Tuesday, May 30, 2017

Shot Spotter App

Someone asked in the comments about this new ShotSpotter app that is on the Department cell phones. Evidently, you can also download it from any App Store. The comment asked if they were permitted to have it. We reply:
  • Are you nuts?
Officers are already being ordered to surrender personal cell phones (that you pay for) at police shooting scenes and there's no timeline for them getting them back. Officers who didn't pull the trigger, too. The Department is "mirroring" all of your activity from weeks before until the shooting, so everything you did is pretty much discover-able by any lib-tarded judge and bottom-feeding lawyer who takes a fancy to screwing the police.

Do not, and we repeat it in all capital letters, DO NOT mix your personal business with Department business. It will end badly.

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45 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cellebrite and CPD are watching you. Wake up officers we r in uncharted territory

5/30/2017 12:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone that would do this needs their head examined. Do not use your personal phone for this type of nonsense! Secondly, WHO GIVES A FUCK about the silly shot spotter! Are people that soft still?

5/30/2017 12:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Squad, change locations, to the district to make notifications. My phone is MY phone and I stopped doing police business on it when I found out they could take if for evidence. FUCK YOU!

5/30/2017 12:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How many lives has shot spotter saved and how many cases has it solved? The crickets are chirping.

5/30/2017 12:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's like, to myself-- I am not concerned if asshole in 005, 004, 003... I am sure you get it...I really don't care if those assholes are shooting each other... I am about as concerned about it as I am concerned with assholes in Syria and Iraq off-ing each other. So why would I get a stupid app? Let's talk real dollars, how much does asshole cost insurance companies,who in turn raise the working mans policy rates.

5/30/2017 01:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do not, and we repeat it in all capital letters, DO NOT mix your personal business with Department business. It will end badly.

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Hows that going to work out for former Lt. Denis Walsh ??

5/30/2017 01:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Even if you don't mix personal business with work business on your phone they will still ask to see it to make sure!
And who's making the determination if something is "work related" some liberal judge?
I hate to say it but if you even respond to a scene of a police shooting and down the road they start taking phones your gonna be fucked
I don't see any way around this they can deem anything "work related"
This came up awhile ago and as far as I know there wasn't any clarification from FOP as to what the basis was to take an officers phone
So if they take an officers phone who was on scene of a shooting and they find some text messages from other officers about something that happened 2 or 3 weeks ago that someone might find "offensive" what happens then?

5/30/2017 01:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Leave your phone in your locker. don't carry it on or about your person. If the Dept. wants you to install an app - let them provide the device to install it on.

If you have a device with you and there's even the slightest bit of doubt that you maybe, possibly, might have been using it for work - then the Judge's order that evidence "preserved", and so the phone is confiscated and given to the Expert Witnesses to be imaged.

Images are made for the prosecution and the defense - they're supposed to be exact copies of the original which after copying, sits in a sealed evidence bag in a vault somewhere.

The experts for each side work with their copy for the duration of the case. If either side thinks something was modified ("spoilated") they ask for it to be compared to the original....

See where this is going? The original (aka "Your 'personal' phone") is not available to you for the duration of the case. How long's that? Weeks? Months? Years? If either side appeals - then how long?

You want your personal contacts, emails, "private" pictures being trolled through by the Court's Experts? And if anything is even remotely hokey - they have a duty to report it.

So don't be a dumbass. Leave the damn phone turned off before you pull into the parking lot at the Station, and leave it sitting in your locker. After you've exited the building and are in your own personal car - out of the Station parking lot - then you can turn the damn thing back on.

This way you can say what you do - that it's NOT used while you're working, and it's even turned off BEFORE you get into the parking lot (that's easily verifiable with cell tower records if anyone wants to challenge it). It stays off and in the locker until you leave the parking lot again - when you're off work (again - easily verifiable).

So you get to keep your personal private stuff - PRIVATE. And you don't have to go out and get another phone...and worry about anything.

... not a cop - just an expert witness.

