Stop Using Tasers (Long Post)
You want to see a completely lib-tarded, social-justice-warrior, left-slanted-media article, take a look at the Tribune's article on Taser's yesterday:
- The Chicago Police Department plans to own as many as 6,900 Tasers by the end of 2017, a ninefold increase from just two years ago and enough to give every officer on patrol an electric shock weapon that can drop a person in an instant.
Seriously? In the very first paragraph, they set cops up by praising this SUPER WEAPON! that can drop a person in an instant. ::Snap!:: Just like that! How many readers can come up with a story where a Taser didn't work? Just off the top of our heads, we personally can come up with dozens of instances among our writers where the Taser probes (a) missed, (b) bad contacts, (c) merely slowed someone down, and worst case (d) the subject fought through the SUPER WEAPON and had to be re-tasered/mechanically subdued/escaped. The Taser is only a tool - a tool that fails at times.
- Saying Tasers were part of his plan to "ensure the safety of every resident," Mayor Rahm Emanuel embraced the devices as an alternative to guns after Laquan McDonald's fatal shooting by an officer sparked widespread outrage in late 2015.
But a Chicago Tribune examination of thousands of pages of city records and data on about 4,700 Taser uses over the last decade has raised questions about the department's reliance on the weapon.
We can hardly wait to see the Tribune examination that will make officers even more hesitant to use any force on any subject lest they become the subject of IPRA/COPA investigations, second-guessing by bosses who have never worked the street, prosecutors looking to make a name for themselves or media witch hunts.
- Among the findings:
•Some officers have used Tasers with unusual regularity. Cops who deployed a Taser did so twice on average, but 16 officers each used a Taser 15 or more times over the last decade.
First of all, those using it twice - was that two different occasions or shocking twice with one discharge or using both cartridges? Because the "reporters" never specify. The current Taser has two sets of probes. The previous Taser allowed multiple cycles to be generated with one set of probes. This is a number that means nothing without context.
Fifteen times in ten years? So once every eight months? This is a big deal? What Districts did they work in? What shift? Where's the context? And if it's 16 different officers - we'll do the math out loud as a courtesy to Einstein - 16 individual officers, divided by the supposed strength of 10,000 officers, equals 0.0016. Multiply the result by 100 in order to express it as a percentage and you get 0.16% - sixteen-hundredths-of-one-percent. Again, this is a big deal why? (Hint - it isn't.)
Fifteen times in ten years? So once every eight months? This is a big deal? What Districts did they work in? What shift? Where's the context? And if it's 16 different officers - we'll do the math out loud as a courtesy to Einstein - 16 individual officers, divided by the supposed strength of 10,000 officers, equals 0.0016. Multiply the result by 100 in order to express it as a percentage and you get 0.16% - sixteen-hundredths-of-one-percent. Again, this is a big deal why? (Hint - it isn't.)
- •In a department that has historically disregarded red flags suggesting misconduct or excessive force, some of the heaviest Taser users also racked up complaints and shootings. One officer who used a Taser 18 times also fired his gun at people on five separate occasions, wounding three. He also shot and wounded a dog.
Again, context. District? Watch? Assignment? Someone in a unit tasked with apprehending known, wanted felons with a history of carrying guns and exhibiting violent behavior is going to rack up weapon usage. The Tribune says "some" but doesn't note if this single officers is one of the same 16 who use their Taser once every eight months or someone else. And 1 out of 10,000 is 0.01% (one-hundredth-of-one-percent) - a picture of restraint for the rest of the Department.
- •The city's police disciplinary agency fully investigated few Taser uses, leaving the task largely to a Police Department whose reviews of nonlethal force were criticized by the U.S. Department of Justice in January as cursory. A closer look at about 100 Taser incidents by some of the most frequent users found that command officers held that the use of force complied with department policy in every instance.
Again, context. And what a testament to the training of our Department that the Use of Force is so strictly adhered to. Take THAT Dept. of Justice!
- •A Tribune review of city Law Department data as well as court records found that the city has paid or agreed to pay at least $23.1 million in lawsuits involving Taser use since 2005.
And did the City fight a single one of these lawsuits in a Court of Law where evidence can be presented, both sides heard and blame assessed by a judge and jury? The Tribune helpfully left all that out in case it interfered with the bias they're attempting to inject into their "reporting."
- •At least eight people have died since 2005 after Chicago police used Tasers on them. Drug use or other factors were ruled the cause of death in all but one of those cases, however.
Underlying health problems become a lot less underlying when you exert yourself running, climbing, fighting to get away from jail or prison time.
Here's our favorite part though:
Here's our favorite part though:
- •Nearly three-fourths of those targeted with Tasers were black, though African-Americans comprise about one-third of the city's residents. The racial disparity in Taser use mirrors other forms of police contact with citizens, including street stops, and a department spokesman noted that police activity is heavier in violent neighborhoods, some with large African-American populations. The Tribune, however, found that officers have disproportionately used the weapons against black people even in largely white neighborhoods.
Can we assume that 100% of those "targeted" by Tasers were active resistors or assailants? Because the Tribune makes no allegation of Tasers being used improperly to torture or punish, which would have led the article if they had a single instance at all.
In any event, has the Tribune availed themselves of the fine website known as HeyJackass.com? You'll never guess what the citywide racial breakdown of victims in shootings ends up being. It's 78.5% black. And as we have no media coverage of roving bands of pale-skinned gunmen shooting up the hood, we can safely assume that the assailants are in the same percentage ranges (citywide).
The "reporters" also rely on the fully-debunked liberal trope that crime stats should mirror the population (i.e. since one third of the population is black, one third of the street stops should be black.) This is so much horseshit. Neighborhoods, let along police districts, aren't divided up one-third black, one-third white and one third brown. It isn't reality. And unfortunately, reality is that well over two-thirds of the identified criminals in Chicago are of one race.
And that last sentence - The Tribune, however, found that officers have disproportionately used the weapons against black people even in largely white neighborhoods - has the Tribune availed itself of another fine website? The Crime in Wrigleyville and Boystown site? They cover crime in a semi-diverse part of town, where the robbery offenders, rapists, shooters seem to congregate due to the belief that there are large numbers of persons who won't fight back.
