COPA Credibility Kaput
Two years later, an agency that didn't even exist, using "evidence" that none of its non-existent investigators ever saw, has completely dynamited any imaginary "credibility" they may have had, confirming every suspicion that they were put into place simply to railroad coppers:
- Chicago police disciplinary officials have ruled that an officer was unjustified in the fatal 2015 shooting of a baseball-bat clutching 19-year-old and an innocent bystander.
The Civilian Office of Police Accountability determined that Officer [...] unjustifiably shot Quintonio LeGrier and 55-year-old Bettie Jones while responding to a domestic disturbance on the West Side on the day after Christmas two years ago, according to documents obtained by the Tribune through an open records request.
Did the Department rule the shooting justified? Not that that means much in light of past rulings.
The States Attorney refused to press charges. That means a lot more.
Corp Counsel attempted to properly sue the estate of the deceased seeing as how it was his actions that led to the death of a bystander.
Hey Special Ed. You used to have a halfway decent reputation on this job. You gave it all up for a job you never applied for and sold your soul for a monetary pittance. How about pretending you're the cop you used to be and do the right thing. Disavow this entire charade and cut COPA off at the knees. There is nothing unjustified about this shooting - you know it, we know it, the Department knows it, even Kim Foxxx knows it. What happened to Bettie Jones was a horrible tragedy, but the blame lies entirely at the feet of LeGrier and his actions. Resign if you can't stick up for the troops.
To the FOP, this ought to be a rallying cry to a vote of "no confidence." Apply it to COPA and their non-existent "transparency." They are a political construct to bring about political outcomes to politically unpleasant shootings, even those complete justified under local, state and federal laws. Apply it to Special Ed if he doesn't do the right thing and continues to exhibit the spinelessness that has marked his entire tenure. And apply it to Rahm - attack his already weakened political standing in the forgotten communities, not the one he panders to incessantly. Fuck him.
And finally, to the police readers. Everyone out there thinking that if you just do everything "by the book," within the constraints of General Orders and follow the law as written, this isn't a game. This isn't 1970, it isn't 1980 and it ain't 1990 or 2000 either. COPA can make their pronouncements without having first hand knowledge of the scene, without applying even the basic nuts-and-bolts of the Use of Force model, completely disregarding State Law and United States Supreme Court rulings to come up with a political solution - an appeasement. We hope the message that Rahm is sending is getting through loud and clear.
The States Attorney refused to press charges. That means a lot more.
Corp Counsel attempted to properly sue the estate of the deceased seeing as how it was his actions that led to the death of a bystander.
Hey Special Ed. You used to have a halfway decent reputation on this job. You gave it all up for a job you never applied for and sold your soul for a monetary pittance. How about pretending you're the cop you used to be and do the right thing. Disavow this entire charade and cut COPA off at the knees. There is nothing unjustified about this shooting - you know it, we know it, the Department knows it, even Kim Foxxx knows it. What happened to Bettie Jones was a horrible tragedy, but the blame lies entirely at the feet of LeGrier and his actions. Resign if you can't stick up for the troops.
To the FOP, this ought to be a rallying cry to a vote of "no confidence." Apply it to COPA and their non-existent "transparency." They are a political construct to bring about political outcomes to politically unpleasant shootings, even those complete justified under local, state and federal laws. Apply it to Special Ed if he doesn't do the right thing and continues to exhibit the spinelessness that has marked his entire tenure. And apply it to Rahm - attack his already weakened political standing in the forgotten communities, not the one he panders to incessantly. Fuck him.
And finally, to the police readers. Everyone out there thinking that if you just do everything "by the book," within the constraints of General Orders and follow the law as written, this isn't a game. This isn't 1970, it isn't 1980 and it ain't 1990 or 2000 either. COPA can make their pronouncements without having first hand knowledge of the scene, without applying even the basic nuts-and-bolts of the Use of Force model, completely disregarding State Law and United States Supreme Court rulings to come up with a political solution - an appeasement. We hope the message that Rahm is sending is getting through loud and clear.
Labels: un-fucking-fucking-believable
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
294 Comments:
responding to a families call to get control of their mental children always has the potential of bad consequences. Take your time responding because if bad things happen the family that called you will not stand behind you and most likely lie against you as they see a payday in their future.
Eat shit, Rahm. Go get your nephew out of jail and get the fuck out of our city before you ruin it completely, you asshole!
Hopefully a citywide blue flu comes down. Especially if Johnson goes along with this bullshit.
Time for a march!
Yeah, my commander is still trying to figure out how to motivate the troops.
It helps if you were one first.
We, and this city, are lost.
I keep waiting for the Police union to do SOMETHING that resembles a push back.
Why are officers doing more than is required is mind boggling. Just answer your calls give report if needed and arrest on signed complaints if need be. They are asking for event numbers for positive community interactions, what has policing come to? It’s a shame. Tact in a majority of districts is almost reverse seniority average has to be 4yrs on. Let’s see those guys from the use of force training that are coming to the district roll calls explain this.
This dept has gone downhill ever since this mayor took office! Time to put him in his place or send him packing! Enough is enough of this liberal bullshit!
refuse to carry taser
What a bunch of BS! Copper did what he had to do
I saw on the news that their "investigation" determined he never swung the bat.
How do you do that without video?
It's not like they can look at the odometer.
Fetal is way too active.
Abort! Abort! Abort!
Only the Feds coming in can save this place. You will be sacrificed at the alter. Nailed to the cross. The war on the police continues... the Feds need to come in and sanitize this ass- backwards hell hole...it’s time to be vocal about it.
Well said. Now we wait for the response.
Turn in our gun, taser, club, oc, give a magic fn' wand.
If Kimmy already refused to press charges. What can COPA do? serious question...
So, the Officer had seconds to make his decision and copa had 2 years to come up with their b.s. decision. If any Officers continue to do any type of Police work, they are fools.
Welcome to the Baltimore Rail Road!
Remember the Freddie Gray case?
Six good police officers and supervisors did it all by the book.
Six police officers charged with Murder.
Two years of hell, and they were finally acquitted.
Here’s where the rubber meets the road. Will the superintendent bow down to his priority of “developing a relationship with the community” or will he stand by an officer who was legally justified in his actions?
I;ve been loading the tribune comment section with my disgust of this ruling. If you can, please also write comments on the story. The level of hate being directed at the police is beyond belief.
FETAL! BE and STAY FETAL within the guidelines so as not to be fired. Do nothing but answer your call, write paper and only arrest on signed complaints. Gotta write a ticket. Write the State Statute. Long form anything you can if circumstances require action and it can be employed. Hit the station bathroom 10 times a day. Make sure you take your half hour lunch. Watch a stop light in plain view for time between radio jobs. Police presence is police action even when positioned to watch cars go through an intersection. Obey every traffic law that exists when traveling slowly to your assignment.Wave at the teens on the corners and porches and just smile. Wave at people that run out waving at you and give them a big smile. Follow every fucking, stinking General Order that exists and kill the department with going by the book. Do not stop anyone for any reason. Lay the fuck down but still do what you absolutely MUST do so you are not part of a police action. FUCK THOSE SPOTS and be a man rather than one of Special ED's kids. Stay safe and go home to your families by being FETAL!!! Fuck special employment on all levels. If you need overtime, bring in a State Charge TVB at the end of each tour. FUCK THIS CITY, FUCK rahm, FUCK SPECIALED and FUCK COPA CABANA.
Despite all of the evidence, we still have idiot coppers chasing on foot, vehicle chases, being proactive, etc. In my district, a couple of coppers are in a competition to see who can get the most arrests.
