Wednesday, May 09, 2018

It's Not Spying

  • About six years ago, Illinois passed a law requiring the Chicago Police Department to obtain warrants before using drones for surveillance purposes. As the law now stands, police officers can spy on public events if there is suspicion of criminal activity along with a warrant obtained from a judge. Now, Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel and his allies in the state legislature are pushing for a new bill that would remove the requirement for a warrant - particularly when there is a high-risk event, including terrorism, loss of life, missing persons, and or monitoring a crime scene.

    Mayor Emanuel is doing what his critics of mass surveillance have feared the most, unleash an unprecedented wave of police spy drones with facial recognition software at public events, more importantly at public protests.
It's certainly amazing that Courts have consistently ruled there is ZERO expectation of privacy in a public area...and then to reinforce this, cops are REQUIRED to wear cameras at all times...to the point of being assumed guilty of all sorts of nonsense if a camera isn't recording each and every encounter, but suddenly, a drone is the end of life as we know it.

It's actually being fiscally responsible for a change - do you know how much it costs to have a helicopter up for big events? Drones can be operated on the cheap, and it gives authorities a bird's-eye view of incidents, where to deploy manpower, where to evacuate crowds, etc.

But hey, handcuff the police some more why don't you.

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56 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

drones are easy to take out.

5/09/2018 12:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where disguises in public.

5/09/2018 12:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's using technology to cater to the not-so-smart
rooks. A chair job for gels, tatted operator beard
people who grew up on Nintendo and X-Box.
How do you milk it for a 40-hr/week job?
Maintenance, practice flights, teaching new recruits
to the drone force. Inventory, battery status reports
(like food temp records in supermarkets). Also,
spouting out tech lingo to repel the common copper
and insulate your position. Fly Like An Eagle.

5/09/2018 12:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Using drones, not a bad idea. I'm glad he is trying to do this. I wonder how many drones we will get,and how many will be deployed. Will they be deployed at all times in high crimeareas? If they are shot down, is that a crime? Will it be connected/ dispatched to shot spotter to go where the shooting occurred, and follow the car/ shooter and relay location info to oemc?

5/09/2018 12:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder if drones will make helicopters obsolete.

5/09/2018 12:41:00 AM  
Blogger Chip Bagg said...

Now if you can arm those drones with small missiles and send them to the Mag Mile on hot Saturday nights or even just to the Chicago and State Red line entrance.....well, then I'm on board. Have a good summer.

5/09/2018 12:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let me get on this droning right away... come on Rham, you want arrests... where these drones at?

5/09/2018 01:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Drones aren’t bad, but it’s how the smug little cocksucker wants to use them. If he has his way, it will be to eavesdrop on others’ conversations, not control crowds. It’s his way of bypassing anything that would otherwise require a warrant. Remember who we are talking about here.

5/09/2018 01:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do I need a phone call to be on the drone unit?

5/09/2018 01:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If it is soooo helpful, granting the warrant should be easy.

Get A Warrant.

5/09/2018 02:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I see openings in a unit for drone enthusiasts

5/09/2018 02:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's actually being fiscally responsible for a change - do you know how much it costs to have a helicopter up for big events? Drones can be operated on the cheap, and it gives authorities a bird's-eye view of incidents, where to deploy manpower, where to evacuate crowds, etc.

But hey, handcuff the police some more why don't you.

Where are they going to find someone small enough to pilot the drones? The department will have to re-write their height standards for hiring...

5/09/2018 03:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The criminal politicians make laws to handcuff police. If they were honest this wouldn't happen

5/09/2018 03:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's the politicians not the police I don't trust. It was the "Chicago Way" that weaponized all the federal agencies and used information against individuals.

5/09/2018 04:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My guy Rahm is such a pro police mayor. Just put a rope on that expert D/C Kevin to view the crowds. Fill his ass with helium. He can talk from the sky. A good wind will get him a ride to the middle of the Lake.

5/09/2018 04:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ooh I smell opportunity... Vanecko Industries-Drone and Spy Satellite Divison. I'll have R&D get right on it.

5/09/2018 04:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

lot of good facial recognition technology will do if paid
robert creamer / george soros types are protesting.

don't you dare run counter to anything antifa or the social
justice crowd is upset about. don't look at us while we beat their ass.

5/09/2018 05:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can just see it now...Drone cost----$200.....City Pays $2,500. camera---$35......City pays $3.000, and on and on.....

