SWAT Redeployment?
Trouble in SWAT-land?
- Did you think that your proposal was going to bring the city to it’s knees? Hope you remember how to answer calls. Your days of overtime and sleeping at Sox games are over. Hope your blue uniform still fits. You will be answering calls on the south and west side. Your body cams are being ordered. Now go get your shoe shine box.
8/08/2018 08:58:00 PM
Hearing the rumours that swat will be sent back to districts on all three watches. If an HBT incident occurs they will redeploy to that location. They will get two training days a month. This is in response to them banding together and refusing to volunteer for a search warrant and not responding to an HBT job while off duty. Swat boys want D3 pay and on call pay for being on stand by when off duty. City is pissed.
Refusing a search warrant? Not responding to a call-out? Isn't that part of the assignment?
We have a hard time seeing the old HBT bosses letting this fly. Of course, we have a hard time seeing the old bosses allowing any one of the current sergeants and lieutenants remain after the stunts they've been pulling the past few years.
We have a hard time seeing the old HBT bosses letting this fly. Of course, we have a hard time seeing the old bosses allowing any one of the current sergeants and lieutenants remain after the stunts they've been pulling the past few years.
Labels: department issues, from the comments
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
123 Comments:
Yeah screw them, maybe it’s time for them to start handling a domestic or traffic crash
Most of the time they are doing nothing.
Hroma volunteered the troops for this.
Every SWAT guy I’ve ever dealt with had a ‘tude. Kind of like the late Agent Johnson and the late Agent Johnson who died at the Nakatomi building in the mid 80s
If this plan goes through, it will be precisely how the old HBT was but without the discipline and old time police of the past.
I commend them! If it's true, it means that officers in a Unit are STICKING TOGETHER!
Something that most watches, not even whole Districts can't seem to do!
Most important letter in SWAT is the "T" for TEAM!
Disband the whole unit and call the county or a neighboring town when there is a “real” need. I’m sure they would jump on it.
Sweet, they can come to 015 where Cmdr Cato III has so many cars down on fixed posts that nobody is ever available to handle the influx of daily radio jobs. Maybe he'll have designated parking spots for them too. Oh wait, those are only for his office dollies. Lemme' lead ya troops.... Hey Ernie/Theo, GFYS!!!
Listen, the guys on SWAT are over entitled, egotistical, and (compared to other departments SWAT units) extremely unprepared for anything that doesn’t involve waiting for a subject to surrender.
BUT
I admire the goofs for sticking together. We’re constantly complaining that everyone bends to the will of bosses and the city because theyre too afraid of losing their spots. Well, here’s an example otherwise
See what happens when you fight back.
All you OT clowns who work special and weaken any leverage for contract talks.
I know you have bills to pay and alimony from you teen moms.
Consent decree whats that?
too busy to read planning my next trip to great America.
Forced worked days cancelled RDO?
Why me i am a TACT guy and dont care what i have to do because i wear jeans and still receive the same pay as a foot guy.
Police have suggested Union Unity, and Job Action.
Was this a (possible, maybe, not actually as that maybe is illegal) job action? If so, shouldn't this group be supported?
You destroy a police department,and/or a government, from whithin.
Prima Donnas in a clout-run environment??
Is that shocking?
Not to me.
While swat does have quite a few really good guys the majority of them are a bunch of over glorified dbags who think they're seal team 6 or something. Disband the unit and start up a sort team in each area on ALL three watches. Just to make it fair have ISP conduct the testing and don't allow any city input!
D3 for a voluntary position? Go back to patrol then.
put ur blue cargos on enjoy ur retail theft and domestic calls💩
Not happening too much federal money given to them
Nice great idea.
This will be a "Shock" for some of these pre-Madonnas who think they are better than beat cops. It must be nice to be paid to train and work-out for your entire career. I guess the T.V. series SWAT has inspired these Wanna Be Assassins to think they are "Special". Consider the Reality: 1. How many times, out of all their call outs, do they get to a scene before it is resolved by District Personnel? That stat would be interesting. 2. Their "Snipers" train rigorously, yet how many citizens have they actually killed since the Unit's inception? Almost every year in recent memory, when it became necessart to kill, the killing was done by an out of shape District Cop. 3. Where is the "Diversity" in SWAT? How many women and minorities are in it? 4. Why is all of their training wasted, on a handful of Muscle Heads, while District Personnel are lucky to get a few hours YEARLY at the range? 5. How is it that officers promoted from SWAT, always manage to Return to SWAT? SWAT should have never been a UNIT onto itself. District personnel should have been rotated in and out of the Unit on a regular basis, thus assuring that the expertise and training would be available without requiring overtime deployment. When the SWAT Lieutenant retired, after years of declining higher promotion, with almost a half of a million dollars of overtime pay; at that point someone should have seen there was a problem. But then again, Fred received "Special" treatment and was allowed to create a "Cult". Once again the question: Is Art (T.V.) imitating life, or is life trying to imitate Fantasy Entertainment? Baby "G"
are they the same guys used as extras on the blues brothers?
got to be pretty fucking old now. give them a break.
Merit Sgt and Lt Tom Lamb couldn’t lead a romper room class
Does anyone know where I can find the downloadable application to come back from retirement?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Most important letter in SWAT is the "T" for TEAM!
8/10/2018 12:41:00 AM
Yeah but the “T” in SWAT stands for Tactics.