Go after Rahm for gutting Police protection in the Taxpaying Citizens' Neighborhoods.
You know, the places where the police are respected and appreciated?
FOP: Organize a march on city hall and wherever COPA is housed and put on a parade that looks like the ST. Jude parades of old. I'm retired and I'll go. Every copper on the job should go march on city hall and a vote of NO confidence should be held for rahm, specialEd, and copa. Buses, banners, 5,000 cops. Put on a fucking show!
The use of Chicago Police as scapegoats and pawns in Rahm's Political Game is SHAMELESS! Van Dyke was left in Limbo, until Rahm was assured a second tern, and now Rialmo is being fed to the wolves so that Rahm can boost his image and Black vote. And what a coincidence, a week after Rahm apologized to the Black Community for the Corp Counsel's suit against the Le Grier estate, COPA announces its findings! Because the lawsuit that Rialmo filed against the estate of the bat swinging Le Grier, made Rahm's donors in the legal community realize that they may have to split those large City settlements, with the first Real Victims, in this case that would be Officer Rialmo. But let's take all this one step further; we have many Specialized Units in the Chicago Police Department, such as SWAT, which is highly trained and specialized. Perhaps Fathead Ed should consider reviewing how many of his officers have degrees and advanced degrees in psychology and experience in working with mental health patients. I think, that there are several if not many Officers who worked with the mentally ill, before becoming police officers. Instead of wasting these Officers on District Enforcement; wouldn't it be better for the City if these officers' talents were used in addressing specific mental health issues and patients? If we can have SWAT available 24/7; why can't we have Crisis Teams North, West and South to address the issue of handling Mental Health calls. A review of the number of Mental Health calls handled each year, in specific Areas should be undertaken and the feasibility of such Teams as a practical response to this issue should be considered. And somebody needs to show COPA some photos of what a bat can do to a head, or other parts of the human anatomy. In the Real World, a baseball bat wielding mentally ill person, who has just forced his father to hide in a locked room, is a Threat warranting Deadly Force if words cannot stop him. Be careful, don't be the next victim of Chicago's Political Corruption. Police have become the "Victims" in "Shitcaga". Baby "G"
Prayers for the officer and Mrs. Jones families.
COPA is revictimizing her family again.
I know this is silly but when I go for a COPA interview and
Walk in with a baseball bat is are they going to order me to
Give up the bat? Baseball bat is harmless.
Again, silly. I bring my CPD approved baton to the
Interview and handle and stroke the baton during the interview?
The baton is harmless, part my uniform.
Can they takeaway a part of my uniform.
OK, end of my silly, Never put your hands on anybody.
Respond to assignments in a reasonable time and
always be legal.
ALWAYS BE LEGAL!
And the stupid new police have conversations with these assholes, because there went threw a stop sign. That's right, fuck COPA and the rest of these fucks.
How many are saying as they read this story,
"There, but for the Grace of God, Go I"?
At least you have a fully funded pension plan after you retire!!!
The FOP should be planning a special assessment to pay for the lawyers to defend its members from COPA and the inevitable shit storm.
Rahm has Special Ed by the tiny hairs of his
quid pro quo. NO WAY could Spec. Ed get
his ass hired in another department. Ed must
do the bidding of Rahm or vanish from the
payroll. Ed has medical problems and may
even be in cognitive decline. His ears still
work fine. That's called self-preservation.
And in the process of saving his own ass
he has put the job security of an entire
department in jeopardy.
Ed can no longer work the streets or even
get a CDL. That's a pretty heavy anvil
Rahm has over his head.
Vote no confidence in the Chief and COPA.
There's one more acronym in play here: RICO.
This is one big attrition machine to early-terminate
police officers and save on pension costs. It's a
revolving door with surgical blades. But it's not
some entry level job corporation where the
business model is based on employees moving
out and up to better paying jobs. We're dealing
with mature, head-of-household, highly skilled
professionals with spouses, children, and
mortgages. You don't apply fast food kangaroo
court tactics to the bedrock and glue that holds
society together.
The sworn peace officer is denied even the smart citizens' option to fade discretely into the shadows.
The sworn peace officer is denied the option to mind his own business, since his business is to keep the peace, by enforcing laws designed to do just that.
The sworn peace officer is denied the option to help the innocent, by those who are the guilty, directly or indirectly.
Where there is little to no possibility of the peace being kept, there there will be no peace.
Prophylactic measures have proven to have been rendered impotent.
Full measures are next to be experienced.
The guilty shall bemoan the day when full measures kick in.
The guilty believe they are potent.
The guilty have yet to meet potency.
Let copa deal with domestics, robberies, shootings, drug dealers etc..etc...etc...unbeleivable wtf is wrong with everyone!!!
Not justified? The OFFENDER was ARMED with a baseball bat.
The Chicago Police Department has IAD and of course, COPA to handle complaints against officers. Who do we call to complain about COPA?
As far as Ed goes, why not obtain a CR number against him for embarrassing the department and failure to take action? Shit, the damn department has so many rules and regulations, somebody start posting Ed's violations of the Rules and Regulations so retired guys (such as myself) can march down to IAD and get a CR#. Many will poo-poo the idea of obtaining CR#s against the Number One guy on CPD, but Ed is the same boat as the rest of you active duty guys when it comes to PUNITIVE DAMAGES. One copper getting hurt because coppers are scared to react? Ed and his new kidney will be in Deposition Hell while in retirement.
COPA and ED's failure to take action is going to get a copper(s) killed. The punitive damages won't bring back an deceased officer, but "Failure to Take Action Ed" is going to get wind of this post and he's going to make a phone call. Not to COPA and tell them to cut the BULLSHIT. It'll be to the legal department asking if there's really a chance he can face punitive damages.
Signed,
The Retired Traffic Guy
Per the:
Police Psychological Services Section of the International Assn. of Chiefs of Police, which is comprised primarily of psychologists and other experts on human behavior who are intimately familiar with the law enforcement experience.
"Sleep cycles before statements: Whenever feasible, officers should have some
recovery time before providing a full formal statement. At least one night’s
sleep is beneficial prior to being interviewed.
Memory and perception: Memory and perceptual disturbances following a
shooting or other critical incident are common and normal. These may include
memory loss for part of the incident, sounds being quieter or louder, tunnel
vision, increased attention to detail, time slowed down and/or time sped up.
Emotional stress: The first few hours after a shooting or other critical incident
is a potentially emotional and confusing time. Depending on the nature of the
incident, stress may remain high for the involved officers in the aftermath of
the incident."
http://www.theiacp.org/Portals/0/documents/pdfs/OIS_IP_Trifold_Web.pdf
But COPA knows better?
20 - 30 feet from the porch?! Wouldn’t that put you in the middle of the street?! What a crock!
FETAL. Stay employed, take reports, do nothing. That's what they want you to do politically - give them what they want and let them stew in it.
When Johnson was Chief of Patrol he spoke to our roll call about this shooting and mentioned how the officer was being unfairly targeted due to lawful actions. He further added they were protecting him by allowing RR to work desk duty out of the location of his choice. The now Superintendant Johnson has 90 days to make a recommendation, and does anyone doubt it will be for anything but termination?
Special Ed do the right thing for the PO? Not in your wildest dreams.
Not with knowing he has to toe the Tiny Dancer Line, lest the LIEutenants Cheating Scandal be completely unearthed.
Eds integrity has been compromised past redemption. He is owned by The Machine and will do and say as he's told by his handlers on
the Fifth Floor - simple as that.
