Acting FTO's
This would be awesome:
- Today at an exempt training FatHead Ed came in and and berated the district commanders for putting 2 and 3 Ppo's with a single FTO. He told the commanders that "they" should have never allowed that practice to start and it's a stupid idea.
He then said that an AMFN message will be coming out mandating that each commander use their leadership to "convince" officers to sign up to be acting-up FTO's. He chided them and said if they send a negative report then THEY will be the acting FTO. He also said "don't send me the name of the copper nobody wants to work with, because he will know"
They asked for volunteers from the Sgt list, the Det list and then those who weren't on any list. When they couldn't get anyone to do it now they are threatening the commanders to get names or else!!
Quite frankly, seeing two, three and four-time "merit" exempts attempt to teach anyone anything that doesn't involve a willing ass and a moist pair of lips is an amusing scenario to say the least. When was the last time Special Ed did an AIRA report? Or Riccio filled out an ISR, paper or electronic? Staples may have filled out some GPR's in the not too distant past, but what has Waller, Sanchez or West filled out in the past decade?
And that's just the upper echelon.
And that's just the upper echelon.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
132 Comments:
Mid 80's the problem was the same. Few wanted to be a patrol specialist (old name for the FTO). This organization never learns.
Just ask any of these new Snowflakes and they'll tell you they know everything there is to know about policing. They'll even tell you who they will and won't work with after they investigate how many CR's the FTO has on his record. Might as well just promote them to management.
Eligible bodies from the Sgt list, then the det list, then no list, then from any list will do (retiree/IOD/medical/). As long as it’s a name of some kinda list. Good luck and keep the CHANGE.
How about a fucking 99b????????????????????????????????
Make Escamerit an FTO. He can show the troops how it's done with his 10 stop minimum that got him in hot water with the ACLU.
Quite frankly, the fact that Ed had no idea FTO'S were riding 3 & 4 deep with ppos speaks volumes in itself. BTW Ed, they get the same pay for having one ppo. I understand you are a busy man but I respectfully request you walk up to the front desk of any district and do the report on the next type A or B accident that walks in the front door. Set your stop watch and let us know the outcome.
I guess the 12th District commander should not send the name of the sup's so called family member because nobody wants to work with her.
lol I am sure there are coppers who rather ride 99 than be a FTO. Who the hell wants that job?
Once upon a time there were no FTO’s. You came out of the academy, were assigned to a district and a watch. You went around the clock with the watch, and bounced from car to car. You rode with everybody, the workers, the occasional dogs, and you learned from everyone. You know what, I don’t remember any cop bitching or moaning about working with a FNG. As a matter of fact, they wanted to show you the ropes. It was seasoned cops, teaching new cops, how to be good cops. And it fucking worked.
If it's so hard to fill these spots then why is it still the only position that you CANNOT turn down until the next class for any reason?? "Oh your going to be giving birth next month? Well can't you hold it in a little longer?" How many list their chance because they couldn't take the spot right then and there with a whole whopping 3 or 4 day notice?
oh yeah, the derelict merit hacks will be all over this. They'll be threatening and extorting people to tkae no PPOs in no time. Sorry Special Ed but this is what you get when the grossly under qualified are given the opportunities stolen from the actual intelligent candidates for promotional advancement. Wallow in your self imposed slurry of substandard incompetence. Maybe Wheezie and her coffee clutch demographic superstars can solve this dilemma for you.
Boy you gotta wonder just how Low this Police Dept. can get. We are being led by imbeciles.
So Fat Ed wants people off the list to train ppo's, is that an admission that they're a better quality candidate for Sgt or Det than merits? Why didn't he say pick the people you plan on making merits?
They should get rid of the entire FTO program. PPOs are learning more from other veteran officers. The FTO program has failed miserably.
Im curious how the Commanders will handle this, intimidation/threats or favor/Ill take care of you. My guess is threat.
That is just the beginning!! The so call Fto’s are a joke ... 4 years on job and an a Fto now that is funny . The new recruits are learning nothing these Fto’s do not volunteer for anything unless they are assigned. The future it’s yet to be written it will be called the minds of the unknown. Let us go back to the way it used to be .veterans officers assigned a ppo’s there is no need for examination to become a field
Training officer experience should be the top of the agenda. All the rocket scientist with degrees and no brain welcome to Chicago.
Put the PPO’s with the sergeants. Other police agencies have sergeants train rookies. It’s time the white shirts started leading by example.
I agree...Let these Commanders and Captains go out on the street and get ISR's, traffic stops and blue cards. Show us how its done or youll be on midnites! Show us true leadership! Now you can practice what you fuckers preach!!!! LMAO
He then said that an AMFN message will be coming out mandating that each commander use their leadership to "convince" officers to sign up to be acting-up FTO's.
Ed "can't wait to be fed" Johnson really meant to say that each commander use their merit promotional skills to brow beat and threaten officers to sign up against their will and better judgement or face the rath of a certain swat sergeant...
It's like teaching a snowflake not to melt...
Merit exempts and leadership skills is an oxymoron. Never done that but I can teach you will work well. Wake up Ed and put in your papers not worth the grief.