5/30/2017 02:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great Advice! This invasion of officer's privacy has been going on for years, but seldom reported and known only to the few attorneys who specialized in suing cops. Now it is Common Knowledge in the legal community, and one of the first things they will go for. The time of dispatch will be corresponded to YOUR phone calls. In my case the question was did I tell my officers to call an ambulance or did they call it on their own. And this is not as simple as it seems. In our situation, the deceased was lying there, appearing to Not need an ambulance but obviously he did.It was a traumatic circumstance for all involved. As a Sgt., initially I was advised via radio that they were seeking transport, so I called one of them by cell phone. Everyone's cell phone records were demanded and produced. Never Forget: "We are Prisoners of what we say and Masters of what we do not say." When you don't know an answer, it does not make you appear to be an idiot to admit that. You will appear to be a Fool when you give an answer just to please your interrogator. Especially if the answer costs you your job! It does not make you less Macho, to simply say; "I feel sick and need an ambulance." If the stress is overwhelming, you need a break, not a stroke. Remember, the Feds have days to collect their thoughts in a shooting/traumatic incident. And they are supposed to be the Smartest guys in law enforcement! If you doubt that statement, just ask them. Baby"G"

5/30/2017 04:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The only app anybody working the street is netflix, and it should be used aggressively.

5/30/2017 04:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Aw common, they can't do that.....we have rights and stuff.

5/30/2017 06:02:00 AM  
Blogger The Keesing Bandit said...

If I mixed my personal business with my department business, I would be an exempt right now.

Need I say more?

Now, kees me you fool!!!!

5/30/2017 06:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do not, in all capital letters, DO NOT ever vote democrat again! If you must, you can shit in your own Cheerios.

J.J.

5/30/2017 06:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

don't buy your meat at the same store where you
get your bread. multiple Cabella's visits and Joe's
Jungle Land Safari Range could look real bad for you.

5/30/2017 06:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But but but Hillary mixed personal emails with work emails and and and it didn't end badly for her....Why would it be any different for a CPD officer?

Back on Earth, the advice given here is sound. Only a FOOL mixes their personal technology devices with their government based employment. Yes, it WILL end badly for YOU because even though you might fancy yourself a reliable democrat, you will be tossed under the bus in a New York Minute if doing so benefits a party Elite, or any connected merit hire deemed Elite-Associated. The moment you think YOU are among those connected merits, well, that is when you find out what the bottom of a bus looks like.

Be smart. Get out of the social media trap. Don't get in it if you aren't already immersed. Limit your phone to a phone - text and send (Non Nude) pics only. Oh and actually call people and talk to them, like on the phone part of yer phone. Isn't that enough info for gubmint to collect anyway? Why give em more?

5/30/2017 07:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Solution Do not carry a personal phone while working. Keep it in your locker. Is there anything that important in your life that you need to have a phone on you?
Now when your on a crime scene and a boss says " Give me your phone!" You can say it's in my locker SORRY!! In my time on the job I did not have a cell phone and life was fine all the way till today. No phone on you during work less headaches.

5/30/2017 08:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who knows what apps may be on your phone when you get it back. Even my 90+ yoa mother understands the significance of the friend locator app on a cell phone. Once you surrender your phone is it really yours anymore.

5/30/2017 08:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>>> 04:22:00 AM ... not a cop - just an expert witness

sound advice. what about carrying a burner phone to use only as an emergency backup? (while personal smartphone is off and locked in personal vehicle...)

5/30/2017 08:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Was there ever an actual legal test case about your cellphone being taken and searched? Sounds like a perfect case for the ACLU.

Never mind! ;)

5/30/2017 08:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Use a disposable phone at work. Cheap flip phones are about 10 bucks a month prepaid. No contract. Leave your smartphone in your locker.

Yeah...that will happen.

5/30/2017 08:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For those concerned that a possible family emergency could necessitate them being contacted, have them phone the desk and the desk can contact you via radio.

5/30/2017 09:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"then the Judge's order that evidence "preserved" Is there actually case law that says you have to turn it over. If so what is FOP doing about it. I can't believe it's constitutional. What if you turn it over locked? I don't get it. It can't be legal.

5/30/2017 10:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Get a disposable Go Phone just to have on you if your family needs to call you in an emergency. Done.

5/30/2017 10:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The only app anybody working the street is netflix, and it should be used aggressively

^^ this for the win! i just spit coffee all over my phone screen.

5/30/2017 11:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The problem, as I see it, is the court taking officers phones without any offer of proof of any discoverable potential evidence on our personal cell phones. In essence our phones can be taken and inventoried just in case it has discoverable evidence on it. It doesn't matter what is on your phone, it will be taken. What difference will it make what apps you have?