As for FOP leading the charge on anything anti-establishment? They don't have the balls to make waves. Being in the midst of contract negotiations will be all the excuse they need to further remain silent.
My gut tells me this latest overreach by the Wilmette Wuss to demonize CPD is a preemptive tactic; The Prancing Midget realizes that the impending JVD verdict won't sate the savages. In fact, the Usual Suspects will riot, loot, burn and destroy regardless of the verdict. Instructing COPA to render the findings they did is 9.5's way of buying insurance. Unfortunately, expect this to go to the next level with them trying to charge the officer criminally, regardless of what's already transpired.
Give "them" what they so badly want - nothing proactive. Let those self-cleaning ghetto ovens do what they do best. Respond. Drop paper. Call for the ambulance when necessary. Make the proper notifications. Arrest on signed complaints only. Lather, rinse, repeat. Don't jeopardize your livelihood, assets, sanity and possibly your freedom trying to save an ungrateful segment of society from itself.
In closing...
FUCK Rahm
FUCK COPA
FUCK Fathead Ed
FUCK FOP
FUCK the LeGrier "Family"
This will help morale. I'm motivated. Now let's go get some activity.
If I ever stop one of these COPA motherfuckers and they try to "badge" me(which they most certainly will), they're 100% getting a ticket, and i don't even write tickets. Fuck them, spineless bastards and fuck Rahm too and any boss that kisses his pandering ass
#StayFetal
No faith in the FOP or superintendent. We need a total overhaul of the department. End COPA now.
All you idiots who are still doing proactive police work you need to have your head examined!!! Stay fetal!!
Cop where are you you should be doing interviews 24/7. A no confidence vote for eddie.. get your asses out there!!
As if morale could not possibly sink any lower. So glad to be gone.
What a travesty.
COPA followed Rahm’s orders to a T.
SCC:
While I agree with you about FatHeadEd you know he won’t say a word.
He sold his soul to the Devil(Rahm) so Wheezie could remain a Lie-Tenant .
That leaves the ball in the FOP’s court.
Mr. Graham are you listening??
What comes next after being FETAL?!! I cant retire yet........anyone?
EJ how can you sleep at night? How can you live with yourself?
Man if this does not wake up coppers I don't know what will and you still got these clowns in 11 and 10 car chasing and searching for an arrest! Wake up brothers and sisters! Wake up white shirts! It's over...I know Rialmo personally I worked summer mobile with him. Prayers to you bro...we need to ban together now. No tickets, no revenue answer calls, write paper, don't engage offenders take your time getting to jobs. Oh yeah I might go to club 51 saturday I heard it's the hottest club in chicago...lmao
I just come here for insurance.
This same scenario could easily happen to anyone of us in patrol. This officer was dispatched to a domestic and quite possibly the worst scenario unfolded. Staying fetal is advisible in today's political climate, but how exactly do you avoid this? You can't. Everyday coming to work is hoping you're not involved in the next COPA sacrifice
Investigators also found that the evidence — including shell casings, witness statements and forensic analysis — also suggested Rialmo was farther away from LeGrier when he fired than the officer has said. LeGrier fell in the vestibule of an apartment building, and Rialmo said he opened fire from the building’s front porch, but investigators determined it was more likely the officer was between the bottom of the porch and the sidewalk out front.
Good luck Jason.
2 words. Distance & Concealment.
Slow the fuck down. Retire. Hope there is a pension.
Basically if you are looking to be a COPA drone, requirement are you must be able to dubunk everything a copper says, and come up with a bullshit story as to what happened
Good luck kid.
https://www.cityofchicago.org/city/en/depts/cpb/auto_generated/cpb_leadership.html
Here are these people who make decisions on your behavior with ZERO experience.
Its always been the Monday morning quarterbacking by critics, media and political panderers that frustrated me about this job. Someone from the sidelines who second guesses after the fact those few moments, seconds of panic and fear that a police officer has to respond to. They've watered down the defense of "fear for one's life" and in the process cheapened the value of a police officer, as if he were some replaceable commodity, not worthy of being alive, in spite of what he encounters every day. Especially those unknown assignments, when routine calls go off the rails, when those him or me circumstances of life and death are in front of him/her and a choice has to be made, instantly.
The fact of the matter is these critics aren't there. They don't feel what you feel, they have the luxury of disecting the decisions you have to make about whether or not you will be alive in a split second. These are people who read a report, who watch tv crime shows, who have never, and never will walk in your shoes to face what we face every day. These are people that make me want to puke.
I have been done doing any police work out here on the streets of Chicago!
I advise lawful citizens everyday to get your CCL and protect yourself because police cannot protect you!
I also tell lawful citizens to join the NRA for best advice against crooked cities like Chicago!
From the moment Rham apologetically ordered his Law Department to withdraw the lawsuit against Legrier's estate, it was never more clear this was all a foregone conclusion. He already knew far in advance COPA would find the shooting unjustified.
COPA basically wants us to be fired upon or injured first before we use force.
The officer, with financial help from FOP, should file a civil lawsuit against COPA for slander or defamation of character. Bring suit against each COPA investigator personally so they can be held liable, Maybe COPA should be looked into, to make sure they base their finding on scientific facts and evidence that is beyond any doubt, and not the eye witness account of police hatters.
We’ll still have idiots doing proactive police work. You can count on it. Unfortunately there’s too many unintelligent people on this job.
Supt Johnson dropped the ball when he said the copper was wrong when he kicked that shitbag once who was fighting with his partner.
DON'T DO IT AGAIN, SUPT!
YOU were the one wrong about that incident. Do the right thing here.
How about F O P organize a March on City Hall with coppers, wives, children and friends to protest this Horseshit ! Give enough NOTICE to everyone so their can be a GOOD response and have buses available for transport ,call all the radio and TV stations & the News papers also notify FOP MAIN FOP LODGE. GET ORGANIZED FOR GOSH SAKES F O P AND HELP THE TROOPS !!!!!
I am so sick of this shit.
SCC, Based on all that, it sounds like the copper has a good argument for a defamation lawsuit. I'm he can find some atty to take up that cause
Step up or step down Eddie.
I couldn't BELEIVE it when I saw it on the news last night. After getting mad as FUCK, I thought, Who are these people, identify them with back round info. THEN I thought, Lemme get a baseball bat and Charge at them WHILST screaming. You think they'd say , : Oh, it's not a DEADLY weapon"????...Yeah, me neither...My God...Just FUCK this city and CLOWNS who run/ruin it...
Why is CRAPA even ruling on a case that happened two years prior before they came to be? So how back are they going to go? Are they going to "rule" on other shootings that occurred before they came to be?
Tribune story has more details on COPAs findings. Copa states that the officer wasn't in danger of being struck and that he fired from as far away as either bottom of porch or edge of sidewalk. Using Google earth, even if officer is at the gate, that is only about 6 feet from a bat wielding assailant. Yet copa states a "reasonable officer" would realize he's not in danger from this distance. Message to copa: you were never a police officer so how do you know what's reasonable and secondly, 6 feet away with a bat isn't that far. One step forward and your skull is being used as batting practice. So they are lying about how far the officer was from the offender. Copa also mentions the tazer and that the officer let his qualification run out. I know personally that trying to qualify some years is impossible. Range out of ammo or shut down leads to qualifications going past due dates to re up in timely manners. Secondly, why does this matter? According to copa, and our orders, a tazer can not be used on a subject who is on an elevated surface. By COPAs own findings, offender was on the top of the porch. Now I'm not a genius like copa members, but if he's on top of the porch, and the officer is at bottom, then isn't offender elevated? Therefore, by order, the tazer is not a possible force option here. But copa is not interested in rules, just being a political machine to Rahms whims. And speaking of Rahm, the old code of silence comes up. Odd since the mayor used the police department to cover his son buying weed. Guess the code and copa only work when it's in Rahms best interest. Police, your lives,are expendable. Take a bat to the head. Your life doesn't matter. That is the message of this copa charade.