5/09/2018 06:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chicago pols don't want cameras on THEM.

https://youtu.be/x1PKe4tbNmE

The Cesspool on the Patomac

5/09/2018 06:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We need less government in our lives. Not needing a warrant to record the public is ridiculous. Don't forget, they will use this to spy on you too.

5/09/2018 06:41:00 AM  
Blogger Mr. SouthSide said...

Rahm has another purpose in mind. He is a sneaky little bastard, isn't he?

5/09/2018 06:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where are they going to find someone small enough to pilot the drones? The department will have to re-write their height standards for hiring...
5/09/2018 03:37:00 AM
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Height standards? They are gone. Have you seen some of the new recruits? They are as wide as they are high. Do a drive by the Academy for a laugh.

5/09/2018 07:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sky Pilot

5/09/2018 07:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Where are they going to find someone small enough to pilot the drones? The department will have to re-write their height standards for hiring..."

He ride on one, the little shit. Still used to slinging around onstage as Peter Pan from sliding wire.

5/09/2018 07:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm getting my resume ready for the drone unit. Gosh agorry that would be a swell job and I think I'm qualified.

5/09/2018 07:52:00 AM  
Blogger Ragman said...

To 4:01 am. Exactly! The police aren't the worry, it's the political angle that scares me. Get a warrant.

5/09/2018 08:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Phones are ringing off the hook already. Any merit or clout copper wants in on the new Drone Unit. Remember most of these festivals are summer time and holidays. They’ll have to put a few legit guys there to cover the days off.

5/09/2018 08:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't see a problem with drones for large events, etc. Or recording in general, but remember turn about is fair play. Plenty of people have gotten jammed up for recording or trying to record the police. Video is OK but they'll get you for the audio. I don't know about you but my camcorder and phone include both when you press record. I know the ACLU was fighting this but I don't know where it was at legally. Anyone? Can you point to any ILCS etc.

5/09/2018 08:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Using drones, not a bad idea. I'm glad he is trying to do this. I wonder how many drones we will get,and how many will be deployed. Will they be deployed at all times in high crimeareas? If they are shot down, is that a crime? Will it be connected/ dispatched to shot spotter to go where the shooting occurred, and follow the car/ shooter and relay location info to oemc?

5/09/2018 12:39:00 AM

I hope you are kidding. They ONLY way something like this works is if it generates revenue.

5/09/2018 08:58:00 AM  
Blogger Cuthbert J. Twillie said...

Since the ACLU and the rest of the usual suspects are against Drones they have to be a good idea and a positive tool for police.

By the way, that mention in the article about the 'Red Squad' is a strawman. What happened during those years and the use of Drones by Law Enforcement -- which is now commonplace -- has zero correlation. This includes the use of Facial Recognition software with Drone Cameras.

The ACLU and the rest of 'the usual suspects' are in a tither over the fact that with these tools you'll be able to find Bail Jumpers, and other miscreants with Outstanding Arrest Warrants and take them in. It has nothing to do with the rights of 'Peaceful Protesters'.

The surprising thing here is that Tiny Dancer is actually for something that helps the CPD.

5/09/2018 09:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Drones make sense, but part of the blowback will be the mountain of FOIA requests to see the footage from them. Lawyers will get rich, and if I lived in certain parts of the city, I'd look at the drones as a way to test my marksmanship.

5/09/2018 09:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No drones. Rahm will spy on us.

5/09/2018 09:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rahm is not a trailblazer but he is a coast to coast liberal follower.
What’s Jerry doing in CA, how about DiBozo in NYC, would it offend SadDick in London?
Whatever the core DNC says, he does and as long as there’s Home Rule he will do whatever he can to appease his libtards and pander to a feral lawless populous.
Would a Drone Program have any vote value and can it be implemented before the Summertime Gold Coast Invasions?

Breakdown the manpower should it come to fruition:

Drone Aeronautic Deployment Unit
1 Commander
3 Lts
6 Sgts
12 Admin Aides
6 Watch Operations Officers (desk/timekeepers/radio room/coffeemaker)
16 Specially outfitted recon vehicles
2 Drone operators (citywide 1 North, 1 South)
1 RadioShack 3 prop drone-craft outfitted with a GoPro 5mp 360p 28mm Zeiss fisheye lens.

5/09/2018 09:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Emanuel is a Globalist Psychopath. You are being let by his puppets. The man has taken in too much Bath Salts at the Steamworks.

5/09/2018 09:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's against FAA regulations to fly drones over groups of people. How is Rahm going to get around that, or will he just ignore it as he does with other laws and regulations he does not agree with?

