And the Verdict is.... [UPDATE, Moved]
UPDATE: Obviously, this is going to be the big story all day, so we're moving it from 2101 hours Wednesday to its current position at the top of the Thursday posts.
Confused as all Hell, but it looks like they cleared the Officer on a technicality:
Confused as all Hell, but it looks like they cleared the Officer on a technicality:
- In a chaotic finish to a high-profile trial, a judge first announced that a jury had found that a Chicago police officer unjustifiably shot and killed a bat-wielding teen, then wiped away the verdict and the $1 million award to the teen’s family after noting that jurors had also found the officer reasonably feared for his life when he fired.
Confusion abounded at the Daley Center courthouse Wednesday evening after the Cook County jury reached its conflicting verdict after 3 ½ hours of deliberations, capping an eight-day trial.
Judge Rena Marie Van Tine first announced that jurors had sided in favor of Quintonio LeGrier's parents — who sued the city and Officer Robert Rialmo — awarding them $1.05 million in damages.
Moments later, however, it was revealed that jurors had also signed a special interrogatory — a specific question to a jury — finding that Rialmo fired in the reasonable belief that LeGrier posed the danger of death or great bodily harm to himself or his partner.
Van Tine then found that the answer to the specific question overrode the rest of the verdict. Over the objections of the LeGrier family’s lawyers, the judge entered judgment in favor of Rialmo and the city.
Expect extensive appeals, but in the meantime we're still allowed to fear for our lives against a bat wielding assailant and take appropriate police action.
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posted by SCC at 5:31 AM
149 Comments:
The family and the sleazy lawyers played the ghetto lottery and LOST,
Did we expect anything different. News doesn't lead with one of the biggest verdicts in this city's history regarding public safety and they rather report on same ol same ol 14 yoa shot.
This is fantastic, from hero millionaire to zero in 2 hours thanks juror and let’s retain this great judge! Lmao this is hysterical!
The interrogatory proves that the jury had not a clue as to how they were to decide the case. Security guards, police officers, and citizens cannot and should not to be made to fear for their lives when assailants come after them.
This is the same bullshit thinking which has carjackings consider as simple thefts. It is not a theft. It's god damned terrorism.
And bats are fucking dangerous. Remember when that piece of shit junky clubbed those two young ladies about 10 years ago? The Irish woman gets to spend the rest of her life as a god damned vegetable because that shit bag need money for a god damned drug bag. Fucker gets to be high for 8 hours and the cost is it is a 21 year old woman gets to spend the next 60 in a wheel chair.
Back on topic - COPA can fuck itself next.
Mamma and Daddy can go back to their free housing and continue to be leeches on society. I'm glad they didn't get anything. This should have never even been in a Courtroom. He was justified. I'd jump for joy if they gave Rialmo the money...now that would be true Justice.
I heard the initial verdict and thought how the f*ck is that possible then minutes later the judge voided the jury verdict based they found it to be a justified shooting and they believed he feared for his safety.
Thank G*d they got that in the official case docket and if an appeal is filled it gives more cred for a judge trial as a jury shows to be biased
How can the jury agree that the officer was justified in shooting the assailant and still award money? This makes no sense. These juries are awarding money out of sympathy with no regard to the law or facts.
Any post about the Janus case and how it affects all union employees? Rough riding ahead.
Nice work by the judge. Jury was dumb enough to eventually do the right thing. If Rialmo reasonably feared for his life and that of his partner, because of a bat-wielding attacker, then there can be no "wrongful death."
"Expect extensive appeals, but in the meantime we're still allowed to fear for our lives against a bat wielding assailant and take appropriate police action."
posted by SCC at 9:01 PM on Jun 27, 2018
As long as another jury would decide the same thing as this jury. Other than that, you could still end up in prison or paying hefty awards for wrongful death, despite doing nothing wrong.
The verdict is that the jury are a bunch of idiots that thought they could get away with splitting the baby. They wanted to (or HAD to) find that Rialmo was not liable but still wanted to throw the poor family a cool million. Can’t be both ways. He was right or he was wrong. If he was wrong (which clearly he wasn’t) then pay the family. Luckily the judge was able to see through their BS trying to get away with a non-decision.
to the 'parents' of the ward of the state. boo fucking hoo.
Typical clusterf@ck!!
Congratulations, Officer!
A little weight off your shoulders!
Victory for the good guys! Now prepare for the looting...
The jury also found in Rialmo’s favor in the emotional distress claim against LeGrier (his estate) but awarded him nothing.
Cook County Jurors ARE IGNORANT!
How in the name of all that is holy, can one
find the defendant (Rialmo) as liable but
say on the same hand that he was justified
in using deadly force?
Apply the damned circumstances to THE LAW!
Not attempt to re-write the law according
to your hatred of The Police to settle a
score on behalf of the perpetually aggrieved,
un-satisfiable classes of peoples/folkses who
make up the majority in Cook County.
As it is... No Policeman or any other person
in their right mind, sfter the use of
justifiable lethal force against any
member of the protected demographics
would opt for a jury trial because these
so called jurors are no way in hell any
peers of upright, hard working, tax paying,
law abiding, impulse control exercising,
God Fearing citizens.
Such jurors find their reason for being in
settling scores and getting revenge.
Watch the moaning and bitching about
"Rialmo got away with it!"
