This Doesn't Seem Safe
But then again, it hasn't been safe for years - it's just that now, with rich people hearing gunshots at a high-end downtown mall, it might actually be bad publicity if one of them got wounded....or worse:
- Chicago police were on the scene at Water Tower Place after a gun was fired inside the shopping mall Friday night. But CBS 2’s Mai Martinez discovered, as the incident unfolded, radio issues prevented dispatchers from communicating with officers on the scene.
“Shots fired by 7th floor Water Tower, let’s get some cars over here so we can go up to 7,” an officer said over the radio.
“All units available, I need you over to Water Tower now. Any units available head over to Water Tower,” the dispatcher could be heard saying over radio transmission.
But, the dispatcher received a disturbing response when she asked for more information from the scene.
“Radios don’t work in the Water Tower,” the officer said.
There are lots of dead spots, especially downtown. A lot of it could be eliminated via digital antennas, but that might involve actually spending money and such, which Rahm cannot abide. He's already getting static about a $95 million Police Academy that might actually address training issues pointed out in the DOJ report. He isn't about to spend more money on something that might modernize the Department further.
(As this issue has been addressed many times before and for this incident, Channel 2 can make a $50 donation to the Chaplains.)
(As this issue has been addressed many times before and for this incident, Channel 2 can make a $50 donation to the Chaplains.)
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
53 Comments:
You can't fix a problem if you can't talk about it.
But Cell Phones work just fine!
The Water Tower is a radio free zone
We can receive radio transmissions from the Moon,
but that was before Rahm's time
Our radios have sucked for a long time now.
It’s not like that’s the way it’s supposed to be or has to be.
Check out suburban and ISP radios and their transmissions...virtually crystal clear. None of the static, interference, other zones bleeding through, and dead spots that we routinely have to put up with.
Rahm doesn’t have a money problem, he’s got a priority problem.
Instead of modernizing our equipment he chooses to fund hundreds of miles of unused bike lanes, $40 Million for a “mentoring” program in “the community” etc., etc.
Anybody but Rahm in the upcoming election.
Jeez -
I retired over 8yrs ago and they were talking about digital antennas back then.
Ya gotta love "the city that works". LOL
Perhaps the private security Ambassadors can assist with these matters...
Antenna ‘s don’t bote
Try Citywide Five. It seems to be the best one.
Why does anyone shop in Chicago? ♠️
Just a small clarification SCC.
Even if the city did spend the $95-million on a new training academy, the same incompetence would exist just in a brand new building.
Same boss and same instructors maintaining the same standard of excellence (meaning extremely low),
training the same recruits (many that should never have been hired to be the police).
A new academy is just another taxpayer funded project for a connected construction firm to make money.
What’s a “digital antenna.” I hold an amateur radio license and have never heard that term. Do you mean “digital radio system.” If so, you’re very wrong about that. Digital is worse than analog.
I'll bet Rahm's detail has radios that work everywhere including the dark side of the moon
(OT) ban mace again downtown Chicago the most expensive area the most so-called tourists area;
Robbers armed with mace hit Mag Mile hotel room
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/robbers-armed-with-mace-hit-mag-mile-hotel-room/
But again no description of offenders I wonder if all the offenders another scription are Casper the friendly ghost that’s the only logical explanation because the dishonest media in Chicago and a dishonest police departmen googleme t would make sure if they were honest that a description will be given right?
Digital antennas guarantee nothing....ask the PDs in Will County and they will tell you their brand new digital radio system is a complete failure.
No such thing has "digital" antennas. Its a marketing gimmick. They just need more transmitters or/and receive sites.
Nothing but the BEST for our Guys/Gals in Blue. I'd love to say How embarrassed The Little prick should be feeling, How Understaffed and Illequiped the Dept is....But, as WE ALL KNOW, He just doesn't give a PHUQ....PERIOD....
Why spend tax payer money on infrastructure and services when you can steal it..........
It's nice to see that we are not the only ones with radio problems
All crime being committed by MEN!!! I feel stigmatized!! Shame on you local media!!!
Great going CBS. Let the Jagoffs know the radios don’t work in certain areas.
