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This is some story if accurate:
- And the subject of the ISR came up at the Compstat meeting on Thursday. In an "In yo face" moment, reminiscent of the McCarthy Compstat meetings, the Lt. from the 017th District Third Watch was Called Out for the amusement and entertainment of everyone present.
IT SEEMS THAT THE 17TH DISTRICT 3RD WATCH FAILED TO GENERATE A SINGLE ISR FOR THE ENTIRE MONTH!Talk About Unity!The Lt. stammered, stuttered and committed the Mortal Sin of any Bureaucracy, by stating he was unaware of the zero ISR situation. So he was threatened, that he will be asked next meeting to explain the ISRs for his Watch.
But what threat value other than embarrassment can be done to the Lieutenant? If the coppers in 017 start to issue ISR's and state that they are doing so because they were told that they must generate stops; does that sound like a Quota? What the Bosses, Political Hacks and Politicians fail to realize is they have forced coppers to the wall, because there is neither a Carrot or Stick. If next month the 017th District 3rd Watch again, has no ISRs, what can the Department do?
We'll certainly see what the Department thinks it can do at the next meeting. Stay tuned.
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posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
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My hats off the men and women of the 3rd Watch 017, that is the way to stick together. Keep up the good work! As for the Lt, if there are no ISRs next month the Lt will probably be moved to a nice cushy unit. That is just how this F'd up Department works.
POs from the 003rd Dist. should jump on this. If your from 003 let's see if you guys have the balls.
Quotas quotas quotas....it never ends. This is why the ACLU got involved last time. Too bad the Lt gets all worked up. He’s a nice guy, maxed out and is the senior bid Lt. Who cares? Maybe he should speak out about being way understaffed and in a job backlog nearly all day. I believe 017 is the most understaffed district in the city. I can understand why the multiple merit hacks remain silent but the bosses that got promoted on their own should tell the truth and stand up for themselves.
Maybe they’re sticking together to send a message to the horrendous Sgt’s there.
Does he go over 15%???
Stay the course, prisoners of Stalag 17. And if they ask, remember, “you saw nothing...NOTHING!” .
I have never been more previously motivated to achieve rank then I am now after reading this post. Like I would ever let a bunch of old kiss ass dorks try to 'bully,' me lol, over ISRs.
"Lt., why doesn't your watch have any ISRs? I mean, are you a poor leader? (as the room of exempts guffaws amongst themselves, while wondering if the short bus, that they came to the meeting in, will have better heating once the clowm show is done)."
Here is just a quick list of acceptable, and sensitive retorts:
1) You guys do realize that McCarthy is gone right? You can all stop eating his ass.
2) 017 has always been a poor man's 016. No one told me I was responsible for whipping these goofs into shape.
3) I am sorry. I thought you guys would have learned after the contact cards fiasco that generating numbers was a bad idea. I forgot that most of you have an I.Q of 85.
4) If any one of you merit fools brings in ISRs, whatever the amount is that is acceptable for you to stop annoying for the period, then I would be more then happy to present the troops with the quota that you deem satisfactory.
5) My troops have handled a lot of calls for service. Which technically, is is the only thing outlined in their job description. Do you have that data to compare to their lack of activity? You don't? Then get back to me when you do. Oh, and you guys and gals still have some stuff dangling from your chin. You have my sympathies. I would never want to be a a Commander. Do you guys have much of a social life?
And this, folks, is the era of Rahm Emanuel. Shootouts at Water Tower, carjackings up 1600000000 percent t...yada yada yada.
Hope there aren’t any ISR’s next month either.
The problem is the segeants who tell the troops not to do ISR's. Yep,,, Sgt PE and CP (according to PO's). Or if you do, they give you shitand not approve it. I get it about proactive policing...but what about when you respond to calls and you have to stop a person to conduct a proper investigation? It is state law to complete an ISR. Are the officers just lazy? Are the sgt's telling them not to obey the law? Good luck asking for time due and expect the WOL to go over the 15%. What about the management people?
We've been doing more with less for 15 years now. We've been asking for help and it falls on deaf ears. Why should we do what you want, you won't open the district to bids period after period, year after year. It's a safety issue you won't address it so this has been our response. Take your ISR's and shove them where the sun don't shine. Why would anyone be stupid enough to write one of those anyway? Here's a copy of what you may determine at a later date to be a violation of some sort, done by MY OWN HAND, given to the ACLU, that same police hating, America loathing bunch of bigots, that have been upending criminal justice for decades now. Oh yes, I'll get right on it! Do you think I'm some sort of half wit? If I don't see any suspicious people during my watch, why would I do one of these and you've trained me to make sure I'm not looking any more. Proactive police work is hazardous to your career health. Here's your report, sir. The detectives will follow up on this matter. Off to the next job, that's been waiting for probably an hour now.
Thought the commander would be responsible for that, not the lieutenant I’m sure days writes some because they want to be on the 2nd watch for personal reasons and will do whatever it takes to stay there. Hang in there
, will be interesting to see the outcome. Once again the higher up you go, the less responsibility.
Called out for A&E: I always knew McCarthy
was an asshole. He couldn't even qualify as
a New York asshole.
Adult bullying, no manners, poor management skills.
And that's just the second string for COPA.
So.... go out and temporarily relieve somebody of their civil rights so you can generate an ISR documenting it that gets sent to the ACLU for legal review... all so some clouted bosses who got the answers don't get yelled at during the idiotic COMPSTAT meeting... really ???
017 3rd watch is correct.
Get Fucked!
The Lt. stammered, stuttered and committed the Mortal Sin of any Bureaucracy, by stating he was unaware of the zero ISR situation. So he was threatened, that he will be asked next meeting to explain the ISRs for his Watch.
The lieutenant's response seemed to work for crime boss daley and the current half pint dictator, it's one of the many cherished "Chicago values"
As as outsider, reading about this shows how bad CPD (and the City for that matter) is being managed.
"Get out there and WORK!!" would be what I would say - because the city is so crime-ridden. BUT, I understand why the police are NOT working and that is bad. VERY bad.
Leadership MUST have your back - especially in today's society.
Unfortunately in Chicago they don't and I understand the "Stay fetal" response. Add the "Amateur Hour" State's Attorney's office and clouted, lenient court judges and it just gets worse.
The problem is, someone who is looking at cutting the budget can look at this clear lack of productivity and ask, "Why are we paying all these people all this money?"
The next sentence is, "Why don't we just replace them in this shift?" Third-shift rent-a-cops are a lot cheaper than paying for "real cops".
"Maybe third-shift is really light and has no crime, we can cover it with a much cheaper force."
(the wrong conclusion, BUT you know the "intelligence level" with people at the top better than I do.)
It's a conclusion they can "justify" by the numbers they have in front of them.
Insane idea? Can't happen? Why not? It would NOT be the first stupid idea - and definitely not the last.
Hey boss, you have a career, we have a job.
We aren't going to prison for your next promotion.
Sounds more like doing something in 8 1/2 hrs
I just finished up my lawsuit in federal court. Shit bag lied. Jury awarded him $65,000 in compensatory damages. My partner and I got hit with $5000 each in punitives. FUCK THIS CITY AND DEPARTMENT. Protect yourselves and each other because it’s all we have out there.
We followed the law and department general orders and now I owe $5000 to a lying fucktard family. DO NOTHING!!!!!
They'll quickly fall into line once partners get split up, start times start swinging +/- 2 hours, compensatory time is routinely denied and daily stand-up roll calls - complete with weapon, uniform and grooming/appearance standards strictly enforced - are implemented.