5/09/2018 09:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is there a big difference between cameras on poles or walls and drones? Seems like drones are more efficient use of resources. Instead of hanging cameras on every corner of the parks, they can simply relocate a trailer with all the equipment from venue to venue.

5/09/2018 09:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What's the difference between drones, pod cams or traffic cams? If they do allow drones, I hope they are predator drones!

5/09/2018 10:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you want to use facial recognition on images from a drone you’re going to need a very expensive drone to carry a camera with the necessary accuracy. DJI sells a $20,000 drone that sports a Lieca lens but you might need something better, and bigger. Bigger means louder and easier to see. Some utilities are now using drones with 8 rotors and a Sony Alpha 7 camera to inspect high voltage lines. If you want to monitor without accurate facial recognition you can use a DJI Magic out of the box, which I assumed the CPD was already doi g.

5/09/2018 10:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

given how easy it is to get warrants and not have to show much in the way of reason to do so, I can't imagine the requirement to get a warrant is all that much of an impediment.

drones are certainly cheaper than helicopters but you still need an operator who does not work for free.

5/09/2018 10:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In Chicago each drone will ost the city the same amount as a brand new 747. Its the Chicago way

5/09/2018 10:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My bet is 10k for these drones... they will be the standard DJI model that costs about 1k. The end result will be case dismissed

5/09/2018 11:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How do I get into that unit?

5/09/2018 11:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Will drone operator be a new position?

It does require training and skill.

Dont worry about the laws! worry about who will run the unit and is FOP requesting arbitration for the new spot?

You know it will have a commander and multiple white shirts with take home vehicles.

D-2 should be reasonable.

MR PREIB you on this???

5/09/2018 11:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
I see openings in a unit for drone enthusiasts


Never happen, spot would go to a chosen one. CPD would never think of assigning say a vet, who had experience with drones thru his military career, maybe even his MOS in the military

5/09/2018 12:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Do I need a phone call to be on the drone unit?

5/09/2018 01:08:00 AM

Absolutely not. Put in a resume and the selection committee will select the best person for the job. That’s how it’s done on the CPD. I thought everybody knows that

5/09/2018 12:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
drones are easy to take out.

5/09/2018 12:11:00 AM

To the show, dinner, dancing?

5/09/2018 12:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ext step is a 9mm drone. Don't laugh it is only a matter of tome before they become armed. First drones then Robocop. The future is upon us. Drones and Robocop do not have pension problems and never call in sick probably not going fetal either.

5/09/2018 01:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WORKS BOTH WAYS!
(True story; in the news within past 7 days)
FBI agents were watching (I believe) a rural location
Then started to move in closer to the target.
The bad guys somehow got wind of this, or maybe it
Was just part of their security plan. They all scattered
Out in different directions and waited. When the FBI
Agents got close, they put their drones up in the air and
Were watching the FBI. They were recording footage
On some drones. I think maybe a couple of agents were
Buzzed by the drones.
Reminds me of that scene in HEAT (the movie).
Cops are believing they are tracking bad guys. They end
Up in an open lot with industrial warehouses all around.
They look around. Finally the head cop realizes THEY are
Being watched by the bad guys. De Niro and his pals are
Using telephoto cameras to take photos of the cops.

5/09/2018 01:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can't you just hire a private contractor and have them operate the drone? Needing a warrant to monitor public spaces makes no sense.

5/09/2018 01:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

drones are easy to take out.

5/09/2018 12:11:00 AM


and usually split the bill, even on take out....

....but, are they easier than Rosie Roundheels?

5/09/2018 03:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Mr. Southside: “Rahm has another purpose”:

https://www.cnet.com/news/china-turns-to-tech-to-monitor-shame-and-rate-citizens/

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/02/china-surveillance/552203/

Who profits?

5/09/2018 05:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

MSD, Inc.
McCarthy Surveillance Drones, Inc.
(If there's a buck to be made, he'll be there)

5/09/2018 06:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Can't you just hire a private contractor and have them operate the drone? Needing a warrant to monitor public spaces makes no sense.

5/09/2018 01:51:00 PM

I hope you're not the police.

5/09/2018 07:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We have a helicopter?

5/09/2018 10:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

At suburban events the cops put a camera on a pole and the bolt that pole to a cherry pickers bucket. Then the cherry picker is extended as high as it will go. One eye in the sky. No drone required. No warrant required. For larger areas use more than one.

5/10/2018 05:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who the fuck is going to operate the drone ? Who is going to monitor the drone camera ? Does Rahm have stock in a drone company ?

5/12/2018 09:47:00 AM  

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