Guess who those offenders are, percentage-wise?
The Tribune then goes on about the asshole who died after breaking free of officers, running, being Tasered and falling into a pole (pause for laughter here). We don't see where that is even remotely the fault of police or the Taser for that matter. Everything that occurred was directly attributable to the actions of the criminal. Period. Full stop. End of story.
You can read the rest of the article at the link up top. It repeats and rehashes most of what we covered here, concentrating on supposed "racial disparities" without once citing the racial reality of Chicago. That would cloud the message you know - that police are bad. And the only logical result is further disengagement by the police, leaving the "community" to continue its increasing speed down the slippery slope, aided and abetted by the leftist media. Stay fetal.
In any event, has the Tribune availed themselves of the fine website known as HeyJackass.com? You'll never guess what the citywide racial breakdown of victims in shootings ends up being. It's 78.5% black. And as we have no media coverage of roving bands of pale-skinned gunmen shooting up the hood, we can safely assume that the assailants are in the same percentage ranges (citywide).
The "reporters" also rely on the fully-debunked liberal trope that crime stats should mirror the population (i.e. since one third of the population is black, one third of the street stops should be black.) This is so much horseshit. Neighborhoods, let along police districts, aren't divided up one-third black, one-third white and one third brown. It isn't reality. And unfortunately, reality is that well over two-thirds of the identified criminals in Chicago are of one race.
And that last sentence - The Tribune, however, found that officers have disproportionately used the weapons against black people even in largely white neighborhoods - has the Tribune availed itself of another fine website? The Crime in Wrigleyville and Boystown site? They cover crime in a semi-diverse part of town, where the robbery offenders, rapists, shooters seem to congregate due to the belief that there are large numbers of persons who won't fight back.
Guess who those offenders are, percentage-wise?
The Tribune then goes on about the asshole who died after breaking free of officers, running, being Tasered and falling into a pole (pause for laughter here). We don't see where that is even remotely the fault of police or the Taser for that matter. Everything that occurred was directly attributable to the actions of the criminal. Period. Full stop. End of story.
You can read the rest of the article at the link up top. It repeats and rehashes most of what we covered here, concentrating on supposed "racial disparities" without once citing the racial reality of Chicago. That would cloud the message you know - that police are bad. And the only logical result is further disengagement by the police, leaving the "community" to continue its increasing speed down the slippery slope, aided and abetted by the leftist media. Stay fetal.
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124 Comments:
Fetal. It's the only way.
Pander
Pandora
Coincidental?
Dan Hinkel and Jennifer Smith Richards are a couple of policists. They hate us because of our occupation.
Stay fetal my friends, let the mutts keep embarrassing themselves day after day. Time to take another statue down because my feelings are hurt. :( what a society of pussies this has become. Disgraceful.
"Stop Using Tasers"
Ok then...
Let's go back to punches, elbows, slaps, kicks, stomps,
joint-crushing control holds and the assorted
pavement-cracking/floor-breaking full power
slams, throws and take-downs.
Oh wait...
That was from when Policemen were expected
to be big, strong, aggressive, and mean.
The public is really stupid in thinking
Policemen are compelled to be nice and fight fair.
And speaking of fighting fair...
We always thought it strange that it's ok for
Policemen to use a telescoping piece of steel pipe
some 16" to 20"+ in length but people get all
squeamish about a 15 inch double-stuffed,
triple-layer, triple-stitched, lead-filled,
leather-bound, beaver-tailed, retention strapped
"one pound instant fight-stopper."
It was better when Policemen weren't expected to
try and hug bad people into compliance.
We would just open-hand slap the uncooperative/resisting
ass to the pavement, put the cuffs on and drag the unconscious
ass to the wagon.
No fighting. No drama. No time for a bunch of
nosy m/fers to pull out their sail fones.
>SLAP! Thud!<
"Shit! What'd the Cop do?
It happened so fast that I missed it!"
The other stupid thing is the "no high-sticking/no
loading for a power shot" decree that pops up
every now and then concerning impact weapons.
How can you make a positive impression
on an upright walking and talking piece
of shit if you don't hit it hard enough?
Stay fetal is right. Why anyone would still attempt to do police work in this climate is inexplicable.
Sounds like the media is ordering us to racial quotas on police stops and interactions. "Event number for a positive interaction?" Bet those are all whitey too. 😂
There are no "reporters" anymore. Just punk kids
who barely passed J. School, if they did bother to
enroll. Two, three recent college grads sharing an
apartment in the Big City. The dream of the big job,
the big name, the big future faded a long time ago.
They work, they party, they crash, they have trouble
with the rent.
Don't expect weapons-like details from these Chiefs.
They're hacks. They phone it in all the time.
OT: Can anyone shed some light on the obviously never worked the street Sgt Never "been the police" ette? Gotta be another merit hack assigned to a position that actually needs someone with street experience and intelligence.
A cop in South Carolina got shot multiple times but survived. He was trying to stop a guy after somebody called and said the guy was causing problems at a convenience store. The guy was talking on the phone with one hand and his other hand was in his jacket pocket when the cop went to stop him. Cop pulled out his taser because the guy wasn't responding to verbal commands and was walking away and in a split second the guy pulls out a gun and starts shooting. I'm not judging the cop at all. I'm pointing out the mindset they're forcing cops to have. At first the guy was an active resister so the cop thought the taser would do the trick if he kept on resisting. In a split second it went to a deadly force situation. Cop was thinking less lethal force when he actually needed to have his gun out. They're making cops sacrifice safety to conform to policy and it could've gotten this cop killed.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/10/south-carolina-cop-survives-shooting-on-video-tell-my-family-love-them.html
No! Not 1/3 is black, the DOJ said otherwise, that more than. 33% is black in Chicago! Blasphemy!
I'd like to have a photo of Rahm embracing
those devices. It's Taser, not laser, and couldn't
hit an Olympic sprinter if it wanted to.
It was an excuse to placate the Black public using
public funds on a magic device.
The Taser is not foolproof. Throw in psych meds, illegal
drugs, alcohol, and you have a recipe for disaster.