The interesting here is that COPA, in it's finding states: "We find a reasonable officer in Officer Rialmo’s position would not have believed he was in imminent harm of death or great bodily harm at the time Officer Rialmo began firing his weapon."
How can COPA, a non-police agency, staffed by civilians and without input from sworn officers, make a determination as to what a reasonable police officer would or would not do in a specific situation? This is the inherent problem with COPA. They are tasked with applying the standard of what a reasonable police officer would or would not do in a given situation, but it is absolutely impossible for the investigators to make this determination without police experience or outside testimony from sworn officers.
The closest comparison would be a medical malpractice civil case. The standard of care that a judge or jury must apply is "what would a reasonable surgeon do in a similar situation." Typically, in such a case, expert surgeons would be brought in as witnesses and testify under oath, and the finder of fact would base their determination on the evidence presented. Unfortunately, it appears the police are not to be afforded this basic legal necessity.
Persons with a knife-bat-dog, whatever, should not be dispatched. We blame the ACLU, BLM, and the reverend's. We shouldn't be there in the first place. Handle your own shit.
Eddie Johnson, how does it feel to be rahm’s bitch?!
CRAPA also criticized the officer for not using his tazer.
Is CRAPA aware that the teen may have been hurt if he was tazed being on the stairs like he was???
I'm beyond disgusted and outraged. I think law enforcement officers nationwide should just walk out for a week. NO ONE has our backs, NO ONE. No matter what decision we make, we are screwed. Fuck every white shirt at the top of this department and shove activity up your assholes. Fuck Rahm. Fuck everyone. And any officer who provides security for any leftist police hating politician, fuck you too.
Thanks Rahm!
There is no difference between COPA and BLM or any other of these groups that are destroying this city.
Guess you have to use a baton or asp when confronted by a bat. Sorta like a sword fight. Errol Flynn style.
COPA needs to be challenged and disbanded. Their very existence shows how far from reality/common sense/justice we have strayed.
Don't forget Rahm also closed down mental health clinics. One of these places could have cared for this young man.
The ruling shows the contempt Rahm has for Chicago police officers. The ruling class and the media have destroyed the police dept. exactly as planned by Saul Alinsky. ♠️
Unbelievable. This city is a joke. Get out when you can...
ANYBODY but EMMANUEL
This officer did everything by the book, followed all the rules, and his partner when home safe that is what you are supposed to do. This so-called investigative clown show needs to be disbanded and a multimillions being misappropriated I’ll text payers money needs to be returned to the citizens of the city. Any police officer that is going proactive police work and you read the story you are simply totally out of your mind please seek psychiatric help as soon as you can! This is another slap in the face to hard-working police officers a slap in the face to good honest law-abiding citizens it also will cause more chaos more anarchy to develop in the community is that most need the police. This is nothing more than a money grab perpetuated by the head of this so called investigative unit who is obvious Without a doubt anti-police, the backgrounds of everyone in this unit need to be thoroughly investigated and thoroughly expose to see the bias against the Chicago taxpayers and against the Chicago police officers and police officers we do the job everywhere in United States of America the city of Chicago state of Illinois the county of crap!
Without a doubt anti-police, the backgrounds of everyone in this unit need to be thoroughly investigated and thoroughly exposed to see the bias against the Chicago taxpayers and against the Chicago police officers and police officers we do the job everywhere in United States of America the city of Chicago state of Illinois the county of crook!
Emmanuel sacrificing cops so he can try and get the black vote. We are not stupid!
Emmanuel has turned black neighborhoods into war zones, and only knows us at election time.
Why do you feel the need to "wait for a response"? It will just be Rahm talking thru his hand puppet.
Anonymous said...
If Kimmy already refused to press charges. What can COPA do? serious question...
12/29/2017 12:52:00 AM
They could have the officer fired, and talk to some of the Democratic handler’s reopen the case and have Kimmy re-evaluate charging the officer for doing his job
Lets see it's about 6 degrees out ...........Hmmmm how many people statistically would have the flu ??????
Sure, that why corp counsel to wanted to sue the family. The officer is the victim here. Daddy was in his bedroom to scared of his own son.
TIME TO FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE .................
How about a march ???? How about some Blue Sinus Infection ???? How about something anything ???
This is the inherent flaw of staying fetal -- you can avoid traffic stops, street stops; but there's nothing you can do about the calls you're dispatched to. And this job grows more and more difficult, especially on patrol where seemingly everyone has a diagnosed or undiagnosed mental illness.
I don't know, is it better to avoid proactive police work but hope you're not the next person dispatched to a potentially deadly UOF incident? Especially with copa at the helm. Or proactively police, maybe earn yourself a spot as the TVB squad on tact, and avoid all these volitile situations on patrol?
Welcome to the Baltimore Rail Road!
Remember the Freddie Gray case?
Six good police officers and supervisors did it all by the book.
Six police officers charged with Murder.
Two years of hell, and they were finally acquitted.
I won't go as far as to say that, Francis.
Gray wouldn't have died if he were properly secured in the van, and he wasn't.
He wouldn't have sustained a broken neck if he had been properly secured, and he wasn't.
There wasn't enough evidence to put the blame on any one person, so all were acquitted without adequate proof of guilt.
I'm willing to bet every prisoner transported NOW is properly secured in all transport vehicles.
While I'm glad that none of the officers were convicted and sentenced, there were some issues concerning
Gray's transport that were/are troubling, and it doesn't take a genius to know that.
FUCK this job, FUCK this city, FUCK Rahm, FUCK THIS. Game over. I WILL NOT exit my car for shit. You got what you wanted liberals. Live in it. To any young copper still doing it or any dumbass veteran that still plays the "I will always do my job" bs I hope for you and your family that you never face criminal charges in this corrupt liberal cesspool of shit. God bless everyone out here but this game is over boys and girls.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
2 words. Distance & Concealment.
12/29/2017 04:54:00 AM
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then what operator?
It's time to pull the skeletons out of the closet. Maybe AG Sessions should revisit Rahm's nexus to the Blago case. Fitzgerald had a smoking gun (false statements) with Rahm. Did Fitzgerald cut a deal with Emmanuel to see who else was lying? Who let him off the hook?
Where is the FOP? They are very well paid yet they do absolutely NOTHING!
COPA's legal standard for determining their findings is a "preponderance of the evidence." Which is absolute nonsense when it involves the livelihood of an officer CLEARED from any legal wrongdoing. So apparently because they can't prove he swung the bat, it must mean he didnt.....lol.
But I can tell you where they screwed up. Applying the role of a reasonable police officer to substantiate their findings will require an explanation. How did they reach this conclusion? Were police officers interviewed?
Remember that poor young Irish girl beaten with a bat by a couple of Rahm's constituents. Tell that family about it.
I guess they think he could have shot the bat out of his hand, or just shot him in the leg. You know, like they do on tv.
All these Officers did was answer their call. Not only should the FOP do something but the Sgt, Lt, and Captain associations HAVE TO join in. March, Protest, file a lawsuit. Publicly invite Trump to this Trump free city. Fuck this city. Ed if you have any shred a decency either come out in support of your Officer or fucking quit.
