Inefficient Use of Manpower
If you receive specialized training - and a pay raise - from the Department, you really shouldn't be shoehorned into an office doing things that a PO or even a civilian, is more than qualified to do. We'd even go as far as to say if you aren't performing the job you were trained to do, you shouldn't be getting that pay grade.
Yeah, we're talking about the Evidence Techs as we had to wait a few hours the other day for one and there were like eight available citywide with a backlog reaching two pages. The ET who arrived mentioned that the administrative office was full of house mice who were full-duty, fully trained ET's, but who never set foot outside.
Why train someone who isn't going to do the job? You want to be a secretary, fine, but don't take a spot from someone who might actually want to do the job. Hey Ed, didn't this come up in the "efficiency study" a few years ago?
Yeah, we're talking about the Evidence Techs as we had to wait a few hours the other day for one and there were like eight available citywide with a backlog reaching two pages. The ET who arrived mentioned that the administrative office was full of house mice who were full-duty, fully trained ET's, but who never set foot outside.
Why train someone who isn't going to do the job? You want to be a secretary, fine, but don't take a spot from someone who might actually want to do the job. Hey Ed, didn't this come up in the "efficiency study" a few years ago?
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
152 Comments:
Front office, time keeping, caps, etc
You gotta be fucking kidding??? I know the department hides a ton of people inside but trained ETs at higher pay sitting inside doing desk work? This I didn't expect especially since ETs are short. This is something the media should look into. What a waste of taxpayer money. Who's the exempt boss that allows this?
A lot of districts still have p/o’s in radio rooms on the desk and in lock up. That’s about an extra 3 cars for the watch to utilize. Can’t a civilian pass out radios? I thought civilians do the desk functions, and lock up duties?? Anyone want to comment??
Forensics is overloaded with this nonsense. Overpaid secretaries! They take the job knowing they'll get an inside spot and the others just cry to the commander because they don't want the OT or court time. Don't forget the PFI's that are making SGT'S pay and working inside!!!
The ones that work the street are burnt out and the job is taking it's toll. The non stop bloodshed, death investigations, suicides, abuse cases,etc. The commander and LT could care less about the well being of those working the street. The only ones that attended this year's Christmas party were the house mouses because they have to!
You can blame Boehmer for that. She's hiding all her people. She has been doing it for years where ever she is the commanding officer!
Barely make it to burglaries anymore which are mostly legit victims paying alot of taxes for no service.
There are actually Forensic Investigators (that’s at D-3 pay not the ET D-2). That have been inside pretty much their entire career in Forensic Services. It’s truly pathetic
Thats like the 3 ftos that sit in the academy. Waste waste waste
The mantra is---It's all about me. Screw the others.
The et commanding officer is a guy confined to a wheel chair. Don't really know the story behind that but what I'm told is that they let him do whatever he wants since no one wants to look like the bad guy telling him no. And yes he does try to put as many people as possible inside. Et are strictly for pr anyway. Less than 1 percent of property crimes are solved by et anyway.
But it's the chicago way. Nothing wrong with getting yours in this fine city. Besides the long waits just mean less opportunity to jam yourself up.
Well when you babies daddy is a boss ( a shitty one at that) you can't be expected to actually work the street. If one does not want to do the job they are paid to do, all one has to do is find a married boss that has children, have an affair with him, get pregnant not once but twice by him, while he's still married, then continue to be an indignant home wrecker. All that's left is to sit back, act like you've earned your spot and look down on everyone else. And that boys and girls is how one becomes a useless house mouse ET.
Also how about the f/i's who work inside as well getting paid Sgt pay d 3 pay what a joke. 10 f/i's working inside while you have 1 f/i on the street who works when he wants to work 1 job every other day where is the accountability!!!
And don't even get me started with HK that guy his head is as big as his belly!!
Lemme tell ya SCC, that last paragraph nails it. I trained 3 new E.T's, putting in my time and effort to show them the right way,.... ONLY .....to have them go straight to Homan Square and be buried some where. I swear, had I known that, I think i'da told them just to stay in the car and process the scene myself....
EMT to ET: where does it hurt?
ET: it's my ass, doc. Sometimes I can't
feel it, sometimes I got pins and needles
EMT: you got bilateral ass neuropathy
ET: doc, I make my living with my ass;
I sit in this chair all day long
EMT: get up and move; try standing at your
desk. You guys ever go out in the field?
ET: well, sometimes. With the budget cutbacks
we only have one motorized scooter for 8 guys
EMT: work your ass off, kid. It's why so many
guys get heart attacks.
That’s the wife of Captain DH, different rules for different people. Same person who was complaining when she missed the class ahead of hers due to the merit people.
Brings to mind the wife of a certain Captain from 025.....I wonder if shes ever even processed a scene or did she just go right into the office after becoming an ET? This place is unreal
The horrors. You were down for a few hours not handling bullshit domestics waiting on an ET for a likely piece of shit victim who couldn’t care less that you were gathering evidence for the prosecution of his offender who the prosecutors couldn’t care even less about prosecuting?
This has been going on for years under the current commanders watch. He let's his personal FI run the show. They've been hiding the privileged and connected Fi's & ET's in all the sections. Murphy and Dubiel ruined this unit. But since we've never had an OJ moment here no one in the Command staff cares. Only a handful of FI's are left since he killed the position. Ever seen a Total Station or 3D Mapping used? Hundreds of thousands of dollars wasted in equipment and training never utilized to it's potential.