I'd do it only two conditions.. 1. When I make sgt they let me pick my district. 2. They let me pick my watch.
Up the pay to detective's pay and I'll do it. What the F is an extra $100 a check for all that hassle. They better sweaten the pot!
Did you hear the University of Chicago Crime Lab did a demonstration with sock puppets at that meeting.
Sweeten the pot??????? We all know how cheap coppers are...
OT: Anyone happen to catch the article on Chicago Breaking News of the Lake County Ofc. charged with misconduct for not arresting a domestic violence offender?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/lake-county-news-sun/news/ct-lns-lake-county-deputy-misconduct-charge-blotter-st-0310-20180309-story.html#nt=oft13a-11gp1
The fact Carl Winslow didn’t know about the PPO situation just speaks volumes about his leadership. Thank you for not looking down and seeing where it all starts. If you didn’t have your head up Rhambo’s ass, you might be able to focus on how your department is actually being run.
However, it was hilarious being in a car with 3 PPO’s. Someone runs a stop sign, you pull a traffic stop and out jumps 4 cops to surround the car. Always got a comical response from the driver. “It was a stop sign?! “ “WTF, there are four of you for this?!” Lol
Anonymous said...
I agree...Let these Commanders and Captains go out on the street and get ISR's, traffic stops and blue cards. Show us how its done or youll be on midnites! Show us true leadership! Now you can practice what you fuckers preach!!!! LMAO
3/10/2018 04:22:00 AM
Show us how it’s done? I’m sure we all know how it’s done. Are you saying that if an exempt went out to get isr’s we all would start doing them? Nobody wants to do anything anymore and that’s how it should be unless the anti police climate change hits the earth. Everyone needs to be in a job saving, stay out of lawsuits, not to go to jail mode, otherwise don’t drag other police into your mess.
simple you can't be merit without at least 2 yrs as an FTO. Thats not @ yr on paper it's 1 yr with actual PPO's.
SIMPLE, SIMPLE, SIMPLE. 2 bucks an hour per PPO. 3 ppos = 6 bucks an hour. These coppers will be knocking down doors for that xtra cash.
And he’s the Superintendent who apparently doesn’t know what’s going on. This has been going on for 2 yrs at least in my district. Now it’s an issue? There is an acting fto that supposedly failed the test but placed on the Sgt’s test, officers claim
Blaming the troops instead of looking in the mirror. Typical.
How about you pay the FTOs more?? D2A? D3? Obviously, the reality is screaming at the bosses but they can't hear....
How about wheezy stepping up and "volunteering" her vast knowledge and experiences and FTO one of the recruits.
The FTO program (or Patrol Specialist, back in the 80's) has ALWAYS been a disaster.
If the city really wants the program to work, they need to up their ante.
Put the PPO’s with the sergeants. Other police agencies have sergeants train rookies. It’s time the white shirts started leading by example.
Spoken like someone who cannot pass a Sgt’s test.. goof
OT: Does Riccio have a Detective assigned to his office?
Great. Let's assign FTO's by reverse seniority.
Chicago Police History 101
The FTO Program, like almost everything done by CPD was copied from programs in California. Back in the mid to late 1970's, CPD Promotions and Hiring was controlled by a Federal Judge named Prentiss Marshal. This was because CPD was shown to discriminate against those of Color, or without Clout! All exams had to be reviewed by Marshal, and he took his time in reviewing. So CPD was forced to create Temporary Sergeants, selected by District Commanders. The Temp Sgts. existed for over a year, and then when a new Sgts. exam was accepted by Marshal the Temp Sgts. went back to being Patrolman. (Yes CPD was politically incorrect, and used the word "Man"!}. As a bone, the opportunity to be Patrol Specialists was offered to the former Temp Sgts., because now that Marshal approved the new exams, there would be a hiring surge. Decades later, Supt. Weiss considered giving FTOs, what Patrol Specialists are now called, extra points on promotional exams, because he realized that being a FTO is challenging and dangerous.But he never got around to doing it. Today with the Internet, and Recruits who think they know more than anyone else on "Da Job"; Remember these are kids who were recruited on the Premise that CPD needs "Change", and They Are Part of That CHANGE! All that being said: the rank of FTO is so complicated today, that it should be a specialization just like Detective, and should receive comparable pay. This is no joke; riding around with some Know it All kid who thinks you are an idiot, because he knows more about computers than you is extremely dangerous. Add to all that, everything you Say or Do is being recorded. Who in his/her right mind would do this and receive no additional boost to their career? Add 5 spots up to a Sgts. Exam or Detective Exam score, and people would then consider the job. Stay Safe, Baby "G"
In the old Austin, when there were Watch Commanders, we had a Captain, who shortly after roll call, would don his sport coat over his uniform shirt and hit the gin mills. Once, police business required his presence. He was pissed off at the interruption and on his way back to the station, he gathered up 4 whores on Cicero Avenue. Upon entering the station and locating the officer that needed his signature approval on battery of a police officer to from, he remarked to the officer "Oh, you like doing reports? Write these up, use the state charges and leave copies for me. What a prick Stanley was.
why do you think that the mayor would not accept an outsider as police superintendent? The chief from Atlanta was well respected and had great ideas. The majority of leaders of this once great department are merit political appointees, people who did not have the written job knowledge or the intelligence to pass a simple written test.
