Wednesday, March 07, 2018

Big Punitive Damage

So much for a Federal Court having more brains than a local one:
  • PO went in the apartment with landlord on a CDTP call where the landlord opened the door for the PO. The Offender resisted arrest. The offender was tasered and sprayed with OC. Found NOT GUILTY. The same judge found a case before this one for resisting NOT GUILTY also. The judges and the public HATE us. The ex gf of offender gave a deposition that offender was told by POs he was under arrest. The jury chose to believe offender. The plaintiffs atty is an ex corp counsel ex states atty. The Sgt that responded to the 10-1 got $100,000 in punitive. The PO that showed up got $50,000 in punitive. The doctor where offender was treated testified offender has taser prong injuries that required ointment and a bandaids. No lasting injuries. The jury found punitive for unlawful entry, false arrest, excessive force, and malicious prosecution. The POS found on excessive force used OC and Taser. The Sgt just restrained his arm. The expert witness said the POs use of force was justified. In FEDERAL COURT the JURY chooses to believe the police or offender. It doesn’t have to make sense. You’re at the JURY’s mercy. $126,000 in compensatory against the city. $425,000 against 5 POs.
Now go out and get some ISR's!

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177 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok. Sounds good coming from a defendant in the case.. but what details are being left out here?? Me thinks many details left out. I’ve been through numerous civil trials, I know what’s what. I also know when there is more to the story...

3/07/2018 12:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who cares if this guy is damaging property. Landlord should have insurance anyways. 19p

3/07/2018 12:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I keep telling these idiots at the station quit parachuting. Something like this can put you in a trick bag you can’t talk or write your way out of. Some people never learn. If those ain’t your cuffs no need to be put on paper

3/07/2018 12:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ya, so... get out there and generate some ISR 's so that your cheating bossholes don't get yelled at during the COMPSTAT circus.
It's worth it, really.

3/07/2018 12:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Signed complaints by citizen victims are no longer gonna be enough for me. Give the victim his case report and tell him to go see a judge and get an arrest warrant or a summons for the offender.

3/07/2018 12:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't know the details of this case but if you damage something at the place you live at - no crime there. When your lease is up, you better fix it according to your agreement. Otherwise, landlord can file a civil case...

3/07/2018 12:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

GOOD read for those of you that do partake in the lost art.

https://www.leagle.com/decision/infdco20180216998

If you don't keep up on this silly type shit FOP AINT gonna read it to you.

3/07/2018 12:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hahahahahahaha. You knew it was coming for years and you’re suprised !!!!!! No go get them hard chargers

3/07/2018 12:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2 years 4 months.

3/07/2018 12:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In a few years, mega punative damages will be the standard.... anyone want this job?

3/07/2018 12:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I sure as hell hope an appeal is being filed as I type this!!

3/07/2018 12:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am so glad I retired 12 years ago. Go FETAL and stay safe.

3/07/2018 12:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm going to assume that the money was awarded more so because the judges, criminal and civil, felt that the POs shouldn't of even gone inside the apt. I believe the police made an honest mistake but.. but... if you enter someone's residence unjustified then the subject looks like the victim from the govt.Again police shouldn't be held punitively so shame on theit shitty lawyers

3/07/2018 01:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Keep doing police for all you idiots out there that think it won’t happen to you. Quick go get your dope arrest!

3/07/2018 01:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It sounds like a camera would have helped the Officers in this case!!!!

3/07/2018 01:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Me thinks there is more to the story that is being told.

3/07/2018 01:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why would you illegally enter a private residence just for a cdtp in a apartment with renters? This is a mattwr of rent security deposit and legal action when evicted. The landlord cant just unlock and open the door. What is the emergency? Its fact it was all for possible property damage!bad move on p.o.s but horrible jury award. Is there a go fund me? Coppers gonna sue the landlord?

3/07/2018 01:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How can the bosses consciously ask officers to go out there and bring them anything when stuff like this is happening and becoming more routine. The bosses should be out there on the news saying what a travesty this is and exactly why the police are not aggressively patrolling anymore.

3/07/2018 01:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Imagine responding to help an officer in a 10-1 and helping to get the offender under control by OC spraying him or something and then getting hit with these damages. What the fuck. Pretty soon nobody is going to help anyone anymore. I can unfortunately see that happening already.

3/07/2018 01:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow, just wow

3/07/2018 01:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is what we are up against. You try to do your best, maybe make an honest mistake, and BAM screwed for 100k. Everyone remember Eddie Johnson saying that department has our back and if we make an honest mistake they’ll stand by us?? This is perfect example. Where’s Eddie?? Where’s anyone? Nobody speaks up for us or helps us anymore. So now you know what’ll happen if you try to do the right thing and 12 people that have nothing to do with law enforcerment judge you.

3/07/2018 01:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Holy shit. Where is landlord as witness? Leave that shit to Team Dart.

3/07/2018 01:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Holy Shit! But I still need to get those ISRs and Traffic Stops, so the district meets the expected norms at the Comstat.

3/07/2018 01:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't let this discourage anyone. We still need to proactively police, deliver the numbers with a smile and know we are doing good. After all, Rahm has our back.

3/07/2018 01:36:00 AM  
Blogger I Fart In Your General Direction said...

Read the judgement/decision. Hate to say it, but the coppers fucked up. Plain and simple.

If you can't articulate exigency (amongst other things required to do this job) then you'd be wise to stop at dropping paper or a code and calling it a day.

All you hard chargers need to envision how it'd feel to see your paycheck garnished every two weeks, possibly for the rest of your career. Possibly cutting into your pension income depending on where you're at when you get that punitive ding.

100K punitive? I'll bet 70% of coppers don't have that much in Def Comp or other investments earmarked for retirement. Now these guys will essentially be funding some shitbag's existence instead of putting that loot towards a secure retirement.

This shit starting to sink in yet?

3/07/2018 01:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would not even know what to do on a call like that anymore.

3/07/2018 01:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Won't be taking out any taser that's for sure.

3/07/2018 01:47:00 AM  
Blogger dave said...

Pretty expensive to do your job these days

3/07/2018 02:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now remember when a lot of people were hollering about how the city should fight lawsuits and others were saying no so as not to be exposed to Chicago juries and judges?

3/07/2018 02:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Consider what has happened to the CPD and Chicago since Rahm Took Office:
-The Laquan video was hidden until just after his re-election. To this day, no reporter has ever looked the mayor in the eye and asked him in front of a camera, if he witnessed the video before the time it was publicly released. ("I'll see it when you see it" my ass. When the fuck did you first see it?)
-He pandered to BLM, later Antifa and their false and hateful national narrative.
-He initially resisted Obama DOJ then Rolled over like a lap dog for them to try rush a consent decree down our throats.
-He significantly reduced hiring to a point that we are unable to replace the losses in the next few years.
- He mastered the old CPD shell game of moving personnel to look like we are increasing numbers on the streets (we have not).
- He Brought Body Worn Cameras for everyone on the street (Except those that guard him and his home).
- He Implemented the ISR
- He Complicated the TRRs
- He Promises to Follow Obama DOJ Consent Degree, even though it was scrapped by current administration.
- He has not actually providing any real training.
- CPD still berates supervisors in Comstat meetings for increased amounts of traffic stops and ISRs, while trying to have it both ways by publicly stating there are no quotas.
-He told the Chicago Elite we were "fetal" but never admitted to any responsibility for that state of affairs.
-He merged districts for a "cost savings" headline to the detriment of many communities.
- He has led Chicago's staggering increase in crime these past two years, when compared to any objective criteria (Last 5, 10, 20, 25 years).
- He has witnessed Chicago's staggering dispersion of violent and property crime into downtown and most other neighborhoods, as the criminal element no longer fears travelling with a gun throughout the city to commit violence.
- He joined the left narrative against real justice in favor of so-called social justice - to reduce sentences, reduce bail and prison populations because they believe that they are not in jail because they committed crimes. Instead, they are there because of racist police or a racist institution, forgetting the fact that very many of our brothers and sisters in blue represent every race, religion, ethnicity and gender in the city. It doesn't matter- the left tells us we have at least implicit bias.
-Created COPA, while the City IG expands its oversight into the department And they create a separate Public Safety IG. At the same time, the mayor and city council quietly eliminate the inspector general for the city council. Those elder statesmen and learned ladies have never given us a reason to doubt their integrity.