Guess what? The Taser company got this device on the
market without data about interactions between voltage
and illegal drugs. You know why? The FDA won't allow
such studies. So the cop turns out to be the Guinea pig
along with the felon. It's a role of the dice: individual physical
health, voltage, and drugs. It could be argued that Taser is the
real villain because they knew about this shit before the product
was released.
Why people come on this job is beyond me.
No stats of officers shooting themselves with the tasers? Those stories are hilarious.
F-ing madness!
What do the authors want? Random stops on whites for Tazer Tastings??
May I suggest you start with those authors, if appropriate....
If crime stats should mirror the population, then blacks in the city must realize they are over-representing themselves.
I'd love to hear some kind of rebuttal from these "journalists", but of course we won't. Great job, SSC.
God, I can't wait to get the fuck off this job.
Tase them all! Thank you RhamBo
time to remove the "to serve and protect" with "damned if we do... damned if we don't"
Tasers are "Less Lethal" Weapons.
No one should think that they are a harmless way to subdue someone.
You light someone up, and they may die.
Bad heart, skinfull of drugs, or ugly fall, and you have a corpse to explain.
Would I prefer to be shot by a gun or a taser?
I would prefer to cooperate with the police, and not get either.
Bullets are cheaper and much more effective.
Oh for the Good Ole days when we took care of Bidness without all these FRIGGIN SNOWFLAKES....
The union should be on the news every day saying the statistics of the crimes and who commits them and the areas they happen and then produce real stats as why the police stop more people in a certain area (because of crime) and certain people (of color because of their criminal behavior) not because they are a minority or black but because of the content of their behavior. Every day this should be on the news. Then maybe the union can start its own campaign of fixing how the public and the criminals treat police officers and what that does to their physical and mental well being.
The mayor cannot continue to allow its public and media to constantly demean, and defame the character of its police employees. We should see the FOP on the news and in the papers everyday about this.
I find the article shocking!
Tribune= bird cage carpeting
SCC-
i truly appreciate you always deciphering what the FAKE NEWS media in chicago is writing.
and don't forget to turn down your sirens!!! they are too loud and scary, and of course racist.
OT, thanks mr president for pardoning a true American hero sheriff arpao
I dropped the Trib years ago. Here's an idea for you...learn to live without it! We no longer get a newspaper and are very well informed. We brew our own coffee and don't buy the overpriced stuff that tastes like burnt rubber, and soft drinks have been replaced by coffee or water. Turned on the TV yesterday for company as I ate a sandwich for lunch and realized that the commercials were still playing when I finished lunch, no programming. The cable bill will be the next to go, it's just too many commercials or liberal bullshit!
•A Tribune review of city Law Department data as well as court records found that the city has paid or agreed to pay at least $23.1 million in lawsuits involving Taser use since 2005.
And did the City fight a single one of these lawsuits in a Court of Law where evidence can be presented, both sides heard and blame assessed by a judge and jury? The Tribune helpfully left all that out in case it interfered with the bias they're attempting to inject into their "reporting.
I want a list of these attorneys. Names, firms, which law school they went to, their skin color, and oh ya, every single penny they donated to political campaigns, and PACs, and business associations. Come Tribune, do some real research!
laser equipage is just the next step in totally disarming CPD (except for units assigned to "protect" 9.5 & other top Rahmista's).
as an economy saving move, next wave of lasers will be imported from china & intentionally designed/produced to not work properly, leaving the officer defenseless
You guys should never go to the aid of any rahmista politician or any of their fakenews propagandists. Let them get mugged or worse
This is typical of the Main Stream Media.
They intentionally take any right wing (political) or righteous (police) story and portray it in the 'Glass half empty' fashion. (Negative only reporting)
Sometimes I think MSM stands for Magical Story Manipulation. 'Look over here, not over there!'
In magic, it's called misdirection. In MSM reporting it's called misinformation.
So sit back, watch the 'false shuffle, slight of hand, classic force,palm and misdirection.'
The only thing missing is the, "Alacazam!"
Whizzo
I use my Taser to help Rham get votes and be re-elected
Years ago a bored supervisor in 023 looked at all reported crimes in the district and found that over 80 percent of offenders listed on case reports were described by victims and witnesses as black. This in an area that is nowhere near 80 percent black. So are the victims and witnesses being racist or is this simply an inconvenient truth.
With a disproportionally high number of listed offenders being black the police are obviously going to be in contact with more blacks than other races while handling these incidents. Streets stops, vehicle stops, foot chases, and arrests and use of force incidents should all reflect this same disproportionately high number of blacks. You have to look other things besides the population of a particular area you bunch of idiots.
Perhaps some media types would like to investigate this. Hell just get a scanner and listen for a day while and make yourself a list of offender descriptions as they are read off over the air.
The Tribune needs to fold and go away like the Daily news.
Citizen troll: A great great post but you lost me in the math paragraph. Luckily I had my trusty cell phone calculator and figured it out and checked your math. Seriously, I would suspect busy policemen on busy beats are going to make more arrests of combative shall we call them peeple and the use tasers as a choice more often than others. Journalists cannot be expected to under stand reason and logic because dogma is taught to journalists. They are irrelevant and should dismissed for the university educated idiots that they are. They couldn't even drag Hillary across the finish line. Tasers are a tool at your disposal and you decide if and when to use them on a case by case basis. Listen, I know the press it totally consumed with the Trump beat down 24/7/365 and their fascist neo leftist agenda but most of the people in the country support the police and the press are not going to support that. There is a reason while public approval of the press is similar to Congress at about 16% and that reason is people who are responsible for this Trib article suck.
Future CPD Officers will only be armed with Tasers, and silly string.
MITCHELL: New law could be unintentional stumbling block for ex-felons
http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/mitchell-new-law-could-be-unintentional-stumbling-block-for-ex-felons/
Felons should not be able to associate with other gang banger or other criminals. It is part of the punishment for committing crimes. How about you just teach to not commit the crime. And Mopraah, its not against black people. Murder is murder and is the same to anyone not just black people. Just because they can't follow the law doesn't mean the law and system was made against them.
I guess if the changes to make it better for criminal felons to be able to hang out with fellow criminals then RULE 47 will have to be removed also. Equal protection under the law.