What remains to be seen is whether Sue will be able to drop the hammer as described when encouraged/directed to do so. She's good people that'll go to the wall for her subordinates. Hopefully she hasn't developed a taste for the Fort Fellatio KoolAid.
Keep up the good work, 017. And be sure to diligently and extensively document anything even remotely construed as retaliation.
The officers in 17 need to come in with 0 ISR's and see what the department does. Then tell them to put it in writing how many ISR's each officer is to generate. Rahm and his lackeys, including Eddie brought this on themselves. The city and the liberals are just waiting for something to find wrong with the police. Be like a monkey; see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil.
Similar situation that happened in 015 3rd watch a few months ago...lt’s solution? Threaten the watch that if they didn’t bring in ISR’s those on beat car will be booted off them. If that still didn’t work, he said he was going to watch the pod cameras from the situation room and assign cars to go stop anyone he thought needed to be stopped...........
. Never happened....the young bucks immediately went running onto the streets stopping everyone
I'll just throw my two cents in here and say (hate to borrow words from Trump here)that it's disgraceful that the watch in 017 let their Lt. go to that meeting eith no ISRs whatsoever. To think, just a,few years ago we all used to look out for each other.
#017strong
Directing cops from a situation room?
Like with shotspotter?
Lmao, OK. We still havent seen, errr, heard, on even ONE crime solved as a result of that boondoggle.
So why would treating cops like deployed drones have any merit?
POs from the 003rd Dist. should jump on this. If your from 003 let's see if you guys have the balls.
Not gonna happen, not on 1st watch anyway. Too many suburbanites and wannabe tactical barbies playing police. Fresh off probation, writing warrants...and failing miserably. 2year otj KM, thinks she’s the greatest thing to happen to policing in the last decade just ask her. Her warrants are the equivalent of throwing shit against the wall and seeing what sticks. Coming up empty time after time, even after “flipping the arrestee”, and 3 wrong doors in 2 months. Luckily those residents didn’t go to the media...yet anyway. 003 is a shitshow and probably the home of the next generation of kiss ass bosses.
For many reasons that have been stated before and we all know, the 017th DISTRICT’s 3rd watch is doing the right thing.
More watches should follow their example and try the Zero Challenge.
Stay strong and do only what is required.
Oh yeah the good old "we have no quota" just as long as you get activity, but remember we have no quota. In 011 we get the same speech every night. Get me this, get me that if you want me to continue to manage the way I do, otherwise they'll take over and you guys will be out of luck. So continue to get those numbers boys and girls.
Real motivators in that place I tell ya. Got officers that been there for years done everything that was asked of them, gone above and beyond the call of duty but when it comes time to give them a chance to be on 06 team, naaahhh your not good enough. Gave me one day on it and booted me right off of it. Yet the PPO that just dropped their P, first night on the watch and boom here is 06 for you. Don't matter you can't do a simple paper just as long as you look good you'll have that spot. So why even bother with activity if you get rewarded on your looks.
Answer---Because the officers in 017 realize the futility of nonsense writing. Let that bounce around in their thick skills for a while.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
OT. Mayor Asshole and the city paid 16 million for a tennis center so inner city utes can get their game going. Meanwhile the Norwood Park field house looks like a condemned building.
Was Valeri the whipping boy at Compstat? I hope so!
You go 017 3rd watch...screw 35th st.
The Lt. should have gone into snowflake mode & responded with: "Your micro aggressions are making me feel threatened, I need to go to a safe space immediately"!
The better response if it's true that he is maxed out, is to walk out & retire immediately, life is too short to put up with that kind of treatment.
Let's make a deal. For every ISR I do, They get NOBLE to give me an answer on the next promotional exam!
I would never do one of those ISR’s. Those things look like an invitation for trouble. This job is so dead. Thank God I don’t work the street anymore. If you’re smart and have any kind of time on the job, you’d find yourself a nice inside spot and ride it into the sunset.
Ya know,the sergeants in 17 can write ISRs too if they see criminal activity. They still swore and oath to enforce the law. Lord knows they are not that busy. They can lead from the front!
It's funny how some Sgts are. You know the ones. ISRs were all BS when they were P.O.s but now they make rank and start start drinking the Kool Aid
Officers are chasing the radio the entire tour. When exactly are they supposed to look for someone ISR-worthy you jagoff, Nagode?
It also is true that the incompetent sergeants on the watch have warned officers NOT to bring in ISRs as they don’t want to have to sign them.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I just finished up my lawsuit in federal court. Shit bag lied. Jury awarded him $65,000 in compensatory damages. My partner and I got hit with $5000 each in punitives. FUCK THIS CITY AND DEPARTMENT. Protect yourselves and each other because it’s all we have out there.
We followed the law and department general orders and now I owe $5000 to a lying fucktard family. DO NOTHING!!!!!
3/04/2018 02:50:00 AM
That’s not as bad as the cops in 020. $126,000 in compensatory damages and 5 POs got $$425,000 in punitive.
great work!!
So.... go out and temporarily relieve somebody of their civil rights so you can generate an ISR documenting it that gets sent to the ACLU for legal review... all so some clouted bosses who got the answers don't get yelled at during the idiotic COMPSTAT meeting... really ???
017 3rd watch is correct.
Get Fucked!
THIS times 100.
Thats a watch for me. Must be the ex-013 guys. Outstanding work.
Pen, what pen. I can't find my pen. Oh well, maybe I will find it and I will write a few or maybe make up for it in the next day. Then again maybe not.
Hey boss, you have a career, we have a job.
We aren't going to prison for your next promotion.
3/04/2018 02:00:00 AM
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Best comment of the post!!!
Big changes coming Monday!
Who was playing McCarthy.? I’m betting someone who never passed a promotional exam.
If that still didn’t work, he said he was going to watch the pod cameras from the situation room and assign cars to go stop anyone he thought needed to be stopped...........
Oh please do that!! My first line of the narrative will be "RO was not on scene, but was ordered by supervisor so and so via pod camera that he or she observed this incident occur." Then I'll have a different supervisor approve it, so all three of us can get dragged into court.
Always said PO ‘s are all talk. FOP where are you? Our union is a joke, we can never stand together. Start calling out these commanders on this blog. And not just by their initials, spleel out their nsme .
ALL CALL: ALL Law Enforcement Districts
don't allow the commander and supervisory staff....
talk any officer into creating some ISRs!
some dummies are completing ISRs just to play favoritism but for the rest of US stand your ground Do Not Conduct Temporary Questioning about Past Present Future of Articulable Reasonable Suspicion of any crime of any person just to have your ISR review by the desk dollies ISR Integrity Unit and ACLU attorneys = COPA.....Stay Fetal.....85% is now recruiting part of the 15% = STAY FETAL policing!
I got hit with $5000 each in punitives....what are you complaining about just ask the sergeant and officers in district 020 they got hit with $100,000, $75,000, $50,000....you see that's what I'm talking about-bring me some ISRs!and make sure that Body Worn Camera is On!
Bring Insp K.A. Lumpee back to 17, He a real leader of P.O.s Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, Goofy, He can wear his cheap sunglasses.
It was Nagode who went on the rant. He’s toast. Here’s Escamilla’s chance to be deputy chief.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Similar situation that happened in 015 3rd watch a few months ago...lt’s solution? Threaten the watch that if they didn’t bring in ISR’s those on beat car will be booted off them. If that still didn’t work, he said he was going to watch the pod cameras from the situation room and assign cars to go stop anyone he thought needed to be stopped...........