Protect yourselves and each other.
Police Like You Have No Friends.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Any post about the Janus case and how it affects all union employees? Rough riding ahead.
6/27/2018 09:43:00 PM
This is a big deal. That piece of shit governor, Rauner, won. Government employees lost big time.
What say you now COPA/IPRA?
Hopefully Rialmo WILL SUE every one
of you eaters of decayed dicks and everything/everyone
you profess to love and care for into knee-knocking,
hand-wringing, eye-watering poverty.
Time for a severe change of course with prejudice
over this "Police Are The Problem" narrative.
IMHO in hindsight the City now looks foolish for settling for $16 million with the estate of Bettie Jones. Too bad there is not a clawback provision. I would sure as hell fire the attorney's who negotiated that settlement.
What's the Kangaroo court aka Chicago police board going to do now. The unethical idiots at Copa can do whatever they want. Thanks Rahm
It is Very likely that Baby G cast a Bad JuJu spell on the Jury.
Tribune has a video of the jury foreman answering questions. Foreman guy seems dumber than shit. Cannot imagine what the rest of the jury was like if he was their leader.
Good for the young man. Fuck you Rahm and Johnson, you are both muted assholes who destroyed the CPD. The Almighty will judge both of you for murdering small kids and stopping the police being the police. The poor bat boy even in heaven is not at fault, his alleged parents dealt him a bad hand since he was born. No lavish Wallace catfish dinners for you. The old listener sandwiches at 90 cents is all you can get on Link. Share a rock together and all will seem fine.
May the good Lord sustain the great patrol people that are treated worse then garbage by politicians, media, and the alleged leaders of the CPD.
Justice prevails.
Good.
This has been mentioned a bunch of times, when officers on this blog keep talking about CCL people shooting felon's are going to be sued. There is a law that states, if you are legally defending yourself or another from death or great bodily harm or during the commission of a forceable felony, you are exempt from civil judgements. And lets be real, it wasn't chaotic, it's the fucking law and the judge followed it to the letter. I listened to that idiot jury foremen, who said, the officer used bad judgement. But he and the others, also signed the interrogator statement, with a yes, that the officer was in fear of his life. Well, no shit, he's being attacked by someone with a baseball bat. So, what in the fuck is the opposing attorney going to appeal on, there's nothing. Justifiable self defense triumphs all the bullshit coming from the left. The real sad part, the people on that jury didn't have the decency to do the right thing because of how they would be perceived, in this racially charged atmosphere. That's my two cents, and Tiny Dancer you are one stupid fuck-head.
Mamma and Daddy can go back to their free housing and continue to be leeches on society. I'm glad they didn't get anything. This should have never even been in a Courtroom. He was justified. I'd jump for joy if they gave Rialmo the money...now that would be true Justice.
How the fuck do you know this at all?
No riots???? WTF?
I initially heard about the verdict and the $$$$ award and was VERY disheartened. I must have tuned out too soon because I was not aware of the judge's subsequent decision to void the "conviction" and $$$$ award. Thanks SCC, for posting this so soon. In the current climate I would not want to trust a jury. They have to be afraid to show support for the police. Sounds like the judge corrected the jury quickly. Expect the protests, violence, shootings, and expressway blockings to start IMMEDIATELY. God bless the officer involved.
I think as a consolation prize we all ought to pitch in and print out some Father Faker bucks to ease their burden.
And yet Real Ass Hole Mayor felt it necessary to settle the related case for 16 million!! Why not hold out till after every other aspect of this incident is finalized, then offer a small settlement of good faith at the most? 16 million to appease one demographic and 20 million from the off-duty, non-police related traffic crash to appease another demographic. This only amounts to campaign funding on the taxpayers' dime. Wishful thinking would be Federal indictments.
After obtaining my IL CCW, signed up for Massad Ayoob's MAG40 Class for Armed Citizens. Spent 16 hours on the range and 24 hours in class over 4 days. Learned volumes of invaluable information, including the facts of the Tueller Drill. The average individual can close a gap of 21 feet in 1.5 seconds. Some faster; some slower. The average individual can draw a holstered weapon in 1.5 seconds. Some faster; some slower.
Given the distance involved in this case, seems there's no question the officers reasonably feared for their lives given how quickly the assailant could have closed the gap between them -- one made all the closer by the length of his baseball bat.
Kudos to the Judge for noting the flawed and conflicted logic of the jury. The right call was made.
Thanks to all if you serving on the razor-thin Thin Blue Line of this city
Stay safe all.
The city should have held out on the settlement for Betty Jones. Yes, her death was a tragic accident, but no way was she worth $16 million!!
Scc why so negative?? Let’s take the win when we can and celebrate. Worry about appeals later.
In a brilliant legal maneuver the attorney will now sue the estate of the woman who opened the door for the police.
Millions for the easy pickings there!
Proves the old adage that juries are filled with people too dumb to get out of jury duty.
FUCK COPA AND RHAM
If I were this officer I would sue the fuck out of the city for throwing him under the bus, especially COPA and the fucking Mayor himself and let's not forget that bat wielding fuckens family of leeches.
Officer Rialmo was not cleared because of a technicality. He was cleared by the jury. Plain and simple. The technicality arrived after he was cleared.
