Open Post
The usual (and expected) reactions from all segments of Chicago are easily located in the news links over on the right.
The verdict was a disappointment on many levels, not the least of which is every officer from this point forward will be judged (and convicted) on a shot-by-shot basis.
Have at it in the comments. We're done for the night and maybe the rest of the weekend.
The verdict was a disappointment on many levels, not the least of which is every officer from this point forward will be judged (and convicted) on a shot-by-shot basis.
Have at it in the comments. We're done for the night and maybe the rest of the weekend.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
559 Comments:
During the Iraq war, did you ever have the unfortunate experience of watching the news when a US or allied pilot was shot down over enemy lines? Enemy soldiers would take the pilot’s body and beat it to an unrecognizable pulp and then parade and even drag the body across the city for all to see. Men, women, and children came out in throngs to celebrate and cheer the savage scene.
That, my friends, is happening right now before our very eyes. The body that is on display is not just van Dyke’s. The body being dragged through the streets is every good and honest police officer. The battle is over and the enemy has won. I dare say they are winning the war.
I’m not a police officer, but I stand with you all. And there are many of us who stand with you. We are dismayed, saddened and angry. To you SCC, to all officers, to Jason van Dyke and his family, may God be with you.
11 more until 50 and I'm going back to Poland:)
What are the chances Rauner commutes his sentence?
FOP should set up a go fund me for van dykes family....Has dan Herbert ever won a big case?
If it’s true about how the desk crew in 005 reacted to the verdict, they really are no different than the ghetto trash we have to deal with...
As hard as Herbert tried, I think he was in over his head. It’s sad to think with the FOP and the insurance policy to protect van Dyke, there weren’t enough funds available to pay for an A+ team. Let’s be honest. Herbert was a C+ or B at best.
Stop and think, how much more did the state spend on their case than FOP/van Dyke spent? I wouldn’t be surprised if the final bill for the state is 3 or 4 times what van Dyke’s final bill.
Keep all this in mind when you make a risky decision. "How much funding would be made available to protect me???"
HAHAHAHA and you thought we were f*cking fetal before??? Brace yourselves FETALITY!!! (In that mortal kombat voice)
So if this situation happens again do officers just stand around and wait until a citizen gets injured in some way and then take action? This way at least an officer can say he was defending someone’s life. Or are we supposed to just taze him and hope that doesn’t kill him?
FOP needs to have a press conference and warn the public that we will no longer be taking a pro active stance anymore in these situations. We will just wait til someone gets hurt then react.
God help the Police
Taking my time on every call. Even writing this comment took me a while. You can now call me SLOW.
Anyone plan to hire Dan Herbert in the future?
JVD since you are going to appeal... get a better lawyer and don’t give Dan Herbert another dime
Well, we can’t have our cake and eat it too... at least we got Kavanaugh in
In the end, I don’t think JVD had a chance. I was calling it from way before... manslaughter at least
The community is in for Baltimore style policing.
Since this is open post...if you’re in serious need of legal representation, seriously consider someone other than Dan Herbert. He may be a nice guy, may have been the police, etc...but he is not the guy you want if your job, or your freedom, is in jeopardy.
Its groundhog day in the ghetto, where all the district commanders hope you forgot about this verdict and any copper that ever got jammed, so you can go make them look good in front of the guy that over-promoted them at patrolman rank.
Give it until Monday morning, TAC/GANG/SAT will be out there trying to get heads again. jvd got railroaded today, you know the consequences of hard charging from now on..
All of 008 midnights can breath a big sigh of relief. Female merit Sgt E.M. Aka queen one bagger is already leaving back too her old stomping grounds of 009. There, she can impress all of the 5 month PPOs who will be impressed with her following of illegals out of late night bars and getting a little bag of coke off them which is what her entire career has been based upon. I wonder what she would do if she didn’t work midnights and had to work days when the bars aren’t letting out??? You think she would go work in the englewood area in the 30 sector??? Hahahahahahahaha, nooo way she’s terrified to work over there just like she was terrified to work in the 30 sector in 008. Bye, run back to 009 so you can impress all the little kids with the one baggers from the same ethnicity all the time.. hmmmmm, a civil attorney would love to know about that pattern and practice. Typical merit all the way. People like you post JVD who are gonna get the young kids in a bad jam with your game. Stop being a merit hack and start supervising. Kids, after this JVD stuff don’t be impressed with people like her. Listen to REAL supervisors who know real police work and not just s dope arrest.
Just my two cents, I think this was seen at first as a property crime, then, secondly, since after the first shot, he was down on the ground, not fully getting up. Then the fact he had a knife, was not shooting at him. But, I get nervous, for coppers and citizens, do we need to be hurt before we can shoot? Does someone else need to be hurt before we shoot? How do we deal with the shooter in Rogers Park Neighborhood, cops will worry about conviction if they shoot. But police must still serve and protect. How to reconcile the two?
Taking this job = Worst. Decision. Ever.
WHY WOULD ANYONE DO PROACTIVE POLICING AGAIN? Give them what they want. Let them beg for proactive policing.
The 4-yr deceased teen docent at the cemetery
will now proudly now tell his fellow residents how
a monetary settlement will be awarded to his mother
based on a lifetime of welfare payments, Section 8
housing vouchers, that he could have earned over a
lifetime on the dole. I don't want that settlement based
on a traditional trade or profession, because he clearly
wasn't headed in that direction.
Bad day for him. The worst.
Dan Herbert has done a lot of food for coppers with beefs and police board stuff but he shouldn’t have touched this trial. A seasoned trial attorney had a good chance. Dan put his whole life into this and I thank him for that. Not knockin him one bit and I hope he continues to help coppers on the administrative stuff but this case was unique and needed a one of a kind attorney. They need an appeal for the change of venue and the decision which was based on opinion as stated by interviewed jurors who “thought” a lot of things, not based on law but hunch. Please FOO reach out to state FOP to fund awesome attornies to appeal all of this. The entire world of policing in this country depends on it. It needs to start with motions before sentencing to appeal the verdict in itself in that it wasn’t based on the law.
A small sacrifice for the 100000 documented gang members in the city.
Instead of a quick burn, the west and south sides will become an increasingly efficient self-cleaning oven. Call me when it’s over.
You cry tears of joy over the conviction but never tears of outrage or sadness when children are gunned down? 10 people killed, 20 shot every day and not even a word, and no call for justice. Does it only matter or count when it's an officer? Is the reason you care so much is because it fits your insane narrative that all white officers are racist? You can't have it both ways.
Wasn’t a female juror waiting to be police?
F this job, f rahm and Down syndrome fat ed head Eddie. Jesus f Christ where is it going towards?
So now "Da Komunity iz satisfied"; not on your life! This verdict in essence said that the use of a firearm against a knife, by police, is not justified! NONE OF THE 16 SHOTS WAS APPARENTLY JUSTIFIED IN THE MINDS OF THESE 12 CITIZENS TO DUMB, TO AVOID JURY DUTY! So does the officer have to be cut or stabbed before the firearm is justified? And then, must the injury be lie threatening, or just life altering. Perhaps, the female officer in 015, who took a beating, causing permanent damage, is what is expected of police these days. Remember, she said she did not shoot for fear of the Media and what would happen to her family. So if an unarmed assailant, who is bigger and stronger than you, is on the verge of beating you into a vegetative state; he cannot be shot by police, because he is Unarmed? The verdict today has set a dangerous precedent for police service. Oh, and what about the Blue Wall of Silence? Jason's partner's quoting Jason's alleged statement about possibly having to shoot this guy, was the deciding factor for at least two of the jurors. If there is a Blue Wall of Silence, the copper, testifying under immunity would not have said what he said. AND I HOPE HIS ATTORNEY TOLD HIM THAT THE IMMUNITY AGREEMENT DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN HE WILL GET HIS JOB BACK. And finally, consider that there was no Sergeant or lieutenant on scene. Is it possible to see Vandyke as taking control and attempting to Stop a situation that had the potential to be out of control? The harshness of this conviction exceeds reason. Meanwhile, Rahm and every Exempt, who covered up the video, walks free! THIS THEATER OF THE ABSURD HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH JUSTICE, THIS WAS ALL ABOUT POLITICS, AND HUMAN SACRIFICE. VANDYKE WAS SACRIFICED ON THE POLITICAL ALTAR OF RACIAL POLITICS. AND ANYONE OF YOU WEARING A STAR COULD BE NEXT. You have no friends, especially amongst the public. And I hope that juror who is an aspiring police officer gets on the job; and gets her ass beat, by some poor assailant. Stay Safe, and Laydown! Do NOTHING but answer your calls. Wearing levis, and White Boy Tac baseball caps is not worth going to prison. Don't be the "Hammer" for some political hack boss. Baby "G"
Go get’em guys!
