Lookie Here.....Again
- A longstanding requirement that Tinley Park police officers live in the village would go away under a new union contract.
The issue of residency ultimately went to arbitration, with the Village Board at its meeting Tuesday agreeing with the arbitrator's ruling from last month that officers should be allowed to live within a 30-mile radius of the village rather than inside the village limits.
The board is expected to vote on the full contract at its June 20 meeting. Terms of the agreement with Chapter 192 of the Metropolitan Alliance of Police, which represents the officers, are retroactive to last year and extend to 2020.
Many communities had long ago done away with rules requiring police to live in the municipality they serve, and at Tuesday's meeting, Mayor Jacob Vandenberg said that he was aware of Chicago and Rosemont as the only communities in the metro area that still had the rule.
Interesting.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
64 Comments:
I remember after I was hired as a federal Leo, I was suppose to relocate to Big Spring, Texas cause I was going be 10 minutes away from where I worked... needless to say, soon as I told the land lord I am federal leo... they pretty much declined to rent me, prolly cause they knew the Poleec had a target on his back, asshole would damage property if he knew it was a cops. That was years ago, you don't live where u work... bad idea
I bet if we win residency we lose the medical roll. You think a Sgt from Orland is going to medical check someone in Garfield Ridge?
Careful for what you wish for
why hasn't FOP filed a lawsuit already since it's a given they'll win ???
Wow. Hmmmmmmmmmm FOP? Will FOP send someone to that meeting on the 20th just to see how it goes and what is said???
Can you believe there are softballs buying homes for $500,000! in Mt. Greenwood. Because there is nowhere else to go on the south side the homes are overinflated. Better hope there isn't another bubble
Chicago Heights had residency as of 2015. I was told they were on the verge of dumping it, but don't recall the disposition.
bravo,rtd 16 years ago from CPD, and know for a fact they will keep chicago employees in to control them clout wise but hey, the teachers have been living out for years,
Lets go mr. Know it all fop M.P. at roll calls in 024 you wouldnt shut up about how the dept. Screws over coppers. Where are you to start this ball rolling?
Interesting that only two entities requiring residency are both known for their political corruption.
Retired .38 spl +P
If you want out and still want to be employed you better call fop or attend them meetings to get this rolling. Your chances of lifting the residency requirement is better now than ever. Public hates you so much that they won't argue over the fact that you want out.
It's up to you, if you don't try and make the effort then you have no right to bitch.
That will work with smaller towns and suburbs, not though with a large city like Chicago.
Its interesting if we had a 30 mile radius clause and you worked at HQ, 001, 018 or any of the true shit districts 002 through 007. The 30 miles would be from your place of work thus limiting how far away you could move.
I still don't understand how i can live 2 blocks from Evergreen park but can live in 022 but work in 017.
Uh-oh, you know what this means?!?!
Absolutely nothing
If they open up the State Constitution were screwed, quit whining about residency. If it happens its gonna cost us and especially the new people.
Who cares let's worry about disciplinary and not give up anything
The only bargaining chip we have left....fucking use it!
Let the courts decide.
Harvey here I come
Dont ever agree to a mileage restriction. City will use it in future bargaining sessions. i understand it is the cart before the horse, but trust me...
Chicago's reasoning for residency has nothing to do with officer's being "close to work". I know 100 CPD that at one time or another in their career they were north side working south, or south side working north. A lot of times this was done to screw with an officer, but out of the Academy, if you didn't have clout, you most certainly had over an hour ride to work each way.
You want me close to work - I live in 016 so why assign me to 009?
I've been on the job since 93 and this has been a hot bed issue since before I came on the job. As time has gone by I've seen many Officers secretly move out of the city to try and give their families a better life. Better schools, better homes and less taxation. These officers who tried doing this were found out and fired. Good men and women who went to work and just tried to better their loved ones took a chance and lost. I Know we have a shot even tho its a long one to maybe get our young men and women who are raising families on a police officers salary the ability to find fair housing outside this corrupt city. My time is almost done so in a few years I'm gone but we should leave this department a little better than when we came on. Lets not squander the chance to give the thin blue line, the defenders of Chicago a choice on where we can live because the way things are going, its only going to get worse for our young warriors.