Once the jury wrote Officer Rialmo was justified in his action, the judge rightly stopped the jury from giving a "parting gift" to the LeGrier family.
The LeGrier family was not on a 1950's game show where the loser gets some parting gifts. Rialmo prevailed! No dough for the LeGriers. Plain and simple.
It was a good day for our side! Oh, and fuck COPA!
Remember the asshole who beat the father and daughter with a table leg in front of the old 9th district. This animal killed the father with the table leg. A baseball bat is even more deadly, so COPA is insane.
I don’t think it was a technicality. “Q-Do you feel Rialmo was in reasonable fear for his life? A- Yes”. There you go. The jury said they believed he was in reasonable fear. That’s what it was about. And, not for one minute do I think that that kid’s father didn’t say, “you did what you had to do.”. You know it. I know, and that kid’s father knows it. He said it.
unbelievable... the entire reason for the shooting was because of the kids mental state or condition yet the city and rialmo weren't allowed to bring this up??? The kid was getting kicked out of school for attacking people.
What a wonderful job we have.
How can the jury agree that the officer was justified in shooting the assailant and still award money? This makes no sense. These juries are awarding money out of sympathy with no regard to the law or facts.
Exactly. The jury felt sorry for the father.
Tough break, Dad.
If the jury wants to give him some sympathy money, fine. Just use your own checkbook, not the public's.
How soon before the liberal left mutton heads will be out protesting this one?
Thank god this judge had common sense.
Ha ha! After dad did all those fake interviews with those fake tears about how much he loved him but he grew up in foster care I would've love to see his real tears when he realized that he was getting nothing!
I would love to know who the JURORS were to ask them what a use of force is.
Great news. The family for batman shouldnt have got a penny and the city should now go after them for the City Attorney's fees
Even when you win you lose. These juries can't seem to find for the police and say the officer was justified and the plaintiff deserves nothing.
Interesting scene today during a break in the trial. From what I understood, the goof reporter from the Tribune tweeted how he and the Scum Times reporter were checking the baseball jerseys cops were wearing to and from court to cover uniforms. He added a tweet that Chief Staples wears a Santo jersey.
She asked them if they didn’t have anything better to do.
Gotta say, I’ve been going to court when I could and have been impressed that she’s been there supporting Off. Rialmo.
Retired and loving it.
Don’t lose sight of this case especially considering the Janus ruling. Let FOP know you expect pressure to continue on this officer’s case. He also has a 5 Amendment issue at hand. The Department greatly enjoy cramming “use of force” law down every cops throat rather then recognize their is a distinction in acting as an officer and being a victim in a crime. We need our rights protected and that needs to be stipulated in any agreement with the city especially know after these latest officer involved shooting cases.
Why give the "family" any money anyways when just like in Lacquan McDonald they were never there to raise them. Neither had a family.
Glad the "average" citizens in 015 don't understand the ruling either. Therefore, no rioting is scheduled.
Why did the defense opt for a jury trial on this case? Was a bench trial not available?
Think about this….The jury found Rialmo acted "reasonably" in a shooting yet the jury was willing to award $1.05 million in damages to the estate of LeGrier? How are you liable for damages when you acted reasonably? The jury also found that the Rialmo, was justified in firing at LeGrier to prevent "imminent death or great bodily harm" to himself or his partner yet the jury was willing to award $1.05 million in damages to the estate of LeGrier? Does that make sense? It took Judge Rena Marie Van Tine to step in and stop the insanity. "I don't believe that Officer Rialmo is a bad person necessarily," David Fitzsimon, the jury foreman, told reporters following the verdict. "I think he just made a bad decision at the moment." A bad decision at the moment???? YOU, THE JURY, RULES RIALMO ACTED REASONABLY. So exactly how did he make a bad decision? If this statement doesn’t convince you the public hates police, then nothing will.
Thank goodness for the judge ~ I hope P.O. Rialmo finally got a good nights sleep last night....
A sane Cook County Judge? Who would have thought that?
Remember everyone, he still has to go before the police hating board who are probably furious that he hasn't been criminally charged or found to be guilty in civil court. If they had any sense of impartiality they'd drop the case against him. However; I fear they'll sacrifice him for numerous "rule violations"
How refreshing to see THE RULE OF LAW applied properly. It has been way too obscured by the haze of progressiveness and SJ lately. Time for a little sunshine and logic to clear the fog.
The jury made a mistake, they thought it was customary that a Rahm Settlement is automatic-systematic to all that seek it.
They ruled RR had suffered emotion distress, we all agree he was put through the wringer.
But they didn’t think his distress was worthy of compensation.
Sue the La’Greer Estate anyway RR.
Expect further juries to be coached.
Quietly this week, Rahm’s Settlement Team gave ($2)millions (w/o. a lawsuit) to the drug dillin’ fambly of a a “child” who they say was traumatized, while being in the room during a search warrant.
All this for a bat wielding maniac and the family that ignored him.
Is COPA arm of the Cook County State Activism Office of Restorative Justice done yet?
Bet they’re reexamining the case file.
Dump Rahm
Anonymous said...
Interesting scene today during a break in the trial. From what I understood, the goof reporter from the Tribune tweeted how he and the Scum Times reporter were checking the baseball jerseys cops were wearing to and from court to cover uniforms. He added a tweet that Chief Staples wears a Santo jersey.