Ofc. Van Dyke was tried and convicted in the court of public opinion long before this cast even went to trial.
He didn’t have a chance for a “fair trial “.
It’s the Chicago way.
Retired Ol’ Sixgun Sarge
I never comment on this blog but today marks a very sad day for law enforcement in this city. This verdict gave me an extremely sinking feeling and sickness to my stomach that I have never experienced. Van Dyke never had a chance, he was found guilty months before the trial. The jurors were totally ignorant of the evidence and what goes through in a split second life/death situation that a police officer encounters. I believe this case will set a new precedent for how police officers will be judged.
Van Dyke represents each and one of us. What is extremely difficult to accept is that this can happen to anyone in law enforcement. It has unfortunately happened to poor Van Dyke, I can not imagine what he and his family are currently going through.
Van Dyke was 100% sacraficed by the politicians to appease the community. It really makes me sick that this is the time that we live in.
If you can, help his wife and kids. I believe they have an account at the credit union.
Feel that? That big slap in the face you just received? I retired 3 years ago. I think of all I gave the city. All the pain from injuries. All the bad guys I put in jail. All the people I helped and comforted to the best of my ability. I still remember seeing horrible things nobody should see. I hated the politics... I felt that big slap when I retired. All these “political “ groups stating that I was the problem. I thought I gave 100% to help people? Remember the slap in the face... that YOU are the problem. Amazing ,how much worse thing are now.oh, and more slaps to come.
Redundant Observations:
1. But for Law Enforcement Officers, the riff raff would no longer possess the animating factor so vital to their riff raffings. Aka, they'd be fucking dead. Dead by the dozens, Dead by the gross, Dead in great volume and Dead sooooo much sooner than later. But for the presence of Law Enforcement Officers.
2. The democrat is a creature so fucking stupid, that the above is considered UnPossible.
3. The Magic Wand is about to be Waved. And not by the democrats.
4. The ratio pf CCW of record and ccw of reality cannot be known. The democrats, being fucking stupid, think the latter is all their dummies. It is no where near all their dummies. Not even close. Again, but for the Presence of Law Enforcement Officers, the reality of the preceding would be proven beyond democrat comprehension.
5. The expected reliabilty of the Presence of Law Enforcement Officers, or the imminent arrivals of same, has been the common accepted truth of reality. When, and where, this is no longer true reality, then will the democrats be experiencing multiple teaching moments. From sources not at all known nor expected.
6. The preceeding is not news, not new and not unknown to those who know.
7. Law Enforcement Officers truly are the ONLY presence which prevents the democrats from going the way of the Dodo Bird. The ONLY factor. The very factor which the democrats strive to eliminate. Dumb.
This is Chicago. Not pussy filled deeeeetroit, nor feeble philly, nor looney l.a., nor bullshit ballstoomore, nor any other democrat infested city. This is Chicago.
Remove the factor CPD and the up until now democrat tomfooleries will be full measure evicerated. Selectively. Precisely. Effectively. Efficiently. And well within the boundaries of the Laws of Nature.
When, and where, the laws of man are rendered moot by feckless endeavors, made by feckless democrat fools, the Laws of Nature still rule.
Yep. Redundant.
I know I certainly hate to judge someone else on the job when I wasn't there but that video was damning. McD wasn't moving towards anyone in any real threatening manner when he was initially shot and then he appeared to keep getting hit by shots when prone on the pavement. It would depend on what Van D says was going through his mind and he apparently didn't sound convincing (I didn't see the testimony). I saw no apparent reason for the shooting at that time. Knock him down with a car door or something. It always appeared to be a bad shoot and appearance matters.
Everyone is saying this is the ultimate death of proactive police work in this city and I agree. However, too many idiots on the job will continue on as if this verdict means nothing. Monitor Zone 10...I guarantee within 24 hours there will be some less than 5 years otj asshole chasing some ghetto jerkoff for some ghetto bullshit. These are the officers that just don’t fucking get it. If we all stopped doing ANYTHING proactive and just did the bare minimum that is required of us by law and general order the city officials and citizens will see just how dangerous it is to not support us. But the younger generation of police officers still think they’re above it all. Newsflash dumb shits - Van Dyke was found not guilty of official misconduct. Why? According to the juror interviewed, he did what he was trained to do. Translation - the department trained you to respond in such a manner that will make you a convicted felon facing years in the joint! Stop with your bullshit mentality of just doing the right thing and nothing bad will happen to you. This isn’t the movies boys and girls, the citizens hate you. Sure, there are some that support us, but the ones that don’t support us talk louder and get more backing from the city. The PO’s that the academy pushed out in record numbers between 2012 and 2015 are a special fucking group.
Anyone trying to sell a benefit ticket for any copper who gets jammed up for doing proactive work after 05 Oct 2018 can shove that ticket sideways up their ass.
Maybe Rauner will commute JVD's sentence to time served just prior to leaving office. Plus personally gift him enough cash to relocate far far away from here.
I feel sick. Policing will never be the same.
Enjoy the society that will come to be, dumbass sheep and left wing idiots. Do all of these true believers think any police officer will go out of their way to help these idiots? The jurors just sanctioned violent, knife-wielding, high on PCP and off their psych meds criminals to do as they please without consequence from the police. Nice job assholes. Remember your standpoint when you are beaten, robbed and sodomized in an alley.
Prosecutor Jody Gleason said in her closing statement:
"He shot too early, he shot too often and he shot for way
too long."
So boys, the next time you encounter a delusional teenager
who brings a knife to a gun fight, give him plenty of space,
pick a kill zone, and don't shoot more than once.
The verdict in the VanDyke trial makes it clear: The only time a Chicago Police Officer may use his firearm against a human being, without fear of prosecution or discipline; is if he uses it to commit SUICIDE! This is what it has come to. Baby "G"
If you havent seen the writing on the walls over the past 3 years, then maybe this verdict will wake you up. Dont do anything, if you're young enough leave this job, if you dont have that option start a collection of DVDs and sit in your car and watch movies. Give these people what they want, or else face the consequences of losing your life or your freedom.
There’s no way that the Agg batteries stick. You’re gunna tell me that shit heads will get charged per shot? Bullshit. He’s going to get out on appeal. This was all a political game to keep the moron activists at bay.
I hate to say it coming from the blue family but he sealed his fate by testifying he contradicted what the video shows. Poor judgement by one officer will lead to the loss of what 4 others too for trying to justify his actions. Both sides are at fault. The kicker is 13 years and he failed but still not learning to keep his mouth shut and refrain from comments like we are going to have to shoot this guy
It was a bad shift let’s face it
What I noticed from today's "celebratory march" (obnoxious mob) that obstructed people trying to get home from the downtown area was the finely printed signs that had the website caarpr.org. This is the Chicago Alliance Against Racist And Political Repression. These signs were held not by "poor souls" but by people who knew what they were doing. It seems they are sponsored by the Crossroads Fund 3411 W. Diversey which gives out grant monies to all kinds of activist groups in Chicago and promotes progressive community change. It is unclear where they are getting their money as they don't reveal that information. Remember this when you are putting up with these groups at demonstrations because they know who you are but you don't know who they are.