. Never happened....the young bucks immediately went running onto the streets stopping everyone
3/04/2018 03:59:00 AM
That would be perfect. Order me to stop someone. Pop this in the narrative-"This report is being generated via direct order from LT. Nitwit,#00,who is not on scene."
Anyone having to deal with the obnoxious and uncouth moron Russian Lt should get battle pay. 0 people skills or common sense along with baggage shared to us by the old timers that would get him fired nowadays. He’s always telling us WHY we are wrong with EVERYTHING we do yet never a HOW he would do it different. Does anyone know his history that could enlighten us, where did he work before because he makes it sound like he was the real police, somehow I think he’s just a goofy bully afraid of his own shadow without an Lt bar to threaten you.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-discipline-dropped-chicago-cop-20180302-story.html
Anonymous said...
Does he go over 15%???
3/04/2018 12:35:00 AM
Every weekend. Eli was ok with it and only wanted a to/from for going over. Don't know what Moss's rules are.
Why didn’t the good Lieutenant simply ask, “and how many ISR’s would you like me to tell the troops to write for next period?” That would be pretty funny. I’ve never been to compstat but what a waste of time and resources. All those officers compiling stats instead of working a car especially when we’re so short handed is a crime. And screw all those over promoted meritorious exempts.
Isn't this exactly what the democrats and the ACLU wanted? Why explain delivering what's wanted? The prey, (working taxpayers) are leaving and what's left are arming up.
J.J.
017 is short on personnel . Many downed cars every watch . Huge safety issue - The rest are responding to calls. They can’t get time off. Fuck Comstat @ keep it up 017. The rest of the Department is behind you .
Baby "G" has shown That The Emperor is Naked! Rahm and his Elitist Backers at ACLU; many if not most of whom abandoned the "Shitty" long ago, consider Police to be Inferior Working Class Slobs. Remember, these Elitists have Law Degrees, which means they know Everything that is needed to be known for success! {We've never seen an attorney DUI, Domestic, or attorney Suicide; Right?} Rahm, with his Degree in Communications and Minor in Ballet, was backed off by the Elitists, and the fear of political death over McDonald, so he folded like a piece of paper to ACLU demands. Cops are not smart enough to have the Discretion and Authority that they once HAD. The Cameras and the ISRs would control these Neanderthals! But It Backfired and Gave Birth to The Fetal Movement. BY TAKING AWAY DISCRETION AND AUTHORITY FROM THEIR SUBORDINATES, THE MERIT GOLD STARS, HACKS, KISS ASSES AND 'KIDNEY BEAN' HIMSELF; "Relinquished" THEIR OWN AUTHORITY!So now Deputize the ACLU, and let them Police the streets and show us how to enforce the law. Let the ACLU join forces with the Do Good "Community Organizers" and Self-Serving Opportunistic Groups that have failed. After ripping off tens of millions of dollars and Strong Arming Corporations; what have these groups including Rainbow Push done to make their "Communities" Livable? Their Leadership, like the Jacksons became Millionaires, but there was no Trickle Down. Blacks are most frequently the Victims, and Offenders in this City's violence. And they are the largest group fleeing the City as well. Unfortunately they are not fleeing to Highland Park, Winnetka, and Wilmette; where the successful ACLU attorneys reside, because the Elitists would never put Affordable Housing where they live. Affordable Housing is for Working Class neighborhoods! Ultimately This is all about Class Warfare! The Elitists who ran the country and the Shitty know what is best for us. Working Class cops should not be left to police the Masses or make decisions for themselves. The Lil Guy on the 5th floor thinks he is one of those Elitists. Stay Safe, and just do your jobs (calls), nothing more. Baby "G"
Do the business and residents in 017 have to hire their own security force because the police they already pay for don’t do anything?
The entire Watch meaning the Beat car, correct?
Now this Lt. had to know this prior to going into Das KömpStät.
Or was he the sacrificial chumbalone?
Every supervisor knew there was and going to be a goose egg for the monthly report.
Suckered in and set up.
Stutter and stammering?
What ever happened to “we didn’t find anyone to the street to stop” for a quick reply.
Crime is down says Lo Energy Special Ed.
There’s no need to round up random usual suspects for a purpose of a show & tell contact card game show.
What would The COPRAh do?
Which bring me to wonder...does The COPRAh send a representative to these open meetings?
My guess the hammer will fall on the Beat car before the out another supervisor next month.
Stay Fetal
Please feel free to correct me on this but didn't the ACLU come up with these ISRs because we were violating everyone's rights? So we listened and do not violate rights. So how can we do an ISR if we are honoring what the ACLU wants? We are not just going up to people anymore. You know, police work.
3/4/2018 03:59am
If I was threatened with, "I will watch the pod and tell you who to stop." My response will be ok. When they tell me who to stop, the first line of my narrative will be. "I was ordered by (insert boss's name) to stop the above subject for (insert situation here). Make sure you save the report before approval so it can't disappear. Let's see how long that lasts.
Sgts should do the ISRs if they want them so bad. 017 is a retirement district.
2 things, how does a Lt not know the #s for his watch during the month and then before a meeting to discuss the #s. The Lt appears to be a lazy and unprepared. If he is, then the Lt should expect the same from the watch.
Secondly, how does a watch go without an ISR for a month, if it was a group action then it would explain it, although you can't get 4 guys to agree on lunch, how you get an entire watch to do it would be like herding cats. If it wasn't an organized action, just the typical lazy 017th district super cop, that speaks for itself. It is impossible not to do ISRs while doing your job, simply to CYA.
These bosses are the police too. They have a badge and gun too along with ticket books and a court key. They can go out and get their own activity.
“I just finished up my lawsuit in federal court. Shit bag lied. Jury awarded him $65,000 in compensatory damages. My partner and I got hit with $5000 each in punitives. FUCK THIS CITY AND DEPARTMENT. Protect yourselves and each other because it’s all we have out there.
We followed the law and department general orders and now I owe $5000 to a lying fucktard family. DO NOTHING!!!!
Go to the city attorney, tell them to communicate with the other party’s attorney and inform them that you will Not appeal IF they remove the punitive damages and vacate the judgement. This way the city still pays but you don’t grt hit with punitive damages and since judgment is vacated, you are not admitting guilt or guilty. If they say no , appeal it and they risk losing everything. So $65 k is better than zero. I think u have 30 days to appeal Good luck.
What’s going on with the 2 year wonder Comander’s kid in 011 1st Watch? No one wants to work with him so PPOs get stuck with him. He chased for traffic and there was a horrible crash. Stop chasing for traffic! See if daddy helps with the impending lawsuit.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Hey boss, you have a career, we have a job.
We aren't going to prison for your next promotion.
This is the perfect answer for any PO who is not career minded in this shithole of a job, believe me if it wasn't for the money and still pretty good benefits on this job compared to the public sector, I would off quit a long time ago. I got 5 more years to go and believe me I am not fetal but comatose, answer your jobs, back up your fellow officers and go home....fuck these bozos in white shirts and especially the suits in city hall.
Anonymous said...
The officers in 17 need to come in with 0 ISR's and see what the department does. Then tell them to put it in writing how many ISR's each officer is to generate. Rahm and his lackeys, including Eddie brought this on themselves. The city and the liberals are just waiting for something to find wrong with the police. Be like a monkey; see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil
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I would be careful with "making a statement" as so many say. Its a good idea Until the bosses, which has been done before, have the people at 35th start reviewing all events pulled for that watch. They then correlate those events with the officers who responded from PCAD. Then they review body cam from every event from that day and determine that at any point during any of those events and footage that an ISR should have been done. Then when it is determined that an ISR was not done when it should have been done as Illinos State Law now requires discipline will be instituted. You get caught up and you are now losing money, possibly a good amount of money for being stubborn. I hear what you guys are saying, but trust me a full scale revolt will be matched with the loss of time and money when they start doing this like they did in 002. 11 officers had to take time and lost pay when they did this.. it got straightened out real quick.