She asked them if they didn’t have anything better to do.
Gotta say, I’ve been going to court when I could and have been impressed that she’s been there supporting Off. Rialmo.
Retired and loving it.
6/28/2018 02:34:00 AM
If this is true Melissa staples should definitely be the superintendent of police, any police spice that actually has the backs of the working police officers that every day do their best and this most corrupt city in the country to protect the innocent people this woman should immediately be promoted to the superintendence position Eddie Johnson should immediately be terminated along with the rest of his exempt staff every one of them needs to go!
If I were this officer I would sue the fuck out of the city for throwing him under the bus, especially COPA and the fucking Mayor himself and let's not forget that bat wielding fuckens family of leech
This statement just shows how stupid and uneducated some officers are..Sue for what exactly??? He has been getting paid this whole time. Be glad the judge in this case had the common sense to apply the law and move on.
Nobody set anything on fire last night...
THAT juror is pretty scary!
Keep this in mind when you put your ass on the line for the great citizens of CROOK COUNTY.
They thought that it was sad the crazy bat wielding offender died and they thought they should disregard juror instruction and pass out tax payer cash to the family.
NOW imagine a trial in crminal court with the same bunch of RUBES.
Caught some coverage of this case on the news last night. Dressing in anticipation of hitting the "big one", LeGrier's mother sported a real fancy fedora. The other thing that struck me is that Brodsky, through no fault of his own, can actually chalk this one up as a win. Gotta be a first time for everything.
Do whatever you have to do to avoid being jackpotted by a jury of your “peers”.
Rahm gives away millions tens of millions and taxpayers money on frivolous lawsuits like he did for the lady who was accidentally killed in this incident may God rest her soul then we have over here while RON boldly along with the 50 and the rest of them violate federal immigration laws we are set to lose hundreds of millions of dollars :
Feds to begin distributing grant money to non-sanctuary cities
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jun/27/feds-distributing-grant-money-non-sanctuary-cities/
HA!
The loving family stills demands $12-25 million dollars-we’ll still take that million!
""Expect extensive appeals, but in the meantime we're still allowed to fear for our lives against a bat wielding assailant and take appropriate police action.""
Well I wouldn't go that far but if were lucky we might have one or two High School graduates on the Jury and fewer grade school drop out and college graduates.
it feels good to hear "good news"
Rahm, Eddie, Kim, and Toni all need to go
I think this will likely result in a new trial due to the inconsistent verdict. Depends on how the jury was instructed and we won't know that without a transcript.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Any post about the Janus case and how it affects all union employees? Rough riding ahead.
6/27/2018 09:43:00 PM
This is a big deal. That piece of shit governor, Rauner, won. Government employees lost big time.
6/27/2018 10:29:00 PM
the JANUS case is good news!!!!!
now your union has to treat you nice, and make you feel like you have a say so.
no more of your union money will be supporting morons like rahm emanuel.
you can decide to not be a part of your union now and not be penalized.
or you can give them as much money as you want.
its a great win for the average joe like me.
This is fantastic, from hero millionaire to zero in 2 hours thanks juror and let’s retain this great judge! Lmao this is hysterical!
2 hours.......try 2 seconds. This was like election night, when Hillary thought she had the election in the bag. There is a video out there that someone from her staff took, inside her hotel room. When everyone thought she was going to win, ol' Bill was jumping up and down, everyone was hugging. Then later that evening, reality set in when Trump was named the winner.
The family and their lawyers probably did the same thing, only to be cut short with a technicality.
I'm surprised that no one left the court room by ambulance.
While they attack the police, verbally and violently the carnage and mayhem moves rapidly forward the CEO peacock of the city the ballerina stands proudly with his entourage of overpaid hack bodyguards, driving tank like XL Tahoes and suburbans:
12 wounded, 1 killed in shootings Wednesday in Chicago
Whats the over under on the hot weekend? Betting 35killed 40-50 total shot, plus a few stabbed and beaten with bats (Bats are weapons why yes democrats)!
Don't think there will be many appeals for this. Contrary to the lawyers all pretending how outraged they are by police brutality, it is all about the money. The scum lawyers from the PLO et.al. are not turning over their winnings to the community, they are buying nice homes on the northshore or expensive condos downtown. It is s money making scheme. This case shows how it works. The cops were right but the media has turned everyone so much against the police they feel sorry for the guy who was trying to kill the cop. Don't know that the risks of appealing hold much benefit for the lawyers. Maybe the city will start to fight more of these suits.
Considering the estate was asking for $25M, a $1M verdict would have been a huge win for the city. But now with this verdict being erased, there is no way he can be fired...if he is fired, he will have a big wrongful termination lawsuit against the city.
Don't be surprised if the 4.5 finger fool tries to backdoor a $1 million payment to the LaGrier family
and the crack head mom is nowhere to be seen now that there is no payout. you can not make this shit up
The jury showed exactly what the public think she of us. “He acted lawfully but our “FEELINGS” about the police make us want to give out a million dollars. Not shocking as the media portrayal of events, if you were justified in your actions we don’t pay out because of your feelings.
Here's what will happen next: the family's scumbag lawyer will appeal the verdict. The city attorneys will make a half-assed attempt to defend the appeal. A Madigan-appointed appeals judge will reverse the verdict and make Shithead's family ghetto millionaires after all.