I'm sure that I am forgetting some important ones. Frankly, I'm almost numb to it now. A great sergeant told me when I first started that this wasn't a job and it wasn't a career. Instead, it was a calling. A calling to protect the innocent and fight evil. I always believed that and I actually still do. Unfortunately, Rham has allowed the voices of one side of society that hate police and hate authority (unless it is in their hands) to be the only voice that matters. So the mayor should not be surprised when the very officers that answered the calling and fought for years, often risking their lives, will no longer proactively search for criminals that the state won't prosecute and the county won't jail.

3/07/2018 02:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This sounded like a civil matter to me. Not sure why the officers would enter the unit. But either way this is a whole new world and your insane to take this job. Best to make your escape now before your paying out.

3/07/2018 04:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Terrible.

You must be clinically out of your mind if you’re aspiring to be a CPD Sgt in this day and age. Good luck to whoever makes it — you’ll definietly need a lot of it!

3/07/2018 04:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You’re at the JURY’s mercy. $126,000 in compensatory against the city. $425,000 against 5 POs.

Where are all the fund raising events or media staged political appearances for these guys who were just doing their job? Oh that's right, much too low on the food chain...

3/07/2018 04:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

a landlord does not have authority to permit a search of his tenant's leasehold

3/07/2018 04:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shakespeare had it right, kill the lawyers

3/07/2018 05:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why are people bent out of shape about this? What is the FULL story? Common sense and knowing the law goes a long way. If said shitty tenant is damaging the apartment, he is allowed to. It’s HIS apartment HE is paying for. Just because he is renting, doesn’t mean the land lord can just let anyone in. If the place is damaged after he moves out, it’s a civil matter. Why would these PO’s think they could go into someone’s residence JUST because the land lord had a key? That’s why there are huge punitive damages. Everything after the fact of their illegal entry is unlawful, excessive, unnecessary, etc. “but but but, he is damaging the apartment.” Ok, evict said shit bag, after said shit bag is gone, civilly sue him for the damages and violating his lease. Period.

3/07/2018 05:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All you hard chargers need to envision how it'd feel to see your paycheck garnished every two weeks, possibly for the rest of your career. Possibly cutting into your pension income depending on where you're at when you get that punitive ding.


Subtract the punitive from what's left after your earned and agreed to pension is cut by 25% to 35% in 2028 and there might not be anything left.

3/07/2018 05:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I would not even know what to do on a call like that anymore.

3/07/2018 01:45:00 AM

Seek out and call to the scene the highest ranking merited exempt and put them on the paper, his sponsor may save your ass too...

3/07/2018 05:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Now go get that shine box"!

3/07/2018 05:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a typical case of coppers being afraid to tell someone that it is not a police matter and therefore feeling like they have to do something. It is a civil matter all the way and the police have not business illegally entering the apartment in the first place, landlord with key or no landlord with key. Hopefully the punitive damages will be vacated as they most often are.

3/07/2018 05:24:00 AM  
Blogger Baby"G" said...

Anyone who says: "There is more to this", or "I can't believe this happens, there must be more to this" is FULL OF SHIT! PAY ATTENTION, PAYOUTS ARE THE NAME OF THE GAME IN FEDERAL COURT, THOUGH NOT ALWAYS FOR PUNITIVE DAMAGES. Within the last ten days there was a case in Federal Court involving Glen Evans, the former Cmdr. of 011. A nothing, everyday in the Ghetto case, until it landed in Federal Court. Evans & a Sgt. are driving around, and they see an unlicensed liquor operation with loudspeakers and lines of people waiting to get in. Evans & the Sgt. confront the owner, an altercation breaks out, and the owner gets arrested with a few of the patrons. NO POLICE SHOW UP FOR COURT ON THE SECOND APPEARANCE, THE CASE IS TOSSED. Now in between all this and a few days ago, Evans goes through his drama, one of the officers gets fired for unrelated domestic shit. When the "Shitty" realizes that Evans is one of the defendants, and remember he too is suing the "Shitty" in a separate matter because of his demotion back to Lieutenant; the "Shitty" folds and pays out $150,000! The allegations were False Arrest, Unlawful Restraint, etc., etc.. Now if anyone thinks there is more to this story, or most of these stories that show abuse by the courts, and the Shitty's failure to fight these nonsense cases, let me suggest you show us How We Are Not Stating the Facts as They Occurred; or just shut the fuck up! The odds are stacked against the cops in these courts, plain and simple. Police officers have less credibility than the thugs in the eyes of jurors and judges. Restorative Justice is the New Rule of Law! Weiss had No Personality or Loyalty to CPD, but at least he fought these frivolous, bullshit lawsuits. Stay Safe, and never hesitate to call a Merit Supervisor! Baby "G"

3/07/2018 05:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Read the judgement/decision. Hate to say it, but the coppers fucked up. Plain and simple.

Don’t tell me the coppers f——k up responding to the 10-1! The system is f—ked!

3/07/2018 05:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you gotta go in front a jury your for sure will be getting fucked. These welfare queens and kings, SJW, and assorted other police haters outnumber the good jurors and this is what happens.

3/07/2018 06:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what is the district of occurrence?

3/07/2018 06:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

See how easy it is to step on your Johnson......

3/07/2018 06:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I Fart.....

I can’t find a link to the case. Since an officer involved brought this case up in a public forum, it is only fitting that we are able to read the decision ourselves. Do you have a link?

3/07/2018 06:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For those that don’t BELIEVE punitive damages are up because there are more police haters in society today .... and “it can’t happen to me because I’m doing my job right.”


http://projects.chicagoreporter.com/settlements/search/cases

3/07/2018 06:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ask for a call back. Nobody comes out, just code.

3/07/2018 06:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The landlord let you in? Hey dummy, this is basic 4th amendment shit. Tenants have a right to privacy. Sounds like you need an inservice training. Between insurance and security deposits, should’ve told slumlord tough titty.

3/07/2018 07:03:00 AM  
Blogger The Keesing Bandit said...

Punitive damages. That's when you stop helping the fools out there.

3/07/2018 07:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Based on what was told I don’t think the officers had the right to enter the apartment. Even the landlord cannot barge in without either a 24 or 48 hr notice to the tenant. Advise the landlord to initiate eviction process and advise you cannot enter without a warrant. Just cannot be gong ho out there. Do it by the book.

3/07/2018 07:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
I would not even know what to do on a call like that anymore.

3/07/2018 01:45:00 AM

Write a report. Explain law. Advise warrant. Never go rushing in anywhere unless you see someone gushing blood.

3/07/2018 07:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2:42 AM for comment of the year.