Have you seen the hiring requirements as well these days. Where is Joe Ferguson on that issue. The dept is hiring people without even doing any criminal background checks on applicants, they don't need to follow the same rules as everyone else, like having no financial issues, no criminal record, no drivers license etc... all because of what? Yep you guessed it, the color of their skin. The dept said they have to get more black people on the job and that they are doing. Not because they are highly qualified or more qualified then other, but just because of the color of their skin. I thought that was not allowed. So why then is the dept doing it and why do officers already on the job have to follow rules that new officers do not.
And you wonder why people have issues against each other, it is created by the non conformity of qualifications and the not profiling because of race but it is okay to hire based solely on their race.
Ex. "you got on the job because of your white privilege" and you got on because "you are black"
That rhetoric and hiring practice is the most divisive situation you can place any of its employees in and the public in general.
Hey law abiding citizen! The Chicago Tribune wants you dead.
Hey law abiding citizen! The Chicago Tribune wants you dead.
Rahm would rather officers use a giant feather to tickle his prospective voters into laughter. Imagine he has some kinky contacts from his bathhouse who would be more than willing to bid on a contract (200% mark-up, of course) to provide all uniformed men and women with feathers along with training/consulting services on the proper use of force with them.
Fuck you, Rahm. Nice how you also have your little hand-picked IG releasing stories to the Sun-Times today about employees who make upwards of $100K due to overtime and slamming the unions and asking that they, instead, be partners with you. You smarmy little man. "4 for me, .01 for you. 5 for me, .01 for you." I hope you suffer an extremely painful and premature death, you little karma-tempting monster.
I carry a .45 caliber Semi-Automatic Handgun. It will drop someone a half football field away in an instant, and I expect it will work 100 percent of the time. I am now a Fetal Sleeping bear, but I can be disturbed and poked with a sharp stick.
And FYI...100 Percent of Police officers carry these type of weapons...
I agree. Ban tasers. Too many officers have been seriously injured or were killed deploying tasers instead of using the needed deadly force.
The focus of the entire article is to feed the BLM/AntiFA agenda. Police are bad are whites are privileged. The Tribune is a worthless publication and it's so called writers are so biased that they are ignored throughout the city except when it suits the liberal agenda. Stay fetal and let the city burn. Protect each other, protect your family and remember, a very large portion of the residents actually are on your side, just not in the ghetto.
And for some reason, cops still buy/subscribe to the Tribune and sun times. I see it all the time in court and the districts. Why in the hell do cops still pay money to support these fake news tabloids who do non-stop smear campaigns against ud?
So ????
When will the Taze Whitey missions start ? To fix this..... jus sayin
Index ??? on tazed whites is down this month.. Get out there/
If blacks are 14% of the US population:
14% of the NBA should be black.
14% of the NFL should be black.
14% of the Post Office should be black.
14% of bus drivers should be black.
Etc, etc, etc...
So what would the tribune have us do randomly stop innocent white people to make the numbers look better. Please explain. Fricken morons.
Tasers and now body cameras. Is any checking the battery levels of these devices that are attached to our bodies for 8 hours a day. My guess is that they are not exactly safe.
Remember folks police are the ones who need interventions but not the criminals
Meaning more proactive work more stress. Criminals more violent crimes committed its ok police have been warned....
Get ready for this. Now liberal Reuters is against tasers. So, no gun, taser, or baton use. Switch to pool noodles and all is well. https://www.reuters.com/investigates/section/usa-taser/
That crap-article is unmitigated bullshit. It's nothing but anti-police propaganda.
It's full of so many mistakes and outright lies that it would take two webpages to comment on them all.
But one of the most blatant mistakes -- out of scores of blatant mistakes -- is where it states that White People are HALF of Chicago's population. That hasn't been true for yeeeeears: Whites are 1/3, Blacks are 1/3, and Hispanics are 1/3. Everyone knows it, and the Tribune sure as hell should!
The only reason to say White's are One-Half of Chicago's population is to make the damning insinuation in the article of Police Racism against Blacks even worse than it would be at 1/3 the population.
These leftists can -- kiss...my...ass!
Clearly, the only tool you need to subdue bad guys is a pocketful of homemade cookies (gluten free, of course). Once offered these symbols of all the love and care they didn't experience in their own sad and neglected childhoods, they will whimper and suck their thumbs and meekly do your bidding.
For the REALLY tough cases, a few verses of kumbaya and a hug should do the trick.
Because its not as if thugs are dangerous, or anything. Not like they hate the police. They are, as anyone with a heart knows, only misguided, misunderstood lost souls who are trying to turn their lives around so they can be aeronautical engineers or cancer researchers that will save humanity. The only thing standing between them and the next Nobel Prize is you, your heartless and nasty LEOS.
The police are the problem.
Rahm, BLM, the media, Lori Lightfoot etc. all continue to beat that drum.
We all know damn well that " the community" is the problem.
Nobody ever wants to admit that though.
Two hilarious parts not commented on are these.
1) The "Racial Disparity" stuff is backfiring bigtime, here is why. What was once billed as "yer targeting people BECAUSE they are black is FINALLY being understood as "Black People are committing the vast majority of the crime".
2) It was the lefties, the media included, who INSISTED that tazers be used as a less than lethal use of force! Use of them INSTEAD of firearms was SUPPOSED to be done, demanded by lefties to be done, and now that it IS done, they whine some more?? Yeah, that is why the backlash is finally coming to pass...people are seeing that no matter WHAT you do, especially when you do what lefties demand, the instant you DO then the lefties complain some more about something else (even their own friggin demands).
Black people, mostly younger black males, are disproportionately COMMITTING THE CRIME!
Kinda like how mostly younger muslim males are committing the terrorism....
Truth Hurts Sometimes.
This is one of those times.
More black people are being arrested for committing crimes because more black people are indeed committing crimes. They are not being arrested BECAUSE they are black and they are not committing crimes BECAUSE they are black. Reporters are trying to lie about both instances, trying to blame BOTH on skin color and that right there exposes who the REAL RACISTS are.....the reporters (and professors and politicians) blaming skin color, THEMSELVES!
Also, lets not forget what former Supt. has the taser contract.
But don't worry, everything is legit here.