Sounds like a whole lot of envy on this post!! Yeah the swat guys have a "tude" so what they don't answer calls. 75% of people in beat cars won't execute a search warrant! I'm not a swat guy, I'm a beat guy! but those guys stuck together unlike everyone else! Many of the people talking shit would run to swat, tac or any unit, take all the shit the city gives them and fuck us all over in a heartbeat just to get ahead
"pre-Madonnas?"
WTAF
What would E. Fred do?
Hate to say it but SWAT is another do nothing gig in this department. They hang out most of the day work out and surf the web for cool 5.11 gear. They are great at what they do but dont need to be a full time unit of guys who show up to a scene and in the end do nothing. Sorry guys but it's the truth.
Everyone can throw insults at them, but at least they stick together even if it has a negative outcome for them. That's real balls. If officers did that throughout the department, it would bring the city to its knees.
Maybe he'll have designated parking spots for them too. Oh wait, those are only for his office dollies. Lemme' lead ya troops.... Hey Ernie/Theo, GFYS!!!
8/10/2018 01:14:00 AM
Dont forget the 4 year on the job female, Berni that he has as his assist secretary that gets her own spot. What a way to loose the respect of the troops. Sorry Cato had high hope's but nobody wants to do anything for you. Lastly, F/U Theo nobody likes you.
2:40 am and baby g are spot on, but we still have the poor leadership problem.
SS
If you have a rifle you should be paid for it.
Bullwinkle: Hey Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat
Rocky: But that trick never works.
Same old shit.
All you need is a heavy weapons truck and a couple dics. It worked for years.
Will they still be able to chat "hut...hut...hut" while responding to domestics?
Noe, kees me you fool!!!!
I commend them! If it's true, it means that officers in a Unit are STICKING TOGETHER!
Something that most watches, not even whole Districts can't seem to do!
That’s because unlike the districts were some get favored like bosses kids, spouses and bang buddies, SWAT are all equal. So excuse me if after 23 years I’m a bit bitter.
Hey, remember in that national SWAT team competition a few years ago?
CPD SWAT finished “dead last”. Beat out by many smaller city police units
Not doing your ASSIGNED job is NOT sticking TOGETHER! It's stupidity!
No on can force you to write movers, parkers, ANOV's (unless ordered by a supervisor). Same goes for arrests except OOP and warrants.
BUT, you DO have to answer your jobs and respond in a timely manner without delay. See the difference??? If you don't, ur an idiot, just like them.
Baby G, you are showing your ass about not being able to pass the tryouts and filing (yet another) bullshit EEO lawsuit. No wonder E. Fred wouldn't take you on the team, all your misrepresenting of the facts and whining.
Your "Facts and stats" are straight out of fantasy land and have worse legitimacy than the department's diversity stats.
Rotating people in and out of any unit is a waste of funding and "typically" has minimal gains. Specialized unit training (i.e. basic course) is just that, the bare minimum tools that it takes to accomplish a job. That does not make up a seasoned team.
All your years hiding in mass transit should've taught you something.
Go steal another award from the coppers who did the dirty work for you.
Everyone always bashes SWAT or other inside units for not working the beat. Well after almost 20 years of working shit holes if I had known what I know now I would found an inside unit to finish my career. That’s after my first five years. Anyone that says otherwise is telling a lie.
I was at a HBT incident at 19th Sacramento when SWAT shows up some years back. I was covering a hallway door when the SWAT retard walked up and said, alright step aside it's time for me to go to work, you're either swat or your not. Idiot wound up shooting himself in the leg later that evening when breaching
It has been city city tactic for decades to threaten officers assigned to special units if they did not comply with the department's abuse of overtime and many other things. I recall in the Intelligence Unit we were all called in and asked to sign pledge cards for charities and those that refused would be transferred. We worked overtime and call outs on weekends and could not put in for OT, again with the threats. That was under Slyvan. I suspect it is no different now. The city needs to hire more police officers and get those desk jockies out on the streets once and for all.
As long as there is OT, 4600A is there!
Never gonna happen, headquarters in panic mode! Grasping at straws. The body count will continue to rise...
Beat car 1st 16 th the only way to go no force OT it has become a due nothing job and you don't have to write paper jobs
Rahms security detail should be outsourced to Andy Frain. ♠️
Sounds like their gravy train is hitting some bumpy tracks.
“....Just to make it fair have ISP conduct the testing and don't allow any city input!”
...
Your suggesting this because of what?
ISP stellar job of of not solving highway (or many other) shootings or is it because of the uncontrolled Dan Ryan march of “the community”??
Sounds like their gravy train is hitting some bumpy tracks.
I gotta say, at least they stick together!
Isn't that why we get duty availability pay. The city can cancel your RDO,but has to pay you overtime!
I do see them sticking together as a good thing. However SWAT (even Old HBT) has always been Self Detached from the Department. They don't associate with other blue shirts by their own allegiance to themselves.
I remember back at the TABD (2002?) conference when we were ALL staged (In riot gear) in the basement garage of downtown hotel. Swat/HBT put up curtains ensuring their privacy in their area, (from Patrol!) during our down time, stand by mode. They never associated with the other patrol division officers. We all played cards, watched movies, and mixed it up with each other as we saw fit.
My point is, SWAT has never thought of themselves as Part of a larger team. They are good old boys club from the get go. Run by clouted bosses, hand picked, etc...same old story.
I always heard the story about the former Navy SEAL, now Police Officer who tried and couldn't get picked up for SWAT duty on CPD. True? We will never know, but it seems to fit the personality of the CPD/Swat hierarchy.
