Indiana CCL
- A man has died after he was shot by a concealed carry holder he tried to rob on Christmas Eve in the South Loop, according to Chicago police.
Corey Haggard, 37, was shot around 6:15 p.m. Sunday at a strip mall in the 1200 block of South Jefferson Street, police said. He died at 11:37 p.m. on Monday at Stroger Hospital, according to the medical examiner.
Police said Haggard went up to a 31-year-old man who was leaving a store, announced a robbery and pulled out a gun. The other man also pulled out a gun and fired, hitting Haggard in the chest.
Police said the 31-year-old man had a valid license from Indiana to carry a concealed weapon.
While we don't envy the position that the victim is currently in (with Illinois not recognizing CCL's from other states), this may ultimately may be a good thing.
Every state in the union recognizes an inherent Right to self defense when confronted by deadly force. The Offender/Assailant (Haggard) was armed and threatened to use a gun to commit a forcible felony. That would logically eliminate any high-level charges for the victim....logically in a state other than lib-tarded Illinois. We can see Foxxx and her handlers attempting to push something worse (which will cost Illinois/County taxpayers dearly should it go forward), but we can't see it sticking. We can also see the Department brass attempting to keep the gun for whatever reason their masters come up with.
Hopefully, the NRA gets involved - Rahm is used to writing the NRA big checks after all.
Every state in the union recognizes an inherent Right to self defense when confronted by deadly force. The Offender/Assailant (Haggard) was armed and threatened to use a gun to commit a forcible felony. That would logically eliminate any high-level charges for the victim....logically in a state other than lib-tarded Illinois. We can see Foxxx and her handlers attempting to push something worse (which will cost Illinois/County taxpayers dearly should it go forward), but we can't see it sticking. We can also see the Department brass attempting to keep the gun for whatever reason their masters come up with.
Hopefully, the NRA gets involved - Rahm is used to writing the NRA big checks after all.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
71 Comments:
The least bad thing I can see happening would be he never gets his gun back. But they could charge him up the wazoo and even if almost everything fails it'll cost him an arm and a leg to defend himself and he'll still probably have to eat the illegal carry charge unless he gets a jury made up of clear-headed people.
He was charged by dicks but immediately RWOC’d
Rid the world of trash. I would like to hear more stories like this. End his robbery career before 2018. Keywords #FinishHim
In my opinion, all CCL people need insurance designed just for that purpose. I’m going to buy CCW Safe. Does anyone have anything good or bad to say about their insurance? I would like to know.
Any confirmation that CPD actually cuffed
and restrained this U.S. citizen who LAWFULLY
protected himself from death/great bodily harm
at the hands of the now deceased criminal shithead?
If it were so, the involved Officers should
be ashamed of themselves.
Oh fuck yeah the NRA needs to get in behind this
and push for nation-wide CCW reciprocity.
Let this be the test case.
And upon ratification of nation-wide reciprocity,
may Well-Fed Ed and Rahm be made to forfeit every
fucking penny of their personal net worth while
the taxpayers point and laugh derisively at them.
For you upright and law abiding people trying
to mind your business as you move about this city
while CCW?
Shoot.
Scoot.
Lawyer up.
Don't stick around.
Chicago and Cook County WILL
make you an example for maiming
or killing a loyal democratic voter
who excelled only in turning food into shit
and being an unlawfully armed menace to the
rest of everybody else.
I feel terrible for the victim if the investigation leads to a good clean shooting. He’s probably going to be charged and then have the book thrown at him for carrying in Illinois.
The NRA should get involved immediately and provide legal services if he is formally charged. Then use this as case law for recognition of all 50 states (or those that allow ccl). I would also hope that if such recognition be given after litigation that the NRA construct a mandatory class for carrying out of state before traveling while armed.
As we all know you can not shoot the pillars of society without getting your testicles broken. I have come to realize it that in Chicago, the Democrats here live in a caste society like the one in India. Politician and lawyers are on the top, they are also criminals too. So if you are a criminal, then you are on top also. Law biding citizens and police are the sewage of society in this caste society
I know this won't be covered by the Liberal TV media - except to put it in some negative light, but the reality is that it should be spotlighted as a potential threat to people's 2nd Amendment Right.
You cannot defend yourself?? What the Hell is that?
This state needs an overhaul.
If they charge him, he needs to have his lawyer look up all the times when two shitheads have shot at each other, and the state declines to prosecute because they were mutual combatants. Democratic enforcement of the law. Truly the dumbest people on the planet.