Eddie Johnson must resign. We as officers can no longer continue to live like this. You can follow every law and every general order out there and STILL get fucked. This simply is not right. We as officers and a union have to DEMAND change. I never come on this blog and never post but this is tiring and exhausting mentally nowadays. Coppers are being railroaded, fired, and even more concerning, improperly charged with crimes. This could be any one of us on this job EVEN if we only handle our assigned jobs as people say to do. This kid responded to a CALL made by the mentals family because THEY couldn't control his violent actions. The officer followed procedure and law and did what he had to do in the situation and what he is sworn to do, and still gets fucked. It is NOT OK and we CANNOT accept this. I'm sorry for the innocent woman who was caught up in all of this, she unfortunately died because of the CRIMINALS actions. God bless her and her family and also the officer and his family.
“To the FOP, this ought to be a rallying cry to a vote of "no confidence." Apply it to COPA and their non-existent "transparency."
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No one votes for COPA. It isn’t an elected position. How are you going to vote “no confidence” on COPA? Just get a bunch of people to say “we don’t agree with COPA” ?
The FOP is laughing at CPD. They collect your dues and don’t do shit besides get take home cars, do zero work, and go on vacations (“conferences”) at your expense. You guys need a new union. Even Rahm wipes his ass with the CPD and FOP. It’s shameful and embarrassing.
You guys are damned if you do and damned if you don’t. Leave CPD and find an agency that lets you be the police and supports you.
Insurance and a pay check, nothing more.
Fuck Rahm and fuck this city.
I look up in my handy dandy bizzardo copa liberal world law book and they refer to imminent threat or danger means u can only act on it, if and only when u get killed. Oh that explains the stupidity all around thanks.
I couldn't take all the mush-head leftists posting their anti-police crap on the Trib's comment section so I posted this: ....
----> COPA needs to be disbanded asap. It's only purpose was to buy Rahm cover and keep the ghetto voting for him by having unqualified, police hating Activists going after Cops involved in Justified Shootings months later and to find them 'guilty'.
This officer was in compliance with every State Law, CPD Regulation, and SCOTUS Rulings when he fired at the Bat Wielding and mentally unstable Suspect. The fact IS that if the Officer had done one thing wrong, Kim Foxx would have PROSECUTED him, and pronto. She didn't! (and there's no law about firing Eight Rounds being 'too many'. Shows how dumb COPA is).
And if someone comes at me with a Baseball Bat, you can bet your rent, I'm firing my gun -- until it's empty! <---
Most of the time I just Up Vote or Down Vote what folks have posted. That wasn't enough for this story and the asshole leftists posting drivel as if COPA are all Police & Law Experts and the finding is 'gospel' .
Each COPA member should be required to ride with an 11th district TAC team on afternoon watch for a week. Let's see how they feel about bats and shootings after that.
Anyone still making arrest, especially those that keep claiming that they r in a unit and they dont deal with this, and this only happens in patrol please, please, please call fop crisis unit and get your head examine cause u will ne the next one railroaded!!!
OT. A little off topic, but related. Rahm is building his base and rising in the polls on the backs of the po’s on the CPD. Rhat and bum rapping Trump is advancing his political standing in Chicago
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/29/chicagos-emanuel-reaps-benefits-opposing-trump-as-city-problems-fester.html
Check out the COPA website- "Senior Investigator" Mark Clark's favorite quote is from Angela Davis, "Community Activist and Marxist Communist"
I listened to wagonman legends from the old school 020 dist, slow down kid, if we shoot wil be in the station doing yellow paper.W.W. 2 VETS, R.I.P. Thanks, they used verbal judo, and the school of hard knocks, on there subjects. SIGNED THAT KID
Blue flu???
New 2018 general order will state every cop will be issue a catchers baseball helmet and mask to prevent an incident like this when answering a call to a chaotic domestic scene!
Now that "COS RUSSELL" was "fired" Rham is the only one running the CPD,take that to the bank....
2009 - 2016 witch hunts , trumped up charges against police officers that used force to survive attacks by violent criminals . All cleared by federal investigations . Now some copa investigators over ride findings by states attorney office , ipra , cpd command staff , street supervisors and detectives with years of experience investigating violent criminals .
Sounds like some political hack hires , trying to RAILROAD A POLICE OFFICER DOING HIS JOB .
It sounds like an anti police racist agency .
FOP , PBPA should consider legal action against investigators , supervisors , look into their past associations with activist , anti police groups .
This is bullshit! EJ needs to borrow a set of balls and stand up for his employee.
This is a sad day.
When this officer sued the estate of the person he shot and his own department for poor training, I thought to myself: what the fuck is this officer thinking?
He caused a public relations nightmare for the city and mayor. Thus what do you think the city and mayor was going to do? Just let you embarrass them and cause political problems for the mayor? Of course not! The city would strike back. Now they did just that with this copa investigation.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
We’ll still have idiots doing proactive police work. You can count on it. Unfortunately there’s too many unintelligent people on this job.
This wasn’t proactive police work. They were answering a call. Anyone of us could be put in that position, even if we were being fetal
The ghetto consist of uncaged wild rabid animals that cannot control their urge to fuck up. Justice for them, LMAO.
Copa takes orders directly from Emmanuel
This was Emmanuel’s call all the way
how does it feel to be rahm’s bitch?!
12/29/2017 07:06:00 AM
ha Ha Ha! It feels like $260,000+. just had to bring vaseline.
SpEd
Don't do anything let them kill each other
SCC, excellent post. You addressed the mayor, sup, FOP and police in effective way. Sup. EJ was once very respected. I thought he only saw blue for a while, fraternity BS aside, but I liked and respected him. When I saw who he really was, it was a huge let down.
Sucks for officer B.R. Hope he gets through this and keeps fighting. COPA needs to be exposed for their bullshit. In the meantime, fetal as fuck, about two years and counting.
Is CRAPA aware that the teen may have been hurt if he was tazed being on the stairs like he was???
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“Elevated position” and all....
Whatta political easement of the savages. This city blows, should be interesting next year with numbers
This is really sad.
Why are people acting like this was a surprise?
Very well stated, SCC! All you young hard chargers out there better take note. When you are out there trying to get numbers for you D/C - W/C because you want to kiss their asses and the shit hits the fan this Department and city will throw you under the bus then back up and roll over you a few times. Those D/Cs who BS you and tell you they have your back are full of shit - you are nothing but political fodder. Now, it will be interesting to see how Special Ed handles this. From what I have seen, my guess is that he will take his orders from TD 9.5. Stay strong Office.
Random afterthoughts/musings...
- LeGrier was a tallish, lanky stud. Easily had a reach of 30", give or take an inch or two.
Regulation baseball bats can be up to 42". Doing the rough math shows a +/- SIX FOOT assailant advantage for death or GBH to be a reasonable fear for the officers. I'm not even factoring in LeGrier likely closing the distance via advancement at some point during the brief encounter. Whether weapon was discharged from the base of the porch, middle of sidewalk or even the parkway is irrelevant in the eyes of a REASONABLE PERSON. If any of the UNREASONABLE COPA morons claim otherwise, I'd be happy to debunk the scenario they've fabricated via recreating same.
- New Years Eve will be upon us in two days. How many tactical Hair Gels will be crouched in alleys and breezeways at the stroke of midnight waiting for those on-view shots fired? Do everyone - especially YOURSELVES - a solid and find a safe, comfy spot inside somewhere from 2330 to 0100-ish. Any stupidvisor that suggests anything remotely contrary can go pound sand.