White shirts to train!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe Ed should be an FTO. ♠️
Well who would want to be an fto the way you treat them. giving them 3 recruits and paying them for having only one.. that is bs. Maybe all these merit Sgt can show you how it’s done.
Anonymous said...
Put the PPO’s with the sergeants. Other police agencies have sergeants train rookies. It’s time the white shirts started leading by example.
3/10/2018 04:10:00 AM
So true the sergeants the lieutenants the captains and the pathetic exempts are such great leaders they really should train the new best and brightest let’s see what happens! Eddie has no clue what he’s doing anymore I strongly believe since his operation which I wish him well he has gotten worse whenever you have a major type of surgery and you are put under Anesthesia you’re thinking changes many of us have had operations that changes your thought process.
Eddie is just staying to help his girlfriend part of the cheating lieutenants examination to get her next promotion and a simple as that and he’s gotten rid of none of the do-nothing exam club he’s done nothing his list of accomplishments in the Chicago Police Department that she will be empty your thing it will show is a picture of him falling down in front of the mayor and training issue Eddie is just staying to help his girlfriend part of the cheating lieutenants examination to get her next promotion it is simple as that at least gotten rid of none of the do-nothing exam club he’s done nothing his list of accomplishments in the Chicago Police Department that sheet will be empty the only thing it will show is a picture of him falling down in front of the mayor.
Ed really fills out that uniform
03/10/2018 02:01 AM
Amen brother. We need to get back to that style asap.
I’m amazed at how our of touch these guys are. Incredible that they believe anyone would want to be an FTO in this shit department with shit leaders and no one having your back. Go ahead make the commanders the FTOs then so the PPOs can see first hand how dumb many of them truly are
this week, 020th district commander scheduled a meeting it's notification strongly encouraged that (off-duty, furlough, medical) be in attendance and all ftos and fto supervisors... commander held a power point presentation reminding us importance of activity traffic stop blue cards and ISRs one hour meeting promoting himself and his district stating he was triple promoted and he stands to continue to go up and nobody will stop him....even one afternoon sergeant spoke up and said to all in attendance that he was given this supervisory of fto program "without any training"!!
well there you have it in a nut shell....this department is upside down!
Someone should tell Special Ed that the swiping in and out bullshit isn’t going to help his case. No extra 30 minutes? Fuck that FTO thing.
Blame Ed all we want but Rahm is running CPD.
Did you really say, Staples was writing GPR's in the not to distant past?!? C'mon!
What triggered fathead ed's outrage at multiple PPO with a single FTO????---
it is not like he had no idea it was being done. He helped conceptualize the incentives for FTOs (assigned new vehicles, percentage of all promotional lists and priority for training opportunities, tablet...) made to address the need for more FTOs----and am pretty sure this practice was mentioned in the DOJ or lightfoots rant report.
As usual---reactive bs changes( (or threats) and fake outrage towards a long-time known, festering problem.
What a hard on. Demanding lists, making threats, bullying Commanders for this and that.
Shove off, Special.
When was the last time this department had any 'Leadership? More than 20 years ago. Merit promotions have destroyed leadership here.
Hey, if Sgt T.J.Hooker can train recruits than so can all those Meritorious fuks.
Don't forget 30% of the Sgt's ARE Meritorious.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I agree...Let these Commanders and Captains go out on the street and get ISR's, traffic stops and blue cards. Show us how its done or youll be on midnites! Show us true leadership! Now you can practice what you fuckers preach!!!! LMAO
Couldn't off said it better myself, let these assclowns in white shirts go out there and show us lowly patrol officers how it's done, tired of seeing these so called bosses sitting on their asses making all that money with no or poor leadership skills commanding troops on the field. What a fucking joke this department has turned into. This gripe only goes to the people that own it, especially this goof Escamilla...fuck this piece of shit...LOL
"use their leadership" to convince people to become FTOs
Funniest phrase I have heard in weeks.
Put the PPO’s with the sergeants. Other police agencies have sergeants train rookies. It’s time the white shirts started leading by example.
3/10/2018 04:10:00 AM
You really want the PPO responding with the sergeant when you step on your dick and need the sergeant to come to your job? You want the Sgt to train the PPOs to do the job of a police officer? I'll let you in on a little secret. Sergeants and P.O.s have different jobs. A sergeant can't do his/her job while riding with a PPO. A sergeant can't train a PPO while trying to do the job he or she is actually supposed to do. I'm sure you'll tell us about how little the sergeants do, and how easy it is to be a sergeant, and how you could train PPOs perfectly while performing the duties of a sergeant. That just makes me wonder why you're not a sergeant, or at least an FTO. You have all the answers to this problem, yet you haven't been able to get yourself into the position to implement your solutions. If/when you do get promoted, I'm sure no one will stop you from volunteering to take a PPO out to show them how it's done. I'm also sure the PPO won't learn anything about doing the job of a police officer while riding with you. By the way, the sergeants are already riding with PPOs when their FTOs aren't working. They learn very little about their job while the sergeants accomplish very little of what they're supposed to be doing. If you have the answers, step up and train the new people. Until then, no one needs to hear your plan.