"Anonymous Anonymous said...
Its interesting if we had a 30 mile radius clause and you worked at HQ, 001, 018 or any of the true shit districts 002 through 007. The 30 miles would be from your place of work thus limiting how far away you could move.
6/09/2017 05:07:00 AM"
Your "place of work" is THE CITY OF CHICAGO. Not "35th and Michigan" police or "near north" police or "englewood" police.
The Ferguson report points at elements of our contract that could be eliminated to save money. One of them was Duty Availability.
Here's an idea: tell Rahmulus that we are willing to discuss trading DA for residency. If you live in the city, you get DA.
But make no movement on it UNTIL the City Council changes the ordinance. Rahmulus is not to be trusted.
Can you believe there are softballs buying homes for $500,000! in Mt. Greenwood. Because there is nowhere else to go on the south side the homes are overinflated. Better hope there isn't another bubble
6/09/2017 01:06:00 AM
Bite the bullet and move north. Many lifelong south siders have moved to escape the prison which is Mt Greenwood. Its called having more "buffer" up north.
City Jobs are Votes,Your Alderman got you a City job and you rang door bells.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Its interesting if we had a 30 mile radius clause and you worked at HQ, 001, 018 or any of the true shit districts 002 through 007. The 30 miles would be from your place of work thus limiting how far away you could move.
6/09/2017 05:07:00 AM
Usually, it would be mileage from the city limits....not the center...
I feel sorry for the men and women of the CPD. Many send their children to private schools because we know how CPS runs. The extra burden of paying that tuition for K-12. Mean while other departments and the regular civilians enjoy similar property taxes or less and a great public education systems.
30 miles is a long way. Imagine living in Naperville or Lake Forest (if you had the cash) and making the long commute. Chicago Catholic schools would go out of business.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
bravo,rtd 16 years ago from CPD, and know for a fact they will keep chicago employees in to control them clout wise but hey, the teachers have been living out for years,
6/09/2017 02:35:00 AM
I thought that a few years ago they changed the residency for new hires at CPS. The only people that are allowed to live outside the city have a special degree that is in short supply and needed by the system?
See what happens to that. The CTU used to sue everyone...
The police departments in suburban Kenilworth, San Francisco and Aspen, Colorado should require residency for all sworn PD members.
Not a good idea to battle for residency. Just think what you would have to give up to get it? It's not just a simple thing saying we want to live outside the city and it happens you would have to negotiate a lot of our protections and medical benefits away.
Be careful what you ask for remember the goal is to retire on your terms not theirs.
Melrose Park still has residency and just fired several cops for living outside the village.
At 0621, two words: property taxes. There are other burbs that have residency just not complete i.e. they phase out after time etc.
Call the FOP, 312-733-7776 let them know you want residency changed. Put your name on the already long list. Don't let someone tell you it's not possible to change it. Police are targets now, 4 cops shot in 4 days, we don't need to be targeted at our homes.
It's not like suburban police are packing up and leaving town, (backfill housing with Chicago police officers?),
it's just that there aren't enough in-town folks signing up for the job.
Or is it that the pay is too low and the short supply of decent housing?
In the 90's the suburbs built and loaded up multi unit Sect.8 ghetto complex flats and now they can't find any law and order citizens wanting to live in these towns - that's a fact. They have their islands of clean safe streets, but not many.
It happened in short order to Naperville.
The day will come that Chicago will have many 2 or 3 encamped, relatively safe areas in its entire boundary.
I guess living in Tinley you're way out there and 30 more miles further isn't to bad...but just where is good anymore?
When the day comes that there will no longer be a Chicago Residency rule, all of the Cook Co collar suburbs will be infested rat holes.