3/07/2018 07:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Been through the same sinario this is a civil matter. CIVIL MATTER. The city paid our sh—bag we were luck not to get punitive. City and department told us that this is a civil matter although we answer hundreds of these calls daily. 19P

3/07/2018 07:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This happened to me years ago, had to pay out $1,550 and I thought wtf and that was the day I found reality! Think about this these coppers may have some money saved in deferred,and that would be taken, or wages garnished for how many years? As the criminals in court laugh,shuck and jive your stuck with paying them, watching my wife and children cry when I lost the amount listed I cannot imagine the pain and suffering these poor street coppers are going through for just doing their jobs and doing them properly!

The city tells you your not indemnified from civil suits during course of your employment,but yet you see the young skulls full of mush coppers ripping and running everywhere for what? To catch that prize arrest that will get thrown out? With these pays out being out there watch how quickly the scum lawyers get the trials going and watch your hard earned career spiral downward as you cash is taken away, isn't this the democratic redistribution of wealth philosophy? Very sad protect each other may Almighty God bless these officers and help them to overturn this unjust verdict!!

3/07/2018 07:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Land lord tenent dispute is NOT criminal!
Never enter a persons residence unless to save a life.
The landlord pimped the officers & sergeant!
They stepped into shyt & now they are in the trickbag.

Take a step back and think next time!

3/07/2018 07:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I still want to get on tact.

3/07/2018 08:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Was there a problem with the case and didn’t go with the judge? Why did they go with a jury? You know it’s the same cook county candidate pool.

3/07/2018 08:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let’s just say that the initial coppers that showed up did mistakenly enter the apartment, how are the others that showed up to help on a 10-1 liable? And, those amounts for damages are ridiculous.

3/07/2018 08:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Even 2:42 AM would have to admit that Rhambo has kept busy.

3/07/2018 08:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I’m not from 020 and don’t know these officers or if this even applies to this situation.

Usually there are a few officers in every district that everyone knows are clueless to the point of being dangerous. Comments surrounding their legendary antics are, they will get someone killed, sued, fired for responding to their nonsense.

This lawsuit will reinforce that environment where people don’t routinely provide back up or respond to requests for help. It’s dangerous for everyone.

Supervisors need to do more then just press play on e-learning videos. Doesn’t matter if you do not want to be a sgt, you took the test & you are... every officer on your watch/team is a giant reflection of YOU & your ability to lead, manage and educate.

3/07/2018 08:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Juries hate CPD right now. Stop bitching that Corp Counsel settles cases and thank your lucky stars that your ass is not on the line if that happens.

3/07/2018 08:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Why would you illegally enter a private residence just for a cdtp in a apartment with renters? This is a mattwr of rent security deposit and legal action when evicted. The landlord cant just unlock and open the door. What is the emergency? Its fact it was all for possible property damage!bad move on p.o.s but horrible jury award. Is there a go fund me? Coppers gonna sue the landlord?

3/07/2018 01:14:00 AM

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Hey, I see your point, really I do. But what about the other side? How far does the law go to protect the shithead? How far will they fuck over the landlord? You already cannot evict a shithead in the winter in Cook Co. PERIOD. That's not the law, that's the judges. So a renter can completely tear apart an apartment without it being a criminal act? Just civil you say? I say Nay nay. It's both, as are most, if not all criminal actions.

My question is the obvious one: Is the city indemnifying these officers?

Another question/point: Is Legal Affairs putting out a General Order on this? Something along the lines of - Never enter an apartment, for any crime, unless allowed in by the renter himself, unless exigent circumstances exist - and here are the allowable exigent circumstances: a child is being harmed, etc. I personally think exigent circumstances existed in that waiting for a warrant would lead to excessive damage.

That being said, I am sure there is quite a bit I do not know as to what occurred here.

3/07/2018 08:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

https://www.leagle.com/decision/infdco20180216998

3/07/2018 08:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who was the Judge that found the offender not guilty??

3/07/2018 08:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Judgment was granted as a "matter of law," meaning the judge decided without it even going to a jury. There were no facts at issue. Seems pretty clear the officers were in the wrong. The Court said even if there was minor criminal damage going on in the apartment, that does not amount to exigent circumstances. SO the cops were in the wrong, clearly, but I still think this amounted to a ghetto lottery, as the shithead was not harmed all that much. You can't just get mad a an offender and think "I'll show him." Doesn't work. Don't make it personal.

3/07/2018 08:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Somebody has the name of the plaintiff on this or original date of the incident

3/07/2018 08:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Ok. Sounds good coming from a defendant in the case.. but what details are being left out here?? Me thinks many details left out. I’ve been through numerous civil trials, I know what’s what. I also know when there is more to the story...

3/07/2018 12:06:00 AM
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"Me thinks?" Go surmise elsewhere, good citizen.

3/07/2018 08:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From the appelate court ruling. "The police stepped into a landlord tenant dispute on the side of the landlord without knowing all the facts or understanding the situation. Even if the property damage allegations were true, minor damage to one apartment does not justify a warrantless entry into a different apartment"

3/07/2018 08:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

is this all true? can someone confirm

3/07/2018 08:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

100K punitive? I'll bet 70% of coppers don't have that much in Def Comp or other investments earmarked for retirement. Now these guys will essentially be funding some shitbag's existence instead of putting that loot towards a secure retirement.


Nah, file bankruptcy. You can avoid judgments in bankruptcy. $100k is enough to show hardship to get protection. Start running up the credit cards now and file in about 6 months to a year. Avoid those annoying attorneys fees too.

3/07/2018 09:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Slighted and biased jury sees opening a door is not an exigent reason to enter. That gives a feral Chicagoan the right to defend his shithole pissing ground by any means. Community immunity prevails.

Fqck the ISR (and the traffic stop), just report and advise warrants for Property related incidents.

If one is lucky they can pay off punitive awards in about 10 years, providing you send your keep your kids, avoid child support and send them to CPS.

Look at what and who you’re working for.
Day late and dollar short flat foot Special Ed would have formed a peace circle, though he’d arrive on scene 30 minutes late for a CDTP.

Ain’t no pity in Donkey City.

3/07/2018 09:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Read outcome at every roll call.

3/07/2018 09:08:00 AM  
Anonymous lar said...

tell me about it....

3/07/2018 09:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Policing is over! Secretary with a gun only. Do not arrest unless you have signed complaints already.

3/07/2018 09:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would not even know what to do on a call like that anymore.

That same thing you try to do on every job:

1: Stay calm.
2: Be polite and professional
3: Do as little as possible.

3/07/2018 09:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

02:42 response was awesome

3/07/2018 09:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"PO went in the apartment with landlord on a CDTP call where the landlord opened the door for the PO".
That first sentence alone just made me cringe. Why on earth are you entering an apartment a landlord opened up for CDTP? Check out the link that another commenter posted

https://www.leagle.com/decision/infdco20180216998

Just a lack of knowledge by the responding officers who wound up screwing over their coworkers. Stay safe out there.

3/07/2018 09:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let’s get some positive community interactions please. If your assigned to a beat do some isr cards too

3/07/2018 09:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Blogger I Fart In Your General Direction said...

Read the judgement/decision. Hate to say it, but the coppers fucked up. Plain and simple.

If you can't articulate exigency (amongst other things required to do this job) then you'd be wise to stop at dropping paper or a code and calling it a day.

All you hard chargers need to envision how it'd feel to see your paycheck garnished every two weeks, possibly for the rest of your career. Possibly cutting into your pension income depending on where you're at when you get that punitive ding.

100K punitive? I'll bet 70% of coppers don't have that much in Def Comp or other investments earmarked for retirement. Now these guys will essentially be funding some shitbag's existence instead of putting that loot towards a secure retirement.

This shit starting to sink in yet?