Anonymous said...
Similar situation that happened in 015 3rd watch a few months ago...lt’s solution? Threaten the watch that if they didn’t bring in ISR’s those on beat car will be booted off them. If that still didn’t work, he said he was going to watch the pod cameras from the situation room and assign cars to go stop anyone he thought needed to be stopped...........
. Never happened....the young bucks immediately went running onto the streets stopping everyone
Ever heard of putting that on your ISR narrative, that you're BOZO the clown white shirt ordered you to stop person in question while watching the pod cameras from the situation room and assign a car/s to go stop anyone he/she thought needed to be stopped.......hello stop being scared of these fucken bullies in white, you all sound like children, grow a pair and tell that white shirt intelligently. "Hey boss, you have a career, I have a job. I am not going to prison for your next promotion..... guarantee you boys and girls when the ACLU gets this shit in writing, they will have a field day with this.
Wasn't a wear of a problem? I would have said you try to make them do it! Good luck!
This is my lieutenant 's stars have little ball on them.
Stopping people for no reason will get you fired and lose your house.
They call them Stalag 017 for a reason! God bless them! You are my heroes!
We followed the law and department general orders and now I owe $5000 to a lying fucktard family. DO NOTHING!!!!!
Jury doesn't have to follow the law and the judge doesn't have to make them follow the law
Did the Lt. & Sgt.’s assigned to 17 on3rd watch complete any ISR’s ?
They are the Police , lead by example , ride with us in a beat car , show us how it’s done . Puddles
I got an idea. Have the University of Chicago Crime Lab. Bwahhhhhh hahhhh hahhhh hahhhhh make em do some.
Seems be a common occurrence, "bring in more ISR's", ..."So Let me get this straight, you saw this individual that fit the description of an offender that just robbed at a MetroPCS store walking down the street 2 blocks away, approximately 10 min after the call came out... You got nothing, no reasonable suspicion or Probable cause for the stop"
So, if I was copa or ACLU I would review camera footage from 015 3rd watch and find reason to fire and or imprison as many police officers as possible.
Thanks boss.
Anonymous outside lookin' in said...
As as outsider, reading about this shows how bad CPD (and the City for that matter) is being managed.
"Get out there and WORK!!" would be what I would say - because the city is so crime-ridden. BUT, I understand why the police are NOT working and that is bad. VERY bad.
Leadership MUST have your back - especially in today's society.
Unfortunately in Chicago they don't and I understand the "Stay fetal" response. Add the "Amateur Hour" State's Attorney's office and clouted, lenient court judges and it just gets worse.
The problem is, someone who is looking at cutting the budget can look at this clear lack of productivity and ask, "Why are we paying all these people all this money?"
The next sentence is, "Why don't we just replace them in this shift?" Third-shift rent-a-cops are a lot cheaper than paying for "real cops".
"Maybe third-shift is really light and has no crime, we can cover it with a much cheaper force."
(the wrong conclusion, BUT you know the "intelligence level" with people at the top better than I do.)
It's a conclusion they can "justify" by the numbers they have in front of them.
Insane idea? Can't happen? Why not? It would NOT be the first stupid idea - and definitely not the last.
3/04/2018 01:52:00 AM
I see you did not think this through, how about all the problems that will occur when these so called security guard use force to affect the arrest, what will restrict them, will they be charged with a crime? The idea of cheaper means less qualitied people who will cost the city more money in the long run and create more problem for the police. The citizens will only see a uniform and will not tell the different between the real police and a security guard when they clam police did them wrong or a witness said the police did it. Bad idea
What can they do if no one is doing any ISR’s. We’re all gonna be doing 9 for 9 soon. Swiping is coming to a district near you!
Anything ever happen to the Commander of 025 with his traffic stop quota?
FYI,
A municipality may not, for purposes of evaluating a police officer's job performance, compare the number of citations issued by the police officer to the number of citations issued by any other police officer who has similar job duties. Nothing in this Section shall prohibit a municipality from evaluating a police officer based on the police officer's points of contact. For the purposes of this Section, "points of contact" means any quantifiable contact made in the furtherance of the police officer's duties, including, but not limited to, the number of traffic stops completed, arrests, written warnings, and crime prevention measures. Points of contact shall not include either the issuance of citations or the number of citations issued by a police officer.
I have been around 017th Dist. Coppers especially on 3rd watch to know that this is not a show of unity but more lack of general knowledge from both P.O s and Supervisors alike. Not knocking the few good men/women in the mist of bad. Stay motivated my friends. Unity on this job is dead.
So this just in! In the 019 District everyone has to swipe in and out but guess who doesn't? That would be the people assigned to the mayor's house! Where's the transparency Rahm? How about you Buslic? You think the activity for 019 was bad already, we are going to make 017 look like champs! You can't pick and choose who is going to swipe. It's everyone or nobody!
If that still didn’t work, he said he was going to watch the pod cameras from the situation room and assign cars to go stop anyone he thought needed to be stopped...........
I'd love for some Bosshole to try and pull that shit with me. There are several ways to respond, just some of those being:
- ISRs would be written with the disclaimer "R/O did NOT personally observe the action(s) which purportedly led to the RAS for this contact. Sergeant/Lieutenant/Captain/Commander _________________ ordered R/O to conduct this stop after claiming to personally witness the RAS via POD camera".
- ^^ Same narrative ^^ to begin any Vice/GOCR and arrest reports in the event a physical arrest absolutely had to be executed. Same Bosshole also gets put in Box #1 on the arrest report. Don't like it? Have the WOL RWOC the prick. Direct order to remove them from Box #1? Ok, Box #2 it is. Direct order again? Okey-dokey, "Witness" and/or "Person Reporting Offense" it is. Direct order at this point? REFUSE IT as it would be unlawful to not list them.
- Any/all I had contact with by the order of the Bosshole would be provided with the name and star number of said Bosshole, the direct lines to COPA and the DOJ along with explicit directions on how to go about making a formal complaint. I'd further inform them that the Bosshole has deep pockets.
Retaliation of some sort would probably be a given. But knowing how stupid the majority of today's merit puke supervisors are, they'd quickly paint themselves into a corner. Just be prepared to weather the storm while they fuck with you, document everything and consult with an attorney. Don't give them any ammunition to legitimately jam you up (uniform infractions, late for work, congregating or more than 30 minutes at lunch, riding out jobs, etcetera).
I GUARANTEE this shit will come to a screeching halt as soon as some Bossholes find themselves as defendants in civil rights violations suits.
I find this hard to believe. There's always some kids on management that'll do anything to stay off midnights.
Stay strong 017!
The problem with doing ZERO ISR's as a statement is that you better be justified in doing ZERO ISR's. I get the not wanting to do proactive work concept. I just find it hard to believe that for that time period, nobody responded to a call that merited one. With body worn cameras, this is an easy "fix". Everything we do is recorded now and can be reviewed. I would expect there to be an audit of all recordings and in any instance that they feel required an ISR they can address it as a transgression and move forward from there. If the pattern continues, the punishments can escalate as well.
If you are going to push, just be ready for the push back. And do not shoot yourself in the foot by not doing one when you should. Documenting why you did not take further action is often times as important as why you did.
POs from the 003rd Dist. should jump on this. If your from 003 let's see if you guys have the balls
Never happen most are without balls and are obsessed with wearing blue jeans.