Sorry, but the unit could use disbanding. If only to humble themselves. Also, any real SWAT team should be willing to hold training for the rest of Patrol on some occasions. If their training is so valuable, why not use it to train other qualified and willing individuals. Their mission should be reevaluated and when Federal funding comes in, a useful SWAT team could be formed with a better refinement of their goals and roles in a large department such as CPD.
Blogger Baby"G" said...
This will be a "Shock" for some of these pre-Madonnas who think they are better than beat cops. 2. Their "Snipers" train rigorously, yet how many citizens have they actually killed since the Unit's inception? Almost every year in recent memory, when it became necessary to kill, the killing was done by an out of shape District Cop. 4. Why is all of their training wasted, on a handful of Muscle Heads, while District Personnel are lucky to get a few hours YEARLY at the range? Baby "G"
I read this and remembered way back when we switched to striker fired guns, we had a SWAT guy in there with his Glock and some District Sergeant with his Springfield XD. SWAT guy was all big and bad-ass until the Sgt. blew him away with the qualification. Wasn't even close and the whole class made fun of the SWAT guy and he hid in a corner afterwards!
Department rather have them stand around the Wintrust arena with the other 300 people inside. 🙄 Gotta keep Dep Chief S.G. Happy.
This is exactly what they need to do with that police shooting team that Melissa Staples created. You know Eddie, just because she is your girl does not mean she should be in a job of that magnitude. From Melissa, to Dwayne Betts, to Elgin Holt, to Barb West,to Gloria Hanna, we have the epitome of incompetence, and you wonder what's wrong with the city. That also includes his wife's best friend and husband who are both sergeants meritoriously. Where is the Inspector General exactly? What a complete farce.
Back to the Detective Division and this shooting team that depleted almost half of Area South's Detectives. This should be a call out team. Hell, they have more Detectives assigned to that Unit than all of Area South's Homicide Unit including the new Detectives. How often do we have a police shooting? Detectives have been investigating police shootings since the Division's establishment. Why do you need a team with take home cars, unmarked at that, that work only when their is an incident. And how many detectives do you need for one incident and how often are they deployed. This is a complete waste of manpower. Look at the number of Detectives assigned, Sergeants and Lieutenants. Ridiculous use of manpower. I agree with them specializing in police shootings, but it doesn't take all of that to be effective and get a job of that magnitude done. Start there for bodies.
This post and focus on SWAT is that same miserable and dumped and incompetent ass sergeant. At some point he needs to get some therapy, but I'm glad the door was opened.
Blogger Baby"G" said...
This will be a "Shock" for some of these pre-Madonnas who think they are better than beat cops. It must be nice to be paid to train and work-out for your entire career. I guess the T.V. series SWAT has inspired these Wanna Be Assassins to think they are "Special". Consider the Reality: 1. How many times, out of all their call outs, do they get to a scene before it is resolved by District Personnel? That stat would be interesting. 2. Their "Snipers" train rigorously, yet how many citizens have they actually killed since the Unit's inception? Almost every year in recent memory, when it became necessart to kill, the killing was done by an out of shape District Cop. 3. Where is the "Diversity" in SWAT? How many women and minorities are in it? 4. Why is all of their training wasted, on a handful of Muscle Heads, while District Personnel are lucky to get a few hours YEARLY at the range? 5. How is it that officers promoted from SWAT, always manage to Return to SWAT? SWAT should have never been a UNIT onto itself. District personnel should have been rotated in and out of the Unit on a regular basis, thus assuring that the expertise and training would be available without requiring overtime deployment. When the SWAT Lieutenant retired, after years of declining higher promotion, with almost a half of a million dollars of overtime pay; at that point someone should have seen there was a problem. But then again, Fred received "Special" treatment and was allowed to create a "Cult". Once again the question: Is Art (T.V.) imitating life, or is life trying to imitate Fantasy Entertainment? Baby "G"
You had my attention until you used the race and gender card. That made all your good points look and seem like total bullshit.
What do the range guys do at the area ranges? Always have a chip on their shoulder and a war story to tell, if they are there.
8/10/2018 03:37:00 AM
Blogger Baby"G" said...
This will be a "Shock" for some of these pre-Madonnas who think they are better than beat cops. It must be nice to be paid to train and work-out for your entire career. I guess the T.V. series SWAT has inspired these Wanna Be Assassins to think they are "Special". Consider the Reality: 1. How many times, out of all their call outs, do they get to a scene before it is resolved by District Personnel? That stat would be interesting. 2. Their "Snipers" train rigorously, yet how many citizens have they actually killed since the Unit's inception? Almost every year in recent memory, when it became necessart to kill, the killing was done by an out of shape District Cop. 3. Where is the "Diversity" in SWAT? How many women and minorities are in it? 4. Why is all of their training wasted, on a handful of Muscle Heads, while District Personnel are lucky to get a few hours YEARLY at the range? 5. How is it that officers promoted from SWAT, always manage to Return to SWAT? SWAT should have never been a UNIT onto itself. District personnel should have been rotated in and out of the Unit on a regular basis, thus assuring that the expertise and training would be available without requiring overtime deployment. When the SWAT Lieutenant retired, after years of declining higher promotion, with almost a half of a million dollars of overtime pay; at that point someone should have seen there was a problem. But then again, Fred received "Special" treatment and was allowed to create a "Cult". Once again the question: Is Art (T.V.) imitating life, or is life trying to imitate Fantasy Entertainment? Baby "G"
Skip number 3. Not a fan of SWAT , but lowering the standards won’t help
Swat had been in a negative spotlight because of the weak leadership. The Lamb, Johnny Overtime (242k), Shaky Charlie and Crazy Red have destroyed the team. Blame them. The training Sgt is a complete wacko who injured a PO and nothing happened to him. Clout allows you to do whatever you want including injuring blue shirts and getting away with it. Fuck SWAT! They are in the top 15 percent of OT in the city abs they want D3 Pay? Assholes.