3/08/2018 01:13:00 AM
Thanks my coffee is on the computer! Hilrious!
This radio issue is all on Jonathan Lewin. He is the most incompetent person out there. He stockpiles new equipment until it I is obsolete. When the new Command van was built back in2010 he installed new old stock Tv's, computers, monitors etc. None ever worked right ever and could not work with the high def cameras installed downtown.He looks great on paper. Would not buy a new router for old Command van so the computers would work. PAYBACKS ARE A BITCH, FROM THE ROC.
Airports at the same,so is mass transit so many "dead zones" and it has been this way for years! strange though in many areas they have such in the tunnels cell phone repeaters that work but not cpd radios who plans this? who is in charge? rahm? a democrat? They are the source of everything wrong in this corrupt city-county-state!
Nothing more impressive than a 5 minute exchange between the dispatcher and a VRI copper trying give/get an event number for lunch at Water Tower when the radio doesn’t work.
Active shooter in a high rise, no communication? What could go wrong. It's the Democratic way of closing your eyes and pretending nothing will happen.
Did the Justice department include the radio problemin their list of problems to be corrected.? What type of radios do the Feds use? Maybe Rahm can take a little "TIF Funds" from everyone and buy the whole city new radios just like the Feds. Fr Faker could lead another protest down Michigan Ave to Water Tower pl. to stop the citizens from shopping there then go to the surburbs shopping for himself.
How about radio service down in the tubes?
O.T.
This will make the younger car jackers so happy!
If you’re under 21 and have been convicted of a crime, you might wind up serving time in the juvenile justice system instead of an adult jail. Illinois state lawmakers are considering a measure that would raise the system's age limit from 18 to no more than 20.
Radios don't work in Water tower? this was one of the issues we were supposed to take care of as a result of first responders dying in 911 incident.
Water Tower has been a shit show for years.
On a typical night there are more criminals there than legitimate shoppers.
This was supposed to anddressed and fixed in the wake of the Sept 11 2001 NYC World Trade Center terrorist attacks.
The entire nations First Responders radio network was supposed to be updated and digitized from antiquated, unreliable and hackable analogue systems. When light-in-loafers obama was in charge, his FCC and was unable to get televisions signals digitized on time when the mandate was to be implemented.
WeaselThief jack of all trades Ron Huberman managed to manipulate invoicing (steal and hide) for purchasing outdated OEMC surplus parts and equipment.
I believe Fire was first and is the sole operator of true digital radio transmission.
It could have changed by now.
CTA made enhancements to cellphone signals in tunnels.
No large multi story buildings have any CPD radio signal capabilities.
They have water sprinkler, canopy and open stairwell requirements though.
I hear even the airports have some dead zones too.
Where does Rahm put our tax money you axe’?
Sanctuary City ID’s.
Sanctuary legal fees.
Ads for anti-police and POTUS marches.
Floats, jugglers, jungle gyms and box lunches.
BTW:
Go Vote early.
Democrat ballot is the only way to get rid of PuckerWrinkle.
It might be easier to dump a haggard Fioretti in 4 years when a viable Republic runs for Cook Co. Board President.
Dumping PuckerWrinkles is the first step to derail Rahm’s re-Election campaign train because it will put another slot on that ballot next year.
Let downstate determine Governor and Atty General. (Chicago rendered only 20% of the Rep. vote in 2014)
And if you don’t know, inexperienced lawyer Ericka Harris (pro Consent Decree) is a Democrat running as Republican because the Dem ballot has 8 candidates on it and GOP ballot has 1 other, Gary Grasso.
Anything the city buys for CPD and CFD is outdated and inferior, Just a huge pile of Shit!!!!
Imagine if you will, if we had up to date radios. These radios can save a citizen or policeman's life. But we have a guy that does everything on the cheap. Lives cost money! Heaven forbid if a radio transmission can't get through because we don't have the latest equipment. Hello lawsuit! We might as well resort to either smoke signals or two cans and a string. Bring back the call boxes?
(OT) even the illegal "dreamers" telling democrats " we are tired of your lies"
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/08/dreamers-to-democrats-were-tired-your-lies.html
Wow they even know what we are know democrats=liars but with rahm getting the illegal identification cards that can be used to let the illegals vote they will still vote for the liars!