3/07/2018 01:37:00 AM
Your right 110% agreed, forgot the pension dip because that would equal a pay reduction, what is wrong with "Im the police" coppers lately? are the young or old to dumb to see in front of them? Are they to worried about the "big boss" who tells them he will back them up being upset when then have a relaxing tour and come in with zeros? In my career UI had to pay out 1 time I learned no 1 has your back,it was a small amount thank God but these juries and scum lawyers today want everything from the police!

Think about this in this totally corrupt city-state-county can a copper actually getting anything close to a fair and just trial? Of course not! The dishonest corrupt media will bash you, rahm will pull that ballerina fake style tears bullshit and cry and say "If it was my son/daughter,family," the revs will do anything and everything to destroy you and your family! Stay fetal, it is not what you dont do but what you "stupidly" (obamas college educated word), do that will get you in serious financial and possibly loss of freedom pain!

Ever had your family in civil court while your stating assets and liabilities? (Obviously not because your still running up and down ghetto streets for the boss),your in court looking at your family,as they tear up and your children whine "daddy,daddy,why" you look at them get choked up,as you watch the lawyers yucking it up,and the judge smiling knowing full well your toast! Oh and your indemnified for civil liabilities will the FOP give you a lawyer? When they do you can be sure it will be new law school graduate who will be with the criminals lawyers in the side box laughing as they explain to your lawyer how uit is going to work!

I adore the coppers who say "Your crazy I would never do that!" Yes keep saying that to yourself as you will be the next contestant on the winning chiraq game show "Lost my money, lost my career,lost me family,lost my freedom" Game show!

May the police be blessed by God!

3/07/2018 09:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Blogger IFIYGD said...

"Read the judgement/decision. Hate to say it, but the coppers fucked up. Plain and simple.

If you can't articulate exigency (amongst other things required to do this job) then you'd be wise to stop at dropping paper or a code and calling it a day.

All you hard chargers need to envision how it'd feel to see your paycheck garnished every two weeks...

~Snip~

This shit starting to sink in yet?"

3/07/2018 01:37:00 AM


>Long and low whistle of approval
A solitary slow clap echoes in the room<

These Coppers on the horns of punitive damages
are a side effect of common sense, experience and
institutional muscle memory being driven away from
CPD in the name of "Reform" and "Accountability."

Maybe if these poor slobs were clouted,
they wouldn't have been jammed like the
proverbial jelly roll.

Since the howls of "Defund da Poleece an' gibs
dey money to us!" more or less went unheeded,
said defunding WILL occur to Policemen on an
individual basis.

Protect yourselves only.

But that will only work if you're a
true student of the job.

Half ass will result in the entirety of
YOUR ASS being served up on a platter.

Look.
Laugh.
Leave.

Police Like You Have No Friends.



3/07/2018 10:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do something for the company. Lmao. Take a look at all the tact teams in the districts is it all low seniority?? Swipe in and swipe out that is all.

3/07/2018 10:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think when the situation gets out of hand and nobody wants to listen to a police officer opinion than a COPA investigator should be on duty and called to settle the problem. When the shit hits the fan the COPA investigator can either solve the problem or get his ass beat which ever comes first but at least CPD cannot be blamed for using inappropriate action and sued, it will fall to COPA because after they are trained investigators and know all the answers

3/07/2018 10:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you guys took the time to read the judgement and all proceeding in this case...you would know the coppers messed up once again. Everything isn't a target against CPD...ISP...or any other department. What looks good on paperwork is not always what happened. I'm sure a lot of you guys are aware of that. These street guys you choose to pick on are using the civil justice system against you, because you aren't properly doing your job. A extra blow to the head to "get offender under control" is starting to cost you guys a lot. Better start looking into other measures to retain control of those detain.

I agree CPD needs better training.

3/07/2018 10:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I read the opinion above. This was a dumb move on the part of the officers involved. Maybe the damages are outrageous, maybe not. That can be appealed. There is no doubt based on the fact finding by the court that they royally f ed up.

3/07/2018 10:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I took out a $1,000,000 liability policy from State Farm the other day. $134.00 a year. Hope I never need it but for the price, it's worth it.

3/07/2018 10:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

. A great sergeant told me when I first started that this wasn't a job and it wasn't a career. Instead, it was a calling. A calling to protect the innocent and fight evil. I always believed that and I actually still do. Unfortunately, Rham has allowed the voices of one side of society that hate police and hate authority (unless it is in their hands) to be the only voice that matters. So the mayor should not be surprised when the very officers that answered the calling and fought for years, often risking their lives, will no longer proactively search for criminals that the state won't prosecute and the county won't jail.

3/07/2018 02:42:00 AM



The feckless, having connived to possess the authorities to defile the fundamental basis of law, the original basis being:

1. This must be done.....or else....

&

2. This must not be done.....or else....


....have proceeded, for quite some time now, to mutate the base principle and purpose of law beyond all recognizable resemblence to the fundamental Right or Wrong, by absurdly expanding the specifically defined "must do & must not do" vastly past the quantity of sanity and thoroughly puked on in their twisted qualities.

This is what those who truly seek to protect have to remain constantly aware of.

Even the formerly respected "discretionary" of each enforcer of law has been deformed, distorted, defiled and degraded, by both the law makers, law enforcers, law prosecutors and law adjudicators, which, regardless of motive, purpose, intent or sincere misconception, produce this mutt stew of absurdities.

The best a sincere seeker to protect can do is remain solid in the fundemental purpose: Protect from Taking & Breaking.

Every other mickeymouse bullshit distraction from the fundamental purpose is an opportunity to be deviated from that basic purpose.

We exist in a truly vexing house of mirrors, akin to being trapped within an ever changing 3 dimensional kaleidoscope, point of reference never remaining constant, with randomly timed shit balls whizzing by.

The reliable point of reference for the seeker to protect is just that; your solidity in your chosen purpose.

3/07/2018 10:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2:42 am great comment !! Your comment should be printed on the cover of all the Chicago fish wrappers . People should know this

3/07/2018 11:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hold on the one thing that needs to come under scrutiny here isn't hard charging or any of that repetitive shit I see being commented on the daily here.

ITS WHY THE FUCK IS THIS A POLICE MATTER IN THE FIRST PLACE!!

The amount of calls for service that we have to go to is so absurd at this point its no wonder why something like this was bound to happen.

Just because you call for the police doesn't mean you should get them. They need to start vetting the policy at the OEMC to only bring police in on police matters when a crime has or is about to be committed. THAT'S IT...

No more bullshit property ownership, ems (unless death or gbh), Mcdonalds wont give my change back, and plenty of others I'm forgetting. Stop sending us to these civil matters and putting us in the trick back and the burnout unit.

3/07/2018 11:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Notice please, even SCCsays cops went in on A CALL, which is not the same as going in on A WARRANT.

See, its like i keep telling you, warrants protect cops every bit as much as they protect every other person cops deal with.

THAT is what juries are turnung on. People are nailing actions taken, violence done, rights set aside, without a WARRANT.

Wanna solve the drama?

Get. A. WARRANT.

Juries will respond appropriately when you do so.

3/07/2018 11:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, not a good idea to put put half truths and non facts. This is not at all what happened and the verdicts are totally incorrect. The spreading of false info does nothing but hurt the men and women on this job.

3/07/2018 11:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Holy Crap 100K+. WTF. Is this a CPD incident?

3/07/2018 11:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To: 3/07/2018 02:42:00 AM
Thank you, Maam/Sir. Well said.

3/07/2018 11:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You will sacrifice your well being and that of your children for the greater good of the City of Chicago.

Maybe these guys can do some VRI to pay back the grieved party.

3/07/2018 11:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Guys, come on! A landlord cannot allow you into a tenant's unit. We all learned that in the academy.

3/07/2018 11:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Perfect example of why I quit doing any police work!