That's all you need is a guy(s) like Vegas experienced, on the high ground shooting and killing a bunch. And then the Department starts scrambling to find SWAT trained personal in a District. Sure there's a few assholes in the group and some have big heads over being in an elite unit, but they are needed in such situations and more. Whoever Baby G is, diversity WTF, give it a rest. If you are from the lib left and it appears you are from your use of diversity, you sir are now identified. Your credibility has changed, Baby "G".
HBT/SWAT have been looking for enhanced pay for decades. This is another way to divide and conquer. Good to see they are sticking together. There is nothing wrong with enhanced pay for special skills. It already exists (Marine Unit, Mounted Unit, E.T., Explosive Tech.... the list goes on. It should motivate people to better themselves and try something new.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You destroy a police department,and/or a government, from whithin.
8/10/2018 02:08:00 AM
correct
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sweet, they can come to 015 where Cmdr Cato III has so many cars down on fixed posts that nobody is ever available to handle the influx of daily radio jobs. Maybe he'll have designated parking spots for them too. Oh wait, those are only for his office dollies. Lemme' lead ya troops.... Hey Ernie/Theo, GFYS!!!
Maybe you can stay on your fixed post in 15 since you couldn’t pass the physical to get on SWAT and stop bagging on those who passed. I think Cato already called in the cook county sheriffs police to take back your district.
They bottom line is swat is a team, we made a decision and we ALL stand behind it as 1. So start training for the next test.
They belong in a districts keep them in their cool green uniforms they can answer calls we could use them as quickly as possible then when they have an incident somewhere they could all get together and meet just like I do now nothing different just the same but more accountability which is what is needed right now.
When minutes count, SWAT is only hours away.
Theres Sumpin Screwy in Swatland...Why band together on/against something that's their job?
And D3 pay?? I'm sorry, that's out of the question. Being paid for being on standby? I guess an early duck now and then is no longer desirable.
Now, you want to train, pay for your own ammo....And BTW let them answer a few burglar alarm calls just to remember....And check out a parking ticket book.
Looks like "The Elite" swat Unit is getting picky...and demanding more. Too Bad!
Refusing a search warrant? Not responding to a call-out? Isn't that part of the assignment?
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This all stems from The SQUAT boys thinking they are so special that they shouldn’t be swiping. They work massive amount of overtime doing nothing and they don’t like swiping out. They want an exemption and Hroma refused to ask the chain of command. Now they actually are going to have to work a full eight hours of OT instead of six. Wink, Wink. They are pissed about having to actually show up for work on time instead of 40 min late. The ghost payroller training sgt is really pissed that he has to swipe in. Waaaaa!! Waaaaaaa! If they had to swipe out at the end of their tour daily they might have a nervous breakdown.
This will be a "Shock" for some of these pre-Madonnas who think they are better than beat cops.
8/10/2018 04:05:00 AM
There isn’t a single guy on SWAT that’s pre-Madonna. Hell I’m 53 and I was in high school when she hit it big. I’m barely pre-Madonna. Just to be safe and lump them into one group, I would say they’re mostly pre-Kardashian.
My dress hat doesn't fit I must have gotten smarter !
Don't write movers or parkers we did it in the 1980s and it did work traffic court was empty for months
Refusing a search warrant? Not responding to a call-out? Isn't that part of the assignment?
Dump these bitches to a district. I think swat should be on each watch and each district. Who do they think they are? Most of those guys were asshats as patrolman.
While swat does have quite a few really good guys the majority of them are a bunch of over glorified dbags who think they're seal team 6 or something. Disband the unit and start up a sort team in each area on ALL three watches. Just to make it fair have ISP conduct the testing and don't allow any city input!
8/10/2018 02:40:00 AM
Great idea!!
SWAT is like the gangs of old. That sgt jumps you in, now he gets to jump you out.
Swat does refuse search warrants, but only if they think it’s fucked up for some reason. Not cause it’s dangerous, but basically because they feel the guy that put it together is dumber then a sack of shit, being dishonest, or being careless. I’ve seen tact teams and swat get into before because swat refuses to do a search warrant, and rightfully so. It’s their guys going in to do the warrant. They don’t care if shit is getting flushed down the toilet, just that everyone stays safe.
Hroma volunteered the troops for this.
Hroma is doing his job. Stop bitching about swiping. He can’t do anything about it. It’s not Hroma’s fault. I told you not to send that letter BUT you didn’t listen to me. Now because of you assholes we might be going back to a district. Drop the law suit and safety grievance and answer your phone when off duty. The city doesn’t owe us anything. We are lucky to be here. At least all of us have take home cars and as much overtime as one can work. We do very little compared to Patrol. Stop bitching.
Of course, we have a hard time seeing the old bosses allowing any one of the current sergeants and lieutenants remain after the stunts they've been pulling the past few years.