And if the Madigan crony judge is feeling especially vengeful, they'll rule officer Rialmo to be at fault.
Who called the police on that thug with a bat
The “community” hates when technicalities work against them.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This is fantastic, from hero millionaire to zero in 2 hours thanks juror and let’s retain this great judge! Lmao this is hysterical!
6/27/2018 09:11:00 PM
I hope the father missed that part from the judge about voiding the payment. I bet he went out looking at cars while the verdict was read and before the judge rendered his decision..
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Why give the "family" any money anyways when just like in Lacquan McDonald they were never there to raise them. Neither had a family.
6/28/2018 02:53:00 AM
That’s the truth.
If anybody sued it should of been his gang.
Stand tall officer Rialmo. It appears the jury was conflicted, but in the end they exonerated you of any unlawful use of deadly force in answering the question posed to them. Thank God you were able to eliminate the threat before the threat used the bat on you, and thank God for an intelligent judge.
Not sure the appeal process will be long. Let’s hope the Appellate Court takes a different view this time
The situation echoed at least one other case in Cook County over a shooting by Chicago police. In 2015, a jury found that an officer shot and killed a 19-year-old man without justification and awarded $3.5 million in damages. In that case, however, the jury also answered a special interrogatory and said the officer believed his life was in danger when he fired. The judge wiped away the verdict, but the Illinois Appellate Court overturned her decision and reinstated the award in February.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Even when you win you lose. These juries can't seem to find for the police and say the officer was justified and the plaintiff deserves nothing.
6/28/2018 02:31:00 AM
You are right. Jurors won’t be to anxious to answer the question on the jury verdict form if they know it will negate any monies that ruled on
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Thank god this judge had common sense.
6/28/2018 01:05:00 AM
Stand up judge that ruled the right way. Her decision made sense. Now let’s hope the Appellate court agrees with her. If they don’t it would be nice if it went to the US SupremeCourt and they ruled in our favor and set precedent so all these ridiculous judgements would be out and the city would not have to pay the enormous settlements for fear the juries would award larger one
Anonymous Anonymous said...
How soon before the liberal left mutton heads will be out protesting this one?
Going to be hard to protest. Even if they say no blacks on jury, doesn’t matter. The jury awarded the father money.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
How can the jury agree that the officer was justified in shooting the assailant and still award money? This makes no sense. These juries are awarding money out of sympathy with no regard to the law or facts.
My guess would be the jury had no idea by signing the statement the dad would lose the money they awarded him. Think one juror, maybe the foreman said they didn’t realize that. Too bad
Anonymous Anonymous said...
In a brilliant legal maneuver the attorney will now sue the estate of the woman who opened the door for the police.
Millions for the easy pickings there!
6/27/2018 11:50:00 PM
Not sure how you reason that. The award was lost because the jury stated it was a justified shooting because Legrier placed them in fear of death or great bodily harm. All she did was open the door and it was a settlement. Hard to get that money back.
Vote yes for Judge Rena Marie Van Tine....
Ghetto lotto should have been stopped years ago.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
IMHO in hindsight the City now looks foolish for settling for $16 million with the estate of Bettie Jones. Too bad there is not a clawback provision. I would sure as hell fire the attorney's who negotiated that settlement.
Apples and oranges. She did nothing to cause her own death. The mental attacked the officers with a baseball bat. Big difference
The Janus decision: Is BAD FOR UNION LEADERSHIP NOT MEMBERSHIP! If they want my money they can't give it to Democrats Slave masters anymore. Most union members vote for conservative candidates. ASFME and SEIU members will be dropping like flies.
Ensure any attorney representing you in court does the same thing - special interrogatory to the jury on the ultimate issue
Im sorry but... It's About Fucking Time!
Rham will find another way to shell out tax payer money for votes
Don't give rham a vote
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The family and the sleazy lawyers played the ghetto lottery and LOST,
***
...and it’s so disappointing to the media. Gorner, Hinckle and Sweeney probably stroked out after the final and certainly appropriate ruling was made by the judge.
(Brodsky other client Drew Peterson...wonder how he’s taking this?)
God bless and keep safe the first responders...and this particular judge, too!
Retired, 30+
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Mamma and Daddy can go back to their free housing and continue to be leeches on society. I'm glad they didn't get anything. This should have never even been in a Courtroom. He was justified. I'd jump for joy if they gave Rialmo the money...now that would be true Justice.
How the fuck do you know this at all?
6/27/2018 10:57:00 PM
Because this guy is smarter than you...Troll !
How the fuck did they come up with his future earnings of 1 mil? Did they add up all the future court costs, incarceration costs, and SSI for this idiot? Dude wouldn't have made it another decade and that's being generous.
One has to wonder why this judge ruled this way. Being a Cook County judge in a highly political case like this, she had to have been given her marching orders on how to rule. One has to wonder what the end game is for such a ruling.
The Rahm-picked, agenda driven Police Board will still move to fire him.
Rahm’s in re-election mode and it’s all about the optics.
Hope the officer now goes after the city. Your clear office now get the hell out of Chicago
Quintonio had been in foster care since 2002. I just love how these "parents" crawl out of the woodwork when they smell a fat check.