Stay fetal my friends!

Fuck Chicago and this police dept.

Da Pelon

3/07/2018 12:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Look around talk to other coppers many have been found liable, beat coppers,tact, detectives hmm but never the big bosses strange how that works! Go get them kid and then you do and they are nowhere to be found! Typical as they retire with big pension bump, undeserved gold braid pension and your left to languish in limbo,maybe 311 and your salary is garnished for a thug incredible. The answer to this is stop doing anything resembling old school new school police work we lost pandering democrats won get used to it! Collect that check,family first,take care of blue this is the corruption people voted for you get what you ask for!

3/07/2018 12:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I keep telling these idiots at the station quit parachuting. Something like this can put you in a trick bag you can’t talk or write your way out of. Some people never learn. If those ain’t your cuffs no need to be put on paper

**********************

Best comment I've seen in a while. I agree with you 100%!!

3/07/2018 12:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Keep working boys and girls. Next time someone posts the Commander of so and so unit is a nice guy and everyone should produce something for him maybe you can remember this. No commander or Lt has paid punitive damages as far as I know.

3/07/2018 12:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a westside landlord and PO unless the tenant is doing something destructive to the structure ie ripping huge holes in drywall, overflowing water on purpose I would simply evict him.

3/07/2018 12:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The female officer that started the whole thing is a bit of a goof. She does work her beat but doesn’t know how to talk to citizens and again is a goofball.
She should sell her house to pay the other officers damages. She should do the right thing because she dragged everyone else into her bullshit.
Should have 19-P the job from the lobby. Civil matter between the landlord and his tenant. She had no right to enter that apartment and arrest that shitbag, for what?
The other officers and Sergeant that responded to her call for an assist have no choice but help. The Sergeant shouldn’t have backed her up, he should have wrote her up and released shitbag without charging and been done with it. If you don’t agree with me, I don’t care you weren’t there.

3/07/2018 01:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

bada bing! the rhamfather must be questioned in legrier case

3/07/2018 01:24:00 PM  
Blogger Don Curtis said...

Federal Juries are made up of the same group of people that make up city, county and state juries.

Generally not the highest caliber of citizen. Clearly NOT "peers."

3/07/2018 01:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

0242am -your post is spot on accurate.

3/07/2018 01:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is this one from 020? If not there is a very similar case from 020 where POs had to payout too.

3/07/2018 01:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Ok. Sounds good coming from a defendant in the case.. but what details are being left out here?? Me thinks many details left out. I’ve been through numerous civil trials, I know what’s what. I also know when there is more to the story...

3/07/2018 12:06:00 AM

X 2

3/07/2018 01:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Similar to my federal law suit, without the taser, but same allegations. Jury believed half of offenders story even though she was impeached multiple times. She was awarded 15k for unlawful entry on a battery IP call and unlawful arrest. A lot of people hate the police. Glad punitive damages was taken out right before the trial.

3/07/2018 01:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Know the law. Understand tenant rights. It's all fruit from the poisoned tree.
Total lack of training.

3/07/2018 02:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


cook county judge James O'Hara has just ordered the nine digit midget to undergo a deposition hearing.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-mayor-emanuel-deposition-police-shooting-20180307-story.html#nt=oft13a-1gp1

3/07/2018 02:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This was a warrantless entry and clear violation of rights of the plaintiffs. CDTP doesn't equate to exigency. The landlord cannot open a door to circumvent the law. While the landlord owns the building, when someone is renting they are the owner of the apartment until evicted. The 4th amendment protects any tenant from unreasonable search and seizure and can even sign complaints against the lanlord for criminal trespass. A landlord cannot inspect a property without proper notice and permission of the tenant. A landlord cannot use the police to circumvent the law either.

Lets say the landlord has permission to enter the premise from the tenant. If the tenant destroyed the property, it's a civil matter. It's not a crime to destroy the property you are renting.

There was no reason for the police to be there. There was no reason for the police to enter the apartment. There was no reason for there to be an arrest. 19O/P that Landlord tenant dispute.

If you are are a lanlord, don't expect me to come to your shit. It's your fault. Screen your tenants. Evict them the legal way.

3/07/2018 02:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

003 district midnights are masters of this type of fuckery. You dummies aren’t gonna have to worry about who’s working the 06 car when you get socked with those punitive damages. Keep up the good work and getting RJ numbers

3/07/2018 02:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Even though landlord has key its not his apartment, you still need search warrant to enter unless someone's life is in danger. Just because goof is smashing landlords walls doesn't mean you can enter. Case Report- that's what security deposits are for..

3/07/2018 03:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sounds like more training might be in order. Glad to see abused citizen getting fair share.

3/07/2018 03:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Since when can a landlord let cops into a tennent's space without permission or a warrant? This is just dumb on the part of the cops and shows a lack of understanding of the constitutional limits placed on police actions.

Short of real exigent circumstances, get a warrant or permission.

3/07/2018 03:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If appealed given the mood in city courts amount would likely be increased. Know when to hold them know when to fold them. Shut up and write check.

3/07/2018 03:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I took out a $1,000,000 liability policy from State Farm the other day. $134.00 a year. Hope I never need it but for the price, it's worth it.
===============
Will be helpful if you have a car crash and the damages you do to someone exceeds your liability limits. Won't do you any good for this kind of thing.

3/07/2018 03:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Damn another reason to raise taxes. The Mayor will blame legal system for the outrageous settlements, those same courts he controls. No choice but to raise property taxes to cover checks and hire more incompetent police that will cause more checks to be written. Never ending cycle in Windy City, it is after all the Chicago Way.

3/07/2018 03:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would not even know what to do on a call like that anymore.
===========
Given there is nothing the law allows you to do in such a case the answer is that you do nothing. If you don't understand that, perhaps remedial training is in order.

If you truly do not know this, it speaks volumes about the poor training and supervision you have received.

If what you really mean is you think you should be able to do "something" to mitigate every undesirable situation you might come across, it speaks volumes about your poor understanding of what police work is.

3/07/2018 03:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let’s just say that the initial coppers that showed up did mistakenly enter the apartment, how are the others that showed up to help on a 10-1 liable?
============
Are you trying to claim all the coppers that showed up were completely clueless about when they are allowed to enter someone's domicile?

3/07/2018 03:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

https://chicago.suntimes.com/chicago-politics/cpd-internal-affairs-looking-into-swat-officers-serious-injuries-in-training/?utm_campaign=Chicago+Sun-Times&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=1520456375

Here we go

3/07/2018 03:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just read the case review and it’s not good for the coppers on the scene. The 70-80’s days f “we’re the police” are long gone. If you’re going to survive today it’s time to adapt and improvise

3/07/2018 03:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Land lord tenent dispute is NOT criminal!
Never enter a persons residence unless to save a life.
The landlord pimped the officers & sergeant!
They stepped into shyt & now they are in the trickbag.

Take a step back and think next time!

3/07/2018 07:56:00 AM

Maybe the land lord and the tenant were in cahoots. All could be orchestrated by the two and now they are splitting the money.

3/07/2018 03:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So much Law.
So little Justice.

3/07/2018 03:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sounds like the police were in fact wrong. Just learn from it and move on.

3/07/2018 03:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


If you guys took the time to read the judgement and all proceeding in this case...you would know the coppers messed up once again

***

Thanks for the enlightening thoughts and advice. What do you do for work? I want to chime in with criticism and advice even though I never lived a day in your shoes. What people like you failed understand is that policing never looks pretty. There are always unhappy parties. Believe it or not, people don’t like going to jail. No amount of training will remove that variable and the fact that cops often make split second decisions, often times involving violent offenders. We don’t know their intent, capabilities, background or weaponry. However, I will listen to you wuse master. I will stay fetal and let you deal with the criminals. They’re the good ones, right?