The Sgts and LT on swat do not care about the team. PROMTIONS is the buzz word. Knee pads are for merit promotions.
This will be a "Shock" for some of these pre-Madonnas who think they are better than beat cops.
REALLY? YOU WANT SOMEBODY TO TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT A PRIMA DONNA IS? or how to spell it.
I have a great pleasure to be able to work with SWAT very closely. Like any unit there are some arrogant pricks, but the majority are very good and decent human beings. Furthermore, Clout be damned: this is a unit designed and assembled by competency. There is uncorrupted testing and many of the clouted wash out or have washed out. No one is going to sponsor a clout position on SWAT because unlike most other units, an unqualified person in the wrong position can be catastrophic.
Please know what you are talking about before actually talking about it. You are just making yourself look foolish. Be glad that you have the ability to hide behind an anonymity.
The public reads some of these posts and it's embarrassing to think that some of you cannot even assemble a sentence properly.
I agree with each district having swat trained officers. You do not need a centralized swat team. They always are showing up late when we need them. Each watch can have swat officers. They won’t even need take home cars since they will be working on each district
To disband the SWAT TEAM would send a message of complete vulnerability to the serious radicals. For a city the size of ours to not have a 24/7 SWAT Team is inviting terror. Was never a fan but my god stick together you guys and go to the media with your concerns. Hello Nickeas, Kass,Roe Conn, anybody we are about to be full exposed over bosses hurt feelings.
Cheez, give them a break will ya!
EVERY district/unit has their share of goofs.
Why pick on SWAT? While I hope they're never utilized for an event like in NY or the shoot-out in LA, we could use their expertise, when necessary.
THEY apparently stuck together only to be ripped here on SCC en masse without regard for undeserving individuals.
Give it a break, especially when your posted info is innuendo, or just plain old jealousy, because you're stuck in a rut and believe that their entitled.
A sad commentary how we are our own worst enemies.
Stay Safe, EVERYONE and may God Bless and watch over all our fellow 'first responders.'
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Most important letter in SWAT is the "T" for TEAM!
8/10/2018 12:41:00 AM
Yeah but the “T” in SWAT stands for Tactics.
8/10/2018 06:08:00 AM
Lol you beat me to it. Doesn't everyone know what SWAT stands for? Special Weapons and Tactics not Team, nitwit.
http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/08/10/chicago-pastor-rips-emanuel-calls-trumps-help-gun-violence-send-guard-troops
What ever happened to that psycho Sgt who caused that PO to go to the hospital? Is he still on SWAT?
Just scamming all around. How about the Asian kid who couldn’t tread water and sank like a rock but they picked him over every other applicant that passed all the tests. Who else was there and saw the Asian copper struggling drowning and the pulled him to the side??? Guess he used his phone call . Heard he was an army ranger too. You would think an army ranger would be able to tread water but I guess the standards have dropped quite a bit from back in my days
That's all you need is a guy(s) like Vegas experienced, on the high ground shooting and killing a bunch. And then the Department starts scrambling to find SWAT trained personal in a District. Sure there's a few assholes in the group and some have big heads over being in an elite unit, but they are needed in such situations and more. Whoever Baby G is, diversity WTF, give it a rest. If you are from the lib left and it appears you are from your use of diversity, you sir are now identified. Your credibility has changed, Baby "G".
8/10/2018 10:53:00 AM
You must be new here.
I was there for the swat swim qual. I was in close proximity to him and saw him struggle to keep his head above water. My normal reaction was to help the guy but the Sgt pulled him to the side so he could hold onto the side of the pool smh. It’s a shame because there was a lot of good former military including myself who passed everything legit but the Asian guy with the phone call gets picked up smh.This same P.O. made $18,000 in overtime for the first three Months of the of the year on swat. He’s number five on the OT list! How do you earn $18,000 on swat in OT in three months when you have five years on the job??? Anybody
To disband the SWAT TEAM would send a message of complete vulnerability to the serious radicals. For a city the size of ours to not have a 24/7 SWAT Team is inviting terror. Was never a fan but my god stick together you guys and go to the media with your concerns. Hello Nickeas, Kass,Roe Conn, anybody we are about to be full exposed over bosses hurt feelings.
8/10/2018 03:05:00 PM
Not true. Name one Active Shooter incident that was resolved by swat and not First Responders since the Hollywood Shoot our. Carbines are a game changer.
Bomb techs get D3 pay. ET, marine unit, also extra pay. K9 gets an hour before and after their tour to transport their dogs. All units in special functions get extra pay for special skills and knowledge, except swat. Everyone gets duty availability, but how many times have you been called in the middle of the night to respond to a job? If the district called you at 0300 would you even answer the phone? Then would you drive to the south side of the city from 016? You know the answer. Would never happen. Say what you want about SWAT but they are being used in ways no other team in the country is and they are asking for what's fair and what's safe. D3 was never brought up, just someone trying to stir the pot. Increased pay scale was never brought up. There are a lot of demands being on swat, most are dedicated humble guys. Those spewing bitterness and hatred towards the team probably have no experience with the team and don't know anything about what they do on a daily basis. My suggestion is, if you are willing to do the job of swat without wanting anything extra, please try out. I'm sure the city would love to have you.
Why Hire when it’s easier to Disband?
Jugghaid can give everyone in the District an M4, a can of Monster, a Marlboro and of course a backwards ball cap.
As if there isn’t enough sour pusses. Don’t forget to swipe too.