Have a safe, happy and healthy new year. Self preservation via fetality is where it's at, people.
Does COPA's "report" mean anything besides a publicity stunt? If everyone else find it justified, what can COPA actually do to the officer?
I'm confused. COPA says he was not near offender at time of shooting based on where casings landed? I shoot a lot and if not for the booth walls deflecting casings back at you, casings could travel 5 feet easily. When I shoot outside they fly even farther if they bounce on rock or concrete. I smell something funny here and I don't think it's the po leez. Let's see the pics of the scene. I think a good forensic expert could get to the truth.
Read the entire COPA investigation last night, all I can say is wow. Be careful out there boys and girls, it doesn’t matter if you followed state law, inculpatory evidence and their perception of their investigation is all they are looking at to hang you. Know that they will dissect the decision you made in a tremendously stressful and chaotic millisecond with hundreds of pages of analysis down to inches or what step you took and when while being approached by a violent offender. Also note if you go to a scene and a subject approaches you with a long metal object that object is not a deadly or dangerous weapon “per se”. If your depiction of what happened changes in the slightest as you recover from the life changing and adrenaline filled event then you are lying and none of your account is credible. However a witness account from hundreds of feet away of an individual who was out partying all night and stated he was with a friend, who it was subsequently discovered had not been on this earth for several months, will conversely be taken into account to prove your unjust actions. Once your testimony is deemed not credible due to inconsistencies in your perception of the events, elements of your account will be labeled as not possibly occurring despite the fact there were no other witnesses to prove or disprove that fact. If no one saw it but you, it didn’t happen. If your partner saw or perceived something differently than you your accounts will be deemed not credible. If you have the same account as your witness every step will be taken to prove that you colluded and conspired to hide evidence or obstruct the investigation. If another witness did not see the events take place their account of what they “think” happened will be cited in the investigation to prove or disprove your actions. Lastly in this type of investigation your actions and guilt or innocence of the charges at hand are based on a simple “preponderance of the evidence” basis and not the “beyond a reasonable doubt” standard. Your career, assets, livelihood, financial well being, reputation, safety and possible freedom may come down to the standard of “more than likely”. In a court of law all of the alleged facts can be disputed by your counsel. Here the alleged evidence against you is made public and your side of the story will not be heard. If you think this is not railroading someone with less rights than the average citizen see if a defense lawyer is allowed to publish his defendants detailed account and their exculpatory evidence proving innocence for the court of public opinion to see. It won’t happen, but transparency is apparently one sided. This post is for information purposes only and does not claim guilt or innocence of involved parties as all of the facts are not fully evident. Watch where you step.
For safety, distance within 21 feet is dangerous for a 6 inch knife.
What is it for a 32-36 inch bat? One step can get you mighty close.
Old Retired White Shirt
If Kimmy already refused to press charges. What can COPA do? serious question...
12/29/2017 12:52:00 AM
Serious answer: whatever the fuck they want.
They've been given the power to ruin our lives for doing our jobs. They answer to no one. They're out for police blood.
Anonymous said...
What comes next after being FETAL?!! I cant retire yet........anyone?
12/29/2017 03:48:00 AM
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I retired, in a certain fashion, while still being on the job. I invented being Fetal on the job. Bow to me and call me the 'Great Master' of FETALITY.
Anonymous said...
Investigators also found that the evidence — including shell casings, witness statements and forensic analysis — also suggested Rialmo was farther away from LeGrier when he fired than the officer has said. LeGrier fell in the vestibule of an apartment building, and Rialmo said he opened fire from the building’s front porch, but investigators determined it was more likely the officer was between the bottom of the porch and the sidewalk out front.
12/29/2017 04:52:00 AM
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Semi automatic shell casings fly and bounce of objects. Idiot!
I keep waiting for the Police union to do SOMETHING that resembles a push back.
I hope you are young in age. It will never happen!
And yet. The boys n girls in Blue will still NOT stick together.
Kangaroo Court...Soviet Show Trial...
The officer, with financial help from FOP, should file a civil lawsuit against COPA for slander or defamation of character.
I wouldn't trust FOP with a damn thing
Sorry SCC, this is totally believable. If you're a cop, and you shoot a some asshole, (never mind the circumstances) you're guilty. No need for evidence or any of that shit. Never mind that anyone else in the world would have done the same thing, you're a cop, you're guilty.
I hate this communist society that has sprung up in America.
J.J.
Copa says unjustified ? Well see when the criminal charges are filed.
Folks, although this is very disturbing, far worse is yet to come for street cops that are put in harms way every day. COPA is a fire breathing dragon that will scortch the CPD. They have been unleashed and have only just begun. COPA will be nit picking everything. Cops really really really need to be careful. You will be guilty and have to really fight to prove your innocence.
I saw the news report the early morning of the shooting around five thirty AM I believe the two girls interviewed were the daughters of Mrs Jones and they told the reporter that Mr LeGrier came down the stairs swinging a bat. After that initial interview never saw it again on the news because it doesn’t fit the news biases against the police hope the officers attorney can get a copy help in his defense,some getto lottery lawyer probably told them to dummy up. this shameful
I heard on Channel 9 that criminal charges maybe reconsidered. To repeat the best quote so far. Slow the fuck down. Retire. Hope there is a pension.
Everything depends on which way the political landscape develops over the next few months.
What will Rahm do to placate the community?
What will KimmJong do to appease PruneWrinkle?
Every candidate for every office in 2018-2019 will be demanding Change.
Even defunct ILAG MouseMadigan is still stirring the pot.
As quick as a lawsuit was prosposed against the combatants responsibility, the community spoke and the talk of lawsuit was denounced.
Don’t be surprised when there’s another’another look.
KimmJongFxxup CAN change her scattered mind and her COPRA now can be called in as “expert testimony “, as will weak and ineffective Jugghead Special Ed, he has no shame, he’s tired and wants his pensions.
The problem now is how many more layers of “let’s find a way to prove our point that police always shoot black men” will this case see before Summer 2018?
Things were a lot better when there was just a double standard, but now triple and quadruple standards?
No more blue lghts and speeds higher than 30 mph.
Rahm and Ferguson and now COPA are running a criminal enterprise. Also part of this criminal enterprise is BLM, the phony reverends and the ACLU. Rahm is doing anything and everything to suck up to the predator ghetto rats in order to be re-elected. He has made it totally clear along with help from the incompetent minorities running the police department that taxpayers of all colors will be treated like garbage. Rahm is smart enough to know that the LGBTQ community, the hipsters, the lakeview liberals, the hype park and Rogers park losers as well as the Latinos will vote for him because it’s a vote against trump. All he needs are the ghetto rats. It’s easy, just let them do what they want and let them free. That’s the plan and anyone who votes for him is a pos.
Sgts. should have to go on all jobs with a bat or knife, don't enter without one, wait until its safe.
Our involvement should be from the safety of our car, do not approach, do not intervene, oh yeah, and send the Police should not be dispatched without a reason.
2 words. Distance & Concealment.
2 more words. Run and Hide
Not a LEO. Can you patrol officers possibly stage a sick in for one chosen day? Maybe organize it under the radar, if possible? Let the city see what it's like to have Dude inc. committing wanton mayhem and not have law enforcement patrolling the streets? Just a thought.
Sue for slander? ...It will never work.
Special Assessment in union dues? ...How about JVD?
Protest/march? Oh please....ten coppers will show up.
Can someone come up with an original idea for once?