3/07/2018 04:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I took out a $1,000,000 liability policy from State Farm the other day. $134.00 a year. Hope I never need it but for the price, it's worth it.

3/07/2018 10:48:00

And, what does it cover? What doesn't it cover?

3/07/2018 04:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Isn't there an on-line CPD legal bulletin covering this stuff?

3/07/2018 04:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I took out a $1,000,000 liability policy from State Farm the other day. $134.00 a year. Hope I never need it but for the price, it's worth it.

3/07/2018 10:48:00 AM

You'd better check the coverage. Pretty sure that only covers negligence and accidents, but not punitive. And it may not cover anything work related.

3/07/2018 05:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree CPD needs better training.

3/07/2018 10:41:00 AM


Please just stop.

Better thinking is what each and every one individually needs.

Not the bullshit propaganda from "training", long ago infested by the feckless and defined by the connivers.

Think.....before you act.

3/07/2018 05:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Had a couple ride-alongs from the Munich Germany police department, they said their academy is 4 years long, most of which is law training...

3/07/2018 05:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let’s get some positive community interactions please. If your assigned to a beat do some isr cards too

3/07/2018 09:36:00 AM



Okay, you get a bone of attention.........

3/07/2018 05:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That same thing you try to do on every job:

1: Stay calm.
2: Be polite and professional
3: Do as little as possible.

3/07/2018 09:24:00 AM



Bingo.

3/07/2018 05:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A personal liability umbrella policy with State Farm excludes work related and would NOT cover liability on this

3/07/2018 05:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Insurance will not cover punitive damages if the misconduct is committed by the insured.

Bankruptcy does not discharge punitive damages that are wilful or malicious.

If a P.O. gets hit with punitive damages subject to a Section 1983 action, both of these factors will be present. You will pay any final judgment ordered by the court.

Know the law boys and girls.

3/07/2018 05:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That being said, I am sure there is quite a bit I do not know as to what occurred here.

3/07/2018 08:34:00 AM


You choose to engage in the business of rental property, especially residential, you accept the same risks as welcoming a truly unknowable person into your valued asset.

Backgrounds have limited value.

Section 8 profiteers roll the dice, every time.

Ditto to the rehab on the cheap and pay me monthly in cash hustlers.

Residential rentals is always dealing with people......and, as a wise someone once said, "....and you know what stinkers they are.....".

Not a police problem.

3/07/2018 05:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Even 2:42 AM would have to admit that Rhambo has kept busy.

3/07/2018 08:23:00 AM


Like a colony of termites, al in one prescious package.....

3/07/2018 05:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Write a report. Explain law. Advise warrant. Never go rushing in anywhere unless you see someone gushing blood.

3/07/2018 07:20:00 AM


Nice point on the gushing.....undeniable evidence of heart still beating, however briefly.....thus, ya gotta do something.....seriously.....

3/07/2018 05:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I took out a $1,000,000 liability policy from State Farm the other day. $134.00 a year. Hope I never need it but for the price, it's worth it.

^Is that the personal liability umbrella insurance? Im getting it also. Please clarify.

3/07/2018 06:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

. It sounds like these officers did not act with malice. They lacked the knowledge to properly handle this type of incident. A portion of roll call everyday is training. Are the supervisors in the 20th.District providing training?

3/07/2018 06:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I took out a $1,000,000 liability policy from State Farm the other day. $134.00 a year. Hope I never need it but for the price, it's worth it.

It WILL NOT cover this or if you shoot someone

3/07/2018 06:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Adding to 2:42’s great post;
Rahm publicly admitted that a “code of silence” existed within the police department, severely damaging the Corp Counsels ability to defend coppers in civil litigation.
Gave preference points to CPS grads, forcing every kid on the northwest and southwest side to wait in line behind all these CPS scholars for jobs.

3/07/2018 06:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Anonymous Anonymous said...

I took out a $1,000,000 liability policy from State Farm the other day. $134.00 a year. Hope I never need it but for the price, it's worth it.

3/07/2018 10:48:00 AM

Punitive damages can not be covered by insurance by Illinois law. It comes out of YOUR pocket only (or from your benefit party).

3/07/2018 07:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Punching holes in the wall.....

he ain't damaging, he's decorating.

Civil matter.

3/07/2018 07:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How much hard earned money will the attorneys collect? Im sorry, confiscate for legal fees.

Lifetime federally appointed judges will earn those awards from the bar association with accolades for steering big money to the less fortunate lawyers who don't wear those coveted politically appointed federal black robes.

Do we want a orderly society or "jackpots" for lawbreakers and big payout lawyers seeking to be the newest member to join the 1% with a bump of a gavel by the a social justice sympathetic judge.

The time has come for tort reform.

3/07/2018 07:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Exactly why I'm not doing jack shit on this job from now until retirement. Fuck Rahm and fuck this democratic run shit hole of a crooked leftist sanctuary city. As soon as I retire, the house is going up for sale and I'm out of this fucking shit state altogether.

3/07/2018 08:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think police officers today might have to start taking out their own errors and omissions liability insurance, but I don't know what company issues such policies. A 1 million policy would probably cost around 700 per year

3/07/2018 09:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
. It sounds like these officers did not act with malice. They lacked the knowledge to properly handle this type of incident. A portion of roll call everyday is training. Are the supervisors in the 20th.District providing training?

3/07/2018 06:40:00 PM

typical, blame the supervisors!
when is it time to look in the mirror and be responsible for your OWN actions???

3/07/2018 09:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Isn't there an on-line CPD legal bulletin covering this stuff?

3/07/2018 04:55:00 PM

training bulletins, directives, city code, illinois compiled statutes, case law, etc. ... everything is there but you actually have to read it.

3/07/2018 10:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mental calls should be handled by the fire department, not CPD. Is there a reason why cpd has to handle them they are medically unstable for the most part. Shouldn’t CFD handle instead.

3/07/2018 10:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Channel 7 news 1005pm 7thuestuins
Said Mayor will have to testify wuthin 30 days under oath and Supt will have yo testify within week regarding communication and questions in the Lagrier case.hmmmm this could get interesting :))

3/07/2018 10:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
. It sounds like these officers did not act with malice. They lacked the knowledge to properly handle this type of incident. A portion of roll call everyday is training. Are the supervisors in the 20th.District providing training?

3/07/2018 06:40:00 PM

More like training on their cycles

3/07/2018 10:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Others keep telling officers to stay safe and don't be stupid out there, I will not be buying any tickets for goofs. My money will be better spent elsewhere. Move out of the land of leaving!

3/07/2018 11:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
. It sounds like these officers did not act with malice. They lacked the knowledge to properly handle this type of incident. A portion of roll call everyday is training. Are the supervisors in the 20th.District providing training?



At the 020 District, a supervisor told roll call that the POs should not have to call for a supervisor, that the POs should know the job, and that if the POs called for a supervisor, and the supervisor feels the PO should know what to do, but called a supervisor instead, the supervisor would write the PO up and try to make sure the PO took time.