Ineffective, incompetent and low energy.
Why the sudden pugnacity?
Is The Right Man for the Right Time™️ getting “tough”?
Shouldn’t he be using that disrespectful tone and attitude to the feral community?
Why doesn’t he and his chauffeur take that tough guy show to the street corner and tell the feral youth to split up into pairs when they’re just standing around.
Commander Exempts as FTO’s....that’s crazy talk.
Special Ed is losing his mind.
Medical assessment is needed.
Tick-tock.
(Just a month to go before hitting the 2 year mark.)
Can anyone verify if Bobblehead was Jugghead’s FTO back in early 90’s?
Prima-Saldana in 014 is threatening to split up working partners if they don't volunteer or as he calls it volunTOLD to put their hat in the ring.
So if I work with a ppo do I get out of grade and 30 min time due like the old days? I’ll work with a ppo few days a week. My partner going on vacation soon. No big deal
Before FTO’s you just hit the street as long as you weren’t by yourself.
I guarantee Waller is better cop and has done more than 90% of this current department.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
They should get rid of the entire FTO program. PPOs are learning more from other veteran officers. The FTO program has failed miserably.
Didn’t have the FTO program when I came on and we all survived and most are enjoying our pensions. Didn’t take long to learn from a veteran officer and after a year or so two 2 year guys were working together and everything was good
When you leave the academy and hit the districts some will learn quickly, usually the ones who really want to be the police and some will never learn no matter how many FTO’s they have.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Once upon a time there were no FTO’s. You came out of the academy, were assigned to a district and a watch. You went around the clock with the watch, and bounced from car to car. You rode with everybody, the workers, the occasional dogs, and you learned from everyone. You know what, I don’t remember any cop bitching or moaning about working with a FNG. As a matter of fact, they wanted to show you the ropes. It was seasoned cops, teaching new cops, how to be good cops. And it fucking worked.
Amen. And you learned from the dogs what not to do and not want to be a dog. You made your own decision on what kind of police you wanted to be after being exposed to different officers
No one can tell you what kind of officer you should be. Ultimately it’s up to you to make that decision
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Once upon a time there were no FTO’s. You came out of the academy, were assigned to a district and a watch. You went around the clock with the watch, and bounced from car to car. You rode with everybody, the workers, the occasional dogs, and you learned from everyone. You know what, I don’t remember any cop bitching or moaning about working with a FNG. As a matter of fact, they wanted to show you the ropes. It was seasoned cops, teaching new cops, how to be good cops. And it fucking worked.
3/10/2018 02:01:00 AM
There are plenty of FTO’s that are poor examples of how to be the police and shouldn’t or can’t teach a PPO anything because they have never been the police. That’s not to say there are not any competent good FTO’s because there are
(OT) new swat training video with sergeant slaughter:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb21_qI90pE&feature=youtu.be
As 35th street watching
Will never happen but; give an FTO test where no merit selections are allowed. Then give a sergeants test again with no merit choices allowed. I think people will at least begin to look at their orders. If the city wants something they need to give something.
Has the CPD leadership sunk so low as to threaten commanders to find acting FTO's? What does he expect? if no one will volunteer then make someone volunteer. In any other agency, a FTO is respected. Johnson said he will know about poor FTO's? Who is he kidding? Look at the current group of FTO's. What did the command staff expect when they graduate recruits at such a high rate, beyond the capacity of the FTO program? I now believe that Johnson has no idea of the real conditions in the districts. So sad.
Maybe Ed should have gotten a brain transplant along with that kidney.
Just an Observation but most fto are the ones no one wants to work with
We were told in the district don’t even ask for a consideration merit from the commander if you don’t take a PPO to train.
I guess when you become Sgt and above. You lose you’re Police powers
Why doesn't the mayor send some people over? COPA, the ACLU? Hell, they're all frigging experts at how YOUR job should be done.
(Except they've never done it or had any training on how to do it.)
J.J.
Put the PPO’s with the sergeants. Other police agencies have sergeants train rookies. It’s time the white shirts started leading by example.
Says the guy who didn't do well on the Sgt exam!
Everyone acts like this is a new problem. Years ago, I barely had 2 years before the captain in 007 made me an acting FTO. I was an FTO for 5 or 6 guys without incident. But I guess the individuals hired 15 years ago were of a higher caliber than what’s been coming onto the department the last couple years.
If you are management on the watch..Get ready for your PPO
Make it an OT option for Detectives
Wheeeezy can teach all about the great state of Milwaukee
Coppers have been screwed over too many times when they became FTO s. They promise 1 thing then change it midstream . Usually to save the city money. They have lost all trust in the department to keep its word. Most are the ones who are left ,many are goofs. if u were smart rookies u would just hang around the veterans, keep ur mouth shut and try to absorb some of their knowledge. U sure aren t going to learn anything from the command staff.