I really hope the blue jean, backwards hat guys are reading this.... Eddie Johnson goes down as the worst of all time.
The mother always acts like she cares ,if so WHY was her son alone at the baby daddy house on Christmas didn't the daddy molest the boy at sometime.
Simon and Garfunkels song "the Sound of Silence" is playing in my head now. Its because I'm also thinking of our union and it's leadership, or lack thereof.
Because I'm contrasting our union against the NYPD union and the aggressive, "stick up for the troops" tactics their president employs. The socialist Mayor DeBlasio also employed an anti law enforcement agenda to endear him to the low info voters, and which ultimately led to the blood of slain officers on his hands but the NYPD boys, God Bless them all, didnt cower or back down or remain silent, the went on the offensive, and their courageous actions in the days following the murders of their brothers and sisters made me proud to have been the police for 31 years.
And they didnt stop there. Their union President has mobilized a squad of officers to follow DiBlasio around on his campaign trail across the country with billboards setting up protests to make sure that the people of these other states know just what kind of a despicable person he is. These officers are not masked or attempting to conceal their identity in any way. Do they fear reprisals? Perhaps. But they also know their union and its leadership will fight tooth and nail for them.
Something that our union has no stomach for.
The silence is deafening.
SO what can an officer do?
No CONFIDENCE VOTES ever get anyone their job back?
Officers need to actively fight the COPA clout machine. I don't mean sit at home and beg for FOP to get them a lawyer either.
As many Detectives know anyone can be sued. You sit in on interview or inventory a video from Burger King and you can be fired.
So who is to say you can't file a lawsuit against COPA investigators?
On another note a lawsuit is currently floating through which has a DISTRICT attorneys investigators being sued. THEY AINT LAWYERS it falls under FED law federal law 42 U.S.C. 1983, which states that "…[e]very person" who acts under color of state law to deprive another of a constitutional rights shall be answerable to that person in a suit for damages," and provides a means for those wronged by government officials to file suit in federal court.
Keep in mind that DAN Herbert lawyer for the FOP doesnt do FED lawsuit.
Rahm is desperate to give that family 5 million dollars. Wow
OT - An Open Letter to my Alderman.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-chicago-carjackings-2017-story.html
Michele,
Forgive my language, but this shit needs to be stopped - like now.
It is easy enough for the residents of Lincoln Park and the Gold Coast to ignore the wholesale massacres going on in Englewood and the Austin neighborhoods because it is relatively far away and only involves black people.
Carjackings, on the other hand, are occurring all over the city. Personally, I find this frightening. Left unchecked, your out-migration problem will skyrocket as well.
Tell Rahm to quit spending money on pork-barrel projects and hire some more police. Or at least legalize open-carry. It sure works in Texas.
Preponderance of evidence = more likely than not.
RR says he sees QL swing bat.
Nobody saw him NOT swing the bat.
TL sees bat raised but looks down and does not have him in sight at moment he is to have swung.
Reasonable person deduces he probably swung the bat, having NO evidence to refute the claim.
COPA determined RR lied and TL would have seen him swing if he did.
430am Christmas night violent subject advancing on PO from his house to a distance within 10ft holding (or swinging) a bat -
Normal person deduces bat may be used as weapon.
COPA determined bat is a sporting good and without any further indication of its intended use, is harmless within 10 feet. What's more disturbing is they take into account his path of retreat was unobstructed. WE HAVE NO DUTY TO RETREAT, in fact it's quite the opposite.
This shooting, with today's taser order and force mitigation order, would be MORE justifiable. Elevated position - no taser, advancing armed subject, no time to employ principles of force mitigation.
This totally sucks.
This is all from that sissy suburbanite Emmanuel
"A halfway decent reputation".????The 6th District Foot Patrol/Bag Man/Shake down artist ?That is some reputation there.
Not a cop but served in the military. When we stood watch deadly force was authorized. I never had to use it but I did see some shit go down with the Marines. The Marines guarded our submarines when they were being loaded with missiles. It did not matter if you were a member of the crew, if you cross the yellow line, that was your ass plain and simple. One asshole decided to test the Marines. Wrong choice. They beat his ass bloody. Now let's apply the same rules here. Some fucker comes at a cop with a bat, knife, dog, or in a rage. Deadly force is authorized period. You cannot talk a person down. Take their ass out. Period. End of fucking discussion. And this is coming from a black man who grew up in the projects, hard working, taking care of my family. I do not agree with all that is posted here but most of it scares the shit out of me. Fight the good fight.
Let's set it up No Confidence vote... The Mayor and Copa. Maybe even throw a little blue flu in....This City is done.
Hunker down boys this COPA monster was just hatched and nothing can stop it from attacking. It's a political creation that will destroy anything in its path. They have one goal. And don't think the Supt, a political appointee will intervene.
God bless you Officers Van Dyke and Rialmo. As a 25 yr retired Gary, Indiana PD Sgt i feel your pain. From the chief trying to secure battery charges on me from my last shoot to being written up for too many tattoos showing
"Prayers for the officer and Mrs. Jones families.
COPA is revictimizing her family again."
COPA just increased their getto lottery payout. The only ones to be victimized are the taxpayers
With this kind of decision, what do you think is gonna happen now with Tasers Theyre going to judge (misjudge) every incident as unreasonable.
Seriously, FOP better get something going right now. Me and a lot of other retirees care about our officers and our city. We'll be there to march. Even the local news haters are kind of in disbelief. I heard about this decision and watched the news last night and they didn't cover it for the first 12 minutes.
We need POCA to police COPA
Fuck these motherfucking pussies who've never busted a grape!
i am so glad i retired!
Cook County States Attorney now only approving felony upgrades on white shoplifters.
Come on fake news drones , FOIA that.
I wish the FOP would organize a protest around COPA headquarters. Why not? Everyone has their protest. Why not us? It may not accomplish shit but I'm sure we can get coppers to take part and it would be worth it just to piss off some people and bring some negative attention to COPA and Rahm.
12/29/2017 07:03:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Eddie Johnson, how does it feel to be rahm’s bitch?!
I dont mind thw routine spanking at all! What matters is I am paid and living the dream!!
Now dont forget to swipe in and keep them ISRs coming!!! - EJ
12/29/2017 07:06:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This should be the final wake up call for every copper. Police like your life, job and freedom depend on it, because they do.
Bare minimmum and nothing else
Take your time on any domestic maybe if your lucky the pos will have killed each other. Then all you have to do is paperwork. Obey all traffic regs as they may be watching. Ask nicely for them to stop dispute if they don't call a supervisor let him or her handle it. Do not get in harms way where you might have to defend your self. Observe and report what you see. You can't taze, shoot, kick or apply any force or you will be brought up on charges. Let supervisor handle it. Oh they won't, then walk away.
In celebration of Kwanza, the most holy of made up holidays, do not detain, arrest, or jail anyone until January 3rd.
As a former Homicide Detective I believe that this shooting proves on glaring fault with the FOP and how they handle Police Shootings. the fop should send out EXPERIENCE LAWYERS TO ADVISE THE SHOOTING OFFICER and what I mean by experience lawyers I do not mean the jackoff attorney that is representing Janson VanDyke. After reading the tribune article if the article is true(????) then I think that before the Officer gives his statement he should have been made aware of the conflicting statements. I am not suggesting that an attorney can 'MAMAGE" all the statements but he/she can get all the facts and circumstances correct so the shooting officer's memory reflects the incident. This shooting is another example of having a cooling off period just like the FBI has(24 hrs. cooling off period). The FOP should immediately request a meeting with the head of COPA and he Superintendent and clarify when a Officer can and can not use deadly force.