Keep up the good work, 017. And be sure to diligently and extensively document anything even remotely construed as retaliation.
3/04/2018 03:09:00 AM
there is little that you can do if this happens. Pretty hard to prove
That’s a lie They did 2
The mayor and the aldermen (except Napliatano and Sposato) should be held to the same ridicule. Al those slugs do is waste tax dollars. ♠️
017..Laurino's ward. Daddy...daughter. No show jobs. District loaded with people beholden to the Family. Any decent copper who wound up there ....left. Since 1984 (when I was there) 3rd Watch was mostly dogs. High taxes in Old Irving Park. Lotta shit near Central Park/Lawrence and east of there. Black Hole of Law Enforcement! Good Luck Commander.
I'll just throw my two cents in here and say (hate to borrow words from Trump here)that it's disgraceful that the watch in 017 let their Lt. go to that meeting eith no ISRs whatsoever. To think, just a,few years ago we all used to look out for each other.
Am sorry your Boss got pie in the face, But doing BS BLM ISR for there stats against the police. Fuck him
It's very simple. Don't stop anyone. Like my dad told me years ago.
Big cases, big problems.
Little cases, little problems.
No cases, no problems.
You don't stop anyone, you've got no cases.
Problem solved!
Anonymous said...
I'll just throw my two cents in here and say (hate to borrow words from Trump here)that it's disgraceful that the watch in 017 let their Lt. go to that meeting eith no ISRs whatsoever. To think, just a,few years ago we all used to look out for each other.
3/04/2018 04:40:00 AM
Just goes to show that even with some time on job, some cops such as yourself, are stupid. Yeah, even though our district is dangerously understaffed, and this department is being ruined by moronic brass, let's still bring in ISRs because our Lt is a good guy. It's that type of stupid thinking that has gotten us in this state of affairs to begin with.
Anonymous said...
We followed the law and department general orders and now I owe $5000 to a lying fucktard family. DO NOTHING!!!!!
Jury doesn't have to follow the law and the judge doesn't have to make them follow the law
3/04/2018 11:40:00 AM
Never has a truer statement been made. The States Attorney Office does not follow the law (See the retail theft code and Agg Battery statutes) The Judges do not have to follow the law. (See one bag/rock is not enough for my courtroom) and the defense never has to follow the law. The only ones who are held accountable is us, the POLICE!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
“I just finished up my lawsuit in federal court. Shit bag lied. Jury awarded him $65,000 in compensatory damages. My partner and I got hit with $5000 each in punitives. FUCK THIS CITY AND DEPARTMENT. Protect yourselves and each other because it’s all we have out there.
We followed the law and department general orders and now I owe $5000 to a lying fucktard family. DO NOTHING!!!!
Go to the city attorney, tell them to communicate with the other party’s attorney and inform them that you will Not appeal IF they remove the punitive damages and vacate the judgement. This way the city still pays but you don’t grt hit with punitive damages and since judgment is vacated, you are not admitting guilt or guilty. If they say no , appeal it and they risk losing everything. So $65 k is better than zero. I think u have 30 days to appeal Good luck.
3/04/2018 10:45:00 AM
Problem with that is the City has to find grounds for appeal and be willing to appeal. If not, you're out of luck.
Stay Fetal. Stay employed. ISR's are a trickbag - don't step in it.
When the ISR's go away, then maybe we can get back to work... until then, fuck it.
Fuck their McCompStat quotas.
There’s not a whole lot they can do to you to force you to do their dirty work.
Whenever possible get some kind of recording of the demands for “quotas” being given.
Anonymous said...
Did the Lt. & Sgt.’s assigned to 17 on3rd watch complete any ISR’s ?
They are the Police , lead by example , ride with us in a beat car , show us how it’s done . Puddles
3/04/2018 11:58:00 AM
Exactly! This is where a good lawyer comes in if there were ever action taken. The Sgt’s “supposedly” are on the same streets patrolling just as the POs are for 8.5 hrs every day, right? Even the Lt. is out there at times. So, they should have some ISRs too right? With the brasses thinking, it’s impossible for someone on the streets to have ZERO ISRs for the month, right? How many ISRs did each supervisor have for 2017? Could the number be Zero for an entire year? No way, right? So are supervisors ignoring “reasonable suspicion? Or are they going by the law and GO regarding stops that POs are required to do? Or is it the fact that there really isn’t as many suspicious people everywhere like they wanted under the old contact card demands in the past, that got us the ACLU agreement? Just a thought. Be safe.
I like the rent a cop idea but why limit to third shift. with 1st bad 2nd shifts Feel why not replace them too. Certainly the Detectives could be replaced as well, with the 15% homicide rate rentals might do better. At least city would be saving money, maybe enough to pay off any ghetto lottery suits that would surely be filed.
"I would expect there to be an audit of all recordings and in any instance that they feel required an ISR they can address it as a transgression and move forward from there. If the pattern continues, the punishments can escalate as well."
Ain't gonna happen. They can't justify the expense associated with reviewing all that footage. And orchestrating such an attempt is beyond both their intelligence and motivational levels. They might try and rattle the cage with empty threats that this is what they'll do to get the fellas in line, but don't fall for their bullshit. Call their bluff and double down this month.
And...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Keep up the good work, 017. And be sure to diligently and extensively document anything even remotely construed as retaliation.
3/04/2018 03:09:00 AM
there is little that you can do if this happens. Pretty hard to prove
3/04/2018 02:49:00 PM
Wrong.
It's very easy to prove retaliation. When you're made to particlpate in 'counseling sessions', reprimanded, SPAR'd and/or ridiculed/called-out/made an example of for something while others "guilty" of the same infraction(s) are not, it's quite easy to show patterns of maliciousness. Trust me, I've beat more than a handful of Bossholes at this game over the years.
I've gone so far as to demand a sergeant obtain a CR on me when he thought it was a good idea to openly blame and berate me for something I had nothing to do with. When he wouldn't, instead narrating his suspicions/observations on his supervisor log and "verbally admonishing" me (which doesn't mean SHIT in the big picture) he knew his ass was checked. I'd occasionally ask if he'd initiated the log number yet when he'd conclude rollcall with "anybody have anything?"
Moral of the story? Don't be afraid to open your mouth and say and do what needs to be done at certain times. Trust me when I say 90% of our supervisors are spineless pussies that are all bark and no bite. They'll back down when properly checked. The other 5% are smart enough to know when to leave things alone and pick and choose their battles wisely. They know this particular battle is a loser for them.
Stay safe, all.
I was there in 1984, also… those 'dogs' as you call them, were a great bunch of guys and gals…Capt. Eli B. was a huge stroke. Do any readers remember him? Seems like yesterday, I kind of miss those days, but not enough to come back to Rham's Chicago. That place is done, I'm afraid.
Per orders of....are magic words that often make bosses disappear.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The problem is the segeants who tell the troops not to do ISR's. Yep,,, Sgt PE and CP (according to PO's). Or if you do, they give you shitand not approve it. I get it about proactive policing...but what about when you respond to calls and you have to stop a person to conduct a proper investigation? It is state law to complete an ISR. Are the officers just lazy? Are the sgt's telling them not to obey the law? Good luck asking for time due and expect the WOL to go over the 15%. What about the management people?