The right to defend yourself does not stop at the state line, that means any state Illinois included. The victim deserves to be thanked not persecuted by a state any state. The right to defend yourself is God given not limited to the chosen friends of the politicians.
Thanks Indiana concealed carrier. No telling how many Illinois residents you saved from the POS you shot..
Wonder of wonders: The Sun Times actually referred to the CCL carrier from Indiana as "the victim", rather than the a-hole who tried to rob him.
Pray for the CCL.
Let us know if he has a Go Fund Me?
This is why the new federal law must pass..
Sanctuary for Illegal Aliens,and a Fuck you to concealed carry CITIZENS...
If the shop owner does business here in Illinois, why didn't he simply apply for a CCW so that he could carry legally in our state?
I know cops who reside in Indiana but work for Illinois police agencies; they all have FOIDs, although they don't reside here, because you have to have an Illinois FOID to work as a police officer.
Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. Can't wait for national carry to pass. Coming soon to Chicago locked and loaded tourists. If police can't stop runaway crime maybe armed tourists can make a difference. Fuck you Rahm. Me and my trusty sidearm will soon be walking your streets.
No sanctuary from this CCL.
Where is NRA on this one. A go fund me would raise enough to defend and set a precedent case in Illinois. May not be necessary if Senate passes the CCL national carry law. Press your Senators to support this important law.
Yes, I'd contribute to a Go Fund Me page for him.
If he is charged, it won't hold up to a Constitutional challenge, but who wants to be the test case?
Well, we’ve had the useless felony review office deny charges for that fact before. So if they charge him I will have no problem passing on that info to his defense team
I wonder if the Shitheads family gonna sue the Victim...I can hear them now on the news....Ya Kilted my babies. Ya'll aints in Indiana, Youzz in Shcago... fool....Or something like that...
Say "Howdy" to Merle
Better than NRA involvement would be the Second Amendment Foundation, one of the prime drivers of the Heller and MacDonald decisions. Their judicial process savvy is still the top level.
The NRA has more money, and could assist, but sometimes is the brontosaurus of gun rights organizations- recall that they declined to help with Heller saying it was a bad move.
In any event, the Hoosier victim is in a bad place in many ways, including a potential wrongful-death suit, and supporting him will be needed.
If its a good shooting you're OK. Bad shooting you're not OK. CCL or no CCL
We need to have somebody from these CCL insurance companies come out or pu list what they are and their costs.
Well it appears that the Fibune wants to omit all words in their story. No one mentioned as offender, no one mentioned as victim. Looks like the Fibune is trying to be crime gender neutral.
I love a feel good story with a happy ending right after Christmas!!
Maybe more people from Indiana will choose to stay out of Chicago as result.
We know more more people from IL are going to move to IN.
Just saw this- no surprise-
http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/26/nearly-450000-people-fled-these-three-deep-blue-states-in-2017/
Can't wait til I can leave!
I hope the CCL victim from Indiana is home free with no legal complications. Please do not visit Illinois, there should be a huge Skull and Bones posted on the Indiana, Wisconsin, Missouri, Iowa and Kentucky side of their borders warning people not to enter Illinois. ♠️
Wonder of wonders: The Sun Times actually referred to the CCL carrier from Indiana as "the victim", rather than the a-hole who tried to rob him.
12/27/2017 04:08:00 AM
If that was an off duty CPD, that would not have happened.
The concealed carry victim was not handcuffed or restrained. He was treated like he should of been treated - like a victim. End of story.
Do you really want the feds to have a database and to be in charge of concealed carry nationally? Really give that a second thought!!! State by state laws allowing recognition of other states CCW rights is a far better way to go.
Just perusing Chicago's very own "dishonest media" and "fake news" this story is telling:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-rifles-gangs-conflict-20171221-story.html
The story tells about the violent hispanic gangs and all the shootings using high powered rifles, not delving into the root and investigating, because we have absolutely no fair media with investigative skills, unless it is used to bastardize and criminalize police officers and the concept of how communities that embrace "law and order" notice drastic reductions in violent crime and crime overall! But this is done with cooperation from the top like the mayor who instead of violating federal immigration laws,and the rest of the democratic criminal supporting cabal, support police and hold accountable the corrupt judicial system,and the states attorney and the "pizza king" tommy!
there you go media, ask the hard questions how many are illegals? how many are illegal so called "dreamers?" Why is the mayor and the rest not arrested and cxharged with aiding and abetting criminals who violate federal laws? Why did the mayor viciuosly and quickly hurt the police officers that gave so much for the people of this once great city? Why did he remove the police retirees health care and no other elected goof stand up for the police?
