More Quotas??
They just don't learn, do they?
Someone want to print that and deliver it to the Commander?
Print out a few extra and hand them out to the Sergeants at Roll Call.
Training goes both ways.
- So, apparently Crystal King-Smith is demanding ISRs from 3rd watch in 002. The brass came to roll call and stated that she is demanding more ISRs, but they they have to be on our beat. So if I'm on 225 and it happens across the street or near the border with 231 then they don't count. If we don't get ISRs then we are threatened with [...] staying late to review the ISR general order. One of the sergeants is pushing for them and stated it behooves us to get them. This is a quota as far as I'm concerned. Things are getting worse in 002. She is comparing this year's numbers to last year's and not taking into account the weather, furloughs, days off, etc.
Someone want to print that and deliver it to the Commander?
Print out a few extra and hand them out to the Sergeants at Roll Call.
Training goes both ways.
Labels: dumb ideas, silly people
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
84 Comments:
Not enough R.A.S. to justify a violation of civil rights.
They can call the inspector general on the TIP line dates,times and witnesses very important.
Its called the whistle blower act.
Don’t you dare do them unless completely necessary to ensure you don’t get jammed ie your body cam interaction shows you should have done one. I’m a worker but I work because I want to work still. I don’t work because some white shirt DEMANDS me too. Sorry, I’ve worked every day of my career but even I would shove it right in her face and give her nothing. Don’t give in, she has never been the police nor has that idiot 002 dog tac Lt... stay strong 002, dont sell out and band together.
Does Beat Integrity extend to those Mounted Camel Patrol units ridden by Noble gold badge clowns, complete with several uniform violations?
Retired .38 spl +P
Can you too, do zeros? These idiots just will never learn. These white shirts are as dumb as a bag of hammers. If you're so damn hot to get these isr's, hop in a squad car, stop some suspects and fill the damn thing out yourself. I'll laugh my ass off at you when you're sitting in federal court, you white shirted jack asses. Be polite, but let them know you aren't going to ever do one of those vile isr's unless the circumstances are perfect. Don't put yourself in financial and criminal harms way for these idiots. Don't worry, they'll have your back, oh yes they will, all the way up to, Sgt, Lt, did the officer have reasonable suspicion to make this stop? We told them to be careful, oh yes we did! But they're on their own, they screwed up!
Hahaha!
This is straight from comstat where they belittle the cmdr in front of all the upper brass if their isr’s are not up to last years amount or are not written on particular beats. You can visit a constant meeting if you want, try it. It’s enlightening. It’s the upper brass trying to embarrass and demean the cmdrs and WOL’s in attempt to give them more and more numbers. The exact thing that got us into this mess.
same shit in 005, a dude with 25 plus years just got dumped off his car of 10 years due to no isr's on the beat,the guy is retiring in a couple of months, like he gives a fuck, this was per the commander...also they are pushing traffic stops and traffic missions like there's no tomorrow. also they dumped the top 3 producers of arrests and traffic citations to afternoons so 500 could keep all his do nothing ghost teams on days. so these three guys produce to stay on days and still get dumped, haha suckers i hope they learned their lesson...005 is a fucking shit show everyday of the week..must see t.v. i cant wait till they take the 10 hour day away and everybody bails!
Every single time in my career that a supervisor used the word "behoove" pr the phrase "a word to the wise"while lecturing me,I'd automatically dismiss it as bullshit and usually do the opposite and yet here I am milking a pension. And if anyone gets kept late to review orders don't forget the OT slip. There isn't much
Management can really do to you if enough of the watch is on the same page. Split up partners,yeh,now you've just doubled the amount of down cars boss.
merit sergeant?
Hey 014th District white-shirts, you listening!!!
Dumb, da dumb dumb.
The ridiculousness of McCompStat lives on.
How dare these fucking Commanders get there ass chewed out at Compstat and then come back to us and demand ISR's fuck you! Go out and get your own...these Commanders are nothing but yes men for the supt so go threaten your tact teams and leave patrol to answer calls. All Commanders listen up...Shove the ISR's up your ass..you are getting none! Stay fetal brothers and sisters, we will prevail! Let them threaten all they want, stay late to review general orders and put in your slips! Hello FOP? I want to file a grievance.
This goofs must come grime Mars. If take full advantage of reviewing ISR training late, drop a yellow slip for extension of tour and put “Mandatory post-duty training as ordered by commander.” I’m a very slow reader. Fuck you, pay me. When 35th street sees a whole watch or district dropping yellow slips for punishment, that will raise some eyebrows.
