Shot Spotter App
Someone asked in the comments about this new ShotSpotter app that is on the Department cell phones. Evidently, you can also download it from any App Store. The comment asked if they were permitted to have it. We reply:
- Are you nuts?
Officers are already being ordered to surrender personal cell phones (that you pay for) at police shooting scenes and there's no timeline for them getting them back. Officers who didn't pull the trigger, too. The Department is "mirroring" all of your activity from weeks before until the shooting, so everything you did is pretty much discover-able by any lib-tarded judge and bottom-feeding lawyer who takes a fancy to screwing the police.
Do not, and we repeat it in all capital letters, DO NOT mix your personal business with Department business. It will end badly.
Do not, and we repeat it in all capital letters, DO NOT mix your personal business with Department business. It will end badly.
Labels: info for the police
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
46 Comments:
Cellebrite and CPD are watching you. Wake up officers we r in uncharted territory
Anyone that would do this needs their head examined. Do not use your personal phone for this type of nonsense! Secondly, WHO GIVES A FUCK about the silly shot spotter! Are people that soft still?
Squad, change locations, to the district to make notifications. My phone is MY phone and I stopped doing police business on it when I found out they could take if for evidence. FUCK YOU!
How many lives has shot spotter saved and how many cases has it solved? The crickets are chirping.
It's like, to myself-- I am not concerned if asshole in 005, 004, 003... I am sure you get it...I really don't care if those assholes are shooting each other... I am about as concerned about it as I am concerned with assholes in Syria and Iraq off-ing each other. So why would I get a stupid app? Let's talk real dollars, how much does asshole cost insurance companies,who in turn raise the working mans policy rates.
Do not, and we repeat it in all capital letters, DO NOT mix your personal business with Department business. It will end badly.
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Hows that going to work out for former Lt. Denis Walsh ??
Even if you don't mix personal business with work business on your phone they will still ask to see it to make sure!
And who's making the determination if something is "work related" some liberal judge?
I hate to say it but if you even respond to a scene of a police shooting and down the road they start taking phones your gonna be fucked
I don't see any way around this they can deem anything "work related"
This came up awhile ago and as far as I know there wasn't any clarification from FOP as to what the basis was to take an officers phone
So if they take an officers phone who was on scene of a shooting and they find some text messages from other officers about something that happened 2 or 3 weeks ago that someone might find "offensive" what happens then?
Leave your phone in your locker. don't carry it on or about your person. If the Dept. wants you to install an app - let them provide the device to install it on.
If you have a device with you and there's even the slightest bit of doubt that you maybe, possibly, might have been using it for work - then the Judge's order that evidence "preserved", and so the phone is confiscated and given to the Expert Witnesses to be imaged.
Images are made for the prosecution and the defense - they're supposed to be exact copies of the original which after copying, sits in a sealed evidence bag in a vault somewhere.
The experts for each side work with their copy for the duration of the case. If either side thinks something was modified ("spoilated") they ask for it to be compared to the original....
See where this is going? The original (aka "Your 'personal' phone") is not available to you for the duration of the case. How long's that? Weeks? Months? Years? If either side appeals - then how long?
You want your personal contacts, emails, "private" pictures being trolled through by the Court's Experts? And if anything is even remotely hokey - they have a duty to report it.
So don't be a dumbass. Leave the damn phone turned off before you pull into the parking lot at the Station, and leave it sitting in your locker. After you've exited the building and are in your own personal car - out of the Station parking lot - then you can turn the damn thing back on.
This way you can say what you do - that it's NOT used while you're working, and it's even turned off BEFORE you get into the parking lot (that's easily verifiable with cell tower records if anyone wants to challenge it). It stays off and in the locker until you leave the parking lot again - when you're off work (again - easily verifiable).
So you get to keep your personal private stuff - PRIVATE. And you don't have to go out and get another phone...and worry about anything.
... not a cop - just an expert witness.
Great Advice! This invasion of officer's privacy has been going on for years, but seldom reported and known only to the few attorneys who specialized in suing cops. Now it is Common Knowledge in the legal community, and one of the first things they will go for. The time of dispatch will be corresponded to YOUR phone calls. In my case the question was did I tell my officers to call an ambulance or did they call it on their own. And this is not as simple as it seems. In our situation, the deceased was lying there, appearing to Not need an ambulance but obviously he did.It was a traumatic circumstance for all involved. As a Sgt., initially I was advised via radio that they were seeking transport, so I called one of them by cell phone. Everyone's cell phone records were demanded and produced. Never Forget: "We are Prisoners of what we say and Masters of what we do not say." When you don't know an answer, it does not make you appear to be an idiot to admit that. You will appear to be a Fool when you give an answer just to please your interrogator. Especially if the answer costs you your job! It does not make you less Macho, to simply say; "I feel sick and need an ambulance." If the stress is overwhelming, you need a break, not a stroke. Remember, the Feds have days to collect their thoughts in a shooting/traumatic incident. And they are supposed to be the Smartest guys in law enforcement! If you doubt that statement, just ask them. Baby"G"
The only app anybody working the street is netflix, and it should be used aggressively.