More questions here is your news show prep:
*Ed Burke who controls the finances and knows where all the skeletons are buried, why did he not stand up for police when health care was taken being a so called former CPD copper?
*Why is the police pension not fully funded?
Getting it now media from a couple of ideas? This is ridiculous all these things going on, the allowed criminality, could you imagine if ICE came in strong and started removing and charging the illegals, bet the parents would make sure their "children" stayed out of trouble knowing this causes a spotlight on them and subjects them to quick removal!
Look for at example the area that "skycap" ray is in charge of: the formerly great Brighton park, now the illegals are everywhere,shootings are daily (People tell the police they are sequester in their bathrooms in the bathtub praying that bullets don't hit them or their families yes media that is the reality of rahms values!)
Lastly hoping for a safe secure healthy new year,and that the DOJ finally gets here and starts at city hall,county building and state house for a thorough cleaning, May the thin Blue line hold together prayers for all the Brothers and Sisters in blue who do their very best in this pandering blood filled city!
Dumb ass tried to rob a CCL with a replica/pellet gun.
Don't bring a toy to a gun fight.
National Reciprocity, please. Stupid Illinois. Someone may have to write the Indiana CCL holder a big check. If the State and City were wise, all charges, if any, ought to be dismissed, his gun and ammunition returned; and he should be congratulated for a good shoot.
This will be more and more frequent in Chicago. The police have been handcuffed. The criminals are running wild. The pols accept you being robbed. Self defense will be the norm. Save 💰💰💰 for that expensive lawyer/lawsuit.
"died on Christmas day"
That news made my holiday a little cheerier.
The Victim has done more proactive police work in one 30 seconds than some of us in 29+day... Thank you for your service.
Just some Indiana-specific background: In Indiana the license is a "License to Carry Handgun" (LTCH). No concealment requirement. It is a Pepto-Bismol colored hard plastic, it is also known as "the pink card".
If as reported, this is a textbook self-defense case in both Indiana and Illinois. I do hope this individual is in a position to obtain counsel and is in a good position to avoid prosecution for illegally carrying. We shall be standing by.
Be advised, for your Illinois readers, when visiting your eastern neighbors, Indiana recognizes your Illinois license (and licenses to carry of all other states and all foreign countries) by the terms of the license. Indiana Code 35-47-2-21(b).
Kirk
Lafayette, Ind.
Director, Northwest
INDIANA STATE RIFLE & PISTOL ASSOCIATION
This is a no brainer, If Kimmy makes a decision to prosecute it's going to help us all. First off, self defense trumps everything the Democrat's are trying to push on us. Go to trial, request a jury, and get the NRA involved. What's going to happen, Universal Carry being legislated and this case will be the poster child. Nowing how things work in this fucked up City, the guy's gun is gone. That's why you have to seriously consider leaving the scene if you are a civilian.
If the Indiana CCL holder is charged, it would most likely by a weapons charge. Illinois, even with its stupid gun laws, is quite liberal on self defense.
But if the State gets a judgement against him for the UUW, he may very well lose his Indiana CCW..
IF he has CCL insurance they may not pay. He wasn't "legal". And the insurance company always looks for reasons to deny.
From what little I've read on CCL insurance, they really don't pay your legal bills. They reimburse you on acquittal.
The gun is gone.
Looked up what CCL Illinois accept, none. That's crazy with all of the other states accepting some or most of the states CCL. A National law on CCL is needed. Back to this guy capping the 37yr old mutt, Self Defense over rules all the Democrat gun laws, but his gun is more then likely gone.
To pass along to any concealed carriers you might know.
https://armedcitizensnetwork.org/buyersguide
This is a pretty good and current review of the major insurance programs available. The big difference is if they pay up front for the lawyers, etc. or reimburse. Also how fast can they come up with bail money.
The NRA just came out with theirs earlier this year; "Carry Guard".
In our CC classes we pass out a list of Illinois attorneys with 2nd amendment case experience and suggest having at least 2 of them saved on your cell phone, just in case it's 3AM and one doesn't answer the phone.