The lawyer' will appeal once and run and lick their wounds ! The city will throw the trash parents 20 K and all will be good. Love when Lawyers for these snakes get their asses handed to them and it cost them $$$,
The tide is changing slowly, it will get better when Sessions the U S attorney general starts the purging of these criminal politicians and Rev' who
Who is the mother kidding? She didnt give a shit about her son. But now that the police shot and killed him she is the grieving mother. What a joke. She is just mad she didnt win the ghetto lotto.
Did anybody fall out in the courtroom?
👏
So the family wasn't awarded money based on a technicality? but would have otherwise been paid?
This shows how juries are too stupid and biased in today's climate to deliberate on any case.
stay fetal people
If you're still rolling the dice by being proactive you're a dumb ass.
The big losers are the blood sucking lawyers. No $$$$ for all their effort !!!! All the judge had to do is award any amount of money and they would of been paid for their time !!!
This just proves the city should always fight these frivolous cases!
Anonymous said...
Why did the defense opt for a jury trial on this case? Was a bench trial not available?
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Civil Trial Brainiac.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This has been mentioned a bunch of times, when officers on this blog keep talking about CCL people shooting felon's are going to be sued. There is a law that states, if you are legally defending yourself or another from death or great bodily harm or during the commission of a forceable felony, you are exempt from civil judgements. And lets be real, it wasn't chaotic, it's the fucking law and the judge followed it to the letter. I listened to that idiot jury foremen, who said, the officer used bad judgement. But he and the others, also signed the interrogator statement, with a yes, that the officer was in fear of his life. Well, no shit, he's being attacked by someone with a baseball bat. So, what in the fuck is the opposing attorney going to appeal on, there's nothing. Justifiable self defense triumphs all the bullshit coming from the left. The real sad part, the people on that jury didn't have the decency to do the right thing because of how they would be perceived, in this racially charged atmosphere. That's my two cents, and Tiny Dancer you are one stupid fuck-head.
6/27/2018 10:51:00 PM
Totally correct and why do coppers still think if you shoot someone in self defense you're going to be sued? Hey, a wrongful death suit can be brought, however, a legal self defense shooting is always thrown out usually after the first hearing. It's everyones God given right to defend themselves against a deadly force situation with deadly force. Shoot to kill boys and girls, because you'll have a better change during a Civil Trial. Lets make America Great, be safe, and remain fetal unless you have to eliminate a threat. Kimmy, dart the fart, and tiny dancer, you all suck..........
Was down being deposed on a different case where another shyster lawyer is trying get rich oof the backs of the police and the taxpayers. Shyster walks into the room and shakes everyone's hand except mine, which was fine, I didn't get teary eyed or anything, and I think I pissed him off when I chuckled at him to let him know he didnt piss me off and I wouldn't have shaken his hand anyway. But the bigger point is there were four lawyers in the room all laughing it up and talking about the judge in this case and the other lawyers involved, and all surmising to see what the payout would be. They said if the city offered 16 mil to the incidental then this should be a slam dunk even if it's a last minute offer. These fuckers laugh and giggle about this shit and that was including the city's attorney. I get it, this is every day mundane bullshit for them much like crimescenes are to us, but they were almost giggling about how the system is gamed for cash. The Shyster even says, hey, I like the police a lot of them are my friends even though I sue the shit out of them. There was so much I wanted to say but firstly, there was a court reporter, camera and mic system in the room and I do t trust them not to have it running at all times, and secondly, I wouldn't let them get under my skin, especially since I hadn't testified yet. I wish I could name names of who these attorneys are, but for the sake of protecting my privacy and my testimony when I sit subpoenaed into federal court, I'll keep that to myself. But I will say he is one cocky fucker who is a regular at the sue the police game and a personal friend, confident, mentor type get rich quick fellow who has been seen more than once with the twerp Mayor and fast Eddie's activest buddy, the one that has the triangle shaped head and multiple get rich quick schemes going on right now including a joke of a run for mayor. His triangle shaped head just can't absorbed the fact he is destined for a job in the labor force, or the public aide lines. These lawyers are pukes, it's well known, but they were almost ready to throw down some wagers on the cash cow shitting on the police. I'd love to have gone back to see them cry.
As much I just want to comment, I would just say to be thankful, and go on with life, but she the shot out of the city
news alert , extra , extra
channel 7 identified a shooter by race
Male White in custody
proof they feel all violent criminals are black unless stated differently
Judge RENA TINE has my re-election vote!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
IMHO in hindsight the City now looks foolish for settling for $16 million with the estate of Bettie Jones. Too bad there is not a clawback provision. I would sure as hell fire the attorney's who negotiated that settlement.
Apples and oranges. She did nothing to cause her own death. The mental attacked the officers with a baseball bat. Big difference
16 million is far too large of a settlement either way. 2-3 million or a max of 5-6 can be stomached. Otherwise, this is vote buying. If you feel different about it, fund it with YOUR money.
Ya know. I don’t think this case is gonna go anywhere else... lawyers are gonna need to cut their losses. What were they thinking taking this case. They had wayyyyyyy better odds working with the innocent bystander’s family who got hit by the officers bullet. Serves ya right ya libtards
OT... http://mynorthwest.com/1033832/mass-exodus-of-seattle-officers-over-disgust-with-city-leadership/
This is hard to comprehend:
Family of off-duty Chicago cop killed in high-speed crash while fleeing police sues city
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-cop-killed-police-chase-lawsuit-20180628-story.html
If the chasing coppers were? I can’t complete this sentence just wtf is all this?