OT: FlintTown on Netflix, wow, Chicago on a much smaller scale.
I like the original limestone Water Tower built in 1869.
Betcha the radios work inside there.
If Special Ed is so offended by the Bruce Willlis movie,
please station him there to protect the landmark from
the Hollywood rat. Once Bruce finds out that the original
was built to hide a standpipe, he just might get curious and
stop over with the stagehands and grips.
(BTW, Bruce: no pissing in the river from the bridge)
This can be corrected by adding a device called a booster (or radio relay) It ties in via fiber optic to the main comm system thereby boosting weak signals to the central dispatch. (OEMC). another fix is to PROGRAM THE DAMNED RADIOS TO HAVE THE CORRECT OUTPUT POWER of FOUR WATTS. I have reprogrammed MANY CPD radios that were turned down so as to conserve battery. This is NOT a good smart or safe move. Additionally, PO should invest in baofeng UV-82 Portables ( 35 dollars) that have SIX WATTS of out put and WILL work in Water Tower Place. I have field tested Baofengs all over the city INCLUDING THE UNDERGROUND GARAGES AND TUNNELS and these radios WORK.
It’s not safe and Rahm couldn’t care less. He despises us.
He’s much more concerned with pandering to illegals and “the community”
SCC said "There are lots of dead spots, especially downtown."
The only dead spot downtown is in Rahm's head.
Camera, now more cameras, hidef cameras, microphone, police cameras, bla, bla, bla, The only camera we need is on the court room when they give 4 time felons probation.
Just a bunch of Hooey!
They should just learn to get used to or ignore them, like ghetto folk do.
OT Gang-member college-student shot at Truman city college.
http://www.cwbchicago.com/2018/03/uptown-truman-college-student-shot.html?m=1
"Shot spotters" still catching those bad guys? Jeez how can "everything" be a scam here?
While the city of Chicago may be absolutely gorgeous, you couldn't pay me enough to visit anywhere there!
And now that CBS has blabbed this to the World, every J/O that is looking to not get caught will just hit WT Place... Radios don't work - good to know! Anyplace else we oughta know about that's got a lot of stuff to jack?
Remember, Spring is in the air on Michigan Ave.
Exuberant, Amish youth are looking forward to a particularly violent and sadistic Rumspringa this year!
Knock out game, bitches!!!!!
CTA cameras recording young girls groped , old men beaten , robbed , victims stacked with machetes , elderly pushed down stairs for a cell phone
Wow what a great way to waste tax payers money
And now that CBS has blabbed this to the World, every J/O that is looking to not get caught will just hit WT Place... Radios don't work - good to know! Anyplace else we oughta know about that's got a lot of stuff to jack?
3/08/2018 08:13:00 PM
It would be the survellance video, were there to be anything remotely possible to actually result from the arrest of sticky fingered feral fuckers, which would have more of an effect on dissuasion....as it is, that very same video survellance does effectively discourage the effective applications of broken wrists, ankles and sundry other boney areas, on said sticky fingered you know whats......which would, effectively, slow them down for a bit of mending time......
"Shot spotters" still catching those bad guys? Jeez how can "everything" be a scam here?
3/08/2018 05:25:00 PM
Scam city
Slam city
Bam and wham and on the lam city
Damn city
Let's roll the dice.....
This can be corrected by adding a device called a booster (or radio relay) It ties in via fiber optic to the main comm system thereby boosting weak signals to the central dispatch. (OEMC). another fix is to PROGRAM THE DAMNED RADIOS TO HAVE THE CORRECT OUTPUT POWER of FOUR WATTS. I have reprogrammed MANY CPD radios that were turned down so as to conserve battery. This is NOT a good smart or safe move. Additionally, PO should invest in baofeng UV-82 Portables ( 35 dollars) that have SIX WATTS of out put and WILL work in Water Tower Place. I have field tested Baofengs all over the city INCLUDING THE UNDERGROUND GARAGES AND TUNNELS and these radios WORK.
Get caught with those and that's a write up. Personally witnessed a bike unit officer being written up for having the programmed boateng radio on him. But what you're saying totally makes sense it can be the difference between life and death, but the inspector DGAF.