OT, but you guys should see this, especially in light of the fact that this scum is planning shit in Chicago for November 4th
Antifa hosts workshop on "Our Enemies in Blue":
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-25/armed-antifa-group-hosts-%E2%80%9Cour-enemies-blue%E2%80%9D-anti-police-workshop
If there's an incident were a Taser could be used, I'll wait and use my gun instead. My thoughts, if an incident has escalated to the Taser, then your life is in danger or going to be in short order. Suddenly, the department is telling us to rely on the Taser instead of using deadly force when your justified; they and we know this tool is not always reliable. Thus, we are putting ourselves in harms way in their social experiment. This is just me and I'm not telling anyone else what to do, but I'm not going to employ the Taser unless I'm ordered to do so. Stay Fetal and just drive by and wave......
Fuck it you know how many people we don't taz because it's a headache. When people act a fool on our camera and then get tazed it will be justified and hilarious in court. Let morons learn the hard way.
"There is more law at the end of a policeman's nightstick than in a decision of the Supreme Court". - 19th Century NYPD Inspector Alexander "Clubber" WILLIAMS
I work a beat car and this is exactly why I avoid all possible citizen contact!
The second guessing by the media whores and police hating public drives me into hiding and no contact with the public!
Once I retire, I will be so glad to leave Chicago and Illinois, after being a life long, born and raised resident of Chicago!
This place full of commie liberals, SUCKS!
It used to be not everyone was taser-qualified..does that enter into the frequent use equation? ...
Disregard this fake news. Lately, anything out of the Trib or Suntimes is all fake news.
ed in texas
A comment from down south. After some issues with tasers here, TXDPS ran some informal tests. What the target is wearing can be very important. If they're wearing a insulated coat with a synthetic waterproof outer, you're basically trying to shock a giant ball of insulation.
Just sayin'...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Why people come on this job is beyond me.
8/26/2017 02:10:00 AM
Maybe for the money, the health insurance, job security, pension, medical and maybe they just want to be a police officers
Some, more frequently than years before can't find a job with the above benefits
And finally because they don't know any better and think the job is stil what it used to be
I used a taser once it didnt work too many layers,I like my Sabre foam pepper spray its always worked,I broke up a fight of 20 people by myself with it.
Old Time Task Force Ranger:
1st Col. Robert McCormack the founder of the Chicago Tribune must be rolling over in
in his grave. McCormack was a staunch Republican who would be consider a far
right conservative in todays times.
2nd I suggest that everyone reads the Communist Manifesto - the first steps to take
over a country is to discredit and take over it's military and it's police
forces. This is occurring now.
3rd. Has any one read Rules for Radicals. there are 13 rules to take over and
deaminize your enemy'. Rule 13-Pick a target, freeze it, personalize it, and
polarize it. The far left liberal Democratics are doing this to both the
President and our Police Forces. This article is part of the pattern to
discredit the Police Department and take it over. Shall I suggest the ACLU
writing our street stop policies.
4. I only hope that the current FOP President writes a rebuttal letter to the
editor and rebuts this misinformed article. Maybe if he won't allow Martin
Prieb to write one
For me and mine, I say go back to using guns. But it is time to stop the experiment of allowing 5'2", women and otherwise compromised people from being the police in order to satisfy the eeoc... There is no equal in justice there is only justice. There are no constitutional rights when approached by law enforcement on a legitimate complaint, the officer(s) are there to uphold the law and "everyone's" constitutional rights, the same as the bullshit they give you when they search you at the airport!!!!!
Also Lequan McDonald was carrying a knife threateningly in public. Case closed for me and mine I want to know WTF people expected? I want all the critics to tell me their solution to the issue. Then I want to let them carry it out in a mock scenario and see what happens to them. I'm betting they are DED!!!!
Lastly it needs to go back to the old rule that if you touch a police officer, you deserve what you get!!!! Stop the BS and restore law and ORDER!!!!
RAhM; tase your kid for lying to the Police about how you lost your phone.
How about we just "throw the book at them" LOL, it might not hurt, they certainly won't read it "much less pick up a book"
Tribune trying took like the friends of the downtrodden brother. WTF, glad I don't subscribe anymore to what was once a great newspaper, now not even worth throwing on the floor for a puppy to piss on.
Why people come on this job is beyond me.
8/26/2017 02:10:00 AM
Watch, just like everything else in liberalismland, the future quality will be severely diluted in order to meet staffing needs.
Used it numerous times, alll active resistors.(fighters) Sued once, city settled. Went back to the hickory stick. City attorney wasn't happy with the use of teasers, even by policy. Gone fetal,
I wonder what black community they live in?
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Dan Hinkel and Jennifer Smith Richards
Let's those idiots drown in crime.
More drivel to separate and divide the whatever's left of people seeking Law and Order.
This is the kind of bullshit that's found on the internet posted by the blm.
If little green martians came down from the sky and started robbing, raping, pillaging and shooting people with ray guns, the liberals would demand leniency and tolerance. Because "they're different and don't know any better".
The article isn't a expose, investigative or matter of fact news story, it's a political statement for change again.
What fu-kin difference does it make who the fu-k beats, robs or shoots you?
Most everyone wants their safety and to keep their property, and some sort of "penalty" for the bad guy.
Is it the fault of the Police that there's a disparaging amount of violent lawless thugs actively resisting law and order?
No - in Chicago it's Rahm Princkwinkle KmFoxxxx and Special Ed also that hawaiian hack that packed up right-quick and fled to D.C.
Anonymous said...
OT: Can anyone shed some light on the obviously never worked the street Sgt Never "been the police" ette? Gotta be another merit hack assigned to a position that actually needs someone with street experience and intelligence.
8/26/2017 01:18:00 AM
Could you narrow it down a bit? lol
26/2017 02:10:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
No stats of officers shooting themselves with the tasers? Those stories are hilarious.
8/26/2017 02:35:00 AM
Ask J.B. from CPIC about the time he tazed himself.
I am not a LEOand even I know why there have been a number of guys that have used it 15 or more times in the last decade.
Because years ago there were very few Tasers in each district & people qualified to use it. So when it was needed years ago the officers would have to request to have someone with a taser to come to the scene. Well "common sense" would tell the you that if there are few out there that the use by the people with them would be up.