Has anyone on COPA ever even fired a handgun before? Do they not realize that where the shell casings land does not necessarily mean the shooter was standing at that exact spot?? http://www.forcescience.org/articles/ShellCasingStudy.pdf
Why isn't every police union outraged and speaking out. Tell the members to lay low, do your job but no more. Fuck the mayor and COPA. They are abunchh of people with no police experience only acting onthjer liberal instincts. They have zero police knowledge.
Just went to force mitigation very recently. Basically if you’re trapped and a vehicle is speeding towards you, you can open fire. But the instructor’s theory is: “is a bullet really gonna stop a speeding car anyway?” My theory: if you hit your target it would.
Does COPA findings mean anything?
God has this job changed for the bad in the 27 years I have been on. It's a good shoot all the way around. Tragic that the woman died but that is not the officers fault. 50th Birthday can't come soon enough!
Thankfully and gratefully retired after 30 years. This is so sad and sickening.
While CPD may not have been perfect, it was a decent and honored department. A few bad apples to be sure. What department doesn't have those? (Other than the FYI which covers them up)
People with no knowledge, experience or interest in police operations are sitting in judgement of split second life/death decisions. And flushing careers.
Chicago is doomed.
If the officer is fired, the move to defend the police might not be a bad idea. If no one is doing any police work, why spend the money?
This assignment should have been handled by City Mental Health Department.
if anybody has any doubts about what a baseball bat can you i strongly suggest thast you watch the ending of the movie "casinO" when joe pesci aka nicky santoro gets wacked
COPA, the alinskyite social fascist nazicratisimo version of the Star Chamber, Inquisition & Salem Witch Hunt all rolled into one
Welcome to the new Show Trials which the Rahmista's & other variations of the Nazicrats hope will continue for decades
Pray that the feral petting zoo of savage beasts that the Nazicrat's have raised up to rule your streets, turns on them....so please don't respond "quickly" to any call to rescue/serve an aldercritter or other social fascist monster...now is the time for lots of radio trouble & car trouble
I agree and believe every word you say with the exception of one small point.
You state that Special Ed has sold his soul for a “monetary pittance.”
I disagree. It’s NO pittance. He has sold his soul for a sweet ass chunk of change.
He receives one hell of a PENSIONABLE salary.
That’s right, he takes his thirty pieces of silver year after year after year in retirement.
Additionally, what financial doors will open for him on the private side after CPD retirement?
Public service has been, and continues to be, berry berry good to Ed.
CHA-CHING
Thought crazy Sharon quit the job what the fuck she still doing there? Then over here we have more bullshit going on something called swatting:
http://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article192147194.html
So punks go out and make a false report about a hostage situation with weapons the police show up I man gets killed and they blame the police. The blame should be on whoever made this fast report they should be arrested and put away in prison and also held culpable for the actions of the police officer everything is out of control God bless the police!
All we can hope for in the new year is that president Donald Trump finally sends in that apartment of justice people in the FBI to make a thorough cleansing at the swamp the headquarters of everything wrong with this country especially this city the Democratic stronghold where allies federal laws are disobeyed our mayor goes on a pathetic anti-police anti-American anti-United States program and loudly proclaimed had a city Chicago violates federal laws we need people here from the federal authorities to start at City Hall the County building and of course the Statehouse to make a thorough cleansing. Maybe the Springfield legislators that are rapidly resigning know something is on the horizon where rest will be made God bless the police!
They could have the officer fired, and talk to some of the Democratic handler’s reopen the case and have Kimmy re-evaluate charging the officer for doing his job
12/29/2017 07:49:00 AM
Also there's always a lesser charge possible for Rialmo shooting the woman, like involuntary manslaughter. Less bourden of proof and it would satisfy the Democratic bloodlust
Well I'm glad I just purchased an AR15 and 1000 rounds of ammo. Things are gonna get interesting with COPA running the city now. Have fun cleaning up the dead bodies.
When this officer sued the estate of the person he shot and his own department for poor training, I thought to myself: what the fuck is this officer thinking?
He caused a public relations nightmare for the city and mayor. Thus what do you think the city and mayor was going to do? Just let you embarrass them and cause political problems for the mayor? Of course not! The city would strike back. Now they did just that with this copa investigation.
12/29/2017 10:02:00 AM
The end result would have been exactly the same. If he knows that what he did was justified, why should he quietly wait for the hammer to drop?
Let's test your theory. The officers from 004 who killed the MVT offender were led to believe they were shot at, and their squad was crashed into beffore giving chase and shooting the offender. They've all been awfully quiet, so let's see if it benefits them in anyway. I'm guessing it won't
And to think, all he wanted to do was work for CFD like his father. He was probably just biding time until he was delivered this nonsense. Now, that'll probably never happen
RE: Taser Target in Elevated Position (Porch)
The following NYPD case emphatically rules out the use of a taser when target is elevated above ground level. Goggle Lt. Michael PIGOTT, Emergency Service Unit, who committed suicide a week after he ordered an officer to tase a naked man on an ELEVATED ledge in the Bedford-Stuyvesant section of Brooklyn. The tasered mental case fell to the sidewalk and died from head injuries sustained from the fall.
If Emanuel, Johnson and the media refuses to support Officer Rialmo's actions as justifiable, FOP must take a drastic response. If FOP fails to do so, consider it useless. Condolences to the family of the innocent woman who became tragic collateral damage.
Not a LEO. Can you patrol officers possibly stage a sick in for one chosen day? Maybe organize it under the radar, if possible? Let the city see what it's like to have Dude inc. committing wanton mayhem and not have law enforcement patrolling the streets? Just a thought.
Will never happen. Too may tact strokes, guys who have cushy spots or are on management. There is no unity at CPD. It's every man/woman for his or her self.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Eddie Johnson, how does it feel to be rahm’s bitch?!
If I'm the Mayor's bitch, then you're my bitch.. Hahaha...
If you can't take it anymore, quit bitch.... If not, bend over!! Hahaha... - EJ
The FOP should immediately request a meeting with the head of COPA and the Superintendent and clarify when a Officer can and can not use deadly force.
12/29/2017 03:03:00 PM
There is no head of COPA. The Chief Administrator, the First Deputy and the First Deputy's replacement all quit between May and October. It is a rudderless, out of control agency. Also, someone asked if the COPA investigators ever fired a gun. Have you seen their photos? There's a couple who might have military service in their background, but the rest look to be deserving of an I.R. number or will be needing a diaper if they ever hear a loud report. Fuck COPA, 9.5 and SpecialEd.
Does the department still do the"round table" after a police officer fires their weapon? Retired 11+ years now but had to sit through one back in the early 90's.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sue for slander? ...It will never work.
Special Assessment in union dues? ...How about JVD?
Protest/march? Oh please....ten coppers will show up.
Can someone come up with an original idea for once?
12/29/2017 12:35:00 PM
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Since you are asking...............????
Anonymous said...
Hunker down boys this COPA monster was just hatched and nothing can stop it from attacking. It's a political creation that will destroy anything in its path. They have one goal. And don't think the Supt, a political appointee will intervene.
12/29/2017 01:50:00 PM
I think that you might be right on this. It seems that COPA is becoming bigger then its britches and might just run away with the train. Any attempts to curb them will result in the organization going to the media. Stopping on duty officers and chastising them on their driving is a telling sign. I think everyone knows what their recommendation will be in this double homicide and what the superintendent will do and what the police board will do. It is appeasement to the hoards crying for police flesh
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