Heck, it's 15 miles one-way just to Fillmore from Edison Park...one long-long-long and dismal one-way.
Lots of time wasted in always unsafe ghetto traffic, at any hour.
There are plenty of people driving 20+ miles one way to get from southwest side to 016 and vice versa.
Would a 30 mile radius make this job any better?
Maybe if you can send your kids to a better equipped public school, but to double the tax load for suburban freeloaders?
We can't win.
So really, what's the point of driving hours and many miles through shitsville to go to work in a bigger shitsville?
In the days of walking the beat in your neighborhood, reporting to the precinct capt,local residency made some sense. Now the ONLY reason is political.
Some of these comments are nuts. Cmon fellas, do you really think Rahm or any Chicago politician will ever give this up. Never. It will never be lifted. It's votes gone and much more. There would be a MASS exodus. It would be the Detroit turning point for Chicago. And all of us that have bought decent middle of the road homes on the North side would be scrambling to either sell before the property values nosedive, which they absolutely would...in like...1 fkin day, or bare minimum re-assess to pay the lower tax and be eternally screwed as our mortgages would be forever upside down underwater. Residency is here to stay, as much as I'd like a house partially in the country too, ain't gonna happen.
If 2000 houses suddenly go on the market what do you think the selling prices will be? You won't make enough on your house to afford a shack in a decent suburb. Be careful what you wish for.
https://patch.com/illinois/tinleypark/tinley-park-may-drop-police-residency-requirement
Usually, it would be mileage from the city limits....not the center...
Wrong, mileage is always done from the center of a city. They have to have a central starting point. Maoquest all nap places use the center of a city
Be very careful. Most suburbs have higher property taxes, water rates, garbage pick up rates. 60% of all teenage drug use is in the burbs. If you have an emergency at home, will the suburban cops look out for your family like the ones in 16 or 22?
Mike the city worker
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Its interesting if we had a 30 mile radius clause and you worked at HQ, 001, 018 or any of the true shit districts 002 through 007. The 30 miles would be from your place of work thus limiting how far away you could move.
6/09/2017 05:07:00y AM"
Your "place of work" is THE CITY OF CHICAGO. Not "35th and Michigan" police or "near north" police or "englewood" police.
6/09/2017 08:53:00 AM
I think he means the 30 mile meter starts at whatever district you work.
Melrose Park still does
7 and out,keeps tax base intact and home values stable!
nonymous said...
I feel sorry for the men and women of the CPD. Many send their children to private schools because we know how CPS runs. The extra burden of paying that tuition for K-12. Mean while other departments and the regular civilians enjoy similar property taxes or less and a great public education systems.
6/09/2017 09:13:00 AM
You believe that snowflake ask about all the drugs and suicides and overdoses at suburban schools where on death certificates they are saying "pneumonia" as the cause of death! How many suburban departments are carrying narcan for heroin overdoses? Be careful what you wish for! Look at Naperville crime and section 8 for example!
I built my palatial country estate 50 miles northwest of the city limits and moved in six months before I retired. It would take me one hour to get to 016 one day and nearly two hours the next day. I never knew if the traffic on the Jane Addams was smooth sailing or a bitch. Don't even get me started on how long it would take me to get to traffic court on my day off at 0900hrs. If you guys and gals finally get to move out of Shitcago do consider Mt.Prospect. Excellent public schools and housing in all price ranges. My kid and his family live there and it is a great suburb. Good luck.