3/04/2018 01:15:00 AM
Hey numbnuts. It is certainly NOT state law to write ISRs. Educate yourself. The ISR was created by the ACLU in an agreement with our dept as a way of documenting stops. The form is automatically overseen with fine tooth comb by anti police lawyers hell bent on finding anything they deem inconsistent so they can pounce on your ass. It is our dept policy to write them, NOT state law. Other depts use a much simpler form to document their stops similar to our old contact card. Also nice way of mentioning the Sgt’s and throwing them under the bus for simply wanting to protect their troops. Sounds like you’re real popular at the station a real Kool Aide drinking ball polisher.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
017..Laurino's ward. Daddy...daughter. No show jobs. District loaded with people beholden to the Family. Any decent copper who wound up there ....left. Since 1984 (when I was there) 3rd Watch was mostly dogs. High taxes in Old Irving Park. Lotta shit near Central Park/Lawrence and east of there. Black Hole of Law Enforcement! Good Luck Commander.
3/04/2018 04:42:00 PM
1984?? Really Old Timer?!? You know nothing about 017. #017staystrong
utside lookin' in said...
As as outsider, reading about this shows how bad CPD (and the City for that matter) is being managed.
"Get out there and WORK!!" would be what I would say - because the city is so crime-ridden. BUT, I understand why the police are NOT working and that is bad. VERY bad.
Leadership MUST have your back - especially in today's society.
Unfortunately in Chicago they don't and I understand the "Stay fetal" response. Add the "Amateur Hour" State's Attorney's office and clouted, lenient court judges and it just gets worse.
The problem is, someone who is looking at cutting the budget can look at this clear lack of productivity and ask, "Why are we paying all these people all this money?"
The next sentence is, "Why don't we just replace them in this shift?" Third-shift rent-a-cops are a lot cheaper than paying for "real cops".
"Maybe third-shift is really light and has no crime, we can cover it with a much cheaper force."
(the wrong conclusion, BUT you know the "intelligence level" with people at the top better than I do.)
It's a conclusion they can "justify" by the numbers they have in front of them.
Insane idea? Can't happen? Why not? It would NOT be the first stupid idea - and definitely not the last.
3/04/2018 01:52:00 AM
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Since you’re an outsider and possibly a civilian I’ll be gentle with ya. K? First of all. Let’s get one thing straight: just because the police aren’t stopping people and writing ISRs doesn’t mean they’re sitting on their ass not doing jack shit ok. When you dail 911 because some jag off is trying to break down your door who the hell do you think is showing up to protect you? Not to mention the scores of domestic and disturbance calls and other shit we have to deal with on a daily basis. The police are busy especially when they work in busy or undermanned districts. Secondly: This isn’t the first time we’ve heard the corporate privatized argument for police. What baffles us is the continuing stupidity that there are some people that think that it would actually work. Did you like the way the O’Hare airport security ‘police’ roughed up and dragged that doctor out of his paid for seat on that United flight?? Because if you thought that was ok policing then private security is for you. Cause that’s the kinda shit rent a cop privatized forces do. Knuckle headed no real knowledge of the law wannabe police stuff. So Good luck with that.
Anonymous said can't Lt. One Punch Harry Smith Straighten things out in 017 ?
Off topic anyone know whats up with the dispatcher on midnights from 016/017 she is brutal. She talks down to all coppers and supervisors
If you call her she responds with attitude . And she will clear you from ur job before you ate even done with it. Its bad enough we have to battle with joe citizen but to have to get attitude from a dispatcher is terrible
Ballerina stands in back of special ed. Both bragging new technology to run license plates to catch auto thieves , car jackets. Hello how’s the no chase policy working
Shot spotter. Any case reports written , cartridge cases recovered
Maybe when some poor kid is murdered
Shot spotter all BS. Why no shot spotter in Jefferson Park
White lives matter , no safe passage in Jefferson Park
White votes will matter and it is any putt but 9.5
So this just in! In the 019 District everyone has to swipe in and out but guess who doesn't? That would be the people assigned to the mayor's house! Where's the transparency Rahm? How about you Buslic? You think the activity for 019 was bad already, we are going to make 017 look like champs! You can't pick and choose who is going to swipe. It's everyone or nobody!
Buslik is close to mandatory retirement, Francis...do you really think he gives a flying phuck about your lack of activity at this point in his career? Now go back to your mommy's basement and wait for her to call down to you for breakfast in the morning.
Asshat.
“I just finished up my lawsuit in federal court. Shit bag lied. Jury awarded him $65,000 in compensatory damages. My partner and I got hit with $5000 each in punitives. FUCK THIS CITY AND DEPARTMENT. Protect yourselves and each other because it’s all we have out there.
We followed the law and department general orders and now I owe $5000 to a lying fucktard family. DO NOTHING!!!!
I hate to go there on you office, but there's a big part of the story being left out here. Lots of us have been sued over the years, and I don't know anyone who has been found liable for punitive damages out of their own pocket. So what's not being told? If you aren't going to tell the whole story here (and I don't blame you for not doing that), then why post anything about your civil suit? It shouldn't be too hard to find the details and post them here. Anyone?
I got hit with $5000 each in punitives....what are you complaining about just ask the sergeant and officers in district 020 they got hit with $100,000, $75,000, $50,000....you see that's what I'm talking about-bring me some ISRs!and make sure that Body Worn Camera is On!
If I remember correctly the cops in 020 made entry into a locked apartment with a key from maintenance man without a search warrant to make entry and then made an arrest in a residence without an arrest warrant. If that is true they broke the law twice and the fine is negligible. They should have stayed in the car and done paper.
Anonymous said -
I see you did not think this through, how about all the problems that will occur when these so called security guard use force to affect the arrest, what will restrict them, will they be charged with a crime? The idea of cheaper means less qualified people...
EXACTLY MY POINT- It is NOT thought through!
Read what I ended with --
Insane idea? Can't happen? Why not? It would NOT be the first stupid idea - and definitely not the last.
Riddle me this, Batman - How many directives of the CPD HAVE been thought through lately?!?!?!?!
I just finished up my lawsuit in federal court. Shit bag lied. Jury awarded him $65,000 in compensatory damages. My partner and I got hit with $5000 each in punitives. FUCK THIS CITY AND DEPARTMENT. Protect yourselves and each other because it’s all we have out there.
We followed the law and department general orders and now I owe $5000 to a lying fucktard family. DO NOTHING!!!!!
That sounds like an IOD to me. Get that money back brotha
Yeah they put on the spot who they want too but they also know how to pick their battles.
I see Lt Senira Ben made her way over to 6 Tact Lieutenant with Commander BB who’s clinging on the Wallets Nutts. This is the same Sergeant that got caught cheating in grad school and got kicked out but her clout got her back in. She’s still dumb as a box of rocks and will use you to get to where she wants to be
I still can't believe people still sign up for this job.
Why would anyone want to be a cop today? Yet they still line up for the job. Could it be for the pay and bennies that go with the job? If that is the reason is asking for ISR's to much to ask? Surely finding a ligament reason to stop someone can't be that hard. You guys are the Police start acting like it....
“Off topic anyone know whats up with the dispatcher on midnights from 016/017 she is brutal. She talks down to all coppers and supervisors
If you call her she responds with attitude . And she will clear you from ur job before you ate even done with it. Its bad enough we have to battle with joe citizen but to have to get attitude from a dispatcher is terrible”
Yeah, she is fucking terrible. It makes this shitty job even worse.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I still can't believe people still sign up for this job.
3/05/2018 02:34:00 AM
People will always sign up for this job. The benefits and pay will continue to draw plenty of applicants. Many will be applicants who are unemployed , haven’t been able to do well in their field and really don’t want to be the police but it’s better than their current job
Plus they have no idea what the job was. When I came on I was warned by all the old timers that the job was going to hell and I’d never make 5 years under the current and future conditions. Guess what I did and heard the same comments made to all the new hires. You don’t miss something if you never had it
Anonymous Anonymous said...