Between the homicide/crime rate, the outrageous leftist movement, and philistine persecution of police, I never thought I'd say this a single day in my life, but I wonder if doing anything for this country is even worth it anymore. Look at what they're doing to Kavanaugh, who's next? As a young man, I always thought my life would end in battle or some sacrifice, how naive of me. I now know it's more likely to end in shame, jailed by an ungrateful society. Fend for yourselves, and your families ONLY, and when you meet your maker you can at least tell him that you tried.
From a PO/Vet.
I learned during this trial that this department is full of individuals who only care about themselves. I especially would like to thank those officers that testified that they didnt shoot because they didnt feel threatened, is it true that maybe you didnt feel threatened because you had no intention of even getting g out of your car and handling your own job? Is it tru that this incident with Laquon McDonald went on for quite some time before Van Dyke showed up? Why didnt you lazy POS s get out of the car and handle your business? Dog ass coppers getting working coppers jammed up because they are too lazy to do their jobs. 008th district you guys should be ashamed of yourselves.
How can you say that the verdict was a disappointment? There was only one verdict to be had, based on that video. I'm actually surprised that the jury did not go for 1st degree murder and official misconduct as well. Officers have to understand that the days of making every police shooting 'justifiable' are over.
Fuck the city of Chicago and fuck the police DEPT. if you think the dept has your back, you a damn fool. They don’t give a damn about you the brass only cares about themselves. Each signed off on the shooting as justified, and nobody was called to testify for JVD. Fuck you ED and your half assed statement.
I used to have empathy and compassion, my new goal is have way more apathy for this berg.
Taking a couple of Fuckitalls, hitting the sack.
Tomorrow is another day, not gonna shave, will wear the same drawers and clothes l wore today.
Who really cares anymore, l sure dont.
That was Chicago’s version of the O.J. verdict just reversed
ANY copper who has been in a shooting in the past 10 years should be worried the way cases are being re opened..,. This could have happened to anyone of us...they just hit retired homicide detectives with punitive a few months back.
the ghetto districts used to be a hidden gold mine for court money, good seniority, and amazing camaraderie--- now they are a trap door for liability, seperation, and COPA meetings for backing guys up.
fuck that pussy ass judge and all the fake politicians that tried this case in the media. i'm not doing this shit sit in my squad and assist fellow police when they call for help, but the rest tell special Ed call the protesters to police the hood. special Ed your a Bitch sucking on Rahm.
I am glad that they are so happy. I hope that they will be equally happy when thugs that look just like Laquan, or what Laquan's son would look like if he had one, are robbing, raping, shooting, and generally terrorizing them. Because I will be God damned if I will do anything but write the appropriate report documenting the carnage. I absolutely refuse to put myself in any potential jeopardy for them.
Jurors comment that VanDyke should have stayed in his car and not “escalated” the situation. So because he didn’t cower he’s guilty of murder? Wow prayers to everyone at CPD. Hopefully an appeal is in the works. The fire breathing bitch prosecutor and biased judge should ensure another go at a fair trial. I guess we can assume that every gangbanger will now be prosecuted by shots fired? Right!
Ever since this blog has been up and running I can count on one hand how many times I've posted something, but with today's verdict I feel I should. For the past two days I've worked 3 hrs o.t awaiting this verdict and realize I'm benefiting from this all while Jason in essence is fighting for his life and my biggest decision is which box to check, money or time. I can't in good conscience take this money. No matter what you think about the number of shots fired, the fact of the matter is is anyone of us could get thrown into a situation like this where the outcome isn't in your favor and your thrown to the wolves. I figure the amount of money I made these past two days is around 330.00 which I will donate to the Van Dyke family and I hope some of you will follow suit.
We have been relegated to 3rd class citizens. Would any normal citizen even have been brought in for questioning if they shot a crazed knife wielding man that was coming at them? No fucking way. They’d be applauded and treated as a community hero. Yet JVD get murder conviction and a ruined life. I’m tired of being treated less than a normal citizen. We don’t even realize how much power we have if we just stick together. It’s time for us to start sticking up for ourselves. Whatever that takes. I’m sick and tired of the way things have headed the last 5-10 years. We need our unions to do something drastic. Organize something that will remind the citizens just how important we are and if you fuck with us for trying to protect you, it is not a good idea.
if any supervisor/commander/exempt asks for numbers again they should be told to put it in writing. Demand exactly what they want and demand it in writing and demand to know the consequences if said numbers are not brought in. Enough is enough.
Use of force: you may not fire until fired upon.
Jury was going to convict regardless. assholes in 5 celebrating. How many gangbangers get charged per shot on a murder?
The case was doomed from the get go. Pick your poison- asshole judge or police hating jury.
This is truly a thankless job! I just want to have a drink!
The verdict is an affirmation by society of the hidden philosophy of politicians that it is easier to fire, jail, or bury a Policeman rather than defend them.
Adjudication is not only to be accepted but more importantly interpreted.
Do not trust: the department to defend your police action/investigation, the prosecutors to consider the perils of your vocation when charging you, or a trial to judge your time constrained police actions with anything but hindsight.
Use of Force is violence. Violence is never photogenic. Non-compliance will not be explained as a death by misadventure. Non-compliance is a cultural flaw you alone must mitigate flawlessly to avoid your (others) termination, incarceration, or injury/death.
We are lucky to have gained wisdom from our work whereas victims must pay for it in their pain. We know Evil walks our Earth and are willing to confront it. Because of this fact, the public needs us more than we them.
God Bless the members of CPD. My thoughts go out to the VanDyke family.
To all the young go-getters out there, let this be a powerful lesson. Every boss from the current Superintendent on down, agreed that this shooting was justified. Where are they now? They will NOT back you when the time comes. Answer your calls, back each other up, and go home safe. As my FTO once told me, this ghetto bullshit is NOT real.
Justice by media!
Government by media!
Sickening and pathetic!
Stay save, officers, you are in our prayers!
This place is done. The desk crew in 005 was celebrating the verdict. Nice deoartment we have
Heads up. Female civilian cheering and applauding the verdict in 011 lockup this afternoon .
Two Profound Statesmen Issue A Statement After Van Dyke Conviction
Chicago Fri 5 Oct 18 3:40pm
"Emanuel and Johnson said in a joint statement that, The effort to drive lasting reform and rebuild bonds of trust between residents and police must carry on with vigor."
Do you think that these two who caused this mess really composed that statement? Sounds like it was really made up by their public relations team who had an affection for Prime Minister Winston Churchill. One of his favorite words that he frequently used was vigor or vigour as the British spell it. One example was his statement in Parliament on 4 Jul 1940 when he said, "........contrary, prosecute the war with the utmost vigour, by all means."
So ask yourselves, after hearing the Mayor and Superintendent, will you be exuberant and have the strength of body and mind to "CARRY ON WITH VIGOR?"
I’m a Fillmore guy. The fact that JVD got convicted is vaguely interesting to me. When the jury comes back in that amount of time you knew it was going to be guilty. What pains me is watching his wife and knowing what his family has to deal with this for the rest of their lives...and for what...some ghetto bullshit that happens day in and day out. Nobody, family on down, gave a flying fuck about LMD until he was dead and became a paycheck... or a SJW war cry. JVD and his family are fucked because some ghetto POS did standard ghetto things putting the fall guy to be CPD. This never happens without a criminal, arrerested multiple times, on drugs, disobeying commands, wielding a knife. Any copper that’s ever worked the ghetto knows this will happen again, solely because 911 never ceases to provide opportunities for coppers to be thrown into hopeless situations to solve answeless problems provided by ghetto bullshit. Inevitably some poor soul will shoot dude and it’ll happen again. So we beat on, boats against the current, borne ceaselessly into the past. Stay safe boys and girls.