Oh I'm sorry! I mistaken assume that the writer of the has "common sense".
You did say the Trib. My Bad
On our watch we rarely get a taser until 3-4 hours into the shift. Just like manpower the department is short on tasers too. Time due Denied
rakes , 2x4's , pointed sticks , knives , clubs
use your glock or S&W to end threat to yourself or partner
fist , feet , advancing in a threatening manner
use baton,asp,mace or taser
choke hold , use your knife or gun
once u r choked out , you will be disarmed and murdered
special ed , consulted with gang banger and decided to strip a police officer that used 1 kick to prevent his partner from being choked to death , disarmed
vote of no confidence for that one
Policing in this city is finished. We know this . The city will die s slow painful death. A gunshot to the stomach long death
Sad people are more concerned with statues than living innocent people who are killed to gun violence. I guess a demonstration at Balbo and Michigan is more important than protesting gangs in Englewood or Little Village.
Best thing I did was walking away from this city. I'm now living in a nice town with way less b.s. with an occasional traffic crash report. Good luck to you guys but I don't get why you stick with the city.
When I went through the academy Marsh was a gym instructor. One day he was showing us a taser. He was sitting there and zap himself three times and nothing. Then he asked for a volunteer. Zapped him once and he went down. Of course Marsh was an exception to the rule.
The ACLU loves Tasers. Why? $$$
If an officer needs to use force and doesn't have a Taser, they sue, arguing the suspect would have been injured less if a Taser had been used.
If an officer does use a Taser, the ACLU can still sue, claiming excessive force or insufficient training or whatever other bullshit.
It's never the perp's fault; only the police.
What happened to Rousell?
"And unfortunately, reality is that well over two-thirds of the identified criminals in Chicago are of one race."
Looking at the Homicide stats, I think that the folks from La Raza Pharmaceutical Cartel are upping their game lately. Rahm and the City of Chicago's Sanctuary City Laws are making La Raza the new preferred Human Resources provider for all your Criminal Chicago needs.
"And unfortunately, reality is that well over two-thirds of the identified criminals in Chicago are of one race."
I didn't think Amish was a race?
In the Black community complying with lawful orders is optional at best. Not complying equals resisting. This is a no brainer why peoples and folks are getting hit with the taser more frequently than their numbers would suggest.
How about "M......" in 015 who tazed a guy on pcp with NO EFFECT! He tazed a bunch and the tazer kept dropping the intensity of the stun.
"We would just open-hand slap the uncooperative/resisting
ass to the pavement, put the cuffs on and drag the unconscious ass to the wagon."
"Shit! What'd the Cop do?
It happened so fast that I missed it!"
______________________________
The Poleece kilt him!
I saw it wit mine own eyes! Dey shot Ray-Ray dedd!
---
*Riotous crowd forms after Socialist Media reports Chicago Police shot and killed a man in Englewood and then removed his body.*
*Officers pelted by rocks, bottles, and untaxed soda cans.*
That would never happen. /sarc
You can never win with this always a victim group. A long time ago I was a ticket agent for the Chicago Transit Authority and was working the station at Clark and Division when 3 members of this group went to jump over the turnstiles a man and woman made it but the other woman was too fat to make it over so she came by the agent's booth and thought she could just waltz through but my turnstile was locked and I would not let her through until she paid. At this point the 3 started in with their threats about me being a white racist and how they were going to kick my ass. Well I did not relent. So I see the jumpers using the public phone. Then they came back to threaten me some more. The next thing that happened was the police came in. One of them was the sgt. So they asked what happened. The jumpers said they had paid 3 fares but that I would not let the fat one through. They also said I was calling them the "n" word and that I was a racist. Then police asked me what happened and I told them. So the loud mouths kept up the racist rant. The sgt said knock off that racist bullshit and pay your fares or get locked up. So they did. But guess what they did. They made a complaint to the CTA saying I was using the "n" word and was a racist. So I get called to go see my superintendent to answer the complaint which went nowhere but it was on my time. And in the Tribunes article it said more black people were getting tasered than others I would have to say from what I observed on the CTA they are the ones comitting the bulk of crimes on the CTA. And there that's not racist it's just the truth. So other people encounter this not just the police. Thank for what you do as you helped me numerous times on that job.
OT. Thank you, President Donald J. Trump, for doing the right thing.
If not for you, a liberal judge would have incarcerated the 85 year old patriot, and former Sheriff, Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County, Arizona.
I dropped the Trib years ago. Here's an idea for you...learn to live without it! We no longer get a newspaper and are very well informed. We brew our own coffee and don't buy the overpriced stuff that tastes like burnt rubber, and soft drinks have been replaced by coffee or water. Turned on the TV yesterday for company as I ate a sandwich for lunch and realized that the commercials were still playing when I finished lunch, no programming. The cable bill will be the next to go, it's just too many commercials or liberal bullshit!
8/26/2017 07:43:00 AM
Dropped the Fibune, Scum-Times, Newsweek & Time years ago. Read books. Check.
Been brewing my own coffee for years. Check.
Have not had a soft drink in years. Check.
Make my meals at home. Check.
Go to work. Come home. No tavern.
Launch the cable? Wait a minute! You best check yourself!
I don't chase the fairer sex, don't drink booze and I sold the fast car years ago. What the hell is left? But for a nice blend of books and cable, I would have off time on my hands and I might do something quite wild like go buy a project car or a freaking motorcycle!
Tribune had article today on Georgia police use of a tazer Offender died afterward. Now the won't want gazers used
Retired, retired, retired. Oh, I'm so happy to be retired.
If blacks are 14% of the US population:
14% of the NBA should be black.
14% of the NFL should be black.
14% of the Post Office should be black.
14% of bus drivers should be black.
Etc, etc, etc...
8/26/2017 09:23:00 AM
Amen!
Thanks for doing the right thing instead of folding. Others, both black and white, would have just looked the other way and allowed them to do as they unjustly demanded. A tip of the hat to you.
Hey SSC i see your story on car jackings got a nice little mention on American Thinker hell it was your story
We would just open-hand slap the uncooperative/resisting
ass to the pavement, put the cuffs on and drag the unconscious ass to the wagon.
Hit him wrong, and you'll be taking him to the morgue.