“I just finished up my lawsuit in federal court. Shit bag lied. Jury awarded him $65,000 in compensatory damages. My partner and I got hit with $5000 each in punitives. FUCK THIS CITY AND DEPARTMENT. Protect yourselves and each other because it’s all we have out there.
We followed the law and department general orders and now I owe $5000 to a lying fucktard family. DO NOTHING!!!!
I hate to go there on you office, but there's a big part of the story being left out here. Lots of us have been sued over the years, and I don't know anyone who has been found liable for punitive damages out of their own pocket. So what's not being told? If you aren't going to tell the whole story here (and I don't blame you for not doing that), then why post anything about your civil suit? It shouldn't be too hard to find the details and post them here. Anyone?
I too don’t know all the details, but I can tell you in recent years police officers have been found liable for punitive damages. It’s happening more and more. Its a way to punish the individual offer and hold him personally responsible instead of having the city pay everything. Because it’s punitive it is a form of punishment and the individual officer is responsible and no one else’s can pay
Anonymous said...
OT. Mayor Asshole and the city paid 16 million for a tennis center so inner city utes can get their game going. Meanwhile the Norwood Park field house looks like a condemned building.
3/04/2018 06:29:00 AM
I wonder who has the contract for free equipment and size 20 ladies tennis wear ?
“I just finished up my lawsuit in federal court. Shit bag lied. Jury awarded him $65,000 in compensatory damages. My partner and I got hit with $5000 each in punitives. FUCK THIS CITY AND DEPARTMENT. Protect yourselves and each other because it’s all we have out there.
We followed the law and department general orders and now I owe $5000 to a lying fucktard family. DO NOTHING!!!!
I hate to go there on you office, but there's a big part of the story being left out here. Lots of us have been sued over the years, and I don't know anyone who has been found liable for punitive damages out of their own pocket. So what's not being told? If you aren't going to tell the whole story here (and I don't blame you for not doing that), then why post anything about your civil suit? It shouldn't be too hard to find the details and post them here. Anyone?
Punitive Damages
Monetary compensation awarded to an injured party that goes beyond that which is necessary to compensate the individual for losses and that is intended to punish the wrongdoer.
Punitive damages, also known as exemplary damages, may be awarded by the trier of fact (a jury or a judge, if a jury trial was waived) in addition to actual damages, which compensate a plaintiff for the losses suffered due to the harm caused by the defendant. Punitive damages are a way of punishing the defendant in a civil lawsuit and are based on the theory that the interests of society and the individual harmed can be met by imposing additional damages on the defendant
Anonymous Anonymous said...
So this just in! In the 019 District everyone has to swipe in and out but guess who doesn't? That would be the people assigned to the mayor's house! Where's the transparency Rahm? How about you Buslic? You think the activity for 019 was bad already, we are going to make 017 look like champs! You can't pick and choose who is going to swipe. It's everyone or nobody!
Yes you can. What part of pilot program don’t you under stand? It’s done on all programs before they roll out to all the district. Happened for the cameras.
3/04/2018 10:54:00 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Off topic anyone know whats up with the dispatcher on midnights from 016/017 she is brutal. She talks down to all coppers and supervisors
If you call her she responds with attitude . And she will clear you from ur job before you ate even done with it. Its bad enough we have to battle with joe citizen but to have to get attitude from a dispatcher is terrible
3/04/2018 11:18:00 PM
That’s what supervisors are for. As a P.O. you aren’t going to change anything or her. Have the supervisor take care of it but I don’t think that will work if as you say she talks that way to the sgt. If I were they sgt she would talk to me that way once and only once before the situation would be rectified. If he gets nowhere he should talk to the DC
Anonymous Anonymous said...
So this just in! In the 019 District everyone has to swipe in and out but guess who doesn't? That would be the people assigned to the mayor's house! Where's the transparency Rahm? How about you Buslic? You think the activity for 019 was bad already, we are going to make 017 look like champs! You can't pick and choose who is going to swipe. It's everyone or nobody!
Buslik is close to mandatory retirement, Francis...do you really think he gives a flying phuck about your lack of activity at this point in his career? Now go back to your mommy's basement and wait for her to call down to you for breakfast in the morning.
Asshat.
Being close to retirement age has nothing to do with it. Buskin will act the same as he always has Nobody changes just because they are close to retirement. Old habits are hard to break and zebras don’t change their stripes
I have worked for many bosses and the good ones were good until the day they retired and the assholes were assholes until the day they retired
papa smurf has risen from the ashes for this post--- so lt joe got shish kabobed at the compscam meeting by desk bunny deputy chief shaky jake--- he treated lt joe like he was a turkey in a 500 degree oven for 10 hours that was massaged with gasoline--- I guarantee you that none of the officers on third watch knew no isr's were generated last month--- this was definitely not some kind of job action--- most probably could give 2 shits either because in 017 on afternoons you chase jobs all night long because their is no manpower--- lt joe has always been good to the people who work for him and he is well liked--- the deputy owes joe an apology for treating him like he was a piece of gum on the bottom of his shoe....
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Off topic anyone know whats up with the dispatcher on midnights from 016/017 she is brutal. She talks down to all coppers and supervisors
If you call her she responds with attitude . And she will clear you from ur job before you ate even done with it. Its bad enough we have to battle with joe citizen but to have to get attitude from a dispatcher is terrible
3/04/2018 11:18:00 PM
Are they moving dispatchers around? We've had a few lately in 012/014 who didn't know the streets. We have a dispatcher like the one you describe. Acts like we work for her personally.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The problem is the segeants who tell the troops not to do ISR's. Yep,,, Sgt PE and CP (according to PO's). Or if you do, they give you shitand not approve it. I get it about proactive policing...but what about when you respond to calls and you have to stop a person to conduct a proper investigation? It is state law to complete an ISR. Are the officers just lazy? Are the sgt's telling them not to obey the law? Good luck asking for time due and expect the WOL to go over the 15%. What about the management people?
3/04/2018 01:15:00 AM
Hey numbnuts. It is certainly NOT state law to write ISRs. Educate yourself. The ISR was created by the ACLU in an agreement with our dept as a way of documenting stops. The form is automatically overseen with fine tooth comb by anti police lawyers hell bent on finding anything they deem inconsistent so they can pounce on your ass. It is our dept policy to write them, NOT state law. Other depts use a much simpler form to document their stops similar to our old contact card. Also nice way of mentioning the Sgt’s and throwing them under the bus for simply wanting to protect their troops. Sounds like you’re real popular at the station a real Kool Aide drinking ball polisher.
3/04/2018 09:00:00 PM
You obviously don't work in 017. Those sgts aren't trying to "protect their troops." They are protecting their own asses.
There in 1994?
Still a rookie.
Activity
Activity
It's what the bosses want as we all see
If none then there will soon be pee
As they wet their panties......
To the boys and girls in 019.