No mention of cleaning out the HQ House Mouse Club yet.
Shouldn’t NON Essentials be first to be returned to Full Duty?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
To disband the SWAT TEAM would send a message of complete vulnerability to the serious radicals. For a city the size of ours to not have a 24/7 SWAT Team is inviting terror. Was never a fan but my god stick together you guys and go to the media with your concerns. Hello Nickeas, Kass,Roe Conn, anybody we are about to be full exposed over bosses hurt feelings.
8/10/2018 03:05:00 PM
It's not being disbanded, just decentralized. The respond from their assignments instead of home, or Homan. No matter where they're needed, some will always be closer.
“This will be a "Shock" for some of these pre-Madonnas who think they are better than beat cops.“ - 8/10/2018 04:05:00 AM
Privileged few at that, delicate gamer types, Call2Duty perhaps.
Counselors on alert.
Disband and retool the entire Dept as SOWATv2.0 (Service Oriented With a Twist)
Experts in Verbal Judo, Apology 101 and cheerful, welcoming community inspired attire. And no guns.
So what is pre - Madonna?
A person born before 1958 and worked strictly Beat Assignments on a rotating Watch prior to 1983, the post-punk era.
(i.e. Borderline, released 1984 Sire Records, Warner label).
The period well before the short lived Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, later deemed unfair and disproportionate, eventually succumbed to restorative justice reforms under Holder DOJ 21st Century Policing Task Force model.
I read this and remembered way back when we switched to striker fired guns, we had a SWAT guy in there with his Glock and some District Sergeant with his Springfield XD. SWAT guy was all big and bad-ass until the Sgt. blew him away with the qualification. Wasn't even close and the whole class made fun of the SWAT guy and he hid in a corner afterwards!
8/10/2018 10:24:00 AM
I read this and call bullshit. The truth of the matter is the swat team had Glocks approximately 2 years before Glocks were approved for the rest of the department . Each member was issued a brand new department issued glock 17, I believe this was in 2005/2006 when Jody Weiss was sup. Secondly swat team memebers are trained and qualified by the firearm instructors assigned to the swat team, therefore they would not have done a transition course with the anyone else not assigned to SWAT.
A lot of mofo’s drinking the hatearade up in this thread. Good for my former brothers in green for taking a stand and sticking together. Good luck and stay safe....
Signed,
GI
Good for you SWAT guys for sticking together. Wish the rest of us could do the same instead of always just complaining.
The Task Force, Area 1,2,4, and 6 had Heavy Weapons Teams. Which would be the equivalent of a SWAT Team. The weapons were kept in the Area Detective Units, usually Robbery. The sniper rifles were 30-06 Rem/Winchester with a fixed 12 powered scope. The mod #37 12ga and 30cal Carbines complemented the sniper and spotter. A team of five would be deployed with the mentioned weapons. A lot has changed since 1969-73 with sniper rifles and other weapons. Back then, when you grabbed a rifle you hoped it still was properly sighted-in and you just did not have range time that SWAT personal have today. You guys sound like the Democrats that are calling for ICE to be disbanded. I'm disappointed in the Baby-G and his diversity pitch.
Diversity, Diversity, WTF baby-g!!!!!
Here is why SWAT has a manpower/call in problem. Everyone on SWAT is either in a Fri/Sat or Sat/ Sun day off group. Got that? Weekends, when things are the busiest. That's also how they get a ton of OT. Most events are over weekends. This is an admin problem that can easily be worked out.
Not true. Name one Active Shooter incident that was resolved by swat and not First Responders since the Hollywood Shoot our. Carbines are a game changer.
8/10/2018 07:55:00 PM
39th and Wallace and 500 W Madison, just to name a few
Not true. Name one Active Shooter incident that was resolved by swat and not First Responders since the Hollywood Shoot our. Carbines are a game changer.
8/10/2018 07:55:00 PM
39th and Wallace and 500 W Madison, just to name a few
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I was there for the swat swim qual. I was in close proximity to him and saw him struggle to keep his head above water. My normal reaction was to help the guy but the Sgt pulled him to the side so he could hold onto the side of the pool smh. It’s a shame because there was a lot of good former military including myself who passed everything legit but the Asian guy with the phone call gets picked up smh.This same P.O. made $18,000 in overtime for the first three Months of the of the year on swat. He’s number five on the OT list! How do you earn $18,000 on swat in OT in three months when you have five years on the job??? Anybody
8/10/2018 06:38:00 PM
Hey BABY-G, here's some of that old time diversity your so worried about, how's it working for you.
I was there for the swat swim qual. I was in close proximity to him and saw him struggle to keep his head above water. My normal reaction was to help the guy but the Sgt pulled him to the side so he could hold onto the side of the pool smh. It’s a shame because there was a lot of good former military including myself who passed everything legit but the Asian guy with the phone call gets picked up smh.This same P.O. made $18,000 in overtime for the first three Months of the of the year on swat. He’s number five on the OT list! How do you earn $18,000 on swat in OT in three months when you have five years on the job??? Anybody
8/10/2018 06:38:00 PM
Shhhhhhhhh
That’s the training Sgt’s little pet.
What is "pre-Madonna?"
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Baby G needs to delete his comment about diversity in swat. Diversity doesn’t mean shit.
To disband the SWAT TEAM would send a message of complete vulnerability to the serious radicals. For a city the size of ours to not have a 24/7 SWAT Team is inviting terror. Was never a fan but my god stick together you guys and go to the media with your concerns. Hello Nickeas, Kass,Roe Conn, anybody we are about to be full exposed over bosses hurt feelings.