Ed is still carrying a shit sandwich to work everyday
Good idea the white shirts could shown them where good restaurants are, how to duck out early and whose ads to kiss. If they pay close attention a promotion will be just around the corner. Can you say merit learning tree.
lease no detectives training anyone until they learn their jobs. After they get a 30% homicide clearance rate then maybe.
How about we pay FTO’s D2A maybe give them a half hour a day whenever they have a PPO. It that would make sense and cost the city a couple of bucks so it won’t happen. They’d prefer to simply let the department continue to spiral into the toilet.
Don't ask what the Chicago Police Department can do for you, but what you can do for the Chicago Police Department. Now Step-right-up!!! Do your duty. We will train in the Academy, we will train at Roll Call and shall train on the Streets.
They should get rid of the entire FTO program. PPOs are learning more from other veteran officers. The FTO program has failed miserably.
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Learning ro stay fetal.
3/10/2018 03:38:00 AM
SPecial ED must not have any college
1)you dont black mail any person in a training position they will corrupt the process somehow.
2) if a position requires extra responsibilities a benefit should be offered.
3) Money is a typical benefit but if the budget does not allow for a significant amount offered other ideas should be looked at.
4) possible points on promotional exam
5) extra paid time off
6) written contract for ability to pick certain units or districts after a set time period. (i.e. 003 district FTO with 5 years on does 3 years as FTO signed contract states he can go to 018 district after final 3rd year as FTO) COST 0$ movement done under management provision.
Sad part is all these merit sit back and watch special ED sweat about the FTO process! Not even his OLD LADY who scored high on a test!?
Oh well back to being FETAL and rolling in my civilian made money...
And nobody will drop a single idea because they don't respect him.
I can't waitt to see how this shakes out...
Really make an option for dicks, really that is fucking stupid. Detectives have no clue how to work in patrol, unless they have been up there for less then a year. Same way we wouldn't have knowledge to work in D unit. A little common sense goes a long way.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Put the PPO’s with the sergeants. Other police agencies have sergeants train rookies. It’s time the white shirts started leading by example.
3/10/2018 04:10:00 AM
Nice try junior.
Get some time on the job, then we'll ask for your opinion
Sanchez stopped 9 people and did not one ISR but was instrumental in ensuring that the officers be suspended from CTA. He said they failed to assist him but the officers transmit on a different radio frequency while working CTA.
Sanchez where were your people?
Sanchez where care the 9 ISR's that you didn't do?
Pull the cameras and see exactly how long you detained those poor citizens
WTF is a Prima-Soldano?
Is that like a generalissimo?
I guess when you become Sgt and above. You lose you’re Police powers
3/10/2018 12:58:00 PM
Ouch.
Even I felt that......and I'm the classic nobody........
Just an Observation but most fto are the ones no one wants to work with
3/10/2018 11:39:00 AM
So, what you're saying is.....you're an FTO....??????
75% of exempts could not write a bond , complete a traffic evidence report , inventory or arrest report , they be merit for a reason . Dumb MFRs '
Put PPO with a merit sergeant , that would be hilarious . Have Academy Instructors to grade the Sarge bwahahaha
Anonymous said...
this week, 020th district commander scheduled a meeting it's notification strongly encouraged that (off-duty, furlough, medical) be in attendance and all ftos and fto supervisors... commander held a power point presentation reminding us importance of activity traffic stop blue cards and ISRs one hour meeting promoting himself and his district stating he was triple promoted and he stands to continue to go up and nobody will stop him....even one afternoon sergeant spoke up and said to all in attendance that he was given this supervisory of fto program "without any training"!!
well there you have it in a nut shell....this department is upside down!
3/10/2018 08:16:00 AM
Not even close. I was there. It was unbelievable.
First, he made everyone stand up and take their shirts off. Then he came by and rubbed butter on their chests, while sprinkling Tony Sacheree seasoning on them. Very awkward, because he never explained it and never acknowledged it the rest of the meeting.
Then he made an entire presentstion via a sock puppet. A sock puppet! He’s clearly a racist, because it was a black sock. Every time he had to take a question, he made the FTO talk to the sock. It was demeaning and I called the union to see if I could grieve it.
He went through a PowerPoint, but it was mostly pictures of him at Disney World. Sure it’s a magical place, but I don’t understand why we had to look at the pictires of him dressed as Snow White’s Chef. Evidently there was a scene cut out of the movie where the Chef bakes a magic cake and he dresses up like that every year.
Clearly an abuse of power! He must be stopped! The horror, the horror!
After, he demanded each of us generate no less than 20 TSSS cards, 2 car washes and 6 ANOVs per tour. He said he wouldn’t let us go home without that. Then he made us all cut our palms with a knife and swear a blood oath. Sure, it’s technically an IOD and I’ll get $600 from my secondary insurance, but the butter really made it sting. He’s a madman!