Have a nice day.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This can be corrected by adding a device called a booster (or radio relay) It ties in via fiber optic to the main comm system thereby boosting weak signals to the central dispatch. (OEMC). another fix is to PROGRAM THE DAMNED RADIOS TO HAVE THE CORRECT OUTPUT POWER of FOUR WATTS. I have reprogrammed MANY CPD radios that were turned down so as to conserve battery. This is NOT a good smart or safe move. Additionally, PO should invest in baofeng UV-82 Portables ( 35 dollars) that have SIX WATTS of out put and WILL work in Water Tower Place. I have field tested Baofengs all over the city INCLUDING THE UNDERGROUND GARAGES AND TUNNELS and these radios WORK.
Get caught with those and that's a write up. Personally witnessed a bike unit officer being written up for having the programmed boateng radio on him. But what you're saying totally makes sense it can be the difference between life and death, but the inspector DGAF.
Have a nice day.
3/08/2018 11:03:00 PM
Hmm safety vs bullshit write up? I choose safety could careless about writing me up like we are in grade school! But then again so many bosses are like 3rd grade girls we have absolutely no respect for them, but they are a "laugh a minute" watch us laugh!!
The infrastructure for public safety radios were (and still is being upgraded). Federal funds were awarded to the City with a mandate that Public Safety be switched to digital years ago.
CFD went digital about 7/8 years ago and have gone through about 3 iderations of radios until the City ran out of federal funds. With all of it's flaws CFD decided communication is actually important and continued to try to fix the issues with the digital network for it's operations with whatever funds it could. Digital has it's benefits & Analog has it's benefits so CFD is using radio's and issued Ops orders on when to use certain channels (digital / analog) in order to get the best communication for the incident.
CFD & OEMC have been piece-mealing small grants to improve digital transmissions that included eliminating dead spots for the ambulance/hospital communications via fiber improving some of the hospital communication issues on the far south east end of the city.
However, all of this is a mute point if your department was never issued digital capable radio's...as it won't benefit anyone.
Anonymous said...
Did the Justice department include the radio problemin their list of problems to be corrected.? What type of radios do the Feds use? Maybe Rahm can take a little "TIF Funds" from everyone and buy the whole city new radios just like the Feds. Fr Faker could lead another protest down Michigan Ave to Water Tower pl. to stop the citizens from shopping there then go to the surburbs shopping for himself.
3/08/2018 09:53:00
The Feds use Motorola XTS,APX and other 4000 dollar (apiece) encrypted radios.
CPD does NOT need encryption. (maybe OCU and NARCOTICS)
A Simple fix is to add a few more RECEIVE sites down town to catch signals and repeat them to OEMC. (more ears listening) I read with interest the one post about checking output power of the radios. I too (a radio tech and former LEO in Mississippi) have found MANY CPD radios "dialed down" to nearly low power (1 watt). Why this is I cannot tell you, I dont know. ALL UHF portables in the field MUST be at at least 3.8 Watts of output power no more than 4.5 or you will burnout the radio. Literally. In mississippi, money was really tight, we had to buy our own radios. So we had many different brands on the band. The suggestion of carrying a Baofeng UV-82 is a good one and serves officer safety. With the correct accessories you can carry that radio UNDER your vest (to avoid inspector detection) and use an ear bud "covert" type mic set up if you need to use that radio. On the UV-82 the mic button has 2 positions. The upper is for the upper programmed channel (the zone) and the lower can be used for the "talk around" of the zone to your partner that the OEMC cannot hear OR record. With the optional extended battery (17 dollars) your radio will run for FIVE DAYS before it dies. I DARE you to tell me any CPD portable that can make it a full DAY without dying. If this was my shot to call, I would install receive sites down town and allow the use of personal radios for the officers. There is NO excuse for Dept equipment endangering your life. Ill go one further here for CPD guys. You buy a UV-82 and extended battery and I will program it fully for you at NO CHARGE. And FORGET inter op and starcom both of which are some techys masturbatory fantasy. Neither work and neither are reliable.
Stay safe guys. Please.
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