8/10/2018 03:05:00 PM
Not true. Name one Active Shooter incident that was resolved by swat and not First Responders since the Hollywood Shoot our. Carbines are a game changer.
I guess you’re too new on the job to remember 500 w Madison. A great job by both swat and 1st district officers. But swat played a big role in finishing that situation. Or how about the warehouse job in 009 about 13 years ago. Or how about the active shooter/hostage situation in 004 at the auto parts place about 10 years ago. All ultimately resolved by swat. There are a bunch more but those are the highlights.
Swat is a necessary evil. They need to be supported by proper staffing, sufficient training, proper equipment and the proper budget to get the job done safely. The reason they make so much OT is they are woefully understaffed. There is also no strategic vision for the unit.
Decentralized will not work. Good in theory. At first it will sorta work. But after a while the roles will start to be watered down and will not be able to attend training or call outs citing manpower issues in the district / areas, or being tied up on something that can’t be handed off as they did in the HBT days. Not to mention upkeep of equipment /gear. That will have to be centralized anyway due to the vast responsibility of it. Centralized command and control is the only way for this work. But leadership is paramount to success.
All swat personnel assessments should be done by a 3rd party to avoid buddies getting in, 5th district, FBI swat, nipas, dupage county or maybe ITOA. They should also be paid at higher specialty rate like ET or detective, or being given a special swat stipend to account for the investment in equipment that is necessary and not issued by the department. And in turn easier to dismiss a member who is deficient if it’s not an actual title code.
Swat should have the lion share of UASI money to support the mission. It does not and in turn they are not supported as they should be.
Swat is better off in the District. They can get to know and work with Patrol again. There should not be such a wide social gap between the two. But I bet there will be a boss who does nothing, gets a take home car, and an office somewhere. And a secretary to validate his OT slips.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Bomb techs get D3 pay. ET, marine unit, also extra pay. K9 gets an hour before and after their tour to transport their dogs. All units in special functions get extra pay for special skills and knowledge, except swat. Everyone gets duty availability, but how many times have you been called in the middle of the night to respond to a job? If the district called you at 0300 would you even answer the phone? Then would you drive to the south side of the city from 016? You know the answer. Would never happen. Say what you want about SWAT but they are being used in ways no other team in the country is and they are asking for what's fair and what's safe. D3 was never brought up, just someone trying to stir the pot. Increased pay scale was never brought up. There are a lot of demands being on swat, most are dedicated humble guys. Those spewing bitterness and hatred towards the team probably have no experience with the team and don't know anything about what they do on a daily basis. My suggestion is, if you are willing to do the job of swat without wanting anything extra, please try out. I'm sure the city would love to have you.
8/10/2018 08:33:00 PM
Try out? Who do we have to blow to get on? Sorry i don’t get on my knees for anyone.
What ever happened to that psycho Sgt who caused that PO to go to the hospital? Is he still on SWAT?
8/10/2018 06:02:00 PM
He’s still there. Losing every shooting competition to his ex PPO girlfriend.
LMAO!!
I was there for the swat swim qual. I was in close proximity to him and saw him struggle to keep his head above water. My normal reaction was to help the guy but the Sgt pulled him to the side so he could hold onto the side of the pool smh. It’s a shame because there was a lot of good former military including myself who passed everything legit but the Asian guy with the phone call gets picked up smh.This same P.O. made $18,000 in overtime for the first three Months of the of the year on swat. He’s number five on the OT list! How do you earn $18,000 on swat in OT in three months when you have five years on the job??? Anybody
Cause swat is a scam position. That particular officer scammed his way into the team.
Anonymous said...
To disband the SWAT TEAM would send a message of complete vulnerability to the serious radicals. For a city the size of ours to not have a 24/7 SWAT Team is inviting terror. Was never a fan but my god stick together you guys and go to the media with your concerns. Hello Nickeas, Kass,Roe Conn, anybody we are about to be full exposed over bosses hurt feelings.
8/10/2018 03:05:00 PM
ITS COMING!! Stockpile weapons and ammo......
Anonymous said...
I was there for the swat swim qual. I was in close proximity to him and saw him struggle to keep his head above water. My normal reaction was to help the guy but the Sgt pulled him to the side so he could hold onto the side of the pool smh. It’s a shame because there was a lot of good former military including myself who passed everything legit but the Asian guy with the phone call gets picked up smh.This same P.O. made $18,000 in overtime for the first three Months of the of the year on swat. He’s number five on the OT list! How do you earn $18,000 on swat in OT in three months when you have five years on the job??? Anybody
8/10/2018 06:38:00 PM
Its all a matter of suction.
City should just contract with NIPAS.
http://www.nipas.org/
Cause swat is a scam position. That particular officer scammed his way into the team.
8/12/2018 01:13:00 AM
a person in the know!!
Anonymous said...
Here is why SWAT has a manpower/call in problem. Everyone on SWAT is either in a Fri/Sat or Sat/ Sun day off group. Got that? Weekends, when things are the busiest. That's also how they get a ton of OT. Most events are over weekends. This is an admin problem that can easily be worked out.
8/11/2018 08:00:00 AM
Don’t forget the trainers who are off Sat and Sunday. 6 hour days. Ghost pay roll training sergeant usually works 4 hours. It’s all legit in swat land.