I'm a big fan of SCC, but you're totally wrong on this one. There are NEVER 8 ETs available at any given time. It's a rare day if there are eight ET's working any given watch. Then you have to take into consideration guys in court and units (at least two) assigned to bullshit protests (which there seems to be every other day), etc. That said, there is an over abundance of ET paygrade house mice populating the commanders office, firearms lab, photo lab etc. not to mention a few PFI pay grade (D3) house cats developing pictures and doing "administrative" things (hahahaha) while there is literally one PFI handling jobs and he's on first watch. None of these assholes should be making anything north of patrolman's pay at the most. Armed secretaries and gophers is all they are. We hump from job to job and work our asses off while these desk dollies stay toasty warm and don't have to get their hands dirty. Kind of like every other district and unit I guess.
Signed First Watch Grunt
Look at A/N D unit. “D.O.” who answers the phone on 3rd watch is a detective getting paid a nice detective salary just to answer the phone !
Your right but your also acting like this is something new. What about P.O.'s working the front office and caps (ya know...the chosen ones that never work the street)? or the P.O.'s that work in the courthouses signing you in? Shouldn't that be reserved for the merit sgt's? Hire more civilians and get the p.o.'s off the desk and on the street...i thought by hiring civilians that would help take officers off the desk...now we have more than ever working the desk- 1 civilian and 4 p.o.'s on the desk...all because they are being taken care of...yet we have cars that are 99 or down making us short on the street...what a fuckin joke!
Why do we have six PO's in the CAPS office, 4PO's in the front office, 4 footmen on a given day ? What a waste of manpower. Why not hire civilians for the front office and in the CAPS office for less income and put these PO's on the street. We could always use more manpower on the streets. This is poor management !
Anonymous Anonymous said...
There are actually Forensic Investigators (that’s at D-3 pay not the ET D-2). That have been inside pretty much their entire career in Forensic Services. It’s truly pathetic
12/12/2017 01:06:00 AM
Even worse is why does every 1 of the ballerinas detail,and the clerks and treasurers detail get sergeants pay,and sergeants pensions while all being 9161 patrolmen? And then they also have the "patrolmen" commanders getting the pay bumpo and pension bump!
I talked to kenny hauser at the pension board years ago they where in agreement and were "looking into it!" But as usual the "Chicago gimme mine" way is still in effect!
The pay bump is 1 thing, but stealing from the epnsion fund should be criminal! Wait so that means that whenever someone puts in an out of grade slip ever little bit more should be pensionable following this model correct! Here is an idea Kevin graham how about a class action lawsuit lets get not just the valet "what red lights we speed through them" rahms detail guys involved! Wait is rahm really leaving soon? Lisa Madigan what say you and daddy?
More inefficient uses of manpower how many sworn police officers are assigned to rahm? why cant he use 1 of the many connected security firms at 1/4 of the price? Then again here is rahm hollywood brother got him a segment on this goofs show:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/chicagoinc/ct-ent-rahm-emanuel-stephen-colbert-late-show-20171211-story.html
You can clearly see all the extremely soft questions,steve asks him! Nothing about the pout of control crime rates,the high crime in once good neighborhoods,the taking away of police retirees health care, the massive amounts of carjackings,the seniors being home invaded beaten robbed!
rahm boasts though about how he gives free college to illegals,basically boasting and daring President trump to enforce immigration laws as rahm and the crew break federal laws! This guy is worse than Al Capone and top gang leaders who at least try and hide and deny their criminal activities! sickening and pathetic! rahm says Chicago is a "Trump free zone" wtf is wrong with this guy??
The department pressured me to the point of losing my mind to go to limited duty. They refusd to listen to all doctors and the threatened termination. Yes the director of HR DO threatened termination for listening to my doctors while CPD also said I was unfit for duty .
A former pension board member who is a retired officer was sharing my personal health records with anyne who asked. As a matter of fact he continues to do this now while not even on the board in hopes of suceeding KH as chairman. Former Director of CPD HR threatened termination to me if I continued to listen and follow my doctors orders. All this pressure while ignoring the fact while on Duty Disability my career was halted for any possible promotion or who knows what. Point is they do not to recognize the CBA and the union does nothing but lie and deceive. Sorry to the Citizens of Chicago but I need to think of my health and safety. You dont want me working as a Police Officer when I can not protect myself and the citizens.
when I applied to be a cop I did it to lock people up and chase them. I never applied for a job as a secretary. Police Officers are given powers to arrest and detain.
as for the former pension board member ML. Your a total loser. Go hang out with your wife and family your retired. One day you rolled up on a traffic stop to assist . I will never forget it. Sorry to bruise your ego ML but having you assist us was nothing assuring of being safe. As a matter of fact it was a threat. The subject was a rather large guy and had that subject grabbed your pistol from you which would be easy I and my partner as well as you would be dead. the fact you sud to come back to the department after being shot is admirable but selfish . Go enjoy retirement ML. Go travel or be with your family. Stop working behind the scenes to take over KH spot. Your all about yourself and stroking your ego.
(OT) But so true:
Chicago police union official blasts $31 million wrongful conviction settlement as part of 'cottage industry'
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-met-chicago-police-englewood-four-settlement-20171211-story.html
more and more giving away taxpayers money, wonder how much the lawyers that represent the felons give back via campaign contributions or the old "manila" stuffed envelopes?
No way no how are the elected criminals not getting their share!They could take the police retirees health care which rahm viciously ripped away and give away to these prisoners! Then how many billions given away to pander to illegals breaking all federal laws?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
A lot of districts still have p/o’s in radio rooms on the desk and in lock up. That’s about an extra 3 cars for the watch to utilize. Can’t a civilian pass out radios? I thought civilians do the desk functions, and lock up duties?? Anyone want to comment??
12/12/2017 12:16:00 AM
Yeah, let’s give up bid spots to civilians. Have a civilian do the sheets and have the po’s give their time due slips to the civilians who will determine if we have the manpower to spare that day for a day off. Have a civilian hand out equipment and give you a shit car because they’ve never worked the streets and have no idea what a “good” car is and could care less if you have one. Have you seen the civialians they hire?