This all goes back to those those carpetbagger weasels, who hid the video,and everyone else who were were complicit in their involvement. Their actions magnified this incident into a political and racial fiasco. This adminstration has trained and permitted the mob mentality to grow and shake down and shut down the City when ever they have a tantrum. Who will be the next sacrifice? Do you think it can't happen to you? It only takes a few seconds to make the big mistake while under duress.
Not over! Still have Officers charged with conspiracy! This may have been the worst day ever for CPD
To all those who made comments on previous threads criticizing VanDyke for the choice he made or the whiners complaining having to work 12 hour shifts how dare you, you are shameless. While you are sitting there reading this think what would it be like where VanDyke is now.
Fuck Vince Gaughan.
Some of the Brassholes that originally gave the nod of it being a justifiable shoot were exempted from testifying as they were responsible for the meteoric rise through the ranks of Vince's squeeze, Commander Linda Flores.
Thick as fucking thieves, each and every one of those rotten bastards.
Prayers for Jason and his wife and kids.
Never have I thought a “blue flu” would be a thing to do. I always thought that I took an oath! I will always honor that. Now , however, the rules have changed! On 31OCT18, I say we all get the flu
He never had a chance. Hang one to hang them all. Let everyone walk, turn your back and drive away. Don't bother unless you literally see someone getting stabbed to death, than wait for a taser to show up. And if it's Kim the Fox getting hers just keep driving.
Stand Down..Lots of Police Haters in Chicago.
Don’t be the next Jason Van Dyke.
Stay Safe and back up your Brothers in Blue.
Do as little as possible out there.
Born and raised in this city. 1st generation Irish American. On the job for 25 years. Promoted by test to detective then Sgt! Was always proud and made my parents proud! Now I’m ashamed. Not because of JVD. I’m ashamed I dedicated my life and soul to this city who hates us. It’s a very sad and confusing time, but I’m putting my papers in. The people of this city just don’t get what we do.
About as good a verdict as could be expected with the a trial held in Chicago. It should have been moved and the so called leaders of the CPD called to explain why they called it a good shoot. The fix was in. Hoping for a better verdict on appeal.
To hell with a certain F/1 commander who cheered when the verdict was read, but then it’s always been us versus them on this job anyway. Remember we are not all blue. The fix has Benin the hen house a long time, watch yourselves.
Was reading the Sheriff blog and they have a post up that Judge Gaughan shot at the police years ago after shooting at his neighbor in ptsd episode. How the hell this this nutcase get to be the judge on this case. Any other judge would of transferthis case.
I dont think it's possible to do less at work than I already was. But I'm sure gonna try even harder now.
Another precedent has been set: from this day forward every offender should be charged with agg batt for every bullet wound in the victim. That includes if the victim is also dead! If the state says they can't charge agg batt because the victim is dead and there is a murder charge, tell them to go fuck themselves and charge them just like Vandyke. Detectives and their bosses especially must put full pressure on the Asa and demand it. If they refuse, then the union should be on the news everyday showing the disparity in the way an officer can be ridiculously over charged.
We can all have opinions,BUT we better learn from this,all of us need to stand down and vote for people that have our back ,not many.a
As a retired Policeman from London, please accept my commiserations on this appalling verdict.
I recently retired and was at 376 due to an injury recently. Is charging someone for each shot something new? I thought it was all part of the same act? 3 people shot; 3 charges for Agg Batt.
So are the ASA's now doing this for all gangsters as well? Agg Batt (separate charges) for each time they shoot someone multiple times? Not being sarcastic here either. Serious question.
I heard that the 005th district desk let out a big cheer after the verdict , fucking pathetic if it’s true . Probably a desk full of do nothings that never were faced with a life threatening situation before they obtained their cushy inside spot after two years on the job . This department is divided and destroyed , just like this city .
I’m amazed that you guys are raging angry about the verdict when JVD got a jury that his defense picked. It was a diverse jury that had absolutely no M1 representation, and included an aspiring p.o. This was no OJ Simpson murder trial jury. These were working class tax paying peers of JVD. Unfortunately the defense could not overcome the dash cam video, and the fact that their client was not credible to this jury. Guys we have got to be smarter. Even a change of venue would not have gotten a not guilty verdict - hell the jury gave him a NG on the one count and that made sense so they were asleep.
Not doing the job is not an option - you have to do it smarter and with greater restraint. Forget about all the guns, learn verbal judo, deep empathy, and how to strategically employ CPD orientated Jedi Mind Tricks.
I will be retiring in January after starting my career on June 16, 1986 with absolutely no C.R. Numbers, my stripes intact after ten years as a sgt with the same revolver I brought from a retired copper, and a smile on my face.
The Seer of 86-3
Too bad the Crook County Criminal Justice system will not judge weapons offenders on a shot by shot basis.
My opinion: I will win on appeal. 16 shots of Agg Batt and no Off Misconduct.
Hopefully Herbert and his team can also win on their change of venue motion.
I hope they subpoena every news stations interviews with every juror, those people convicted on emotions and not the law. Just listen to them answer some of those news media questions.
It's evident that the public has no idea what we deal with on a daily basis or who we deal with on a daily basis.
The state's attorney and jurors said he should have just stayed in his car. Just going to stay in the car until called. Work like firemen. Only answer calls.
Citizens, you got what you asked for and you will have to deal with it. About that oath we all took. That's done. Society has turned its back on us. Help yourselves. Don't call 911 when you're threatened with a knife, a bat, a bottle or even a gun. Stay in your car or your house and figure it yourself.
Stop signing up for VRI and CTA and the extras that come out. You have to have your head examined if you do.
No officer in this city should be doing a thing. Show up, answer your calls and back each other up and even doing that puts everyone at risk.
I want to see what happens Sunday at the Marathon. On Friday CPD allowed protesters to block one of the most critical intersections in the city during the height of rush hour and did nothing. If they show up for the Marathon and try to block it, especially in several places along the route, I wonder what CPD will do? After all, you don't have to obey the law in Chicago.
Be safe Everyone , this jury did not consider the ever lasting effect they left on this country. The jury established case law that will effect policing from this day forward . I hope everyone becomes a CCL holder. Another thing , if we as an organization can't find a common ground to stand as one , let's do that by not working VRI. I have heard all the excuses and reasons why coppers work it , but we need to stand together on this one . This is the only thing we volunteer for that we control . I know this might not be so popular with some , but if you can't miss a couple VRI days , you have big problems ! We need to stick on this one . No one put in for the month of November ! P
This is the guy you want in court no matter the cost.
Mark M. O'Mara is an American criminal defense lawyer in Orlando, Florida, known for being the attorney for George Zimmerman. He is a former prosecutor.
How about Deputy Chief kiss ass Kevin Ryan? Why have a line if you are going to keep moving it back giving in to the dregs of society? All the criminal public community have to do know is walk up and say move back and the no balls police will.
I’m done for the rest of my career .
Stop bringing these assholes revenue . No more Parkers, movers, etc generate no cash for city
Any copper that works in a unit or security detail for the mayor is a fool. ♠️
Anonymous said...
Wasn’t a female juror waiting to be police?
10/06/2018 12:34:00 AM
She really thinks that she will be welcomed after sending one of us to jail
OT - Alderasshole stages fake arrest at fight for 15 protest at McD's headquarters : http://www.thetruthaboutjohnarena.com/
So are the ASA's now doing this for all gangsters as well? Agg Batt (separate charges) for each time they shoot someone multiple times? Not being sarcastic here either. Serious question.
THIS CASE WASNT PROSECUTED BY COOK COUNTY ASAS. This was a group of specially appointed ASAs who are from Kane County and Winnebago Countty. Charging per shot was unprecedented and doubtful it would be adopted as new charging practices by Cook County ASAs.