5/30/2017 11:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shot spotter should be manned by civilians ,police officers on disability or retired police officers .
Why should full duty sworn officers be sitting on their butt inside .

5/30/2017 11:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Get a magic jack phone. Register that number as your department phone number. Now technically they can still ask you if you had a cell phone on you at the shooting to which you will have to answer honestly or face a rule 14. I'm guessing the first phones they ask to subpoena are the Registered phone numbers on clear that the officers put down.

5/30/2017 11:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Especially if it's an LooneyApple approved app.
Besides the hackers always tapping the Dept servers, you'll have LibTard Apple (or hillary loons) tracking your personal IP activity.
I have to axe' ...
What idiot thought and approved that idea?
Why would anyone want to Track-a-ThugShoot, especially if you're stuck with the paper?

5/30/2017 12:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stop worrying the FOP says no officers ever turned over their phones.
http://www.chicagofop.org/news/q7b86mlvtr4odunlpx9p9tzen8mija

5/30/2017 01:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your gonna do it anyways. Three year wonders are the real police. Make your 10-1 benefit flyer with paw patrol stickers, love that show.

5/30/2017 03:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm thinking if you follow the money some connected people have to be getting their beak wet on this whole shotspotter, SDSC room thing.
We can't even get decent chairs, working computers, printer paper etc. in 009 yet the city has sunk millions into the SDSC room, cell phones, hunch lab missions etc.
WTF??

5/30/2017 04:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

nonymous said...
Leave your phone in your locker. don't carry it on or about your person. If the Dept. wants you to install an app - let them provide the device to install it on.

If you have a device with you and there's even the slightest bit of doubt that you maybe, possibly, might have been using it for work - then the Judge's order that evidence "preserved", and so the phone is confiscated and given to the Expert Witnesses to be imaged.

Images are made for the prosecution and the defense - they're supposed to be exact copies of the original which after copying, sits in a sealed evidence bag in a vault somewhere.

The experts for each side work with their copy for the duration of the case. If either side thinks something was modified ("spoilated") they ask for it to be compared to the original....

See where this is going? The original (aka "Your 'personal' phone") is not available to you for the duration of the case. How long's that? Weeks? Months? Years? If either side appeals - then how long?

You want your personal contacts, emails, "private" pictures being trolled through by the Court's Experts? And if anything is even remotely hokey - they have a duty to report it.

So don't be a dumbass. Leave the damn phone turned off before you pull into the parking lot at the Station, and leave it sitting in your locker. After you've exited the building and are in your own personal car - out of the Station parking lot - then you can turn the damn thing back on.

This way you can say what you do - that it's NOT used while you're working, and it's even turned off BEFORE you get into the parking lot (that's easily verifiable with cell tower records if anyone wants to challenge it). It stays off and in the locker until you leave the parking lot again - when you're off work (again - easily verifiable).

So you get to keep your personal private stuff - PRIVATE. And you don't have to go out and get another phone...and worry about anything.

... not a cop - just an expert witness.


While I get what you're saying in today's day and age we all rely tremendously on our cell phones.
It's how we stay in contact with our children, significant others, friends, coworkers etc.
It'd be pretty unrealistic, not to mention a tremendous hardship, to turn your personal cell phone off and leave it off for your entire tour of duty.

5/30/2017 04:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ssc this reminds of a scene from the movie "goodfellows" when henry hill was describing mob boss paulie cicero " paule never liked phones and never talked on a phone paulie used to say that telephones got people put away for a long time "

5/30/2017 04:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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Anonymous Anonymous said...
Shot spotter should be manned by civilians ,police officers on disability or retired police officers .
Why should full duty sworn officers be sitting on their butt inside .

5/30/2017 11:28:00 AM

I agree with you.
However using that very same logic why should a Commanders office have approximately a dozen full duty officers "working" in his Admin office: Commanders secretaries, Executive secretaries, CompStat people, DIO people, extra timekeepers, extra review people....

5/30/2017 04:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Never trust a democrat or a Merit.
- Is this your phone?
Yes.
Always have a drop phone.
Keep your old Moto StarTAC Flipper charged in the locker - just in case Rahm authorizes Lightfoots Merit Gestapo to storm in.