Glad the Judge didn't, "Take A Knee" like the Kneeling Misguided Racist Fireman. Raise Your Damn Kids And Shit Like This Won't Happen Stupid!
Anonymous Aint that some shi... said...
The “community” hates when technicalities work against them.
6/28/2018 10:28:00 AM
What do you mean by technicality? The jurors are not versed with actual laws or due process. This Judge obviously is, so based on facts, evidence, testimony and the juries lack of understanding, she upheld the law and ruled accordingly..
A glimmer of justice in a storm cloud of bullshit. May ALL the clouds pass soon!
God bless all LEO's.
I wonder if the biological gestational vessel and the seed donor wish they had taken the offer made by the city? They declined because they thought there was a huge award coming as a result of going to trial. Guess they thought wrong!
A victory not only for the officer, the CPD but also the taxpayers.
How did that POS RAHM and his lackey alderman give millions to the McDonald family before any charges or verdict were reached?
Screw the taxpayers, that's what RAHM seems to do best!
Who called the police on that thug with a bat
6/28/2018 10:25:00 AM
quintonio legrier (that thug with a bat) actually called 911 for help himself 3 times. His father then called once.
do not respond to calls for service at that location scene of the crime!!!!
The deceased lads mama wants the jury called back to change their verdict. She needs the money.
What do you mean by technicality? The jurors are not versed with actual laws or due process. This Judge obviously is, so based on facts, evidence, testimony and the juries lack of understanding, she upheld the law and ruled accordingly..
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exactly
There is a law that states, if you are legally defending yourself or another from death or great bodily harm or during the commission of a forceable felony, you are exempt from civil judgements.
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what is this law you speak of, comrade?
if the judgement is eventually paid to the family, they will get about 1/3, with the rest going to the lawyer, his cut plus expenses. Funny how this go. When there is cash to be had, the family cries about how much this kid meant to them and how much they miss him. It did not seem like that when he was alive.I hope they did not sign that contract for a Mercedes just yet.
To those calling it a "technicality"; it was only a technicality in that the law is a long list of codified technicalities. The law in this case is perfectly clear, leaving to a judge or jury only the determination that the belief of the person involved was reasonable or not, which, in this case, by any stretch of the intellect, it was. I think this case is illustrative of the cognitive abiities of most juries, as someone earlier expressed it, "too dumb to get out of jury duty". Another thing, "a jury of his peers". Arguably, a poice officer's peers, especially in the current climate, are police officers. The argument made in some trial appeals of black persons has been that there were no black persons on the jury. Precedent?
CPD Retired.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The deceased lads mama wants the jury called back to change their verdict. She needs the money.
6/29/2018 03:24:00 AM
Same moms who never showed up to any of the court proceedings?
do not respond to calls for service at that location scene of the crime!!!!
6/29/2018 12:47:00 AM
Sorry, skippy. That's not how it works. We respond to calls for service from everyone, regardless of who they are or who they sued. Are you the police? Do you realize how many people who call for service hate the police, especially the white police? Do you realize that those same police go rushing in to help those who hate them, in their time of need? When these leeches call for service again, as they surely will, they will get police service. If we only responded to calls from people who love us and don't sue us, we would never leave the station. We do our job for everyone. That's how it works.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
How can the jury agree that the officer was justified in shooting the assailant and still award money? This makes no sense. These juries are awarding money out of sympathy with no regard to the law or facts.
My guess would be the jury had no idea by signing the statement the dad would lose the money they awarded him. Think one juror, maybe the foreman said they didn’t realize that. Too bad
6/28/2018 11:12:00 AM
You can't just award money because you feel bad that something happened and you feel sorry for somebody. There has to be culpability. Their answer to the question shows they thought he felt he had to shoot so no award should ever have been made.
Has the city council approved the 16 million dollar settlement. Those settlements are tentative pending the city councils approval. If it hasn’t been approved, the council should not approve it and go back to negotiate a new settlement. In lieu of the new development
Great article in the Trib from 1/8/16 about this loving mother and son who “wouldn’t hurt insects”. Given the pressure and BS officers deal with, I don’t know how you folks do your jobs, but I sincerely thank you.
6/28/2018 11:12:00 AM
You can't just award money because you feel bad that something happened and you feel sorry for somebody. There has to be culpability. Their answer to the question shows they thought he felt he had to shoot so no award should ever have been made.
Unfortunately a jury can and has been doing it for years. If that question wasn’t on the jury verdict sheet, that exactly what they would have done
Anonymous said...
The Janus decision: Is BAD FOR UNION LEADERSHIP NOT MEMBERSHIP! If they want my money they can't give it to Democrats Slave masters anymore. Most union members vote for conservative candidates. ASFME and SEIU members will be dropping like flies.
6/28/2018 11:43:00 AM
Thank you. Someone GETS IT.
I'll point at the Traffic Aides at OEMC as an example. 419 of them are Part Time, "Fair Share" Employees of SEIU. The Full Timers and the Union screamed Bloody Murder when OEMC started hiring part timers, they didn't want to represent them, but they wanted the Union Dues. My First Week, I found out whom the Shop Steward was, and called Him to introduce myself. He was "offended by the call" when he found out I was Part Time and never would take my calls afterwards. Once I got Full Time at Revenue/Finance I called him back and Read that moron the riot act and let him know I would go out of my way via Procedure to make sure he lost his union job.