I'm not a cop but I understand the outrage and frustration. I grew up in the city and live in the suburbs now. I have family who still live in the city including elderly parents in Edison Park, a brother in Norwood Park & cousins in Jeff Park. Let the ghettos decend further into chaos but please continue to protect and serve your own as long as you can. The politicians are doing their best to turn the good neighborhoods into bad neighborhoods and we need you! We still appreciate you!
You have more supporters than you realize. I was at a party last night in the suburbs and everyone there very much appreciates what you do for a living. Stay strong
Someone have a link to a website for a support fund for the family?
Old retired cop living in Florida.
i truely feel sorry for Jason and, especially for his family. He was thrown to the wolves.
If anything, this is reinforcement to all police officers that policing is over.
God help Jason.
You could tell by the way the judge treated the attorneys which way he wanted the verdict to go. He was nothing less than a condescending prick to Van Dyke's attorneys, especially Herbert.
Caught the interview with the FOP President, he said it was disappointing and will be appealed. Not sure on what grounds? perhaps denying Van Dyke to move the case out of the county.
All the coverage I watched nobody really had an opinion on how much time Van Dyke will serve, seems to be a pretty big range. From what I understand he will do the time associated with second degree murder conviction will be served concurrently with the aggravated assault counts.
Be safe CPD and thank you all for the jobs that you perform under the most difficult, stressful circumstances, my hat is off to you.
Officers, thank you for your service and please stay safe...this is a temporary bump in the road as JVD will eventually be exonerated.
Anonymous said...
The jury was incredibly tainted from the start. Was fear on their minds? I think so. The easy way out was to find him guilty and their lives are free from fear. It’s obvious after they went on TV. They spent the whole trial worrying about not being seen, heard or identified. But now it’s time to come out? Because they gave the verdict that appeased the people they were afraid off? So would they have gone on TV if they acquitted him? HELL NO! They would have been taken out the back, covered up, and wisked away to an undisclosed location. Never to been seen again.
Blue flu? There were tac officers engaged in a foot chase shortly after the verdict today. Morons will giv every and anything to keep the jeans on.Its why 35th st will never fear the rank and file. Too many people that would walk all over their partner to get there’s
Anonymous said...
As hard as Herbert tried, I think he was in over his head. It’s sad to think with the FOP and the insurance policy to protect van Dyke, there weren’t enough funds available to pay for an A+ team. Let’s be honest. Herbert was a C+ or B at best.
Stop and think, how much more did the state spend on their case than FOP/van Dyke spent? I wouldn’t be surprised if the final bill for the state is 3 or 4 times what van Dyke’s final bill.
Keep all this in mind when you make a risky decision. "How much funding would be made available to protect me???"
10/06/2018 12:08:00 AM
At the risk of coming off as wanting to kick a man while he’s down, it’s my understanding hat the FOP did in fact attempt to secure Jason better counsel but Jason decided he’d prefer to stay with Herbert. This was something I heard quite awhile ago, and I trusted the source.
Lots of room for appeal in this case.
Let these assholes murder each other. Who cares? Just stay out of the line of fire and call SWAT if they hole up.
Fuck You Rahm and all you sleeze bag corrupt Politicans, let the Ghetto MF,S kill each other and just stand by and watch!
Select lawyers have cracked the safe on a new lucrative revenue stream at an officer's expense.
Officers, please use this incident as incentive to shine the light on the rats.
I'm so beyond fetal, I'm now a fifth district desk personnel.
Remember there are dogs and POS on this job, working oemc and in every department. They come from the south and west sides and raised to be racist , raised to hate the police and its a different mentality. So yes those are the dogs that will cheer at this verdict because having a job isn’t going to Change what’s inbreeded in them. Remember that , stay clear , do your job and stay safe. Ignore the ignorant
Ever since this blog has been up and running I can count on one hand how many times I've posted something, but with today's verdict I feel I should. For the past two days I've worked 3 hrs o.t awaiting this verdict and realize I'm benefiting from this all while Jason in essence is fighting for his life and my biggest decision is which box to check, money or time. I can't in good conscience take this money. No matter what you think about the number of shots fired, the fact of the matter is is anyone of us could get thrown into a situation like this where the outcome isn't in your favor and your thrown to the wolves. I figure the amount of money I made these past two days is around 330.00 which I will donate to the Van Dyke family and I hope some of you will follow suit.
Awesome that you posted that. I was thinking the exact same thing and was gonna ask the union how to get my share to his wife and children. I don't want this money. There is no way I want any financial benefit from this cruxification of a police officer who followed state law.
So if a victim gets robbed of their cell phone, watch, and wallet will the offender be charged with 3 counts of robbery? If a retail theft offender takes 3 bottles of booze is that 3 counts of retail theft? If a domestic battery victim was punched, kicked, and pushed by the offender is that 3 counts of domestic battery?
Stop doing shit! Right now. The next law enforcement action you take can land you in jail. This is Cook County: laws, rules, orders, precedent mean jack shit here.
You. Are. Next.
I am sick. My heart and prayers go out to him and his family. Herbert was horrible. The closing argument in of itself was horrible--he was rambling on--no impact at all. It could have been his moment to shine. FOP should have hired a Mark Geragos type of lawyer. I hope he appeals AND more importantly, has a GREAT lawyer. If anyone does any proactive policing (except in 16)--they are nuts.
The chicago police department should start removing from all police vehicles TO SERVE and PROTECT. Police work is done in this SHITHOLE.
Anyone with less than five years on this job would be actively pursuing a lateral move anywhere but shithole cook county.
Next time when you have numbers, distance and time....wait for the taser...
I’m not a police officer, but I stand with you all. And there are many of us who stand with you. We are dismayed, saddened and angry. To you SCC, to all officers, to Jason van Dyke and his family, may God be with you.
10/06/2018 12:06:00 AM.
Well said, thank you sir
Please notify us of any fundraising or account information on behalf of Jason’s family. With all the OT made from this tragic event, we owe his family some support. We are Jason Van Dyke. Jason Van Dyke is us. We, just like him are a product of Chicago policing and experiences, OT and side-jobs worked, countless hours of sleep lost, mental and emotional stresses of this job; culminating into one event that night, where Jason, a Police officer, chose to end the countless possibilities that remained available to LM. We are Jason Van Dyke. Our families are his family.
When I first saw the video I thought to myself, Man this guy's in trouble. But after the thousandth replay on the news, and the constant flashing of the little dirt bag in his cap and gown, the reality that this could be any one of us sank in. Bottom line is I wasn't there, I didn't experience that flash of a moment, the instant in time where a determination that something had to be done. And unless you were there, you're really not in a position to judge.
The other reality is that this family, accepted the $5 million from the city, without a lawsuit and the alderman all went along with it. Supervisors and administrative rank all signed off on it as a good shooting. And in the end, to save their own asses, they kicked VanDyke to the curb. All this political correctness, including a Judge who didn't give a change of venue to his chastising VanDyke for attending to threats made against his wife and child are things we shouldn't forget, ever.
The game is rigged and in that context, VanDyke truly got screwed. And nobody outside of this job will ever realize that.
Require all squad cars to be supplied with nets. Throw a net over the animals
Many of us are behind the police. This is one of the worst days in Chgo history. Almost as bad as day Rahm was elected. The
Trial should have been moved and the defense should made way more of the dangerous climate of hate the police across the country.
Blue flu seems appropriate. God bless the CPD. Set up a fund for JVD please
I want to say first that I support cops more than anyone. I think you have a crap job and have to make very hard life or death decisions in the spur of the moment. I think the ACLU consent decree regarding Street stops was disgusting and the main reason why crime is up. I also can't stand Kim Foxxx and her light-on-crime mentality which is the dead opposite of what we need to be doing.