5/30/2017 06:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
"then the Judge's order that evidence "preserved" Is there actually case law that says you have to turn it over. If so what is FOP doing about it. I can't believe it's constitutional. What if you turn it over locked? I don't get it. It can't be legal.

5/30/2017 10:05:00 AM


To paraphrase Master Yoda:

Heh. Legality. Constitutionality. A Cook County Judge cares not for these things!

5/30/2017 06:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Even if you don't mix personal business with work business on your phone they will still ask to see it to make sure!
And who's making the determination if something is "work related" some liberal judge?
I hate to say it but if you even respond to a scene of a police shooting and down the road they start taking phones your gonna be fucked
I don't see any way around this they can deem anything "work related"
This came up awhile ago and as far as I know there wasn't any clarification from FOP as to what the basis was to take an officers phone
So if they take an officers phone who was on scene of a shooting and they find some text messages from other officers about something that happened 2 or 3 weeks ago that someone might find "offensive" what happens then?

5/30/2017 01:48:00 AM

Make them get a god damn subpoena.


Private Phone is private Property. All it takes is One Cop to demand a subpoena and this crap will stop.


No G.O can interfere with your Civil Rights.

Make IAD/IPRA/COPA wake a Judge Up at 2am for a subpoena.

Regards,

Tom from the City Law Department.

5/30/2017 08:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who here thinks the ASA's, in the jury room during court prep, ask for your phone # "just in case they need to get a hold of you about the case"? Yep. They been subpoenaing your phone records all along people. Nothing new and it's easy for them to do. Keep on making it easy for them.

5/30/2017 08:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well I downloaded it to my burner phone just to see what's it all about. You need a login and password, and there's no way to sign up for it so I assume the department has to assign you one.

5/30/2017 09:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Make them get a god damn subpoena.


Private Phone is private Property. All it takes is One Cop to demand a subpoena and this crap will stop.


No G.O can interfere with your Civil Rights.

Make IAD/IPRA/COPA wake a Judge Up at 2am for a subpoena.

Regards,

Tom from the City Law Department.


5/30/2017 08:12:00 PM

I don't know if "Tom from the Law Department" is 100% right...but I say go for it.

Regards,

1630

5/31/2017 12:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No they haven't. Please keep your crazy conspiracy theories off the blog.

5/31/2017 04:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ssc this reminds of a scene from the movie "goodfellows" when henry hill was describing mob boss paulie cicero " paule never liked phones and never talked on a phone paulie used to say that telephones got people put away for a long time "

you have clearly never seen Goodfellas

5/31/2017 11:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Well I downloaded it to my burner phone just to see what's it all about. You need a login and password, and there's no way to sign up for it so I assume the department has to assign you one.

5/30/2017 09:43:00 PM

Check your department email.
There's an email with a link to get you set up.

5/31/2017 01:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Because of our type of employment, a judge/lawyer might still seek access to your text and phone records. That's why I use end-to-end encryption offered by whispersystems.org/ It''s called "signal private messenger" Don't wait until it's too late. Your cell phone company doesn't even know who or what you're texting with this. Fight the power.

5/31/2017 09:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

>>> 04:22:00 AM ... not a cop - just an expert witness

sound advice. what about carrying a burner phone to use only as an emergency backup? (while personal smartphone is off and locked in personal vehicle...)

5/30/2017 08:30:00 AM


Let's play scumbag atty for a min:

So you have a "burner". Why do you have the "burner"? Why not have your personal phone? What are you trying to hide Officer? How many burners have you had? what have you done with them? Who have you called? What were the numbers of the phones? When did you call those people? What was discussed? Ever text with those phones? What are the nature of the text messages? Ever sent pictures? Of what? when? To whom?

So again, why aren't you using your personal phone?

It's a giant rabbit hole. Don't open it up for them. Forget the burners - forget anything personal. This anti-cop environment isn't a time to screw around.

Trump and Sessions are making strides to return us to some semblance of sanity - but never forget we're in Chiraq, the Heart of Crook County, in the most corrupt State of Illinois - no matter what the Feds do, the local scumbags don't care and will do whatever they deem necessary to fuck you over if it'll get them one more vote.

6/01/2017 02:36:00 AM  

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