remained stable in the United States at 4%, the prevalence of cannabis use disorders (i.e. cannabis dependence, cannabis abuse) has continued to rise [4]. Risk factors for developing cannabis use disorders include male race, lower income, living in a Western culture, and being separated, divorced, or widowed [5].

Coinciding with the increasing rates of cannabis abuse has been the recognition of a new clinical condition known as Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome (CHS). The syndrome was first described in 2004 by Allen and colleagues and is characterized by chronic cannabis use, cyclic episodes of nausea and vomiting, and the learned behavior of hot bathing [6]. This review will provide an overview of cannabinoid pharmacology that focuses on the properties that may contribute to CHS. We review a clinical description of CHS and a proposed clinical evaluation including differential diagnosis and treatment modalities. We conclude with a discussion regarding the shortcomings in our knowledge and suggestions for areas of future research

4/22/2017 12:59:00 PM  

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