Statistics are clumpy. If you flip a coin 10 times it's not only not necessarily going to come up 5h\5t... it's unlikely to happen.
So, yeah, even with random chance you're gonna have some cops who do X more than others. That's just how statistics work. If you're going to make anything of it you have to actually look into it. You know... journalism?
Nuff Said... said...
I carry a .45 caliber Semi-Automatic Handgun. It will drop someone a half football field away in an instant, and I expect it will work 100 percent of the time. I am now a Fetal Sleeping bear, but I can be disturbed and poked with a sharp stick.
And FYI...100 Percent of Police officers carry these type of weapons...
8/26/2017 08:33:00 AM
The 45 Caliber Semi automatic is the best damn gun to drop a homicidal maniac with. I have rarely seen anyone who was shot with a 45 caliber round survive very long.
Myself and B.A Barucus (MR. T) both carry 45's.
Stay safe and stay FETAL!
Col Hannibal Smith
A-TEAM
PS, has anyone heard from Sgt (ret) Ramon lately?
Explanation ... act a fool get tazered. Who are the fools?
This is why I never read the trib or Sun-Times, or watch the local news. They have their liberal heads so far up the rectum of the affirmative action set that they can't begin to approach an objective news story. Liberal white guilt and being profit driven excludes the media from being able to truthfully report the news.
Did that goofy tact Sgt in mass trans take time for shooting up tact office , and cover it up with picture of Rahmn
Easy to get rid of shit us taxpayers pay for right?
So simple when you dont pay shit out of pocket.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT, but you guys should see this, especially in light of the fact that this scum is planning shit in Chicago for November 4th
Antifa hosts workshop on "Our Enemies in Blue":
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-25/armed-antifa-group-hosts-%E2%80%9Cour-enemies-blue%E2%80%9D-anti-police-workshop
8/26/2017 10:15:00 AM
And the cowardly elected will not stand up use the dishonest media and say don't come here you don't have permits and will be arrested! Bad enough tomorrow on 60 minutes they are profiling the idiot dart with his unconventional jail methods! The elected morons don't give a shit if this city is tore up fuck all of the cowards at city hall state house city hall the blood and carnage covers all of them!
Anonymous said...
"You can never win with this always a victim group..."
8/26/2017 04:47:00 PM
Yeah...
The tax-paying, law abiding Chicago Chump refuses to realize
that City Hall and the media have been using the victim groups
as a political bio-weapon to keep the tax-paying, law abiding
Chicago Chump away from ever being able to assert control of
this city via the ballot box.
It will take a lot of anger, fighting and killing by
rightfully enraged, law abiding tax-payers to make
things right in this town.
Imagine the $millions being spent on these Tasers. Raccoon Eyes is handing out huge contracts to selected vendors who donate a piece of those $dollars back to politicians.
When I was a 11 year old kid I deliverd newspapers for the Chicago Today Newspaper Branch 11 on Wilson and east of Clark street. That was a REAL NEWS PAPER. I was a proud little paperboy. 04:47:00 PM you are a victim of the laws of the left.
can the feds follow the money
You can only hope the feather duster you will soon be equipped with has a long handle. I do not care what you are paid it is not enough. In my life I have had to put up with those that as my father used to say "are showing there ass" but doing it daily no-way.
Maybe all the dummies wailing about unnecessary / excessive force could volunteer to experience the various methods of physical compliance in use. Sort of a fund raiser like the pies or the dunk tank . . . It could be called "Tased of Chicago."
In 2017, if any police officer or police family member spends just 1 penny on the Sun-Times or Tribune, print or online edition, you are a moron!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
When I went through the academy Marsh was a gym instructor. One day he was showing us a taser. He was sitting there and zap himself three times and nothing. Then he asked for a volunteer. Zapped him once and he went down. Of course Marsh was an exception to the rule.
8/26/2017 01:45:00 PM
Marsh was crazy! When we did the red man test, we had to take Marsh out of a bar. We had him in the escort holds etc... and were stunning him on the head with our free hands. My hand was black/blue for days but he said that we didn't hit him hard enough! That was crazy!!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
We would just open-hand slap the uncooperative/resisting
ass to the pavement, put the cuffs on and drag the unconscious ass to the wagon.
Hit him wrong, and you'll be taking him to the morgue.
8/26/2017 07:37:00 PM
Tell the uncooperative/resisting/ fighting
asshole to stop doing the fool with large
strong and angry Policemen to avoid being
open-hand slapped to the pavement or floor
in a state of unconsciousness by large, strong
and angry Policemen upholding the law and
performing their sworn duty which actually DOES
entail knocking the unruly the fuck down to control
a situation.
The LAW makes provision for Policemen
to slap the shit out of the unruly.
Department rules regulating slapping the
unruly and disorderly to the pavement or
floor has been pulled away from agreement
with the law only because the ACLU and the
perpetual grievance industry are the new
masters of CPD...
No "loading."
No full power strikes, kicks, holds,
throws or take-downs either.
Policemen USED to be considered more
dangerous than the shit-heads.
Now the shit-heads have the manly
swagger that was stripped away from
Policemen in the name of "reform."
"Hit him wrong and you'll be taking him to the morgue."
We operate in the guilt-free zone.
If an unruly law breaking shit-head dies
from being slapped for being an unruly
law breaking shit-head, his own action
facilitated his demise. The PEOPLE
demanded that The Policeman be empowered
and enabled to open-hand slap the unruly
to the pavement or floor as a reasonable
control tactic.
If the PEOPLE now suddenly deem it to be unreasonable,
the PEOPLE shall petition their elected officialdom
to change the law.
The PEOPLE shall also happily bear the consequences
In the aftermath of changes to the law and rightfully
hold The Policeman blameless.
"No need for you guys to resort to such
nasty sarcasm!"
Anonymous Anonymous said...
And for some reason, cops still buy/subscribe to the Tribune and sun times. I see it all the time in court and the districts. Why in the hell do cops still pay money to support these fake news tabloids who do non-stop smear campaigns against ud?