The original post failed to mention that the officers gave up some things in the arbitration agreement.........He noted that, during contract negotiations, the union agreed to revamping the officers' health insurance coverage, with police paying higher co-pays and deductibles, which provided "a significant economic benefit to the village." What exactly would we give up to have residency lifted? I'm not willing to give up anything to live outside the City personally I don't feel we have much we can give up. However, the City has a lot of demands this time (discipline procedures, cutting medical benefits, minimal raises, more "transparency with the community", cameras, slow hiring, change to hiring standards, no change to broken "merit system"). If the City made its required pension payments, continued to offer reduced health care at 55 - already no longer "free" (some officers have poor health before 55 and/or started at a young age so they're maxed at 50 so maybe earlier?) then I'd be willing to give the City some of their demands along with lifting residency. If the City wants a lot it could be the time to look at things but we need a lot in return. Otherwise, arbitration once again and really nothing is going to change. What the City wants in return for lifting residency has to be a win win or it won't fly. What the City would probably want for lifting residency probably wouldn't be worth it but lets at least hear them out. If the City thinks we'd sue and win then maybe they'd give up a lot in return for lifting residency voluntarily. We'll find out in about 2-3 years.
Rosemont PD get a discounted property tax that's why they don't fight residency..
Looking for advice. I currently live in Garfield Ridge and thinking of moving north. Been living here for 8 years and the neighborhood has been changing for the worst. I have small kids so a great neighborhood with good public schools would be ideal if not a good Catholic school would obviously would be the next option. Thanks in advance.
Imagine living in Naperville or Lake Forest? You're in dreamland pal. Even if you had the cash to make the purchase your taxes and city services bills would be close to 20k a year. Plus coppers can't get to work on time even when they live 10 minutes from the station. Thirty miles during rush hour, which seems to be always in Chicago, adds another hour each way. Add that time for court too.
Before any of you start packing your bags, understand this. This was the result of a contract arbitration. That can't happen in Chicago because of the current state legislation that is in place. A lawsuit would take years dragging through the state courts. Changing the legislation would likely be the best course, but the current legislature can't seem to accomplish anything. It's great living in Chicago and even better living in Illinois.
Anonymous said...
Looking for advice. I currently live in Garfield Ridge and thinking of moving north. Been living here for 8 years and the neighborhood has been changing for the worst. I have small kids so a great neighborhood with good public schools would be ideal if not a good Catholic school would obviously would be the next option. Thanks in advance.
6/10/2017 04:07:00 AM
Gravitate to the best public schools and there you'll find the best neighborhoods. Wildwood, sauganash, Norwood are all rated 10, onahan and ebinger close behind at 9. All of these areas have good parishes. If public transportation is important, old Norwood is your best bet, with the metra on the North end and the blue line a short walk away, it's expensive as hell though.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The original post failed to mention that the officers gave up some things in the arbitration agreement.........He noted that, during contract negotiations, the union agreed to revamping the officers' health insurance coverage, with police paying higher co-pays and deductibles, which provided "a significant economic benefit to the village." What exactly would we give up to have residency lifted? I'm not willing to give up anything to live outside the City personally I don't feel we have much we can give up. However, the City has a lot of demands this time (discipline procedures, cutting medical benefits, minimal raises, more "transparency with the community", cameras, slow hiring, change to hiring standards, no change to broken "merit system"). If the City made its required pension payments, continued to offer reduced health care at 55 - already no longer "free" (some officers have poor health before 55 and/or started at a young age so they're maxed at 50 so maybe earlier?) then I'd be willing to give the City some of their demands along with lifting residency. If the City wants a lot it could be the time to look at things but we need a lot in return. Otherwise, arbitration once again and really nothing is going to change. What the City wants in return for lifting residency has to be a win win or it won't fly. What the City would probably want for lifting residency probably wouldn't be worth it but lets at least hear them out. If the City thinks we'd sue and win then maybe they'd give up a lot in return for lifting residency voluntarily. We'll find out in about 2-3 years.
City is not worried about us suing for residency. They have plenty of lawyers, but the FOO has to pay the lawyers which can get expensive. If the city loses at the circuit court level, they just appeal and appeal and can run out out for years. Another big part is there is no penalty for doing that if it were regarding back pay or anything like that it would be different. Also we do not have binding arbitration
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Its interesting if we had a 30 mile radius clause and you worked at HQ, 001, 018 or any of the true shit districts 002 through 007. The 30 miles would be from your place of work thus limiting how far away you could move.