Seems like it’s happening everywhere.
Commander Hannah I mean Hanna with no H in the end, gave every Lt on every watch tofrom templates of how she wants them written due to not being acceptable to her standard. POs were spelling her name with an extra H and she had the Lts address us. She is verbally asking for ISR’s on each beat as well. Oh compstat how we love thee. Commander Hannah has caps doing tsops, 06 and tact doing community interactions cuz she’s attempting to turn the 003rd district around with the library and golf course n all.
Me on the other hand, smile and only answer up to my jobs and advise or warrant procedures, thanks to arrests and courts being a complete joke.
Ha!!!! How about the white shirts on midnights in 002
Said, they would return slips if isr’s are produced!!!
Hahahahaha , you can burn my slip !!
I work CHA East every month and always laugh at the Unique To-From about activity that I am handed at the beginning of the tour. If the LT or WOL ever tells me that the Commander requires ISR's from each car, then I will be writing a very detailed To-From. After I hand the LT Or WOL a copy, I will then tell him/her, just so you know, I faxed copies to FOP, Supt's Office, US Dept Of Justice, and the ACLU. Have a nice night Lt.
Maybe commander Camel will think twice about her demands.
Boo hoo! OMG detention. Buck up buttercups. At least your getting paid for staying late.
Wtf do people think. CKS has NEVER been thr police EVER. She doesn't have a clue as to what she is doing. Remember that next time she is talking. 100 % GOOF.
Glad to see ol' Crystal hasn't changed one bit. Now get on you camel named Clyde....and ride.
My reason for not doing ISRs is pretty simple: A copy of all ISRs go to the ACLU for the sole purpose of trying to fuck the police. I will not lose my job, my assets, nor my pension because some merit commander doesn’t want to get yelled at at Comstat.
You want ISRs so bad, go write them yourself.
There’s not a whole lot you can do to me.
I keep telling you guys record your roll calls.
Just flapping their gums. I don’t read that, I don’t listen to that and I do no do isr’s. What are you gonna do about it boss?
Dum ass camel driving merit can go and get them her self
Happens all the time when they want shit to run down hill. Just document in ur FOP book all ur activity for each day. Amount of radio calls, Parkers, bus checks etc. Then they have no ammunition against you if your doing SOMETHING. Let them demand all they want, Police work encompasses many different activities, not just what they need to look good. Stay strong and be smart about it !
So I stay late to get isr training, ok that's what yellow slips are for. The write "quota training" on the explaination line.
#STAYSTRONG02
Don't do any ISRs.
What do you expect, never was the police, never will be the police, merit, merit, merit. Is there any wonder why the morale on the department is beyond low?
Ok so here is the ILCS. Quotas are only for citations, not for points of contact ie street stops/ISRs, blue cards, etc.
(65 ILCS 5/11-1-12)
Sec. 11-1-12. Quotas prohibited. A municipality may not require a police officer to issue a specific number of citations within a designated period of time. This prohibition shall not affect the conditions of any federal or State grants or funds awarded to the municipality and used to fund traffic enforcement programs.
A municipality may not, for purposes of evaluating a police officer's job performance, compare the number of citations issued by the police officer to the number of citations issued by any other police officer who has similar job duties. Nothing in this Section shall prohibit a municipality from evaluating a police officer based on the police officer's points of contact. For the purposes of this Section, "points of contact" means any quantifiable contact made in the furtherance of the police officer's duties, including, but not limited to, the number of traffic stops completed, arrests, written warnings, and crime prevention measures. Points of contact shall not include either the issuance of citations or the number of citations issued by a police officer.
The city wants make more sergeants to go after the troops. Now the city won't offer a new test, so they will be scraping the bottom of the barrel. Ya know, the guys that couldn't cheat as well as the best cheaters. These idiots will be giving you illegal quotas just like this moron. Watch out.
send in the clowns
Ironic, a career do nothing boss demanding activity from Officers! Typical CPD! Stand your ground 002 Dist 3rd Watch, take the example of 017. Stand together and make us non clouted P/Os proud. If you need more motivation look at that Sgt who got hit with $100,000 punitive and the P/Os who got hit with $50,000 punitive. This POS hack won't be in Fed court with you if the shit goes bad.
Gotta love all merit
Fixed it for you
I’m a worker but I work because I want to work still. I don’t work because some [cheating / merit] white shirt DEMANDS me too.