3/08/2018 02:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I talked to one of the guys who had got stuck with punitives on this case. yes, boys and girls it is f---ed up. fact, policewomen engages landlord in conversation as 1st unit on scene. landlord states damage to drywall by shithead slamming door when contractors there hanging drywall, whatever. landlord states I want him locked up for crmnl damage on a signed complaint. landlord opens door to shithead apt. policewomen enters shithead apt. shithead states to policewomen , why r u in my apt. policewomen states u r under arrest for crmnl damage to property(on signed complaint).policewomen gets one cuff on, fight is on , she tases shithead, only one prong hits mark, fight on -police women on ground shithead dragging her into bathroom , policewomen calls on radio for more cars. never is it a ten one or r the words ten one used on air or p-cad. sgt. , wagon(original unit assigned job) other pos arrive to help policewomen screaming for help. case goes to court (msdmnr cook county) found not guilty resisting , crmnl damage to property. shithead sues in fed crt, gets ex corp counsl /states attrny. shithead lawyer brings out inconsistencies regarding time lines , tasering time lines ,etc.. po on stand states I answered a ten one , shithead lawyer states , show me officer where ten one langage used in 911 tapes or p-cad event. that language never used and other inconsistencies allow shithead lawyer to convince jury that police/landlord in a conspiracy against my client. jury buys bulls---, hook ,line and sinker. thus punative against all involved. fact - bankruptcy will not discharge punitive damage award. fact if city doesn't appeal immediately officers on the hook for damages. fact- if shithead says , screw officers they can stick it where it don't shine I'm willing to go to appeal and the appeal is successful , officers stuck. question - what happens when the day comes and juries say pay 1 million in punitives, then what? also state farm does sell a 1 million policy for false arrest but don't know ins and outs of policy but will call my agent soon. let u guys know. signed the has been real poorlice.

3/08/2018 02:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FOP needs to address punitive damages at legislature where in officers can buy some sort of malpractice insurance. Of course premium to be paid by City.

3/08/2018 07:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 3/08/2018 02:36:00 AM.....all that is dandy, but the bottom line is that the P.O. made a warrantless entry. Signed complaints don’t mean you can enter someone’s dwelling without their consent. And for what? For a hole in the wall. No exigent circumstance. P.O. violated shithead’s 4 th amendment right and everything that happened after that violation is thrown out or means nothing. You do support the Constitution I hope? If POs don’t understand this they will keep finding themselves in these situations. Just because a landlord says that he wants tenant arrested doesn’t mean we have to break the law to get it done.

3/08/2018 07:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Exactly why I'm not doing jack shit on this job from now until retirement. Fuck Rahm and fuck this democratic run shit hole of a crooked leftist sanctuary city. As soon as I retire, the house is going up for sale and I'm out of this fucking shit state altogether.

3/07/2018 08:10:00 PM

Officer(s) broke the law. Has got nothing to do with anything else.

3/08/2018 07:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So thirsty for that head. Time to slow down old timers.

3/08/2018 08:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

so let me get this straight - one cop entered the apartment wrongly and the responding cops - just helping her from getting her ass kicked are on the hook now? Were they supposed to wait outside in the hallway?

3/08/2018 08:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Blogger I Fart In Your General Direction said...

Read the judgement/decision. Hate to say it, but the coppers fucked up. Plain and simple.

If you can't articulate exigency (amongst other things required to do this job) then you'd be wise to stop at dropping paper or a code and calling it a day.

All you hard chargers need to envision how it'd feel to see your paycheck garnished every two weeks, possibly for the rest of your career. Possibly cutting into your pension income depending on where you're at when you get that punitive ding.

100K punitive? I'll bet 70% of coppers don't have that much in Def Comp or other investments earmarked for retirement. Now these guys will essentially be funding some shitbag's existence instead of putting that loot towards a secure retirement.

This shit starting to sink in yet?

3/07/2018 01:37:00 AM
Your right 110% agreed, forgot the pension dip because that would equal a pay reduction, wha

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huh? you don't think if you owe $1MM they cannot touch your pension? Is that what you are saying? You're nuts. This is a private citizen taking your pension, not the state, thus the Il COnst does not even apply. COme on now.

3/08/2018 08:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Signed complaint does NOT give you the right to enter someone’s home

3/08/2018 10:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So when I respond to my next 10-1 who do I stop and ask if the officers being injured or in trouble are properly doing there job and didn’t make a mistake or unlawful arrest ? Do you help? Or do you get fired for not helping and being a coward ? Idk what they expected these officers to do that assisted during the 10-1 but why should I or anyone be ordered to pay when I assisted on the basis of a 10-1 not a landlord tenant dispute . How could a jury hold me liable for that and how could a judge order them to pay on these basis when they have a duty to assist an officer during an arrest especially when you don’t know what originated the call or what led to the arrest . Are we to stop and get all the facts before we respond to 10-1 now?

3/08/2018 12:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
I talked to one of the guys who had got stuck with punitives on this case. yes, boys and girls it is f---ed up. fact, policewomen engages landlord in conversation as 1st unit on scene. landlord states damage to drywall by shithead slamming door when contractors there hanging drywall, whatever. landlord states I want him locked up for crmnl damage on a signed complaint. landlord opens door to shithead apt. policewomen enters shithead apt. shithead states to policewomen , why r u in my apt. policewomen states u r under arrest for crmnl damage to property(on signed complaint).policewomen gets one cuff on, fight is on , she tases shithead, only one prong hits mark, fight on -police women on ground shithead dragging her into bathroom , policewomen calls on radio for more cars. never is it a ten one or r the words ten one used on air or p-cad. sgt. , wagon(original unit assigned job) other pos arrive to help policewomen screaming for help. case goes to court (msdmnr cook county) found not guilty resisting , crmnl damage to property. shithead sues in fed crt, gets ex corp counsl /states attrny. shithead lawyer brings out inconsistencies regarding time lines , tasering time lines ,etc.. po on stand states I answered a ten one , shithead lawyer states , show me officer where ten one langage used in 911 tapes or p-cad event. that language never used and other inconsistencies allow shithead lawyer to convince jury that police/landlord in a conspiracy against my client. jury buys bulls---, hook ,line and sinker. thus punative against all involved. fact - bankruptcy will not discharge punitive damage award. fact if city doesn't appeal immediately officers on the hook for damages. fact- if shithead says , screw officers they can stick it where it don't shine I'm willing to go to appeal and the appeal is successful , officers stuck. question - what happens when the day comes and juries say pay 1 million in punitives, then what? also state farm does sell a 1 million policy for false arrest but don't know ins and outs of policy but will call my agent soon. let u guys know. signed the has been real poorlice.

State Farm does not pay for job related claims. It’s not covered if it’s job related and you are working. Homeowners covers claims related to your property or personal life, not work. Another fact. Umbrella policy only covers the amount above your coverage limit on an approved or covered claim or policy. If you aren’t covered for the claim, umbrella pays nothing. False arrest coverage covers things like having neighbor arrested for a land dispute or a battery on your property, not an arrest when you are working for CPD

3/08/2018 01:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the case settles, it's on the city's dime. If it goes to trial and they get punitive damages, it's on your dime. And you can't insure on punitive damages.
Lesson: City can roll the dice on a jury, and taxpayers pay. You roll the dice on a jury, and you might have to pay.
Settle that case. You better believe Rahm's gonna settle that case where he was just ordered to testify. He's no fool. Don't be a fool.

3/08/2018 02:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Exactly why I'm not doing jack shit on this job from now until retirement. Fuck Rahm and fuck this democratic run shit hole of a crooked leftist sanctuary city. As soon as I retire, the house is going up for sale and I'm out of this fucking shit state altogether.

3/07/2018 08:10:00 PM

Officer(s) broke the law. Has got nothing to do with anything else.
3/08/2018 07:47:00 AM

I wondered how long it would take until Rahm's minions commented. O747hrs, you're transparent as glass.

3/08/2018 04:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Was it a 10-1 or not? Court document said no one came over radio with 10-1.

3/08/2018 04:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Resisting arrest is illegal even if the arrest itself is false. The only one with any liability should be the PO who entered the apartment.