6/09/2017 05:07:00y AM"
Your "place of work" is THE CITY OF CHICAGO. Not "35th and Michigan" police or "near north" police or "englewood" police.
6/09/2017 08:53:00 AM
I think he means the 30 mile meter starts at whatever district you work.
I think that is a stupid statement about where you work. What happens if you get transferred and that takes you out of the mile limits. Do you have to move? No it's not from where you are assigned. Just common sense
Anonymous Anonymous said...
In the days of walking the beat in your neighborhood, reporting to the precinct capt,local residency made some sense. Now the ONLY reason is political.
Another reason was having 13000 police in the city was nice. Many of duty arrests were made and situations were avoided because off duty po's intervened
Is there a way to number the comments from each seperate anonymous so we can see the nitwits who try to load the site with bullcrap statements why cops shouldn't be given the freedom to live where ever they want.
6/10/2017 04:07:00 AM
north of devon/west of cicero...
https://youtu.be/86URGgqONvA
Anonymous said...
Looking for advice. I currently live in Garfield Ridge and thinking of moving north. Been living here for 8 years and the neighborhood has been changing for the worst. I have small kids so a great neighborhood with good public schools would be ideal if not a good Catholic school would obviously would be the next option. Thanks in advance. 6/10/2017 04:07:00AM
— All Chicago is changing worse. But you're 8 yrs in and it sounds like you're in for the long haul.
FYI- you wind up paying around $25- 50k more on comparable housing in Edison Park over Garcia Ridge.
Factor in around $150-200 more on your mortgage and price really shouldn't make a huge difference.
The premium for a little perceived safeness.
Taxes are only slightly higher depending on sq. footage, maybe another $100 or so more than you're accustomed to paying out south.
Bungalows far-far north of I-90 and west of Harlem starting about $350k for 2/3 br and you better be willing to sling a hammer and build up. Plenty of 2 brs that need updating go quick. Ive seen some go for $275-290k.
Watch out for those cheap houses that lay under the Ohare flight paths too, some people dumping their houses for losses when they finally can't stand anymore of the increasing jet traffic.
Bottom line- in my opinion :
Forget anything east of Harlem and south of I-90...especially in Section8 Arenas 45th Ward.
Get a map. It worked for me 20 years ago. Good luck.
You believe that snowflake ask about all the drugs and suicides and overdoses at suburban schools where on death certificates they are saying "pneumonia" as the cause of death! How many suburban departments are carrying narcan for heroin overdoses? Be careful what you wish for! Look at Naperville crime and section 8 for example!
Yea Naperville is a lot worse than Chicago..what?! That's a parenting issue not a "where you live issue". People saying that residency can never change and don't try are the problem. There's not gonna be a mass Exodus, retired city workers still live here. Why are they still here then?
Better call Saul!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Is there a way to number the comments from each seperate anonymous so we can see the nitwits who try to load the site with bullcrap statements why cops shouldn't be given the freedom to live where ever they want.
6/10/2017 11:27:00 AM
Makes no difference. Why load up the blog. Comments on the blog aren't going to decide the issue or have any bearing on the blog
Anonymous said...
Is there a way to number the comments from each seperate anonymous so we can see the nitwits who try to load the site with bullcrap statements why cops shouldn't be given the freedom to live where ever they want.
6/10/2017 11:27:00 AM
For what? So you can pout? We all know certain interest groups double down on their posts here. We all know Rahm has lackeys posting here. Big deal.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
If 2000 houses suddenly go on the market what do you think the selling prices will be? You won't make enough on your house to afford a shack in a decent suburb. Be careful what you wish for.
6/09/2017 05:11:00 PM
Well I guess you shouldn't have spent so much on your house. It's called living within your means, kid. It worked for us. This is a job, not house arrest. And yes, I knew I had to live here when I took the job, but nearly 20 years later, I'm tired of it. These draconian rules are robbing me of the peace and quiet I need in a less congested environment. It's a health and wellness issue.
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