God forbid you refer to 002 as the "DEUCE!"
What is an “ISR”?
Wasn't Crystal King-Smith the broad who rode an elephant in a circus big top to promote CPD recruiting?
Are these exempt that fucking stupid that they don't see that they are going against the decree that the city agreed to with the ACLU. This is what happen to a police department that is occupied by people that could not pass a test, do not understand the law, and are just political appointee's who are sheep following the Judas goat to CPD demise. I just don't understand how this department can continue to ruin the moral of the troop by promoting unqualified people to command staff. There are intelligent and qualified minorities in the ranks that can fill the quota needed to satisfied the politicians but they lack the clout so we have to tolerate the ignorant and self serving assholes
I guess the commanders aren’t smart enough to tell the compstat bullies that they have done such a wonderful job of motivating their troops, that they cannot repeat those numbers because the good citizens are behaving in front of them?
Why are the isrs so important? Why are they so sought after? Is it to keep the office people processing them off the street or what?
check out her midnight rangers , many bring pillows to work , sleep 60% of shift , other 40% lunch , coffee , piss breaks , look at 1st watch GPS , sergeants hiding in station , out of district , beat cars in the park , lake front , not much patrol time on the side streets .
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
stupervisors submitting any ISR's how about crystal ?
i disagree with the 'no activity' point of view (but i agree that cmdr K-S is a moron)!!
crime on the beat day and night and the regular assigned beat car cant find any activity??
you want the beat car everyday? do something to keep it everyday!!
again, 002 commander is still a moron!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Hey 014th District white-shirts, you listening!!!
3/09/2018 02:31:00 AM
Waa-Waa-Waa
no need to worry in 005.... Sgt RK will save us on the watch!
Tell the merit tact Lt to go back to caps aways a do nothing
Yeah, this is the camel commander. She is being forced out due to age and does not have the required time for the commander pension. So she will stop at nothing to kiss the ass of the brass in order to weasel (chicago way) her Gold braid pension anyway. Big POS and completely ignorant.
I remember at one such roll call someone asked her about her opinion on low morale. She said, “Morale?! Who gives a damn about morale! If they don’t like it they can go work at Mcdonalds!” The city knows the company clowns they pick. No wonder 002 is -33 officers and counting!
Should have been there when idiot Williams was the commander and she was the captain - dear god what a shit show two of the biggest fools ever
Absolute misery working in 002
The ACLU is bitching that "stop and frisk" is still targeting minorities, as reported on NPR this AM. Sounded like they're getting ready for Lawsuit part II.
This is what happens when complete morons are hired in the first place, let alone promoted to a policy postion.
So they want paper? Great. Print up a bunch of BLANK ISR's, leave the entire stack in their In Box.
Here ya go fuckwad.
RIP Eddie King. That broad couldn't fill his coffee cup.
How many arrests did that cmdr have in her career? Seriously? Can someone find it and post it? How many contact cards has she done, movers, Parkers? She’s supposed to be leading by example... so, show us the example. Where did she work as a patrol woman? Was she a go getter? Nothing worse than someone that was a dog ass officer all the sudden push for activity once they throw on the white shirt.
Anonymous said...
Ha!!!! How about the white shirts on midnights in 002
Said, they would return slips if isr’s are produced!!!
Hahahahaha , you can burn my slip !!
3/09/2018 06:16:00 AM
Wow, way to burn your supervisors. Sounds like they were trying to help you guys out. If I were them now, I’d say see you in 9 hours at check off.
These “demands” or “quotas” need to be outed in the media.
Let Google-me spin and spin to try and explain.
This entire article about quotas being illegal and an officer should sue over them is just a lot of hot air and BS. It does not apply to everyday activity, except moving violations. Your commander certainly can hold you to some standard and comparisons with others on the watch and certainly can take your assigned car away from you and possibly deny you other things, even furlough extensions.
Anonymous said...
Boo hoo! OMG detention. Buck up buttercups. At least your getting paid for staying late.
3/09/2018 06:39:00 AM
No overtime, just no early out.
After checkoff you will sit and study the ISR G.O. with the Captain until the last possible second before being released. Enjoy the quality time
Anonymous Anonymous said...
They can call the inspector general on the TIP line dates,times and witnesses very important.
Its called the whistle blower act.
3/09/2018 12:21:00 AM
Call your mommy too. She will tell you how special you are, snowflake
Now do your job!