Aw common, they can't do that.....we have rights and stuff.
If I mixed my personal business with my department business, I would be an exempt right now.
Need I say more?
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
Do not, in all capital letters, DO NOT ever vote democrat again! If you must, you can shit in your own Cheerios.
J.J.
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Jungle Land Safari Range could look real bad for you.
But but but Hillary mixed personal emails with work emails and and and it didn't end badly for her....Why would it be any different for a CPD officer?
Back on Earth, the advice given here is sound. Only a FOOL mixes their personal technology devices with their government based employment. Yes, it WILL end badly for YOU because even though you might fancy yourself a reliable democrat, you will be tossed under the bus in a New York Minute if doing so benefits a party Elite, or any connected merit hire deemed Elite-Associated. The moment you think YOU are among those connected merits, well, that is when you find out what the bottom of a bus looks like.
Be smart. Get out of the social media trap. Don't get in it if you aren't already immersed. Limit your phone to a phone - text and send (Non Nude) pics only. Oh and actually call people and talk to them, like on the phone part of yer phone. Isn't that enough info for gubmint to collect anyway? Why give em more?
Solution Do not carry a personal phone while working. Keep it in your locker. Is there anything that important in your life that you need to have a phone on you?
Now when your on a crime scene and a boss says " Give me your phone!" You can say it's in my locker SORRY!! In my time on the job I did not have a cell phone and life was fine all the way till today. No phone on you during work less headaches.
Who knows what apps may be on your phone when you get it back. Even my 90+ yoa mother understands the significance of the friend locator app on a cell phone. Once you surrender your phone is it really yours anymore.
>>> 04:22:00 AM ... not a cop - just an expert witness
sound advice. what about carrying a burner phone to use only as an emergency backup? (while personal smartphone is off and locked in personal vehicle...)
Was there ever an actual legal test case about your cellphone being taken and searched? Sounds like a perfect case for the ACLU.
Never mind! ;)
Use a disposable phone at work. Cheap flip phones are about 10 bucks a month prepaid. No contract. Leave your smartphone in your locker.
Yeah...that will happen.
For those concerned that a possible family emergency could necessitate them being contacted, have them phone the desk and the desk can contact you via radio.
"then the Judge's order that evidence "preserved" Is there actually case law that says you have to turn it over. If so what is FOP doing about it. I can't believe it's constitutional. What if you turn it over locked? I don't get it. It can't be legal.
Get a disposable Go Phone just to have on you if your family needs to call you in an emergency. Done.
The only app anybody working the street is netflix, and it should be used aggressively
^^ this for the win! i just spit coffee all over my phone screen.
The problem, as I see it, is the court taking officers phones without any offer of proof of any discoverable potential evidence on our personal cell phones. In essence our phones can be taken and inventoried just in case it has discoverable evidence on it. It doesn't matter what is on your phone, it will be taken. What difference will it make what apps you have?
Shot spotter should be manned by civilians ,police officers on disability or retired police officers .
Why should full duty sworn officers be sitting on their butt inside .
Get a magic jack phone. Register that number as your department phone number. Now technically they can still ask you if you had a cell phone on you at the shooting to which you will have to answer honestly or face a rule 14. I'm guessing the first phones they ask to subpoena are the Registered phone numbers on clear that the officers put down.
Especially if it's an LooneyApple approved app.
Besides the hackers always tapping the Dept servers, you'll have LibTard Apple (or hillary loons) tracking your personal IP activity.
I have to axe' ...
What idiot thought and approved that idea?
Why would anyone want to Track-a-ThugShoot, especially if you're stuck with the paper?
Stop worrying the FOP says no officers ever turned over their phones.
http://www.chicagofop.org/news/q7b86mlvtr4odunlpx9p9tzen8mija
Your gonna do it anyways. Three year wonders are the real police. Make your 10-1 benefit flyer with paw patrol stickers, love that show.
I'm thinking if you follow the money some connected people have to be getting their beak wet on this whole shotspotter, SDSC room thing.
We can't even get decent chairs, working computers, printer paper etc. in 009 yet the city has sunk millions into the SDSC room, cell phones, hunch lab missions etc.
WTF??
nonymous said...
Leave your phone in your locker. don't carry it on or about your person. If the Dept. wants you to install an app - let them provide the device to install it on.