It was only after the meeting when i looked down at the floor of the room from the second floor roll call room window did I realize he had drawn a pentagram on the floor. I think the whole purpose of the meeting was so he could cast some kind of black magic to get himself promoted again, in a pact with Satan! I overheard him say to the Captain he needed a stack of TSSS cards as tall as a man in sacrifice! Don’t do it, he’s evil!
The horror, the horror!
Nice try, rub. I love your description of the FTO meeting, but my description is closer than yours, cupcake. But thanks for playing!
3/10/2018 11:39:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
We were told in the district don’t even ask for a consideration merit from the commander if you don’t take a PPO to train.
3/10/2018 11:52:00 AM
Big deal. Do you really believe that you will be put in for merit because you trained a PPO? Commanders take care of their secretaries , friends or put in someone because they are told to by a chief or higher boss
Off topic. What's the story with Elis merit detective pick at Area North. Comes in late answer phones???? You should be embarrassed Eli
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Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
this week, 020th district commander scheduled a meeting it's notification strongly encouraged that (off-duty, furlough, medical) be in attendance and all ftos and fto supervisors... commander held a power point presentation reminding us importance of activity traffic stop blue cards and ISRs one hour meeting promoting himself and his district stating he was triple promoted and he stands to continue to go up and nobody will stop him....even one afternoon sergeant spoke up and said to all in attendance that he was given this supervisory of fto program "without any training"!!
well there you have it in a nut shell....this department is upside down!
3/10/2018 08:16:00 AM
Did he hand out copies of Twelve O'Clock High ?
Anonymous said...
How about we pay FTO’s D2A maybe give them a half hour a day whenever they have a PPO. It that would make sense and cost the city a couple of bucks so it won’t happen. They’d prefer to simply let the department continue to spiral into the toilet.
3/10/2018 05:06:00 PM
FTOs already get 1/2 hour a day when they have a PPO.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sanchez stopped 9 people and did not one ISR but was instrumental in ensuring that the officers be suspended from CTA. He said they failed to assist him but the officers transmit on a different radio frequency while working CTA.
Sanchez where were your people?
Sanchez where care the 9 ISR's that you didn't do?
Pull the cameras and see exactly how long you detained those poor citizens
3/10/2018 07:32:00 PM
I saw the tape and these lazy fucks were sitting in the car less than 25 feet away. Who gives a shit if they are on a citywide channel, they should open their eyes. Sanchez is one of the few bosses who actually gets it and takes care of his people.
Several commenters write about a time when there were no FTOs and they turned out okay. I’ll never say the current FTO program is great, but it’s better than nothing. Nowadays, as opposed to yesteryear, we have Body Cams, In Car Camera, ACLU, COPA, and a very anti-police State’s Attorney’s office. So an old timer can say, “I didn’t have an FTO and I turned out fine,” but were you wearing a Body Camera, an ICC microphone, a taser, filling out TRR forms, or any other recent addition? Also, if you stepped on your dick, people could help you out. Step on your dick now, you may be unemployed, sued, or worse.
I worked with a recruit for one day many years ago. When I submitted the out of grade slip the captain refused to sign it and I had to fight him for the lousy $9. Which I did and won, because of principle.
Fuckem
Anonymous said...
3/10/2018 11:39:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
We were told in the district don’t even ask for a consideration merit from the commander if you don’t take a PPO to train.
3/10/2018 11:52:00 AM
Big deal. Do you really believe that you will be put in for merit because you trained a PPO? Commanders take care of their secretaries , friends or put in someone because they are told to by a chief or higher boss
One day you will see an office bunny teaching somebody for like a week then go to pre service class for sergeants. You don’t have to look far, 007 for example
OT: Anyone happen to catch the article on Chicago Breaking News of the Lake County Ofc. charged with misconduct for not arresting a domestic violence offender?
Isn’t that what your required to do? Hmm...
Big deal. Do you really believe that you will be put in for merit because you trained a PPO? Commanders take care of their secretaries, friends or put in someone because they are told to by a chief or higher boss
I am a Lt, and this is absolutely correct. Was at a meeting with the Supe when he explicitly stated that FTOs would be given consideration for merit for Sgt. Next list comes out, 2 FTOs put in, the following list none. IMHO, it was B.S. from the start.
Sanchez stopped 9 people and did not one ISR but was instrumental in ensuring that the officers be suspended from CTA. He said they failed to assist him but the officers transmit on a different radio frequency while working CTA.
Sanchez where were your people?
Sanchez where care the 9 ISR's that you didn't do?
Pull the cameras and see exactly how long you detained those poor citizens
When I work CTA if I see a district car on a traffic stop, we always check on those officers to make sure their ok, or give a thumbs up. You see a supervisor with 9 individuals and don’t stop, tells me your a couple of j*goffs who got what they deserved.