I'm still here and He is not.
Being able to threaten the Cash Flow of the Unions if they don't actually FIGHT for their members. We can hold the E Boards and Field Reps and Stewards feet over the fire now. We can Dump payments to the Bloated paychecks of the Executives of the Locals and Make them DO their actual jobs and not pander to City Hall for jobs and promotions for their Kids.
Now, having said the above....
Someone needs to follow the money from Janus. How does a AFSME union member afford a Lawyer to go all the way to SCOTUS? Did Rauner get out his checkbook to cover the $$$ when he got slapped down by the court originally?
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
How can the jury agree that the officer was justified in shooting the assailant and still award money? This makes no sense. These juries are awarding money out of sympathy with no regard to the law or facts.
My guess would be the jury had no idea by signing the statement the dad would lose the money they awarded him. Think one juror, maybe the foreman said they didn’t realize that. Too bad
6/28/2018 11:12:00 AM
You can't just award money because you feel bad that something happened and you feel sorry for somebody. There has to be culpability. Their answer to the question shows they thought he felt he had to shoot so no award should ever have been made.
6/29/2018 10:47:00 AM
The moron jury foreman was whining about feeling "hood winked."
The Interrogatory they all signed was a "dirty trick."
smdh...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
do not respond to calls for service at that location scene of the crime!!!!
6/29/2018 12:47:00 AM
Sorry, skippy. That's not how it works. We respond to calls for service from everyone, regardless of who they are or who they sued. Are you the police? Do you realize how many people who call for service hate the police, especially the white police? Do you realize that those same police go rushing in to help those who hate them, in their time of need? When these leeches call for service again, as they surely will, they will get police service. If we only responded to calls from people who love us and don't sue us, we would never leave the station. We do our job for everyone. That's how it works.
6/29/2018 10:42:00 AM
Good point. What is the percentage of people we deal with, 4-6%? That 4-6% is good for business, otherwise this city wouldn't that many Police. This profession will never become irrelevant. Maybe the original poster should open a strictly cupcake store and see how that works out.
On Channel 11-WTTW's Chicago Week In Review, Laura Washington of the Scum-Times said, not verbatim, there will most likely be an appeal because one very similar case was appealed in the past and the outcome was reversed. The family ended up getting the money. I hope she is wrong about this one. Hopefully, the LeGriers will not get a dime!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
On Channel 11-WTTW's Chicago Week In Review, Laura Washington of the Scum-Times said, not verbatim, there will most likely be an appeal because one very similar case was appealed in the past and the outcome was reversed. The family ended up getting the money. I hope she is wrong about this one. Hopefully, the LeGriers will not get a dime!
6/30/2018 01:32:00 AM
Laura Washington didn’t do her homework and research before talking. After the case she mentioned was overturned on a technicality because the words”necessary to prevent” weren’t included in the first case. They were included in the LeGrier case interrogatory question, so that basis for appeal is gone
The LeGrier case marked the second time in recent history that a lawsuit over a Chicago police shooting was thrown into uncertainty by a conflicting jury finding. In 2015, a Cook County jury found that an officer shot and killed 19-year-old Niko Husband without justification and awarded $3.5 million in damages. But the jury answered a special interrogatory and said the officer reasonably believed Husband presented an immediate threat of death or great bodily harm.
The judge wiped away the verdict, but the Illinois Appellate Court overturned her decision and reinstated the verdict in February. The decision turned on the fact that the interrogatory did not ask jurors if the use of force was “necessary to prevent” imminent death or great bodily harm. The appeals judges ruled that asking jurors whether the shooting was necessary to avert the threat was “indispensable.”
In the LeGrier case, the special interrogatory included that language and closely resembled the state law on justifiable shootings by police.
McCaffrey said that the city’s lawyers adjusted the language to account for the appellate ruling from the Husband case. McCaffrey confirmed that private attorney Brian Gainer worked for the city on both cases.
Veteran lawyer Terry Ekl said he believed that adjustment in the interrogatory’s language likely means the judge’s ruling will hold up on appeal.
Sorry, skippy. That's not how it works. We respond to calls for service from everyone, regardless of who they are or who they sued. Are you the police? Do you realize how many people who call for service hate the police, especially the white police? Do you realize that those same police go rushing in to help those who hate them, in their time of need? When these leeches call for service again, as they surely will, they will get police service. If we only responded to calls from people who love us and don't sue us, we would never leave the station. We do our job for everyone. That's how it works.
Sorry but this touchy feely directive is getting expensive for law abiding taxpayers. Need to change terms of sevice instead of paying out millions after something goes wrong when police respond. They don't want the police? Leave them alone.
Laura Washington didn’t do her homework and research before talking. After the case she mentioned was overturned on a technicality because the words "necessary to prevent” weren’t included in the first case. They were included in the LeGrier case interrogatory question, so that basis for appeal is gone
7/01/2018 10:47:00 AM
I hoped it was merely wishful thinking on her part. I guess some wishes don't come true! Good! And, God bless Officer Rialmo.
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