What manpower?
In 2008 there were 127 ETs and 43 FIs. Today there is 76 ETs working the street and 1 FI working the street. The ET numbers will dwindle even more in the coming months with new promotions coming.
That is 1 FI working the street along with 76 ETs. All split across three watches. Factor in DOGs, furlough, any medical, and possibly a little CU here and there, on any given day you have possibly 11 at most working the streets. That’s 11 ETs working across the entire city. Driving rental sedans with no emergency equipment, driving half way across the city in traffic. Also factor in when an ET does get there and their 10 year old camera takes a shit, as they do on a daily basis, you now have to wait in hopes the ET can get another ET to drive half way across the city with a working camera to use.
Now whenever a homicide comes in, 2 ETs should be assigned to process that scene. Factor in a couple of homicides a day or even a watch and you can see how it goes down hill fast in seeing an ET at a crime scene in any timely manner. The department is also sending 1 ET at times to homicides because of their complete failure to run the unit properly. That is a recipe for disaster and should never, ever be done. I challenge the department to name 1 police department across the country that sends 1 ET to process a homicide scene.
You now have a dedicated group of detectives who run police shootings exclusively. Wouldn’t you think you would have a group of ETs that would process all police shootings or scene of that nature? A specialized group with great training? A FORENSIC INVESTIGATOR! Well you don’t. It is a roll of the dice and you get whoever is available when the shooting happens. It is not a knock to any ET, but just like any other position, there are ones who are better at their job then others. There are ETs who excel at their job more then others. These are the ones who should be processing these scenes.
Just remember 1 FI and 76 ETs working the streets for the 2nd largest police department in the country which continually leads in homicides and has an ever increasing number of shootings. Pack a lunch and a phone charger cause the time sitting holding a crime scene will continue to rise.
God bless Cmdr Murphy for his situation, but he’s gotta go.
FYI, the city reduced the budgeted ETs from 120 to 100. There are 12 working inside including one who is the Admin E.T. Sgt's daughter who comes to work for 4 hours then works out and leaves everyday. The pseudo Commander in the wheel chair has allowed this to continue throughout his tenure taking care of his inside people while throwing the working E.T.s on the street under the bus. Imagine covering the entire city's violent crime with only 4 or 5 E.T.'s working per shift daily. The remaining PFI's are being eliminated by attrition, the 3 that actually work the street are phenomenal hard working officers that are not appreciated for what they do with little to no support. I think Forensics needs a complete overhaul with new leadership, the status quo there is inefficient and political cronyism at its best. Don't even start to mention the political hack PFI who makes his own hours, has a take home car while not responding to jobs and steals over 80K in OT each year while using the commander's credentials to write himself up for awards in the hopes of that meritorious SGT spot (Herbie K) STROKE.
Anonymous said...
Barely make it to burglaries anymore which are mostly legit victims paying alot of taxes for no service.
12/12/2017 12:37:00 AM
Yuuuuuuuuup. That right there is among societies' largest mistake right there.
That particular crime is trivialized when it ought to be among the larger set just short of murder and great bodily harm and battery.
SO much time and energy spent on the broken window theory that the politicians can't see the forest through the trees. Far too much bogus "prevention" that isn't preventing anything and not nearly enough time spent on actual crimes.
Taxpayers screwed twice, basically amounting to being robbed twice.
You nailed it to the wall right there 12:37!
Where’s the IG?
Kinda like K9, three trainers with fully trained dogs that almost never work the street.
Nobody should work an inside spot with less than 20 years on. Tired and burnt out with 6 years on the job?😳.wow
As a poster mentioned earlier, for lockup duties, the county is laying off deputies, they could do it...
@ 12:23 AM....Your last sentence was full of SHIT, but the rest was spot on....
City should privatize the position.. get three times the manpower paying less to company..
As a matter of fact, privatize the entire dept!! Get digby & digby, along "agb" (always give back) to play police and conduct investigations! They already think they are the real police any how!! Lol! Jajajajaja!
Sometimes you just have to wonder, why am I out here working, paying taxes and trying to do everything "right", when I could be collecting a check and sit on my ass all day long?
Like too many "house mice", they're proud to be Chicago Police Officers, but don't actually want to go outside and face any bad guys.
(Open secret, it's the Officers on the street that citizens support!)
J.J.
You might have about 8 ET's working the whole city and then guess what happens when there is a police shooting. The last one was used at least 4 ET's and a SGT.
We keep going over this issue and as I said in earlier comments -
Eliminate the Duty Availability, Supplemental OT Initiatives, Out of Grade, D2 and Seniority Bidding for those that want to sit on their duffs in a warm office environment 5 days a week, DOG S/S or whatever.
See how many house mice flee the crawl space.
Plenty of close to retirement po’s willing to fill the space, which is better than a mouse that had been inside for 25 yrs.
Management abuses and their poor decision making is the main source of hoarding their friends in warm spots.
$90k for a nonessential clerk + another $5k for show.
FOP should address this as well.
Recommend a Contract change, what’s the use of complaining or relying on a Exempt to do make cuts.
That's a lot of money to be a time keeper.oh yeah she was meritorious, clout baby, cough, heavy, cough, never hit the streets a PFI, NEVER.
How about the goof that runs the FIs and ETs? It's so funny to hear him yell at that Sgt from 005, get me water and where are you, I need lunch.
Didn't Disney make a movie about that little Volkswagen bug.
Our that goof that kept brining the same guns to the press conference every time and the reporters verified the serial numbers and embarrassed mc Compstat. He is still inside reading cowboy comic books. Oh I'm sorry graphic novels. Lapa is never gonna make you a Sgt goof because you read comics to their children on tape.