My suggestion is, if you are willing to do the job of swat without wanting anything extra, please try out. I'm sure the city would love to have you.
8/10/2018 08:33:00 PM
Many of us would if the testing was fair and legit. You are a protector of THE LIE.
Hroma is doing his job. Stop bitching about swiping. He can’t do anything about it. It’s not Hroma’s fault. I told you not to send that letter BUT you didn’t listen to me. Now because of you assholes we might be going back to a district. Drop the law suit and safety grievance and answer your phone when off duty. The city doesn’t owe us anything. We are lucky to be here. At least all of us have take home cars and as much overtime as one can work. We do very little compared to Patrol. Stop bitching.
8/10/2018 12:44:00 PM
Training Staff,
Lt. Col. Frank Slade: No, I'm just gettin' warmed up. I don't know who went to this place, William Howard Taft, William Jennings Bryan, William Tell, whoever. Their spirit is dead, if they ever had one. It's gone. You're building a rat ship here. A vessel for seagoing snitches, and if you think you're preparing these minnows for manhood, you better think again, because I say you are killing the very spirit this institution proclaims it instills. What a sham. What kind of a show you guys are putting on here today? I mean, the only class in this act is sitting next to me, and I'm here to tell ya this boy's soul is intact. It's non-negotiable. You know how I know? Someone here, and I'm not gonna say who, offered to buy it. Only Charlie here wasn't selling.
Not true. Name one Active Shooter incident that was resolved by swat and not First Responders since the Hollywood Shoot our. Carbines are a game changer.
8/10/2018 07:55:00 PM
39th and Wallace and 500 W Madison, just to name a few
8/11/2018 08:15:00 AM
B.C. Before Carbine dumb ass SWAT boy. Both those incidents were before Patrol Division had carbines. And we don’t leave armed offenders in houses after searching. Go back to playing X Box.
D3 for a voluntary position? Go back to patrol then.
8/10/2018 02:48:00 AM
D-3 Pay?
For what?
Hanging out at Starbucks? Sleeping? Watching Cubs games?
GI Joe they are banging you on the radio. You could play Navy SEAL on your RDO.
We have a hard time seeing the old HBT bosses letting this fly. Of course, we have a hard time seeing the old bosses allowing any one of the current sergeants and lieutenants remain after the stunts they've been pulling the past few years.
Sorry SCC but it’s a different regime with no discipline or pride. Fred was a leader. Tom is a pushover. Fred didn’t care about a gold star. Tom only cares about the gold. In one month Fred figured out that ML was a wacko and launched him from SOS. Fred didn’t allow cancer in our unit. Fred took out the trash. Tom allows the cancer on the team metastasize. Tom doesn’t protect his team but uses it as a pawn to climb the ladder. That’s why ML is still there.
8/10/2018 08:33:00 PM
Many of us would if the testing was fair and legit. You are a protector of THE LIE.
8/12/2018 11:30:00 AM
Have no respect for swat. Zero. Took the test. Made in the swat school. Saw the favoritism. Saw who they took. Your “elite” trainers are liars and cheaters. What happened to the videos of the graded scenarios? Still waiting to see them. Swat testing is the equivalent to the Lieutenant’s cheating exam. What’s so bad about it is your patrolman screwing over other blue shirts.
All we really need is 3 officers in each district from the 1950s/60s with an M1 carbine, pump shotgun and a pistol. A decent bolt gun would also be available for fire discipline.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
My suggestion is, if you are willing to do the job of swat without wanting anything extra, please try out. I'm sure the city would love to have you.
8/10/2018 08:33:00 PM
Many of us would if the testing was fair and legit. You are a protector of THE LIE.
8/12/2018 11:30:00 AM
My suggestion is you swat nerds stop cheating. Glad to hear you changed the score for the Sgt when he should have failed. Sgt 69.4%
Anonymous said...
Here is why SWAT has a manpower/call in problem. Everyone on SWAT is either in a Fri/Sat or Sat/ Sun day off group. Got that? Weekends, when things are the busiest. That's also how they get a ton of OT. Most events are over weekends. This is an admin problem that can easily be worked out.
8/11/2018 08:00:00 AM
Don’t forget the trainers who are off Sat and Sunday. 6 hour days. Ghost pay roll training sergeant usually works 4 hours. It’s all legit in swat land.
8/12/2018 09:30:00
The majority of the team does not care for the training staff. We do not consider them part of the SWAT team. They have their own agenda and it involves merit promotions. They pick who comes on the team based on what their handlers tell them. Kind of like Pimps and Hoes. Right PL PQ ML PA MF RC? You just do what the pimp tells you to do.
My buddy tried out and he should have made it. The goofy Sergeants CR and ML make the final cut along with clueless Tommy.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
My suggestion is, if you are willing to do the job of swat without wanting anything extra, please try out. I'm sure the city would love to have you.
8/10/2018 08:33:00 PM
Many of us would if the testing was fair and legit. You are a protector of THE LIE.
8/12/2018 11:30:00 AM
My suggestion is you swat nerds stop cheating. Glad to hear you changed the score for the Sgt when he should have failed. Sgt 69.4%
8/13/2018 02:35:00 PM
Liars and Cheaters like the Lieutenants scandal. What else did you expect?
The Lt decided to round up the score for the guy who didn't pass. Others said no, he said yes. He wants bodies to fill the special events details, he wants that gold star. He doesn't care about anything but that. #2, has lost his fucking mind. You are better off not trying out. Morale is in shambles.
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