8/26/2017 09:16:00 AM
Two words, crosswords & jumble... got to have them in court;)
For me and mine, I say go back to using guns. But it is time to stop the experiment of allowing 5'2", women and otherwise compromised people from being the police in order to satisfy the eeoc... There is no equal in justice there is only justice. There are no constitutional rights when approached by law enforcement on a legitimate complaint, the officer(s) are there to uphold the law and "everyone's" constitutional rights, the same as the bullshit they give you when they search you at the airport!!!!!
Also Lequan McDonald was carrying a knife threateningly in public. Case closed for me and mine I want to know WTF people expected? I want all the critics to tell me their solution to the issue. Then I want to let them carry it out in a mock scenario and see what happens to them. I'm betting they are DED!!!!
Lastly it needs to go back to the old rule that if you touch a police officer, you deserve what you get!!!! Stop the BS and restore law and ORDER!!!!
8/26/2017 11:38:00 AM
You lost me at 5'2 and women.....
Anonymous Anonymous said...
If there's an incident were a Taser could be used, I'll wait and use my gun instead. My thoughts, if an incident has escalated to the Taser, then your life is in danger or going to be in short order. Suddenly, the department is telling us to rely on the Taser instead of using deadly force when your justified; they and we know this tool is not always reliable. Thus, we are putting ourselves in harms way in their social experiment. This is just me and I'm not telling anyone else what to do, but I'm not going to employ the Taser unless I'm ordered to do so. Stay Fetal and just drive by and wave......
8/26/2017 10:16:00 AM
Exactly, I'll take it to the next level if I'm questioned for not deploying my taser, "My taser malfunctioned", the electronics fuck up or whatever you can make up. Later I tapped on it and the thing went on. These tasers have a history of failures so take advantage of that information. I'll lay back and wait, until the incident deescalates or I have to use deadly force, that's what I'm going to do.
OT Retired cpd looking for retired police or fire to do some body work on a used chevy s10. I need rockers and cab corners replaced.
Mike
Anonymous said...
When I was a 11 year old kid I deliverd newspapers for the Chicago Today Newspaper Branch 11 on Wilson and east of Clark street. That was a REAL NEWS PAPER. I was a proud little paperboy. 04:47:00 PM you are a victim of the laws of the left.
8/27/2017 12:17:00 AM
Chicago Today?
That paper was for people who had to take
off their shoes to count higher than 10...
;^)
Our childhood joy was going to the Grand-Parents
for the traditional after-church supper and going
through the Chicago Daily News with the old man and
Grand-Dad.
(A close second was reading
The Chicago Police Star Magazine
when the old man was done with it)
If we remember correctly, the knock against the
Daily News was that the content was "high falutin'"
and written equivalent to college freshman lit
levels...
We REALLY relished taking a go at that
crossword puzzle and giving a very good
account of our little self.
The current print media hacks like Moperah,
Sneed, Zorn, Brown, Glanton, Steinberg and
the rest, would drown like rats because their
feet wouldn't be able to touch the bottom.
Also, if anything close to the Daily News
was still in existence, the SJWs and the
perpetually aggrieved demographics would
protest it because cerebral content is
"conservative" and "racist."
"That paper doesn't reflect the culture of the majority"
or some similar such silly shit.
Police Like You Have No Friends.
Taze Hillary.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
If there's an incident were a Taser could be used, I'll wait and use my gun instead. My thoughts, if an incident has escalated to the Taser, then your life is in danger or going to be in short order. Suddenly, the department is telling us to rely on the Taser instead of using deadly force when your justified; they and we know this tool is not always reliable. Thus, we are putting ourselves in harms way in their social experiment. This is just me and I'm not telling anyone else what to do, but I'm not going to employ the Taser unless I'm ordered to do so. Stay Fetal and just drive by and wave......
8/26/2017 10:16:00 AM
Exactly, I'll take it to the next level if I'm questioned for not deploying my taser, "My taser malfunctioned", the electronics fuck up or whatever you can make up. Later I tapped on it and the thing went on. These tasers have a history of failures so take advantage of that information. I'll lay back and wait, until the incident deescalates or I have to use deadly force, that's what I'm going to do.
8/27/2017 10:54:00 AM
Ummm ... I don't know if you guys are aware of this but...every time you deploy your taser it makes a permanent computerized event number. If you say youve used it ( but it didn't work) when you haven't and it has no indication that it even arched or anything. That will be a rule 14 on a use of force incident that will get your ass shitcanned quick. If you decide to use a gun where a taser may have been optional and successful and you're carrying one but decide to go with your primary weapon instead, you could land in some shit too. With the way things are these days I would, if circumstances permit, use the taser first when it malfunctions or is ineffective then go to your gun. That way the record shows you did everything to prioritize the sanctity of life.
Otherwise your other option is : don't step out of your vehicle. Fuck it. Be fetal and go to lunch.
And then there is this shit show on the Horizon
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/28/black-clad-antifa-attack-right-wing-demonstrators-in-berkeley/?utm_term=.0c8465d05a8d
"The 'reporters' also rely on the fully-debunked liberal trope that crime stats should mirror the population (i.e. since one third of the population is black, one third of the street stops should be black.)"
Were this true, there also wouldn't be different quantities of officers and calls for service in similarly-sized/populated parts of the city.
rb
. I don't know if you guys are aware of this but...every time you deploy your taser it makes a permanent computerized event number. If you say you've used it ( but it didn't work) when you haven't and it has no indication that it even arched or anything. That will be a rule 14 on a use of force incident that will get your ass shitcanned quick. If you decide to use a gun where a taser may have been optional and successful and you're carrying one but decide to go with your primary weapon instead, you could land in some shit too. With the way things are these days I would, if circumstances permit, use the taser first when it malfunctions or is ineffective then go to your gun. That way the record shows you did everything to prioritize the sanctity of life.
Otherwise your other option is : don't step out of your vehicle. Fuck it. Be fetal and go to lunch.
8/28/2017 12:17:00 AM
Correct and incorrect, I've pulled my taser, and pulled the trigger and nothing. It didn't even register an event which I learned later. One thing everyone is missing, you are the one making the decision, weather or not to use deadly force and self defense trumps some's else sanctity of life BS. If I'm in fear of my life or that great bodily harm issue you neglected to mention, it's 9mm time. Using the taser first is not in my vocabulary, saving my ass always comes first.
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