Not an E.T here or close with any but working in a busy district where requests for them are numerous....I have to say the E.T's are pretty fast and good at what they do. I stand by them.
This is our Department swamp, but there's no one to clean it out.
Stop by my circus tent. On a daily basis we have more armed secretaries in this tent then we do answering radio assignments. And guess what? They arrive after us and go home before us.
YEP ONLY IN CHICAGO , Its WHO You Know , get to sit on there ASS all day now , WITH A RAISE
The other day, I do a report for a lady who had bullet holes in her door,I ask for a ET,The dispatcher tells me they dont come out for Criminal Damage to Property.
The Dept hires civilians in the Districts to pass our radios, So We can put the house mouses on the Street,In 018 We got those Civilians but the house mouses never went on the street,We now have more people working inside.
FTO is the only title code that has majority of them on the street.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
A lot of districts still have p/o’s in radio rooms on the desk and in lock up. That’s about an extra 3 cars for the watch to utilize. Can’t a civilian pass out radios? I thought civilians do the desk functions, and lock up duties?? Anyone want to comment??
12/12/2017 12:16:00 AM
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Read your contract!!
There are desk bid & watch relief bid positions for P.O.'s!
Those are positions that have been fought for in contract negotiations and you're talking shit about the Officers who have the seniority to bid for those positions???
Gert some time on the job junior and you too can bid for a desk spot!
In 018 there are 80 Officers on 5th Watch, More than 3rd watch, What is 5th Watch?
A Bullshit Watch for those on Management they hide and don't do paper,The Entertainment Unit is a Joke,Do We need 4 cars on State and Division on a Tuesday so that the Officers can hang out in a Restaurant and watch TV all night.
I can understand the need for a sworn officer handling sensitive information. But how many young officers have inside jobs of answering phones, typing reports, filing reports? Why are those positions filled by younger officers? Why not use veteran officers with years of experience? It seems the common denominator are connected females with young children, connected females and males with little or no street experience? Is it necessary to have a new ET work inside handling paperwork? How many commanders hide young officers at inside jobs within their units? Absolute waste of skilled manpower. In the past, veterans recovering from a illness or injury or ready to retire were used for inside jobs. Watching a class of newly promoted sgts and LTS it is easy to predict who will be inside within 2 months. Some even boast of how they will not stay on the street. This so sad and a waste of skilled officers.
How about the BRAND NEW sergeant who was given a job as a secretary in narcotics?
We had a hot car that said hold for prints/processing and it took 8 hours for the ET to come out. Not his fault, but the shortage is really affecting patrol. That’s a car down the whole shift just sitting watching an empty car. And that’s just a recent example. The average wait time is prob around 3-5 hours. Again, not the ET’s fault, but you’d think they’d have a more efficient way of doing this or hire more of them.
This is what Boehmer does....hides her people!
Don't do the job don't get the pay case closed
The Commander of the ETs own secretary is the an ET and also is the daughter of a Sgt who works there. Its all legit.
OT: looks like Cook County isn't the only one with this problem
https://www.themaven.net/bluelivesmatter/news/12-year-old-raped-at-gunpoint-by-repeat-offender-on-gps-monitoring-xAzZ95OCn060GrlfpyP6oA
I call bullshit on eight evidence techs available. It's a rare day when there are that many even working any watch. They are short just like everyone else. But as far as the deadweight in the administrative spots? Way too much of that bullshit going on there. I agree, the secretaries should not be making D2 or D3 sitting inside everyday. They won't even fake like they actually earn their money and make them work a car one or two days out of the week. God forbid Murphy's stable of ET secretaries might have to get their hair or make up messed up processing a crime scene. Total waste of resources. I wonder how they'll adjust their six hour days when it's time to start swiping in
Rahm let’s this go on. Johnson knows but the citizens don’t know
Anonymous Anonymous said...
A lot of districts still have p/o’s in radio rooms on the desk and in lock up. That’s about an extra 3 cars for the watch to utilize. Can’t a civilian pass out radios? I thought civilians do the desk functions, and lock up duties?? Anyone want to comment??
Police cadets did all those duties and they were only civilians. They had no street experience or any experience at all because most were just out of high school
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The other day, I do a report for a lady who had bullet holes in her door,I ask for a ET,The dispatcher tells me they dont come out for Criminal Damage to Property.
12/12/2017 11:32:00 AM
That's right, simpleton. We don't come out for criminal damage to property. Just like we don't come out for simple batteries or burglaries where the preliminary investigator (YOU) has determined there is nothing of probative value. It's called prioritizing, kind of like how jobs beat officers handle are dispatched according to their importance. Some of you nitwits need remedial training when it comes to determining whether or not an eidence technician is even needed. Just like you can pick up fired cartridge cases at a scene involving no personal injury. So next time you handle a job where somebody's front door was shot up ( but not any person behind that door), don't even bother notifying citywide 2 for a refusal.
Don't forget about detectives being placed in po spots. I know of 2 personally. 1 is in narcotics as bursar. He had the position as a possible then made detective and went right back as a detective. The other one is a female was in earps as possible made detective and came right back as detective. Amazing how people have such luck on this department.
How about the PFI that work inside on days?
Look at the number of detectives now assigned to inside positions at HQ?
There is no leadership, no decision maker on this department.
I’m glad someone said it. It’s utterly ridicules. 10 experienced Evidence Technicians sitting in the office at Homan Square with the office door locked; playing candy a** and talking sh** to patrol when we call to request an ET. Lord forbid if you call the office directly, their famous words are “hang up the phone and switch over to Citywide-2.” Basically stand in line. Their other famous words are, “if you’re coming up here, you better come before 11’o clock, because we’ll be gone.”