One of the basic points that is effecting just about everything that is going on within this department is the total lack of respect or confidence in most of the gold stars, not to leave out many supervisors of lessor rank. The democratic party political class has used the department as it own personal patronage toy for far too long. When you work hard, study hard for promotion and then see absolute clowns promoted ahead of you and then get assignments to very good units, it does nothing to inspire confidence within you to go out and do the job. Now adding COPA which seems to be a head hunting unit intentionally, and now a huge civil judgement against working officers , some of whom just responded to a call for assistance, where is the incentive to do anything? Add on top of that a clout driven system established long ago which give the department no power whatsoever to do anything to you if you don't do a lick of work and you have a toxic combination.Heaven help us and the Chicago Police Department. It certainly is not the institution that I worked in for so many years and recall so fondly in my retirement. Daley and Rahm ruined it and instead of reforming things they destroyed everything.
It’s funny how each white shirt that went to that meeting with a different plan and approached roll. All different some smart some stupid.
Those supervisors need to come to 003 midnights. Promise all the 2 year wonders a night on the 06 car, and they’ll do whatever they can to bring in numbers. KM, JB, KG....punitive damages cough cough!
Wow, just fucking wow. How stupid are these bosses? Wait, dont answer that, i already know. This is the exact bullshit that got us all in the situation we are in today. It makes me wonder if this shit is done on purpose. If you think for one second that the Sgt. Lt. Capt or Commander is going to protect you when you get your ass sued for violating someone's rights on the street just to write an ISR, you might as well just quit now. Dont be a fool, let them write you up and then contact the FOP, let them make that shit legit on paper and hang themselves with their own paper trail.
The Deuce(not the 002nd district)was once a great place to work. How do you screw up the Deuce? The buildings are gone and its nothing going on compared to the old Deuce days. Its to sweet to screw up??
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I work CHA East every month and always laugh at the Unique To-From about activity that I am handed at the beginning of the tour. If the LT or WOL ever tells me that the Commander requires ISR's from each car, then I will be writing a very detailed To-From. After I hand the LT Or WOL a copy, I will then tell him/her, just so you know, I faxed copies to FOP, Supt's Office, US Dept Of Justice, and the ACLU. Have a nice night Lt.
Maybe commander Camel will think twice about her demands.
Make it a whole lot easier on everyone involved and email your To-From via department email. Be sure to CC the Stupidintendent on down. Include the ACLU, COPA, News Affairs, FLOP, MLAS, Legal Department etc. I guarantee shit will stop (at least there, at least temporarily). I'll try to find the To-From that the dude used for activity requests while working housing in 018 as a template and post it with SCCs blessing.
No overtime, just no early out.
After checkoff you will sit and study the ISR G.O. with the Captain until the last possible second before being released. Enjoy the quality time
***
Ohhhhhh young lad, this is where the little company man mentality differs from people with time on. I would love this “punishment.” I would be as obnoxious as possible. Drink tons of protein and gas the captain out, coughing fits, ask repetitive and nonsensical questions, tell stories about situations encountered as a blue shirt, accidentally spill your water and proceed to nervously clean it up, bring up a bunch of other questions as long as you have the good captains ear, etc. Or take your advice and choose between an increase of activity that will likely get you jammed or be lectured by some merit hack at the end of your tour as punishment.
It’s funny how each white shirt that went to that meeting with a different plan and approached roll. All different some smart some stupid.
3/09/2018 05:29:00 PM
It's the Fruitcake Strategy.
Mix enough nuts and fruits in a bowl, add piss and mud and see what comes out of the oven......
@8:24am bottom of the barrel? Last year took 8 years to give. I hope they go up to 1000 off the list. It would be like legit 500 off the list when you factor in cheating and merit. Wait your turn for the next test or maybe don't bomb the next one. Goof
TO: 3/09/2018 03:59:00 PM,
She was not a go-getter, but she was not totally pooching it either. Remember, pooching it was a bad thing back in the day. Nowadays, you might call it "being wise" or "surviving".
Glad I was able to bid out of 002!
Ahhh NO these white shirts are not looking
Out for the PO’s by holding slips!!! They also
Are part of the ignorant management in 002!
Unlike the commander of 025, the commander of 002 will be able to attain her goal of more ISRs, with minimal arm twisting.
Why are the isrs so important? Why are they so sought after? Is it to keep the office people processing them off the street or what?
3/09/2018 09:27:00 AM
Paperwork production = existence justification.