This all said, I just find it very difficult to justify what Van Dyke did. Shooting him once? Sure. But all those times? I don't know. I'm not saying the verdict was fair and I'm certainly not saying I can stand here and tell you what it's like to have to shoot somebody. But several other officers who were there did not feel a need to shoot. That has to be kept in mind.
Flame away if you will but that's my feelings on it. I will definitely be watching future developments though and I really hope it doesn't turn into a precedent where every officer is put on trial simply for using their firearm. But there has to be a fine line between letting cops do their jobs and punishing those very few who do use excessive force.
I had a hard time sleeping last night thinking of all that Jason is going through. I can't even begin to imagine what he told his young children about where he's going. Walking out from your home for the last time yesterday knowwing you may not return for a decade or more. Spending last night in jail thinking about not seeing your kids grow up. This should sink in to every proactive PO out there.
Many of us are behind the police. This is one of the worst days in Chgo history. Almost as bad as day Rahm was elected. The
Trial should have been moved and the defense should made way more of the dangerous climate of hate the police across the country.
Blue flu seems appropriate. God bless the CPD. Set up a fund for JVD please
For the guy who commented at 12:49- You said it perfectly!!!!!
Never have I thought a “blue flu” would be a thing to do. I always thought that I took an oath! I will always honor that. Now , however, the rules have changed! On 31OCT18, I say we all get the flu
10/06/2018 03:44:00 AM
Never going to happen, we have to many me me me people on this job.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I feel sick. Policing will never be the same.
10/06/2018 12:52:00 AM
You just woke up now? Like it has been the past few years.
Heard the desk crew in 005 stood up and cheered when the verdict was read.
The deck was stacked against VanDyke the day he shot this POS. 16 shots is unexplainable no matter how you present it. Maybe if the POS had shot a gun at the police. Looking at the jury I dont know why Herbert picked them. Herbert should think twice about criminal law. I think real estate closings are his calling. Kimmel Foxx overcharged with 16 shots each getting it's own penalty. Jason will not fare well in jail. I feel for him. He got screwed by the unfair media and ASSHOLE GAUGHN.
What now?
A benefit is needed for his wife and kids.
Initial poll of jury at end of trial was 7 guilty, 3 not guilty, 2 undecided. Magically within maybe 5-10 hours of deliberations all jurors were a concensus guilty. these charges mean guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Five jurors suddenly became absolutely sure that jvd was guilty after a short deliberation. Two weeks of testimony, 40 witnesses, videos, defense and prosecution statements at trial. Were these jurors burned out and just said fuck it, he's guilty. Only they know.
I certainly feel the sentiment!
I ll just type paper!
HUGE FUCK YOU to RHAM & HUGE FUCK YOU to LIGHTFOOT!
Does anyone have links to JVD fo fund me?
From CrookCountySheriff.Blogspot.com
AnonymousOctober 5, 2018 at 7:35 PM
For MONEYGRAM
RECEIVE CODE = 1750
Account = JASON VAN DYKE – # 20181005157
Real or fake,SCC?
This is a very dark day for the City of Chicago
10/06/2018 5:05:00 PM
Great point. SAO overcharge all the time when a copper is charged and UNDER charge or CI it when not. Fuck them
You all must have lost your minds. I understand brotherhood but lets not be stupid. There is no way you can justify 16 shots when a person is on the ground. If you are truly in fear at that moment then you should reconsider the career you chose.we dont need to stop wotking and we dont need to be fetal. We just need to use common sense. Jvd...i pray for him and his family but his mistake cost him and no....he was no railroaded...he was wrong
Was Rahm hiding behind the police in HQ when the protesters went to city hall?
Herbert is a good guy but in way over his head. That 3D video was idiotic. It actually hurt the case. Surprised that McMahon didn’t take advantage of it. Watched the arguments and can’t say that anybody was very good.
The Agg Batt will only become an issue if the sentences run consecutively. They won’t. The counts will merge. My prediction on sentence is low double digits 10-12 years.
And fat eddie has the balls to remind us that we must continue to serve the community. I fully intend to give the "community" exactly the amount of service that they deserve.
Anonymous said...
I learned during this trial that this department is full of individuals who only care about themselves. I especially would like to thank those officers that testified that they didnt shoot because they didnt feel threatened, is it true that maybe you didnt feel threatened because you had no intention of even getting g out of your car and handling your own job? Is it tru that this incident with Laquon McDonald went on for quite some time before Van Dyke showed up? Why didnt you lazy POS s get out of the car and handle your business? Dog ass coppers getting working coppers jammed up because they are too lazy to do their jobs. 008th district you guys should be ashamed of yourselves.
10/06/2018 01:12:00 AM
I truly feel horrible for JVD and don’t feel any sympathy for Laquan or his family but I have to say this. Maybe those “lazy” coppers realized that the work environment had changed. There’s nothing wrong with buying time when dealing with a wacko and we do have to think what consequences our actions can lead to. This is not nor wasn’t a job in 2014 where you go out there gung ho and “take care of business” unless you wanna spend the rest of your life in jail. I remember years ago several squads were following a guy most likely on pcp walking in the middle of Western all the way from 14 district Division to 12 district around Jackson waiting for someone with a taser. We all still have jobs and our freedom. You cannot blame other officers for the actions of JVD. I never knew JVD so I’m not commenting on his style, but every district seems to have some po’s that have hard time with impulse control and seem to think that every situation needs to be handled immediately with force.
I am extremely bothered by reading some of the comments here on this post. I know there will always be varying reactions to various topics, but i find it very disturbing that many members of the CPD are defending Van Dyke til the very end and carrying on as if this is an outright miscarriage of justice. This is just as cringe worthy as watching a BLM protest over a justified police shooting that was caught on tape. It brings a sense of complete illegitimacy on the part of this blog and some of the comments downright disturbing. I understand that Van Dyke is a considered a brother in blue, but this is like watching a news clip of a mom describing how her son is such a good good boy while holding his 8th grade graduation photo after her son has been accused of a terrible crime. The video proved it all. I think if Van Dyke shot Laquan once or twice there wouldnt be the outrage, but to continue shooting after he was lying on the ground was complete overkill. Hunters dont even kill their prey with that much verocity. Stop defending this guy. The jury spoke and its time to move on.
Let's hope there's grounds for an appeal.
Not a LEO but appreciate you all very much. Stay fetal.
So well said. Where were LMc relatives when he went from school skipping K2 smoking PCP out control assailiant.
My prayers to Officer Van Dyke and his family
CPD officers stay away from dogs you will only get fleas or fleeced.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Ever since this blog has been up and running I can count on one hand how many times I've posted something, but with today's verdict I feel I should. For the past two days I've worked 3 hrs o.t awaiting this verdict and realize I'm benefiting from this all while Jason in essence is fighting for his life and my biggest decision is which box to check, money or time. I can't in good conscience take this money. No matter what you think about the number of shots fired, the fact of the matter is is anyone of us could get thrown into a situation like this where the outcome isn't in your favor and your thrown to the wolves. I figure the amount of money I made these past two days is around 330.00 which I will donate to the Van Dyke family and I hope some of you will follow suit.
10/06/2018 01:35:00 AM
GREAT IDEA...HEY SCC how about putting up a link to some bank account that takes ALL of the donation and gives it to Van Dyke's family?
I have never heard of a murderer being charged and convicted for every single shot they fired. This includes murderers of both blacks and whites. What is different about this case? Does such a difference rebel the motivations behind this case? Also, could someone familiar with the law explain why the deceased was not a fleeing felon in possession of a lethal weapon?
Is the sacrifice worth it for a 20-year job starting at $70K and a full pension when you're only in your early 50s?