New detectives working Case Management. Detectives working timekeeping and 40 detectives screening cases instead of working the field. The more detectives they promote, the more veteran detectives run and hide. I have eleven months left and it can’t come fast enough.
Rapes kits left at hospitals for weeks waiting for E/T’s to pick them up.
Read your contract!!
There are desk bid & watch relief bid positions for P.O.'s!
Those are positions that have been fought for in contract negotiations and you're talking shit about the Officers who have the seniority to bid for those positions???
Gert some time on the job junior and you too can bid for a desk spot!
No you can't, these bid spots are a career bid. So, if you bid for the spot with no time on the job and happen to make the bid, you can stay on the desk your entire career. Before you say that can't happen, it has multiple times. You should have 20 years on the job before you can even bid for an inside spot. The bid system for the desk is a joke, I know of many officer who made the bid for the desk with less then 4 years on the job and now they have over 20. What a waste, they never were the police. Such a waste of man power. People on this department have no shame and are totally selfish from the top all the way to the bottom of this shit show.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
FTO is the only title code that has majority of them on the street.
12/12/2017 11:42:00 AM
..and half of the FTOs shouldn’t be training anyone. They should be on the desk considering how many sh** they’ve been involved in.
E.T. E.D. Is only a E.T. By title. She works for the Commander and worked for the Commander as a PO. At a meeting she kept handing him a water bottle. She never did Police work. Her Father received a merit sgt spot from the Commander. I wonder what the family does or what the Commander owes this family that he seems to really take care of them.
Retirement around the corner.
Photo and Laser people are useless. I would close those sections down. The street ETs need help. Besides the photo section likes complaining about how many photos were taken and they weren't there. Bad practice Sgt G. Photo prince.
Both of the commander's secretaries are ET's. The ones husband was in the first class off of the last test along with the secretary who is the daughter of the meritorious SGT and former FI. Both scored amazing well because they are great test takers! The test was created by the inside FI with the big head, big belly & take home car.
Sgt make believe MO. Daydreams he is a boss. Never did much and a very bad trainer. Herb is another one who pulls the unit down. It's to bad the department doesn't have better equipment, training and leadership. The job turned sour.
Just got here, glad I'm about to get a real promotion. I would rather be in Patrol. To bad a lot of hard workers here.
I was an ET, it's a thankless job where everyone feels like you never do shit. We have Sgt's who never did the job who think they are gods gift to the place. Especially on 2nd watch.
Real negative place. That's why most ETs are grumpy. Sad.
A good friend of mine is an ET. He related that the job sux but he can't afford to give up his D2. It's the usual complaints junk cars, junk equipment, bad management, no manpower, heavy on the chosen ones and unappreciated.
I said welcome to my world in patrol.
Another spot wrecked by the lack of real leadership. What ever happened to needing forensic evidence for trials?
What's with the old ass term of Forensic Services? The rest of the country goes with CSI - Crime Scene Investigators. What Services are given or applied? We need to move into the new age of using science. Cameras can't do everything.
The whole CPD has become a waste of manpower. 12% homicide clearance rate, no chase policy, no proactive policing, sanctuary city designation, ridiculous use of force orders and no follow thru on prosecutions why even have a police force. Not your fault it's just what city seems to want. Time to let the law of the jungle prevail.
The other day, I do a report for a lady who had bullet holes in her door,I ask for a ET,The dispatcher tells me they dont come out for Criminal Damage to Property.
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If you want ET's to handle misdemeanor CDTP cases then be prepared to wait 4 hrs. instead of 2hrs. for us to process more serious crimes.
Time to check out the Black Site aka Homan Square with all the wasted man power in some of these Units like Narcotics, Asset Forfeiture way too many people there who are useless!! This department needs to re-examine the use of its manpower and utilize it where it desperately needs to be
Even out in field, They don't do squat. They don't even do gsr kits anymore. They make Dets do it. And they are always out of kits to begin with! Unreal.
Look at the uselesss people in photo lab. Work a 4 hr tour
The other day, I do a report for a lady who had bullet holes in her door,I ask for a ET,The dispatcher tells me they dont come out for Criminal Damage to Property.
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hey genius, what is the ET supposed to inventory, the car?! were you really go na sit on that scene all day for some b.s. or are you just upset because you couldnt milk it to play candy crush and instagram. did you make sure to console the victim too you fucking crybaby. if you knew your job and did a little digging you would ask that same dispatcher to check the area for calls of shots fired in the vicinity within the last 24 hours, find the rd, read the report to see if it pertains to the damage, and do a supplementary report! (omg that sounds like police work ewww!). for fucks sake learn the damn job. on a side note, so tired of these noobies that define themselves as "real police" because they tvb everyone with a pulse but give shithead joe a break because they're too scared to search the car convincing themselves that's not weed in the center console but oregano instead. grow a pair! writing tickets is not policing. youre a god damned glorified meter maid. join isp if you want to be the ticket police. most of these fuckers cant even write paper to save their lives. as I've said before, i pray to sweet baby jesus my family never needs police service in this city!
signed,
jaded copper from 002, home of crsytal "camel commander" king-smith. because remember, if y'all want some of that bling bling come to 002. mmmhhhmmmmmm. ok I'm done now, soap box moment over.
p.s. we all know damn well no one's gonna go out of there way to do a supplementary and do all that digging, but at least dont make a fool out of yourself and cry about it on the blog, just sayin'.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
A lot of districts still have p/o’s in radio rooms on the desk and in lock up. That’s about an extra 3 cars for the watch to utilize. Can’t a civilian pass out radios? I thought civilians do the desk functions, and lock up duties?? Anyone want to comment??
12/12/2017 12:16:00 AM
Civilians not trained to handle tasers among other deficiency's.