The dicks were charging hard to get the guy locked up cause no one is allowed to shoot anybody in Chicago and get a pat on the back. Too bad bad dicks-- better luck next time
So what happens to IROCC (what retirees have to get if they want to carry a firearm)? To me, they have a good racket going.
Anonymous said...
If they charge him, he needs to have his lawyer look up all the times when two shitheads have shot at each other, and the state declines to prosecute because they were mutual combatants. Democratic enforcement of the law. Truly the dumbest people on the planet.
12/27/2017 03:22:00 AM
Agreed.
.
Any confirmation that CPD actually cuffed
and restrained this U.S. citizen who LAWFULLY
protected himself from death/great bodily harm
at the hands of the now deceased criminal shithead?
———
Well if I showed up on scene and found out there was a shooting and someone was dying, yes I’d handcuff people until I found out what really happened. The victim here has a history and is no alterboy, but acted lawfully and in self defense in this situation. Had he just left the scene as this one suggested, things may have been more difficult for him.
And to the other commentor, no, he was not charged with anything by the dicks. They obtain and present the facts. ASAs decide on charging.
You two are either not the police or not very good at your job.
Rahm! Here is a way for you to the White House by cleaning up the City of Chicago. Not only do you honor licenses from every state but you offer $10,000 reward for every armed robber killed by a CCW and a special bonus for those "Aces" who knock down five. You could put out Community Alerts describing locations and descriptions then watch the CCW's walking down 47th street made up al old ladies wearing fur coats and carrying Neiman Marcus bags, or sitting in a 2018 Mercedes with the doors open at 59th and Throop on a Saturday night. You would be a household name "Rahm, the law and order candidate who cleaned up Chicago"
Great job citizen!
Screw the NRA. Write a check to the GOA (Gun Owners of America)
Bang bang
this is a GREAT example of
"Better to be tried by 12 then carried by 6"....
Anonymous said...
Any confirmation that CPD actually cuffed
and restrained this U.S. citizen who LAWFULLY
protected himself from death/great bodily harm
at the hands of the now deceased criminal shithead?
———
Well if I showed up on scene and found out there was a shooting and someone was dying, yes I’d handcuff people until I found out what really happened. The victim here has a history and is no alterboy, but acted lawfully and in self defense in this situation. Had he just left the scene as this one suggested, things may have been more difficult for him.
And to the other commentor, no, he was not charged with anything by the dicks. They obtain and present the facts. ASAs decide on charging.
You two are either not the police or not very good at your job.
12/27/2017 03:27:00 PM
Context is lost on you...
Too damn many egotistical meatheads on this job.
This alleged ccl carrier has quite a rap sheet.
Citizens wait two hours for reports in the 001st District and the supervisors don’t say sh-t. Thry’re afrais to write up the bid desk officers.
I have heard good things about the coverage offered by https://armedcitizensnetwork.org/
I am not a member yet.
The marketing for the USCCA is so scammy it scares me away from the organization.
Anonymous said...
If the shop owner does business here in Illinois, why didn't he simply apply for a CCW so that he could carry legally in our state?
I know cops who reside in Indiana but work for Illinois police agencies; they all have FOIDs, although they don't reside here, because you have to have an Illinois FOID to work as a police officer.
12/27/2017 05:12:00 AM
See, this is why some people hate the blog!!! Cause people make shit up. You don't need a FOID to be a cop in Illinois!!! You need one to be a CHICAGO cop. You know, just like everything else, the city surpasses the law with their stupid General Orders.
Now stop posting incorrect shit, cause you make us sound dumb
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Screw the NRA. Write a check to the GOA (Gun Owners of America)
12/27/2017 04:31:00 PM
Their affiliated with the NRA, signed a Life Member.........
You don't need a FOID to be a cop in Illinois!!! You need one to be a CHICAGO cop.
12/28/2017 05:45:00 AM
Here's some context, Chicago's in Illinois.
I am a disabled person. (Walk with a cane, from old polio) I live in the south loop. I am also a concealed carry licensee. I have been hassled a number of times by the thugs at that mall. I have complained to mccaffrey who runs the mall and is a donor of Rahm’s. Nothing has ever been done. Their minority security is on the phone and like other minorities relates more to criminals than victims. Today I was at Whole Foods in that mall spending tons of money and waiting at the deli when the ghetto rat security guard comes up and interrupts the girl waiting on me to ask for a cup to sample the salad bar. Unbelievable. Rahm allows his donors like mccaffrey to do anything and get away with it. I have spoken to Lori stein at mccaffrey as well as to Whole Foods about security issues and nothing was ever done. As a matter of fact Whole Foods is afraid to confront ghetto thugs panhandling and acting up in the store on roosevelt. I was This situation will be repeated if changes aren’t made and decent security is provided. Contact lstein@mccaffreyinterests.com. Rahm’s donors get away with murder.