How can we go to court and deal with the piece of shit ASA's they are out to get us at every turn and have no conscience in doing it, all for the democrats. Any PO other than the new three year wonder ( no talking to them they are just as arrogance as the merit so called supervisors )that do police work is a fucking nuts give the city nothing and save your pension remember black live matter but only for the ghetto lottery and for nothing else
What bothers me most is that the jury didn't even give him the 1st 2 shots. 16 counts of agg batt? Slow roll everywhere, this is what they want
Is there a place to donate money to JVD family?
Dan Herbert is a good lawyer. This case was a loser from jump street. He was not getting acquitted. If you believe otherwise you probably believe in the Easter Bunny too .
Since this is open post...if you’re in serious need of legal representation, seriously consider someone other than Dan Herbert. He may be a nice guy, may have been the police, etc...but he is not the guy you want if your job, or your freedom, is in jeopardy.
10/06/2018 12:15:00 AM.
Completely agree. This guy is a hack attorney whose dad was Devines driver. Yoy need people that can actually make intelligent legal arguments. I hope someone else handles the appeal.
I heard that one of the jurors said that they discuss in deliberation what would happen to the city if they didn't convict. I believe that should be used in the grounds for appeal, worried what the shitheads would do and not the officer life and they just condemn him to a faith worst than death.
Be done forever, let the city burn in flames, go home safe and find a new profession.
Dan Herbert representing me in a murder trial...lmfao..no fucking way. That clown was WAY outta his league. Stick to admid cases clown. If you ever get charged criminally, hire the best team you can afford, take out loans, it will be a bitch and expensive but it will be worth it to stay outta prison.
Let the ghetto folk run amok. It’s what they do best. Be there only to roll the tape and place markers on the pavement. Do not go with lights and sirens, because even if you do that, it will be scrutinized by the commie media, lambasted by the clergy, and you will then be victimized by the ghetto lottery group.
Those of you who work in the home front, please remember to police because this community believes in you and believes in law and order.
Rogers Park Neighborhood, cops will worry about conviction if they shoot. But police must still serve and protect. How to reconcile the two?
10/06/2018 12:16:00 AM
My prayers go out to Rodgers park residents. There is nothing to reconcile. Police have no choice.
Just think about what Officer Van Dyke is going through in the medical Wing of Cook County Jail.
This man did not receive a fair trial. He needed a Johnny Cochran to defend him, this is not your mothers 70's police city. This is 2018!.
Your children are communism lovers!and hate the US: stupid and easily manipulated by paid protestors.
Shitty job as usual FLOP. When a copper gets charged like this the National FLOP and you fools should pay for top notch defense. I mean what the fuck else do you do besides give out calenders and stickers every year for all the dues. Fucking useless organization.
To: To hell with a certain F/1 commander who cheered when the verdict was read
Which commander was this?
How could they judge allow such an illogical verdict. Chicago public education????
Complete farce, the verdict was set long ago in the community court of bigmouth opinion thanks to rotten jags like Rahm and PrickFoxxWanker. Aloof judge did little to control the pros rhetoric and inference. The corrupt Sts atty admin office was celebrating like the unwashed protestors. A disgrace.
I guess it’s easy to say Stay Fetal, but all one has to do is examine what just happened.
Shouldn’t take long.
This matter doesn’t end with these people.
So now does Rahm supplement the already paid out Lackquan Settlemint?
Prickwrinkle thinks so.
The other $15+ million campaign cash question...is Rahm back in?
Like PrickWanker, he won’t have to send a war chest dime either to fcck up the crowded ballot.
For those of you who condemn JVD attorney Daniel Herbert, a former decorated Chicago Police Officer......Think again...….This case was lost before it even started. Look what he had to work against.....the WHOLE FUCKED-UP CITY...….and Judge Gaughan, he's a real piece of work, treated Herbert like a piece of shit the whole trial...….Johhnie Cochran couldn't have won this case on his best day. I thought Herbert did outstanding, and did the best job he could, under the circumstances.....But, folks.....(or people)….it's not over until the fat lady sings.....there's still a tiny sliver of hope with the upcoming appeal...…...PLEASE GOD, HELP US...…...amen......
What are the chances Rauner commutes his sentence?
10/06/2018 12:07:00 AM
About the same chances that your pet unicorn will start walking on its hind legs.
Can someone FOIA the JVD report that all the Gold Stars signed off on, and put it up here?
Just so we are all clear.
Who was the F/1 Commander who cheered? Bet she never stepped out of her squad to do real police work. Thanks Ed.
This is not the fault of Herbert. No one could have won this case. JVD was the white sacrificial lamb to appease the cop haters, phony reverends, black caucus and the entire west and south side ghetto rats that kill each other and rob and kill innocent people. These pos feral predators have now been empowered by this and crime will skyrocket. Cop hating Sophia king and pat dowell, two black alderscum sent out an email telling people to go to Livingston’s rally at city hall. We must now fight back with everything we have.
Unfortunately for Officer Van Dyke the judge will make an example of him when it comes down to sentencing. From what I understand about the sentencing as it currently stands the second degree murder conviction at this point is moot. The aggravated battery charges carries a minimum sentence of six years and can go as high as 30 years.
The judge I felt was totally biased towards the State Prosecutor in his rulings and his general demeanor towards the defendant's attorneys.
My guess is Officer Van Dyke will receive a minimum sentence of at the very least 10 years. I think it will be in the 20 to 30 year range, and Officer Van Dyke will have to serve 85% of that sentence. He will most likely be in his sixties when released.
Be safe as possible CPD, and thank you for the job you all perform.
Can someone please provide a legit link or info how to donate to JVD's family? Thanks
While I question some of Dan Herberts strategies in this case I thought his comments to the media after the verdict were strongly worded and spot on.
VanDyke was definitely a sacrificial lamb for political and racial reasons.
The fact that he’s absolutely right simply nauseates me.
What a cesspool Chicago and Crook County are.
I have watched enough Datelines to know a jury trial is never a good idea.
I don't think the defense lawyer had any impact. After listening to the jurors being interviewed, it was obvious they were not following Illinois law regarding police use of force. The one older white guy even stated "de-escalation" as to what Van Dyke should have done. Proof of how stupid they were is the fact they thought not even the 1st shot was justified. Case should get overturned on appeal due to him clearly being in compliance with Illinois statutes, and Supreme Court case Graham vs Connor.
What hurt Van Dyke was his statement to detectives, his testimony, and the absolute stupidity of the jury. How the hell can they possibly think zero of the gunshots were legal and justified?
"The battle is over"
LOVe the citizen's support!
Keep posting to suppurt LE!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What are the chances Rauner commutes his sentence?
10/06/2018 12:07:00 AM
Rauner has always been pro law enforcement and he’s a lame duck so why not?
It’ll never happen because everyone walks on eggshells as to how “the community” will react.
Years and years of political and media pandering to “the community” has created the hot mess that we’re in.
All of us at the firehouse yesterday were disgusted by this outcome we are all still here for you guys
This was all to keep Rahm in office last election. The media doesn’t understand that any cover-up was ffom the politicians and exempts. Rahm got re-elected and the exempts retired or were promoted.
Call your supervisor to make any critical decisions. If you arrive as backup allow the assinged officers to run the show, as you will be scrutinized for being late to the scene but acting ahead of them.
When cameras are recording stop talking about what-ifs. It will only be used against you.
Let paramedics do their jobs, unless it’s the police that needs aide.
Keep records of all traing slights, it could help in the future.
Finally, get out of this department.
Well if you ever catch a shooter charge him for each bullet agg battery on your arrest report and let the operations Lt strike through all the excess charges don’t delete them. If your going to charge an officer with 16 counts agg battery its a witch hunt and overcharging so see if states attorneys will charge a criminal with each round. Involuntary manslaughter and maybe official misconduct is what he should of been charged with. FOP should demand that in officer involved shootings they require 3 days for an officer to make statements like the FBI not in two hours of the incident. The officer is in tunnel vision and still has not really registered what just occurred because it’s a dramatic emotional psychological state of mind. JVD you been railroaded by the city and the Dept. A sacrificial Lamb. God be with you & your family during this time of need.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The community is in for Baltimore style policing.