If you have a device with you and there's even the slightest bit of doubt that you maybe, possibly, might have been using it for work - then the Judge's order that evidence "preserved", and so the phone is confiscated and given to the Expert Witnesses to be imaged.
Images are made for the prosecution and the defense - they're supposed to be exact copies of the original which after copying, sits in a sealed evidence bag in a vault somewhere.
The experts for each side work with their copy for the duration of the case. If either side thinks something was modified ("spoilated") they ask for it to be compared to the original....
See where this is going? The original (aka "Your 'personal' phone") is not available to you for the duration of the case. How long's that? Weeks? Months? Years? If either side appeals - then how long?
You want your personal contacts, emails, "private" pictures being trolled through by the Court's Experts? And if anything is even remotely hokey - they have a duty to report it.
So don't be a dumbass. Leave the damn phone turned off before you pull into the parking lot at the Station, and leave it sitting in your locker. After you've exited the building and are in your own personal car - out of the Station parking lot - then you can turn the damn thing back on.
This way you can say what you do - that it's NOT used while you're working, and it's even turned off BEFORE you get into the parking lot (that's easily verifiable with cell tower records if anyone wants to challenge it). It stays off and in the locker until you leave the parking lot again - when you're off work (again - easily verifiable).
So you get to keep your personal private stuff - PRIVATE. And you don't have to go out and get another phone...and worry about anything.
... not a cop - just an expert witness.
While I get what you're saying in today's day and age we all rely tremendously on our cell phones.
It's how we stay in contact with our children, significant others, friends, coworkers etc.
It'd be pretty unrealistic, not to mention a tremendous hardship, to turn your personal cell phone off and leave it off for your entire tour of duty.
ssc this reminds of a scene from the movie "goodfellows" when henry hill was describing mob boss paulie cicero " paule never liked phones and never talked on a phone paulie used to say that telephones got people put away for a long time "
M
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Shot spotter should be manned by civilians ,police officers on disability or retired police officers .
Why should full duty sworn officers be sitting on their butt inside .
5/30/2017 11:28:00 AM
I agree with you.
However using that very same logic why should a Commanders office have approximately a dozen full duty officers "working" in his Admin office: Commanders secretaries, Executive secretaries, CompStat people, DIO people, extra timekeepers, extra review people....
Never trust a democrat or a Merit.
- Is this your phone?
Yes.
Always have a drop phone.
Keep your old Moto StarTAC Flipper charged in the locker - just in case Rahm authorizes Lightfoots Merit Gestapo to storm in.
Anonymous said...
"then the Judge's order that evidence "preserved" Is there actually case law that says you have to turn it over. If so what is FOP doing about it. I can't believe it's constitutional. What if you turn it over locked? I don't get it. It can't be legal.
5/30/2017 10:05:00 AM
To paraphrase Master Yoda:
Heh. Legality. Constitutionality. A Cook County Judge cares not for these things!
Anonymous said...
Even if you don't mix personal business with work business on your phone they will still ask to see it to make sure!
And who's making the determination if something is "work related" some liberal judge?
I hate to say it but if you even respond to a scene of a police shooting and down the road they start taking phones your gonna be fucked
I don't see any way around this they can deem anything "work related"
This came up awhile ago and as far as I know there wasn't any clarification from FOP as to what the basis was to take an officers phone
So if they take an officers phone who was on scene of a shooting and they find some text messages from other officers about something that happened 2 or 3 weeks ago that someone might find "offensive" what happens then?
5/30/2017 01:48:00 AM
Make them get a god damn subpoena.
Private Phone is private Property. All it takes is One Cop to demand a subpoena and this crap will stop.
No G.O can interfere with your Civil Rights.
Make IAD/IPRA/COPA wake a Judge Up at 2am for a subpoena.
Regards,
Tom from the City Law Department.
Who here thinks the ASA's, in the jury room during court prep, ask for your phone # "just in case they need to get a hold of you about the case"? Yep. They been subpoenaing your phone records all along people. Nothing new and it's easy for them to do. Keep on making it easy for them.
Well I downloaded it to my burner phone just to see what's it all about. You need a login and password, and there's no way to sign up for it so I assume the department has to assign you one.
Make them get a god damn subpoena.
Private Phone is private Property. All it takes is One Cop to demand a subpoena and this crap will stop.
No G.O can interfere with your Civil Rights.
Make IAD/IPRA/COPA wake a Judge Up at 2am for a subpoena.
Regards,
Tom from the City Law Department.
5/30/2017 08:12:00 PM
I don't know if "Tom from the Law Department" is 100% right...but I say go for it.