The only time you really are making an arrest on a landlord-tenant dispute is when you arrest the landlord for not signing an ANOV when turning off utilities or changing locks.

Don't listen to some asshole copper that owns buildings...if the utilities are off or a lockout had occurred and the landlord is on scene, order him to turn them on. That's is your responsibility in enforcing the landlord-tenant ordinance. You are also supposed to issue a anon regardless of weather or not the landlord ends the lockout or restores utility service.

Do yourself a favor and read the general order its titled surprisingly "landlord-tenat disputes." Your responsibilities are laid out there.

3/08/2018 06:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Signed complaint does NOT give you the right to enter someone’s home

3/08/2018 10:29:00 AM
Just because you have signed complaints doesn't mean you can make an arrest. Did you forget this little part from the academy? Probable Cause. Without probable cause you can stick your signed complaints in your ass. You think that piece of paper will keep you out of federal court then you best get back to the academy and start over.

3/08/2018 07:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Write report. Advise summons procedures. Done.

3/08/2018 09:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Was it a 10-1 or not? Court document said no one came over radio with 10-1.

3/08/2018 04:48:00

It appears to be a case of words. What the difference between a “police officer needs help” and a 10-1. Nothing
When you deal with a jury they have no idea of the police world and because he testified to responding to a 10-1 and there was not the word 10-1 used they thought he was lying?

3/08/2018 11:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20105901/calculating-how-much-money-oj-simpson-made-nfl-pension-prison-nevada

They can’t touch OJ pension even though he has a 33 million dollar judgement against him

3/08/2018 11:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Signed complaint does NOT give you the right to enter someone’s home

3/08/2018 10:29:00 AM
Just because you have signed complaints doesn't mean you can make an arrest. Did you forget this little part from the academy? Probable Cause. Without probable cause you can stick your signed complaints in your ass. You think that piece of paper will keep you out of federal court then you best get back to the academy and start over.

3/08/2018 07:03:00 PM

Clearly you are agreeing with the original author even thought it appears you are slamming his statement. It says “NOT”. Maybe you should go back to grade school and brush up with your English comprehension skills.

3/09/2018 07:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
To 3/08/2018 02:36:00 AM.....all that is dandy, but the bottom line is that the P.O. made a warrantless entry. Signed complaints don’t mean you can enter someone’s dwelling without their consent. And for what? For a hole in the wall. No exigent circumstance. P.O. violated shithead’s 4 th amendment right and everything that happened after that violation is thrown out or means nothing. You do support the Constitution I hope? If POs don’t understand this they will keep finding themselves in these situations. Just because a landlord says that he wants tenant arrested doesn’t mean we have to break the law to get it done.

3/08/2018 07:41:00 AM

You are correct. However,no Policeman could ever stand by and let another PO take a beating.

3/09/2018 08:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Signed complaint does NOT give you the right to enter someone’s home

3/08/2018 10:29:00 AM
Just because you have signed complaints doesn't mean you can make an arrest. Did you forget this little part from the academy? Probable Cause. Without probable cause you can stick your signed complaints in your ass. You think that piece of paper will keep you out of federal court then you best get back to the academy and start over.

3/08/2018 07:03:00 PM

Clearly you are agreeing with the original author even thought it appears you are slamming his statement. It says “NOT”. Maybe you should go back to grade school and brush up with your English comprehension skills.

3/09/2018 07:37:00 AM
Hey slick, I was speaking to the comments throughout the thread that spoke of signed complaints. It had NOTHING to do with the original author. Maybe YOU should go back to grammar school!

3/10/2018 01:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is hard for me to comment on this matter as I was not at the original incident and I did not hear any court testimony. But, on its surface, it appears to be a failure of the defense attorneys to properly prepare the witnesses and defendants for trial testimony and to prepare his case.

3/10/2018 05:28:00 PM  
Blogger awfulorv said...

In the mid sixties, in Oakland, a perp was in a gun battle with police and killed an officer.
He was sentenced to death but, in 72 was changed to life.
He was let out on parole around 82 and it wasn't six months later he was in another shoot em up with police, and sent away again. Around 1990 he was once again let out on parole, and again, a few months later was involved in another shoot out with police. But this time HE WAS ALLOWED TO GO FREE ON HIS OWN RECOGNIZANCE!!! It really happened, in Oakland, of all places.

3/10/2018 10:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Blogger Baby"G" said...
Anyone who says: "There is more to this", or "I can't believe this happens, there must be more to this" is FULL OF SHIT! PAY ATTENTION, PAYOUTS ARE THE NAME OF THE GAME IN FEDERAL COURT, THOUGH NOT ALWAYS FOR PUNITIVE DAMAGES. Within the last ten days there was a case in Federal Court involving Glen Evans, the former Cmdr. of 011. A nothing, everyday in the Ghetto case, until it landed in Federal Court. Evans & a Sgt. are driving around, and they see an unlicensed liquor operation with loudspeakers and lines of people waiting to get in. Evans & the Sgt. confront the owner, an altercation breaks out, and the owner gets arrested with a few of the patrons. NO POLICE SHOW UP FOR COURT ON THE SECOND APPEARANCE, THE CASE IS TOSSED. Now in between all this and a few days ago, Evans goes through his drama, one of the officers gets fired for unrelated domestic shit. When the "Shitty" realizes that Evans is one of the defendants, and remember he too is suing the "Shitty" in a separate matter because of his demotion back to Lieutenant; the "Shitty" folds and pays out $150,000! The allegations were False Arrest, Unlawful Restraint, etc., etc.. Now if anyone thinks there is more to this story, or most of these stories that show abuse by the courts, and the Shitty's failure to fight these nonsense cases, let me suggest you show us How We Are Not Stating the Facts as They Occurred; or just shut the fuck up! The odds are stacked against the cops in these courts, plain and simple. Police officers have less credibility than the thugs in the eyes of jurors and judges. Restorative Justice is the New Rule of Law! Weiss had No Personality or Loyalty to CPD, but at least he fought these frivolous, bullshit lawsuits. Stay Safe, and never hesitate to call a Merit Supervisor! Baby "G"

3/07/2018 05:32:00 AM

The money doled out to plaintiffs lawsuits has more to do with politics than anything else. Everyone is cared to mention the name of the big bad scary states attorney/corp counsel/plaintiffs attorneys that got the judgment and punitives against the officers in the 20th district case.
I don't know why. She's a public official of the court. The case is public record Her name is Torreya Hamilton.
Hamilton likes to brag about her " good cop" ex CPD father on her website. Heh. I knew her dad way back when. If she only knew.
Torreya Hamilton is also representing retired CPD commander/ex IPRA investigator Lorenzo Davis in his lawsuit aginst IPRA/COPA. She's partners with Tom Needham, ex general counsel of Tery Hilliard and former law partner of Callie Baird, ex OPS director.
So you think that lawsuit against evans and those officers were settled because they did something wrong? Nope!
After Torreya Hamilton got that judgment in the 20th district case, the corp counsel got scared and threw evans,the sgt and the officers under the bus for that settlement. Plus, it was a show of goodwill towards Hamilton for her pending lawsuit with Davis, which the corp counsel will cower and settle, and it demonstrates the clout of Needham, Baird, Hamilton, and Hilliard.
Quit taking lawsuits and settlements as face value of someone screwed up. It's another way the city takes care of the clouted .

As for punitives: Those amounts should be dismissed or diminished. Federal law calls for reasonable and realistic punitive damages that are payable, yet serves as a misconduct deterrent, usually in the area of 1-10,000. Don't be surprised if the punitives gets overturned.

3/11/2018 04:24:00 PM  

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