I’m a five year guy. When I came on there were three of us assigned to one FTO. It was a bad experience and piss poor attempt to absorb training like that. My first reaction was geeze, did CPD run out of squad cars that we couldn’t just be put with regular veterans to ride with? I think the FTO program is just another promotion where officers can escape to to leave a shitty district and get some nominal perks ( no midnights ). When I look back at my cycles training I’ve a actually learned more from level headed veteran coppers in a busy district than any FTO. It never occurred to me how shitty some of these FTOs were until I started working and gaining experience in a busy district on my own. And while there are some good FTOs it’s been my experience that there are more goofs hiding out in that position than it’s worth to keep the program. At least the way this dept runs it. Don’t even get me started on that ppo foot patrol garbage McNumbers put into place. It’s my opinion that all rookie cops should be paired up with veteran coppers for at least a year or two before allowed to work with other newer copppers.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I guess when you become Sgt and above. You lose you’re Police powers
3/10/2018 12:58:00 PM
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No. We gain delegation powers. Be careful what you wish for. As a Sgt I have very clear vision too. I can see more of what’s happening, and am able to find you no matter where you are.... If you feel Sgt’s are out of touch, I can find you a variety of things to do. I can stand over your shoulder as you type my narratives and run you through the entire process. I’ll probably leave you to finish while I go grab a coffee before “we” find you more activity. Sometimes it’s better to a guy like you to get away from the key board and stop posting your stupid thoughts. You’re better off doing nothing, staying “fetal”. These days I’d rather be a be a do nothing blue shirt than have to be a supervisor to all of these modern day “real police / working police”. Tell me some more of your war stories ..... I need to sleep.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Put the PPO’s with the sergeants. Other police agencies have sergeants train rookies. It’s time the white shirts started leading by example.
3/10/2018 04:10:00 AM
Nice try junior.
Get some time on the job, then we'll ask for your opinion
3/10/2018 07:17:00 PM
Haha! This is great. It seems to be the go to answer for anyone with 22+ years. Get a life dope. I know you’re a white shirt too. What’s the matter, you scared to actually work for your pay raise?
This is one of the only jobs where the higher the promotion and pay, the less responsibility you have.
Anonymous said...
Really make an option for dicks, really that is fucking stupid. Detectives have no clue how to work in patrol, unless they have been up there for less then a year. Same way we wouldn't have knowledge to work in D unit. A little common sense goes a long way.
3/10/2018 07:05:00 PM
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Ummmmm, they are still blue shirts.
Their uniform is the same (yes they do currently wear cd)
They all come from the same rank.
Whaddya mean they don't know how to work in patrol?
The only officers who should be forced to fat heads wishes should be all the camel merits who are taking spots from knowledgeable officers.
In this time and age , fat Head should send his COPA warriors and train the PPO's.
The FTO’s in 20 have like what 4 years! Most of them used FTO to get off midnights and out of ghetto districts. Not much a poster board for hard work don’t..................
Anonymous said...
Several commenters write about a time when there were no FTOs and they turned out okay. I’ll never say the current FTO program is great, but it’s better than nothing. Nowadays, as opposed to yesteryear, we have Body Cams, In Car Camera, ACLU, COPA, and a very anti-police State’s Attorney’s office. So an old timer can say, “I didn’t have an FTO and I turned out fine,” but were you wearing a Body Camera, an ICC microphone, a taser, filling out TRR forms, or any other recent addition? Also, if you stepped on your dick, people could help you out. Step on your dick now, you may be unemployed, sued, or worse.
3/10/2018 10:31:00 PM
Or you could have a broken dick.
Anonymous said...
OT: Anyone happen to catch the article on Chicago Breaking News of the Lake County Ofc. charged with misconduct for not arresting a domestic violence offender?
Isn’t that what your required to do? Hmm
Sounds like you got some reading to do, regular domestic battery, arrest is not mandatory, although there are two other instances where arrest is a must such as violation of order of protection and violation of bail.
The Commander of 20 or as we call him in his former district Herbie da drill the little dentist elf from Rudolph the red nose reindeer is a short arrogant ,career minded opportunist who will step on and crush anyone in his way. He has pushed officers to violate citizens rights in his quest for comp stat documentation in violation of cpd orders .A small minded little midget trying to be the big boss.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
How about wheezy stepping up and "volunteering" her vast knowledge and experiences and FTO one of the recruits.
3/10/2018 06:56:00 AM
Most PPO’s are already sharper than Wheezie....but she’s a Lie-Tenant fo sho.
Ok no problem. Valuntell me to do it. I'll fail each and every PPO I'm with. I have no idea how to grade and evaluate them.
Sucks for the PPO but no one is telling us to pass them. Unless of course you throw in some nice perks.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
They should get rid of the entire FTO program. PPOs are learning more from other veteran officers. The FTO program has failed miserably.
Didn’t have the FTO program when I came on and we all survived and most are enjoying our pensions. Didn’t take long to learn from a veteran officer and after a year or so two 2 year guys were working together and everything was good
When you leave the academy and hit the districts some will learn quickly, usually the ones who really want to be the police and some will never learn no matter how many FTO’s they have.
3/10/2018 10:25:00 AM
A very true and valid point.
FatHeadEd should not have been caught by surprise by this.
His wife, Lie-Tenant Wheezie is the FTO Lie-Tenant in 009.