Regards,
1630
No they haven't. Please keep your crazy conspiracy theories off the blog.
ssc this reminds of a scene from the movie "goodfellows" when henry hill was describing mob boss paulie cicero " paule never liked phones and never talked on a phone paulie used to say that telephones got people put away for a long time "
you have clearly never seen Goodfellas
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Well I downloaded it to my burner phone just to see what's it all about. You need a login and password, and there's no way to sign up for it so I assume the department has to assign you one.
5/30/2017 09:43:00 PM
Check your department email.
There's an email with a link to get you set up.
Because of our type of employment, a judge/lawyer might still seek access to your text and phone records. That's why I use end-to-end encryption offered by whispersystems.org/ It''s called "signal private messenger" Don't wait until it's too late. Your cell phone company doesn't even know who or what you're texting with this. Fight the power.
While I get what you're saying in today's day and age we all rely tremendously on our cell phones. It's how we stay in contact with our children, significant others, friends, coworkers etc. It'd be pretty unrealistic, not to mention a tremendous hardship, to turn your personal cell phone off and leave it off for your entire tour of duty.
5/30/2017 04:51:00 PM
You know what's a tremendous hardship? Losing your phone for a long period of time - maybe years, maybe forever. Any data on that phone that you didn't have backed up - gone. Someone taking a look at the data on the phone and accusing you of something nefarious (it might not be illegal today, but could be tomorrow). Bottom-feeding attorneys concocting theories about what you said, why you said it, when you were somewhere, why you were there, how often you went there, who you were with when you went (was it the wife or the girlfriend?), and so on.
And along with all that - the worry, the stress, and then having to get another phone and setting it up.
So if it were me? I'd forego the contact with the children, significant others, coworkers for the duration of the tour of duty. It wasn't too long ago that people went to work and weren't able to stay in immediate contact via phone, text, IM, chats, twitter, social media, etc. - somehow they survived. In the event of a true emergency - have them call the Station and talk with the Desk Sgt. get you on the radio and you can figure it out from there.
But giving up your Privacy for some convenience is a poor justification for the risk to your livelihood and life. Forget it. Forget "using a burner" and all that nonsense.
When you're at Work, use their phone for company business. And given the nature of the work and the forces aligned against Cops, don't give them one bit of ammunition to use against you - make it tough on them. It's going to be tough on you to be certain, but the entire nature of your job is tough to begin with, so you can suffer through this.
Would you rather have the job and the paycheck, or get dragged through the legal system by some putz attorney who wants to make you look bad? Or by some lunatic legislator who decided that getting personal calls at Work means that you ought to be docked pay for that?
Consider this:
* You're at work - your kid sends you a text message picture of something the Smothers Brothers put on during the 1950's. Part of a history class lesson you were talking about during dinner. Kid wants some info about what those guys were doing way back when, etc... No big deal right?
* You answer the kid and the picture's attached.
* 3 months later your phone is subpoenaed because some jagoff shot another during a territorial pissing match over a corner.
* Bottom feeding lawyer sees the picture, but not the commentary because your phone happened to save the picture and the text message text cycled out due to you and the kid sending more than 1000 messages...
* Now there's a question about why you have that offensive picture on your phone. The race of the offender is black. You explain, no one believes you because you're a cop, and thus you're all "racist". Shithead goes free. Shithead's attorney sues you civilly because of the picture and the reason you effected the arrest was because you're "racist", and the picture "proves" it.
None of this crap happens if you can claim and prove that you never use your personal phone during work. It's turned off before the parking lot, off in the locker, off in the building, not used during the tour, turned back on after you're punched out and on the street.
Protecting yourself isn't easy - but you do it. Vest, extra ammo, multiple weapons, helmet sometimes, mace, gloves, mask, etc. Consider this to be one more protective device you can make use of which doesn't cost you anything except some "convenience".
Anonymous said...
>>> 04:22:00 AM ... not a cop - just an expert witness
sound advice. what about carrying a burner phone to use only as an emergency backup? (while personal smartphone is off and locked in personal vehicle...)
5/30/2017 08:30:00 AM
Let's play scumbag atty for a min:
So you have a "burner". Why do you have the "burner"? Why not have your personal phone? What are you trying to hide Officer? How many burners have you had? what have you done with them? Who have you called? What were the numbers of the phones? When did you call those people? What was discussed? Ever text with those phones? What are the nature of the text messages? Ever sent pictures? Of what? when? To whom?
So again, why aren't you using your personal phone?
It's a giant rabbit hole. Don't open it up for them. Forget the burners - forget anything personal. This anti-cop environment isn't a time to screw around.
Trump and Sessions are making strides to return us to some semblance of sanity - but never forget we're in Chiraq, the Heart of Crook County, in the most corrupt State of Illinois - no matter what the Feds do, the local scumbags don't care and will do whatever they deem necessary to fuck you over if it'll get them one more vote.
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