What did anyone expect with HK running the field operations.
I just can't wait to leave Chicago........... Yes. I'm moving out Illinois too.
It's always been the same from the beginning of time. You have the connected and the workers. The problem sounds like a lot of connected and not enough rowers in the boat.
The whole department stinks ;P
I don't care if an ET ever makes out to my job. I will just wait. The city should hire more if they are serious about crime and court convictions. It might be a little protection from lawsuits. They should get serious about crime before the public moves away.
So everyone is no informed. Carry on and push your car across the city. The day ET supervisor EM is not worth much. Totally should be in a District so he can be supervised. Some Sgt's don't work well with others.
Everyone is short manpower. Why don't mo, em and king hk request more. They run the place. Just ask them.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The other day, I do a report for a lady who had bullet holes in her door,I ask for a ET,The dispatcher tells me they dont come out for Criminal Damage to Property.
What did you want them to do, take photos? How about search for untestable bullet fragments to inventory for no apparent reason? You probably erroneously assume that a team of detectives will be assigned to solve the case by arrest and conviction.
Commander Murphy is a stand up boss. The rest of the leadership is flawed. Commander does the best he can with all the lemons they give him. He drinks lemonade 365 days out of the year, 3 times a day! I would replace the Lt not worth much. About 80% of the Sgt's don't know how to do the job or lead.
Afternoon grunt.
Last one to leave the office on days turnout the lights.
FI's went the way of the call box. It's to bad they had a lot more training. HK never did the work and always worked inside. He will be the last one left. The best service died with the title. FI's had a lot more training at 11th and State.
What will it take to get the numbers that are needed to accomplish the mission.
I pry to my god before I hit the streets that we will be safe, go home as we came and make extra money.
Third watch is busy. Stay safe.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Brings to mind the wife of a certain Captain from 025.....I wonder if shes ever even processed a scene or did she just go right into the office after becoming an ET? This place is unreal
Oh yes it is she is for real inside at a nice desk spot making d2 pay what a joke!!!
I know unit 177 wishes everyone left their names on the blog. Certainly they would target posters who speak the truth.
One star. KMA Club!
I tell ya, it's that damn " night blindness" all over again!
The building that the ET's come out of is a joke. Never was set up for this type of work. It's embarrassing. A lawsuit should be brought on the architect and designer. Work flow is nonexistent.
The biggest problem in the office is ED distracting the field units and complaining. It's a shame never worked as an ET and only has the title code.
ERT
You know why this condition exists, SCC, and so does everyone else in the CPD...SENIORITY and CLOUT.
Everyone who has stayed well past their collect pension go now date is simply taking up space, filling positions where they are contributing almost nothing to the team effort. And of course, our unions support this from top to bottom.
The Forensic Unit is not what it seems. It's under staffed, lack of on going training and lack of equipment. Herbster needs to stop running the place and bring in a qualified expert.
FSD needs a total makeover.
It was not their decision to stop doing GSR's, buccal swabs or lineups. GSR's should be done ASAP and with the unit being depleted down to nothing this is obviously not possible. These tasks are now done by the detectives. Bring back the Crime Lab and they'll gladly do these again!
Third watch has a prince for a boss. Stand up guy. And believe it or not the unit works hard
. Give them a break.
Nobody should work an inside spot with less than 20 years on. Tired and burnt out with 6 years on the job?��.wow
12/12/2017 09:55:00 AM
Agreed. This is probably one of the biggest problems on the job. All inside spots should belong to the vets. Put your time on the street for at least 20 years, and then your dogged ass can sit on a desk until your retire. This should be law.
Promotions should be changed to. Got to have 5 years on to be detective; 10 years on to be sergeant; 15 years on to be lieutenant; 20 years on to be captain or exempt rank. Even if you are a slug, you need the time on the job to gain some type of experience to earn a promotion.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You know why this condition exists, SCC, and so does everyone else in the CPD...SENIORITY and CLOUT.
Everyone who has stayed well past their collect pension go now date is simply taking up space, filling positions where they are contributing almost nothing to the team effort. And of course, our unions support this from top to bottom.
12/13/2017 01:35:00 AM
Taking up space and swear that they are a necessity. They have nothing to contribute, but because they have more time on than their newly promoted supervisor, they are allowed to do nothing. They have a way of making that nothing seem like a whole lot. I can’t wait until the last of the sour puss patch officers leave or dies out.
Why does commander have ET's doing office work , come in late and leave early .
They do not swipe in and out at Homan Square .
They need close Homan Square down and move them into a new two-level building. It’s a overly- secured dump. The building should be torn down.
What above the detective who is assigned to the Palmer House Hotel downtown? The hotel detective. Who’s in charge of this?
This unit need an enema.
A long time ago, someone I worked with taught me that a lot of my job was waiting for other people to do their job.
Be careful what you wish for.
What's the difference? I'm getting paid either way. Where else have I got to go? To another possibly career-ending job?
Whether I'm waiting for an et, detectives, at the hosptial or wherever, I'm not getting any citizen beefs, COPA isn't looking to fire me, I'm not having to do something that might cause me to lose my job.
I use that time to catch up on the news, play on my phone, so some sodoku, etc.
I don't use it to worry about how the department uses its manpower.
Fuck that. Sitting around doing nothing while in a paid status is an integral part of my fetality strategy.
As a Forensic Investigator I want a all the murders I can handle so I can sit in court 20
hours a week and make my $80.00 an hour OT. I don't care how many people work inside. Plus, the Commander is a good guy.
Detectives as secretaries is simply ridiculous. The Commanding Officer is to blame. Who’s in charge of this?