Producing paperwork (ISRs, bus checks, ANOVs, etc.) causes the front office to produce reports. These reports show all the nice little numbers gleaned from the backs of hard-working P.O.s, and are forwarded downtown to justify the bosses jobs.
You see, we need to produce those numbers so that the front office can produce reports to send up the chain of command for signatures, thereby justifying the existence of deputies and the like. If we don't have deputies, assistant deputies, etc., who will sign these important reports before they're sent up the chain?
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Hey 014th District white-shirts, you listening!!!
3/09/2018 02:31:00 AM
Hey 014th District cry-baby, there's not a chance in hell that you're doing more than a couple ISRs per week in a relatively slow district. When the job you're assigned, or the stop you choose to make, requires that an ISR be completed, it's in your best interest to do it. If you make the stop, document it. If you choose not to stop anyone, then no ISRs for you. Don't worry about going out and generating ISRs just for the sake of numbers. Just do them when you're supposed to and you'll survive. I assume your 014th District supervisors don't want to read and approve/reject the ISR from the whiner who feels like he was forced to do it anyway. There's always someone who's willing to bring in activity. Do whatever level of activity you're comfortable with. They can't make you do an ISR unless they know for a fact that you stopped someone and were required to do one. If you don't do an ISR when one is required, you're only hurting yourself. The big bad white shirts can't hurt you if you do what you're supposed to do. ISRs don't hurt. They're a little more involved than the old contact cards, but it's not some major hardship to have to do one. It's part of the job now. Bitching and moaning won't help. Go work in a real district if 014 is too tough for you. If some white shirt in 014 is demanding ISRs just for the sake of numbers, call them on it. Ask them how many you're required to do. Or just bitch about it on the blog.
I keep telling you guys record your roll calls.
3/09/2018 07:16:00 AM
And thankfully they're smart enough not to listen. It's a violation of general orders to record roll call with your body worn camera. It's a violation of general orders to record anything with your personal recording device while on duty. It's also a violation of Illinois law to record a conversation without the consent of all parties. Keep your advice to yourself, or show us the recordings you made at your roll calls. I'm sure that'll work out just fine for you.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
TO: 3/09/2018 03:59:00 PM,
She was not a go-getter, but she was not totally pooching it either. Remember, pooching it was a bad thing back in the day. Nowadays, you might call it "being wise" or "surviving".
Pooching was a bad thing back in the day, but it didn’t stop the poochers from getting promoted. There are many bosses who never did any police work
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The Deuce(not the 002nd district)was once a great place to work. How do you screw up the Deuce? The buildings are gone and its nothing going on compared to the old Deuce days. Its to sweet to screw up??
3/09/2018 07:30:00 PM
Ok Joe Cool.
And thankfully they're smart enough not to listen. It's a violation of general orders to record roll call with your body worn camera. It's a violation of general orders to record anything with your personal recording device while on duty. It's also a violation of Illinois law to record a conversation without the consent of all parties. Keep your advice to yourself, or show us the recordings you made at your roll calls. I'm sure that'll work out just fine for you.
3/10/2018 10:30:00 AM
you are right on about this.Do not record anyone without their permission.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The Deuce(not the 002nd district)was once a great place to work. How do you screw up the Deuce? The buildings are gone and its nothing going on compared to the old Deuce days. Its to sweet to screw up??
3/09/2018 07:30:00 PM
Two back to back strange bird commanders
First Terry im having a domestic Williams when his wife came up to the station and confronted his mistress.
He ran out the back door like OJ
Crystal can't handle anything by herself she call Eugene the cheater Williams every hour and still don't get it right with her drywall brain.
quotas that be how many folks got promoted before the fair and square merit system
look at the brain surgeons running caps and many districts
Fuck! Forgot to take my morning lithium and I'm due
for a level tomorrow.
Act like a zombie, do the 400-yard stare, and drool a
little bit. What's the penalty for an upside down star?
This is a quota! They need to keep the ACLU busy. Don’t fall into this trap! Use your heads stay safe and go home in one piece. That’s all that really matters.
This is funny regarding ISRs. I remember when I worked in 022. Then LT Mike Alexander used to have is do seat belt missions. We'd come in with zeros all the time and he'd pout. I'd told him once that most cars have obnoxious audible alarms and go off if you didn't fasten your seat belt. Plus most people nowadays for the message.
3/10/18 at 0931.Too funny, thanx for the laugh.
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