It's a pilot program-- this is the first move in the effort to see if this swiping thing can work outside of an administrative environment. It's up to you guys now to clearly show them it won't. This swiping is not tied to timekeeping or payroll at all, this is stritly a message. They are flexing and they want to crack down on any perk you may have. Keep in mind when you swipe all they want is for you to proive to them your at work on time and your leavig on time too and so they can scrutinize every minute of your overtime. You have a few options. First-dont damage the machine, pinhole cameras are real. If your ID card doesn't seem to work slide it up and down a few times to make sure it records your compliance. Unfortunately, that sometimes swipes you in and out at the same time because it's your first and second swipe; one of thepitfalls of their system. Also, there is a 7 minute swipe window, 7 minutes before and after your designated start time. As long as you have to be there until 7 minutes before you can swipe out, you might as well bring in that TVB you find on your way in, and submit the bill to your employer for cash. The increase of overtime may be an awakening.
numbnuts..... problem supervisors should be outed... If you only knew these clowns
That’s not what happened in 015 at all....not even close. Nobody got threatened. Whoever said that is on some b.s. and they know it. LT takes care of the watch and supports his troops 100%
Well boss, because ISR’s aren’t policing or police tools. They are fodder for the ACLU to make us look bad or worse—nothing more. They can only hurt us. Any PO that does ISR’s with regularity is just providing COPA with a larger body of work to find something wrong with you. They don’t have to be perfect, but we do.
Anonymous To the coppers in 019 said...
To the boys and girls in 019.
It's a pilot program-- this is the first move in the effort to see if this swiping thing can work outside of an administrative environment. It's up to you guys now to clearly show them it won't. This swiping is not tied to timekeeping or payroll at all, this is stritly a message. They are flexing and they want to crack down on any perk you may have. Keep in mind when you swipe all they want is for you to proive to them your at work on time and your leavig on time too and so they can scrutinize every minute of your overtime. You have a few options. First-dont damage the machine, pinhole cameras are real. If your ID card doesn't seem to work slide it up and down a few times to make sure it records your compliance. Unfortunately, that sometimes swipes you in and out at the same time because it's your first and second swipe; one of thepitfalls of their system. Also, there is a 7 minute swipe window, 7 minutes before and after your designated start time. As long as you have to be there until 7 minutes before you can swipe out, you might as well bring in that TVB you find on your way in, and submit the bill to your employer for cash. The increase of overtime may be an awakening.
You are a complete idiot make the tactical bluejean officers work full tours. Compostos team would work 4 hour days!!! In my book that’s stealing. I have worked in 019 for 3 years and havent seen so many new faces since we started swiping including the office people. Like body cameras. Accountability is a good thing!!
Numbnuts? There is no need for name calling, is there Mr. Poopy Pants?
Name the movie!
Anonymous To the coppers in 019 said...
To the boys and girls in 019.
It's a pilot program-- this is the first move in the effort to see if this swiping thing can work outside of an administrative environment.
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This is phase 2 of the pilot program. If you read the directive, the people who are required to swipe are those identified to do so by the commander.
Moss should give up her command spot like the former Commander of 004. She doesn't need the aggravation after having 30 years on the job. Makes no sense to stay for the ridicule and the humiliation of compstat. Get out while the going is good and before the demands of the department drive you out.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
“I just finished up my lawsuit in federal court. Shit bag lied. Jury awarded him $65,000 in compensatory damages. My partner and I got hit with $5000 each in punitives. FUCK THIS CITY AND DEPARTMENT. Protect yourselves and each other because it’s all we have out there.
We followed the law and department general orders and now I owe $5000 to a lying fucktard family. DO NOTHING!!!!
I hate to go there on you office, but there's a big part of the story being left out here. Lots of us have been sued over the years, and I don't know anyone who has been found liable for punitive damages out of their own pocket. So what's not being told? If you aren't going to tell the whole story here (and I don't blame you for not doing that), then why post anything about your civil suit? It shouldn't be too hard to find the details and post them here. Anyone?
I too don’t know all the details, but I can tell you in recent years police officers have been found liable for punitive damages. It’s happening more and more. Its a way to punish the individual offer and hold him personally responsible instead of having the city pay everything. Because it’s punitive it is a form of punishment and the individual officer is responsible and no one else’s can pay
I still say there are parts of this civil suit that someone has conveniently left out from their original post. There are reasons listed when a jury decides to award punitive damages. Clearly, the original poster isn't or won't say. If he's going to cry about it here, he should tell the whole story, not part of it. Sometimes, we fuck things up too, and the law makes us pay. Everyone isn't willing to just look the other way when proof exists that we have conducted ourselves as less than professional. Never lose sight of that.
Officers are also now suing persons for filing false claims/accusations against them. The system works both ways.
POs from the 003rd Dist. should jump on this. If your from 003 let's see if you guys have the balls.
We like our commander in 003 just fine, thanks. She doesn't bother us, and we don't make her look bad. Things are good here, for now.
This is phase 2 of the pilot program. If you read the directive, the people who are required to swipe are those identified to do so by the commander.
3/06/2018 11:31:00 AM
So once again the front office, CAPS and other house mice don’t have to swipe. Commander can exempt them. Unbelieveable
Al must think its still 1987. He thinks we can still stop people anytime we want. "Now go get that shine box".
"""" Anonymous said...
It was Nagode who went on the rant. He’s toast. Here’s Escamilla’s chance to be deputy chief.
3/04/2018 08:34:00 AM""""
TRUE!! judges DO NOT have to follow law or common sense, o had an excessive force lawsuit in years ago where I justifiably "Beat" some drug dealing shitheads who attacked me and my partner, ON the offenders mama's video, NOTHING wrong, illegal or against department policy was on the bad guys footage, NOTHING. The judge DID NOT allow our use of force policy to be entered as evidence, thus jury thought we were excessive, still had we're awarded punitive from both of us. Begged corp counsel to settle, the shithead police suing attornies did a better job at lying than we did at telling the truth. To all you goofs saying there is more....piss off!! There is. Not, did NOTHING wrong, not ONE allegation was on video.Judges and juries do WHATEVER they want. Forget these bosses who are insulated inside their offices. Good guys or not they will not pay your monetary losses or do prison time for you, talk is cheap. That being said, lt.JP is a great guy and always has been, nothing bad to ever say about him, but the days of you being ok if you do everything right are long gone. The less human contact you have, the better. On or off duty. Think eggshell mode until you retire. Really sad...
I still say there are parts of this civil suit that someone has conveniently left out from their original post. There are reasons listed when a jury decides to award punitive damages. Clearly, the original poster isn't or won't say. If he's going to cry about it here, he should tell the whole story, not part of it. Sometimes, we fuck things up too, and the law makes us pay. Everyone isn't willing to just look the other way when proof exists that we have conducted ourselves as less than professional. Never lose sight of that.
Officers are also now suing persons for filing false claims/accusations against them. The system works both ways.
3/06/2018 07:42:00 PM
Says the moron who has never been sued...
Oh, I forgot, my 015 lawsuit story from above, the city have them $150,000. They also picked up arrest during said federal lawsuit. Also inadmissible during our trial, per judge.
"...I owe 5000 to a fucktard family..."
Quit posting and find a side job.
Last year we had zero isr’s for the month in 17. We were over worked from being in a back log everyday. Never having all two man beat cars for the day without any rapids or traffic cars it’s hard to fit a mover, Parker, anov, a blue card, bus check, a marijuana ticket, an arrest, and a isr for the day into our schedules. These are all things were told we are short on. After the month last year we had zero isr’s this same lieutenant thought outside the box like so many great supervisors... he told the entire watch that if we don’t do four isr’s a month we will be denied any time off work regardless of rank and then made to stay till the very last second they could keep us till everyday since. He even said to go ahead and post it on the blog and spelled out his last name and star number. This was his genius plan and him showing off his great leadership to the watch and motivational skills. Who wouldn’t be motivated by such a great speech. All is po’s felt a sense of unity and loved this idea so much that 95% of us didn’t get a single day off for the next 6 months. Just a few planned ahead for their children’s birthdays and family events by stopping citizens only to get their 4 isr’s so the following month we could see our children blow out their birthday candles.
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