There have been canine officers who would come to work without their canine. Bomb dog unit is a joke! Lacks supervision.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Stop by my circus tent. On a daily basis we have more armed secretaries in this tent then we do answering radio assignments. And guess what? They arrive after us and go home before us.
12/12/2017 11:11:00 AM
Do they ride around the office on tiny tricycles wearing big
long shoes and big red noses while throwing pies at each other?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Read your contract!!
There are desk bid & watch relief bid positions for P.O.'s!
Those are positions that have been fought for in contract negotiations and you're talking shit about the Officers who have the seniority to bid for those positions???
Gert some time on the job junior and you too can bid for a desk spot!
No you can't, these bid spots are a career bid. So, if you bid for the spot with no time on the job and happen to make the bid, you can stay on the desk your entire career. Before you say that can't happen, it has multiple times. You should have 20 years on the job before you can even bid for an inside spot. The bid system for the desk is a joke, I know of many officer who made the bid for the desk with less then 4 years on the job and now they have over 20. What a waste, they never were the police. Such a waste of man power. People on this department have no shame and are totally selfish from the top all the way to the bottom of this shit show.
12/12/2017 05:45:00 PM
No kidding!
Thanks einstein!
Wife to idiot captain DH has been taking care of her entire career !!!first her clout was her Dad , getting her into whatever Cush spot she wanted . Now Douchebag DH is pulling the strings to whichever soft spot she wants to land . She became an ET and discovered you actually have to work ! Gasp horror !!!
careful what you say about the guy from 025's wife she cries easily and often!
It's nice to see everyone is in the Christmas spirit. Reflecting on our family, friends and selves seem to be over do. God bless everyone like tiny Tim! 😁
That's right, simpleton. We don't come out for criminal damage to property. Just like we don't come out for simple batteries or burglaries where the preliminary investigator (YOU) has determined there is nothing of probative value. It's called prioritizing, kind of like how jobs beat officers handle are dispatched according to their importance. Some of you nitwits need remedial training when it comes to determining whether or not an eidence technician is even needed. Just like you can pick up fired cartridge cases at a scene involving no personal injury. So next time you handle a job where somebody's front door was shot up ( but not any person behind that door), don't even bother notifying citywide 2 for a refusal.
12/12/2017 05:00:00 PM
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Sorry to piss you off crusty jagoff but what you dont realize is that it dosen’t matter what us simpleton primary investigators want anymore, the merit promoted Sgt is telling us to do notify you guys and get a refusal.
How about the detective assigned to drive the Merv truck to homicides and police shootings. He gets there and hands the detectives the victim's rap sheets. Yes this is his sole responsibility
Anonymous Anonymous said...
That’s the wife of Captain DH, different rules for different people. Same person who was complaining when she missed the class ahead of hers due to the merit people.
12/12/2017 07:00:00 AM
You gotta be fucking joking. Her husband would be a PO if it weren't for the bullshit merit system. Maybe SHE can tell Dave how it feels to be passed over by a useless, incompetent merit hack. While she is at it, how about letting Tony Escamerit know how it feels. Two useless assholes who are poster boys for the screwed up system. Mrs Harris, STFU. Merit is the only reason your husband makes 140K.
How about the detective assigned to drive the Merv truck to homicides and police shootings. He gets there and hands the detectives the victim's rap sheets. Yes this is his sole responsibility
12/13/2017 03:34:00 PM
Oh yes and he hasn't had a bad spot on this dept what a joke that guy is useless!!
There is a no it all JH who thinks he is a dick. He should be able to pond out jobs.
Midnight has its share of goofs too AH!
We need good training at Unit 277. Not Sgt 0 and wide load.
All I can say is Nice job!
It is funny. 30 years ago we were always short ET's, who were assigned to the districts. Then they changed that and ET's and Crime lab were incorporated into their own unit. Still w ae always short ET's. But how many cops, instead of telling their supervisor, crime scene contaminated, no ET requested. Allow them to go on jobs that there is a chance of an arrest. Best thing they did was trained Detectives to collect buccal swabs and other previous ET tasks.
For those who are knocking the Detective who is assigned to the MIRV. it is not just printing rap sheets. It is setting up any camera or video evidence. Mking sure all brass are aware of everything going on. Making sure every asset to help in the investigation is notified and responding. You were responsible for anything and everything. I worked one fatal shooting of a PO. Worded from 7 am to to 5am the next day. Had to co-ordinate everything for the bosses, since their radios were off.
How did I get job as other nice jobs. Not clout, but I was recognized as a worker who was thorough.
3rd watch rules ;P
The most jobs come in for ETs on 3rd watch.
Get rid of the 10hr day and start 3rd watch at 3 more manpower on the street
Our ETs don't come out for Criminal Damage to Property bullet holes in door,How come other Depts do,We are Fucking Understaffed and run like Shit.
Bullet holes in door today,Next week person Who called found dead from gun shot,We dont know if its from the same gun caliber etc because We dont come out for CDTP.
To Anonymous 10:53 PM
30 years ago the ETs were not in the districts. The ETs were put in the districts starting in 1989. At the start there were over 300 ETs made and each watch usually had 3 but only one was actually working as an ET because of lack of extra equipment. The FIs still were assigned to 1121 S. State. As time went by a lot of the ETs quit because of the way the districts were using them for other assignments such as FTOs since they were already making D2 money anyway. The number of ETs continued to dwindle down until there were many districts that either didn't have any working or just hid them on a beat car and when an ET was needed requested one on City Wide from another district. When the FIs were moved to Homan Square in 2000 the ETs were pulled out of the districts and started working out of locations on the North and South sides. The department was trying at that time to join the FIs and ETs into one unit at Homan Square but that didn't happen until about 5 or 6 years ago and by that time the department had already decided to eliminate the FIs through attrition and stopped replacing FIs that retired of passed away. Now you have only a handful of FIs left and ETs working out of a building that is difficult to get to especially during rush hour and that are handling assignments that FIs used to handle which does not leave them much time to handle the burglaries and other property crimes which they used to be assigned to. This was all planned out by the department to save money by eliminating the FI position.