What in the hell is going on in Chiraq when the police charge a victim of an armed robbery with anything. There is a thing called the Grand Jury which these types of cases are for. This case should be presented to the grand jury with all the facts and if they see fit to indict on anything then the citizens of Chiraq will have spoken. Its not on the Police or the States Attorney but on the citizens to take the hit. Its really no wonder why people are leaving this backward ass shithole. Good luck to the people who visit and for the cops who stay. Stay fetal means just that. If not for yourself, for your brothers who now take a beating in the court of public opinion outside the state of Chiraq and Awfulnoise
Communist Lucifarian Chicago, Hellinois will try their best to fuck the poor guy. You can count on it .
Go Trump, 2020 ! MAGA, MASA (Make America Safe Again)
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Citizens wait two hours for reports in the 001st District and the supervisors don’t say sh-t. Thry’re afrais to write up the bid desk officers.
12/28/2017 03:59:00 AM
If there’s a two hour wait they should send those citizens to the deuce for service.
The Deuce has friendly, efficient officers working the desk....NOT!
Even “the community” members don’t want to go into 002 for anything.... they go to 009 instead.
Anonymous said...
If the shop owner does business here in Illinois, why didn't he simply apply for a CCW so that he could carry legally in our state?
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12/27/2017 05:12:00 AM
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In Indiana you can simply apply. Be legal to possess a firearm, $40 (for four year license), $10 for fingerprints, boom: license issued within 60 days. Not even photo is required.
In Illinois, $300 for non-resident license, $200 plus or minus for 16 hour course by IL-certified instructor, add in $$ for fingerprints (just saw fee of $65), I think law says issued in 90 days but I know people who waited over 100... So in other words it's not "just apply."
Yes it would be better if he had gotten a non-resident license, but he probably used available cash for his First Amendment permit.
Wait, what's that you say?
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n Indiana you can simply apply. Be legal to possess a firearm, $40 (for four year license), $10 for fingerprints, boom: license issued within 60 days. Not even photo is required.
In Illinois, $300 for non-resident license, $200 plus or minus for 16 hour course by IL-certified instructor, add in $$ for fingerprints (just saw fee of $65), I think law says issued in 90 days but I know people who waited over 100... So in other words it's not "just apply."
Yes it would be better if he had gotten a non-resident license, but he probably used available cash for his First Amendment permit.
Wait, what's that you say?
12/28/2017 04:26:00 PM
Sorry but Illinois only issues non resident ccl licenses as of 2017 to residents of Arkansas, Mississippi, Texas and Virginia. (https://ispfsb.com/Public/FAQ.aspx) In 2015 it was only Hawaii, South Carolina, Virginia and New Mexico. The list varies from year to year based upon a survey sent by the Illinois state police to all the other states. The surveys goal is to determine if that states' concealed carry licensing laws are substantially similar to Illinois law, the biggest disqualifier seems to be the mental health reporting requirements.
You don't need a FOID to be a cop in Illinois!!! You need one to be a CHICAGO cop.
Not true. I'm a suburban cop, and it's required of my agency for all sworn personnel to have FOIDs as well.
Shield U Insurance is pretty good, and the cost is reasonable too.
https://www.shielduins.com
Any confirmation that CPD actually cuffed
and restrained this U.S. citizen who LAWFULLY
protected himself from death/great bodily harm
at the hands of the now deceased criminal shithead?
———
Well if I showed up on scene and found out there was a shooting and someone was dying, yes I’d handcuff people until I found out what really happened. The victim here has a history and is no alterboy, but acted lawfully and in self defense in this situation. Had he just left the scene as this one suggested, things may have been more difficult for him.
And to the other commentor, no, he was not charged with anything by the dicks. They obtain and present the facts. ASAs decide on charging.
You two are either not the police or not very good at your job.
12/27/2017 03:27:00 PM
So if an officer arrives at a shooting scene and someone he never met before tells him "I was afraid for my life" he should just accept that and let him go about his merry way?
It all has to be verified and documented. That takes time.
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