You really want the PPO responding with the sergeant when you step on your dick and need the sergeant to come to your job? You want the Sgt to train the PPOs to do the job of a police officer? I'll let you in on a little secret. Sergeants and P.O.s have different jobs. A sergeant can't do his/her job while riding with a PPO. A sergeant can't train a PPO while trying to do the job he or she is actually supposed to do. I'm sure you'll tell us about how little the sergeants do, and how easy it is to be a sergeant, and how you could train PPOs perfectly while performing the duties of a sergeant. That just makes me wonder why you're not a sergeant, or at least an FTO. You have all the answers to this problem, yet you haven't been able to get yourself into the position to implement your solutions. If/when you do get promoted, I'm sure no one will stop you from volunteering to take a PPO out to show them how it's done. I'm also sure the PPO won't learn anything about doing the job of a police officer while riding with you. By the way, the sergeants are already riding with PPOs when their FTOs aren't working. They learn very little about their job while the sergeants accomplish very little of what they're supposed to be doing. If you have the answers, step up and train the new people. Until then, no one needs to hear your plan.
I speak for all of us lowly blue shirts.
I would understand you're particular job title but most of you white shirts hide behind you're title and have no respect what so ever from the troops because unfortunately once you become a white shirt on this particular job, you are nothing but a puppet to the suits in city hall. So how can you even order anybody when the prick mayor and his merry suits are calling the shots. And yes, there are plenty of other departments that the sergeant is the FTO. Stop making excuses about all the things that you guys have to do, because also if you don't like it then resign the title and go back to the ranks. Just saying, I was a staff Sergeant in the Marines before getting out, for 15yrs. as an infantryman. Most of it in Afghanistan. Presently been on the job for 15yrs. also but I guess I'm just a dumb ass when it comes to passing the sergeants exam for CPD or I just don't got that special juice that a lot of people have to get promoted meritoriously. The point is the suits at city hall is destroying this job, especially the camaraderie between the troops and the bosses on this job. We all have to pull our weight on this job. But that my friends is another war story, God Bless............
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Big deal. Do you really believe that you will be put in for merit because you trained a PPO? Commanders take care of their secretaries, friends or put in someone because they are told to by a chief or higher boss
I am a Lt, and this is absolutely correct. Was at a meeting with the Supe when he explicitly stated that FTOs would be given consideration for merit for Sgt. Next list comes out, 2 FTOs put in, the following list none. IMHO, it was B.S. from the start.
3/11/2018 01:27:00 AM
Lt I sure hope it didn’t take you until the list came out to realize it was all bs from the start. You should have laughed when he said it. Hate to rag on you but can’t believe a P.O. with time on the job and two promotions is still that naive. You must have been wearing blinders for the last 15 years. But thanks for letting us know you heard the promise
Most PPO’s are already sharper than Wheezie....but she’s a Lie-Tenant fo sho.
3/11/2018 02:22:00 PM
Hahaha shit, Wheezie hoping they teach her how to be the change. Wait, that would require a call to that 'tip hotline' and reporting she had to of cheated to earn her rank hahaha
Many sarge from Gresham hide inside , desk sarge don’t know how or won’t write bonds ,approve case reports ,never see the sarge on calls
One merit tells stories of being agent in rat squad , bet she never completed a case . She hide all day ,
Anonymous said...
Really make an option for dicks, really that is fucking stupid. Detectives have no clue how to work in patrol, unless they have been up there for less then a year. Same way we wouldn't have knowledge to work in D unit. A little common sense goes a long way.
3/10/2018 07:05:00 PM
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Ummmmm, they are still blue shirts.
Their uniform is the same (yes they do currently wear cd)
They all come from the same rank.
Whaddya mean they don't know how to work in patrol?
Left patrol in 1988, made Detective in 1994. Do you realize how much has changed in the Patrol Division? I would need a PPO to show me all the new procedures, reports and all the camera crap.
Left patrol in 1988, made Detective in 1994. Do you realize how much has changed in the Patrol Division? I would need a PPO to show me all the new procedures, reports and all the camera crap.
Need a PPO? Why not any beat man? They do it everyday
Left patrol in 1988, made Detective in 1994. Do you realize how much has changed in the Patrol Division? I would need a PPO to show me all the new procedures, reports and all the camera crap.
Need a PPO? Why not any beat man? They do it everyday
3/12/2018 04:02:00 PM
Truth laced with sarcasm. The thread mentions Detectives could train PPOs. I jokingly was pointing out a truth. If one is so far removed after a substantial amount of time, how could one train a PPO. The PPO would actually know more on some topics.
Ha. The current crop of fto’s are the coppers (90%) that didn’t have seniority to get off of midnights and couldn’t get a partner. Makes you wonder dumbass downtown. Free advice.... Get in touch with reality stupid merit clout suck asses.
all of this sounds like the leadership of the Chicago Police Department is getting desperate
Message is out. Each watch, each district, is to "nominate" at least 3 officers for the act-up FTO.
Put another way, at least 3 officers are about to get strongarmed into the job.
If the city is allowed to do this, then they will have no reason to make any Permanent FTO's from this point on.
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