The ETs need to be assigned to the District. That could really save money and help manpower. This is coming from an ET!
The whole ET program is broken. A lot of the fault lying on HK and the Commander. Today at roll call everyone was talking and a lot of the ETs are glad for the post and that it put a lot of attention on the front office problems. We really should go back to the Districts. Beat 1609 here I come.
There is a lot of snickers in the hallway and gym :)
Ets should be in the districts.
Conflict of interest when you directly supervise your daughter and she only shows up four hours a day. General orders mean nothing to these clouted ass wipes. This Sgt. Always threatening those who call him out about his daughter doing NOTHING and getting paid ET pay for four hours of show hop time and that's spent shopping on line. We need help on these streets, not someone shopping and working out and bragging how she gets away with it cause her daddy is a merit Sgt and the boss. Keep pushing that wheelchair Your Marve-olous .
The ETs need to be assigned to the District. That could really save money and help manpower. This is coming from an ET!
Good in theory. Some districts don't request ET's on a daily basis. Some request an ET every hour. It would be an unbalanced Workload. Area based perhaps. And for those that say they could be utilized when they need them what happens when that 1 ET is down on a cluster of a caper, then what do they do? Wait for the next watch? Borrow from a bordering district? That would require district supervisors to make decisions and we know how that would go. Essentially it would require the personnel budget to be increased from the current 110 to approximately 180 to make it work right. And that's not including the bodies required for the evidence analysis. This year there were a total of 76 ET watch spots. Let that sink in.
ETs will never go back to the districts for several reasons. #1 there aren't enough ETs to man all the districts and watches. #2 There isn't enough cars and equipment. #3 If they were back in the districts the watch commanders would just screw it up and use the ETs where ever they wanted to and there would be the same problems as when they were in the districts. #4 There aren't any FIs left to handle the homicides and shootings because of the way the unit has been destroyed by the so called bosses. Regarding HK, Everyone knew that he was a cancer when he first stepped foot into the unit. To bad someone can't look into who his clout is that allowed him to make his own hours up and work as much overtime as he wanted. He was making more money than the FIs when he was in Laser and still an ET. Now he makes more than anyone in the unit and never has to process any scenes. Something stinks at Homan Square and it ain't the the drying room evidence.
ETs should be in a District. If there is a District that need help get one from a nearby District. Lot, lots of money could be saved with eliminating supervisors and ETs could do other work when slow. District would be better served.
Evidence Response Team (ERT) trained ET who knows what's going on.
The best comments have been about putting us ETs in the District. That idea needs to be looked at. Human sqare is a defense attorney's dream and a states attorneys nightmare. How offen is the packing area cleaned with proper sterilizing cleaners. NEVER! This is from a unit that collects blood and DNA and packaging are isn't clean. Office dollies need to help out. Same pay, same work, and we need clean sterilized are to work in. HK, MO said work area needs to be clear and clean. What a joke. Forensic ET Unit is a joke. AH and EM Jokes stupid-visors. They don't know about evidence collection or packaging.
SCC: there needs to be a new post about ETs back in District.
Cinderella doing online shopping in Office. Say it isn't so ED. Special ED. So, so, so special. A computer audit could turn up all the waisted time doing personal crap. I don't know it to be true. I still believe it with everything else I do know. It fits your personality. Get over at any cost. You left your fellow ETs with doing nothing more than your ET training. That's right. You were the secretary get made and go back to secretarial work. Why make ET??
The ETs, what's left of FIs and supervisors are all talking about this post. Supervisors are afraid of getting dumped because they are exposed for being clueless. Everyone else other than the ones called out are HAPPY! It's amazing how this post brings happiness! Merry Christmas Unit 277.
Keep it up. The end result will be ET's back in the district, and the inside people at Homan will still be there, just without having to deal with you. If you're so aggrieved why don't you tell these people to their face? Who is the mouse now?
ETs back home in Districts!!!!!!
Can't wait, I can have shorter travel time. Process crimes closer to my house. Who cares about inside people. I only care about what's good for the tax payers. That is to save money. This would be a savings to have ETs in the District. Nice!
ETs in District or out of the Detective Areas! Best idea!
Some depts. actually pay their officers who choose to work certain inside positions LESS.
Premium pay for those who are assigned street duty. Maybe that should be considered here also?
Rumor has it on change day 25Feb2017 a stand up Sergeant from 3rd watch in Forensic Services is being launched because Commander H.K. and Director J.M. were upset to what was said at the last staff meeting. Rumor has it the stand up Sergeant inquired about why all deceased at scenes had to be fingerprinted just to clear the active warrant database when there is positive identification of the deceased on scene. (I thought per law a death scene was the jurisdiction of the Medical Examiner in the County where the death occurred. There have been death scenes that eventually were determined to be ruled homicides. Printing the body prior to the body pre autopsy could potentially destroy evidence.) Or was it for the stand up Sergeant going to bat trying to get quality certified training for the Evidence Technicians because the lack of Police Forensic Investigators lack of now performing duties at homicides and police shootings. Is the testimony of former Evidence Technician now Detective A.A. a few weeks ago when the defense attorney asked what qualifications there were for processing crime scenes and the response of the former E.T. was we just have EXPERIENCE. The inside house training in Forensic Services is a joke. Evidence Technicians should have certified training from Northwestern Safety Institute which consist of 3 classes, or University of Illinois Police Safety Institute. Well enough of this rant. Sergeant you will be missed!
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