10/06/2018 12:15:00 AM
Seeing the absolute joy they’re expressing over this they don’t even deserve that.
Let’s start with Baltimore style policing and see how that works out for “the community”
I’d like to go even further.
Withdraw all CPD resources from all “communities”
They despise us and don’t want us there.
Let’s honor their wishes. Send CPD resources to neighborhoods that appreciate us and have been getting the short end of the stick for a long time now.
The one blogger said it best “and for what, some ghetto bullshit that happens day in and day out. Nobody, family on down, gave a flying fuck about LMD until he was dead and became a paycheck”. Think about that the next time you think about pulling the trigger.
The offender who shot and killed the commander fired 8 rounds in his body, why wasn’t he also charged with 8 counts of aggravated battery ???
While I believe the shooting was a good shoot, the 16 shots were excessive.
I think JVD got caught up in the whole thing and couldn't stop himself.
Yes, you shoot to eliminate the threat. At what point was he no longer a threat? Once he went down, the shooting should have stopped. Could have always resumed shooting if LMcD actually tried to get up and attack. JVD would not be where he is today if he had realized that or if his partner had tried to stop him.
It's a sad day for the CPD and the City.
That consent decree is here to stay, get ready for the reaming.
Anonymous said...
Two Profound Statesmen Issue A Statement After Van Dyke Conviction
Chicago Fri 5 Oct 18 3:40pm
"Emanuel and Johnson said in a joint statement that, The effort to drive lasting reform and rebuild bonds of trust between residents and police must carry on with vigor."
Do you think that these two who caused this mess really composed that statement? Sounds like it was really made up by their public relations team who had an affection for Prime Minister Winston Churchill. One of his favorite words that he frequently used was vigor or vigour as the British spell it. One example was his statement in Parliament on 4 Jul 1940 when he said, "........contrary, prosecute the war with the utmost vigour, by all means."
So ask yourselves, after hearing the Mayor and Superintendent, will you be exuberant and have the strength of body and mind to "CARRY ON WITH VIGOR?"
10/06/2018 02:57:00 AM
I do not believe that Johnson writes his own memos and emails. Everything is dictated to him bny the mayor's office. Do you really believe that the mayor and johnson actually care about the well being of street officers? On their mind are politics and survival. This verdict will divide the department along racial lines. Black officers celebrating while white officers upset. We desperately need a strong leader to guide us through this horrible event. What do we hvae? Mr Fenner. SMH
I find it nauseating that JVD's daughters have to see their dad behind glass, and how much hatred they hear about him. All the while that neglectful bitch let her criminal son rampage on drugs through the streets. LM made his mother rich. I hope the reunite in hell.
is it true that the 005 desk crew cheered when the verdict was read? shame they do not know how to be the police.
Anonymous said...
What I noticed from today's "celebratory march" (obnoxious mob) that obstructed people trying to get home from the downtown area was the finely printed signs that had the website caarpr.org. This is the Chicago Alliance Against Racist And Political Repression. These signs were held not by "poor souls" but by people who knew what they were doing. It seems they are sponsored by the Crossroads Fund 3411 W. Diversey which gives out grant monies to all kinds of activist groups in Chicago and promotes progressive community change. It is unclear where they are getting their money as they don't reveal that information. Remember this when you are putting up with these groups at demonstrations because they know who you are but you don't know who they are.
10/06/2018 01:07:00 AM
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And just who is providing those grant funds? Private entities or the US Government? If it's the later then something can be done to stop that.
Let us know. Many here are happy to help stop this kind of bs.
With all the factors against JVD it was a very difficult case from the get go. Stop blaming his attorney for a well fought fight. Time for the appeal and to take care of JVD's family.
I am still shaking my head about how Daley's nephew can get a change of venue but Jason couldn't. This had more pre-trial publicity. I only watched some of the trial but he should not have testified. The jurors also agreed.
I once was on a jury trial for a dui with a death involved. We were all on the fence until the defendant testified.
Hopefully, when it comes to sentencing the Judge has them run concurrent.
Stay safe out there.
This was a Political conviction, plain and simple. When I saw the video the first time I saw a guy running down the street then reach into his right side pocket and remove something and then flick that something (knife) to an open position with his right hand. He did not throw the knife away, it was there in his hand. It appeared to me that this guy was getting ready for battle not to surrender. I saw the video through my police eyes, the jury saw it through filtered (by politics) eyes. I don't know what else to say. This guy was ready to fight with his weapon, the knife. I do not believe the jury was properly advised on how to see this situation after hearing the interviews after the conviction. They were supposed to see this through Van Dykes eyes or put themselves in Van Dykes shoes that night, not anyone else's. What the other officers saw or felt was irrelevant because they weren't there face to face with the guy with the knife. What I did hear from those jurors that gave interviews afterwards were democrat political catch phrases, "De-escalate" anyone remember that term? The political machine is alive and well in this city and fed itself with a good man who did exactly what he was trained to do.
I'm going to have to be "that guy". I've spent over 2 decades on this job. Did you stop and think that this was a bad shooting? I work in the high schools now and love it. The kids get a kick out of my revolver and the drug sniffing dog.
since its an open post .....
.... Howz 'bout dose Bears! :-)
Three & One and 1st Place in the NFC North. And rightfully they **could* have been 4-0 if not for a lapse in secondary coverage on a couple of the Packer's plays late in the 4th quarter.
I won't guess if last week was Trubiskey's 'breakout game' but he finally hit receivers, who finally got open -- could the Buc's defense really suck that much, or are Da Bears Receivers that good?? For now I'll go with the old adage: 'Never look a gift horse in the mouth'.
One thing that does appear to be an undisputed fact; The Defense friggen Rocks! Kalil Mack's energy has upped the play of everyone on the defense, so IMHO he's worth every penny he's getting.
BUT!...comparing them to the '85 Bears is a little premature at this point. However keep in mind that in the early part of the '85 season, the defense wasn't dominant like it was at the end of the regular season and into the playoffs.
One last thing, note how the Penalties are now mostly going Da Bears way than in the past. They're much fewer and when they are called aren't at critical times. False Starts, Pass Interference and Defensive Holding don't come close to how they were called in the 'losing years'. This was the same in '85.
Go Bears
ps: all through the '85 season & playoffs I kept wondering; Are Da Bears REALLY this good, are they just really Lucky, or... is the rest of the NFL that bad?
pps: Stay Safe out there Guys & Gals. Go fetal if that's remotely required.
Which commander? Let people know
One thing from this trial to be concerned about is the fact that the SA and the jurors all said that since other officers on the scene didn’t fire or shoot then Why did JVD shoot? So is this his gonna be a new standard for shootings by police? If more than one officer is
On the scene of a shooting and only one officer fires does this call into question the legality of the shooting? Best advice just stay in you squad and don’t get out expect for lunch, personal, or going home. Expect this to happen again .....
If you think this is the final outrage, wait until they start charging the police for not acting.
Not everyone in the OEMC is a piece of shit. I saw the verdict somewhere else so I didn’t witness the cheering, but I believe we know who they were. Most of us have your backs and feel JVD got screwed. Stay frosty and safe.
A question: Was Mr. Van Dyke's police log/calls for that day ever in court?
I'm asking because I used to live in the 008 and the officers were short handed always going to call after call.
LaQuan McDonald was in court that morning the day he died. Seemingly he was always finding crime and had no life of stability at home since there was on home. I can't imagine showing up to a police call involving him...
It's really scary out here and i worry for my blue family. I worry for this officer in prison surrounded by the very people who hate police. Then if he comes out of prison, he will have a felony on his record.
My heart goes out to all of you.
https://youtu.be/AjA6ohZU0JA
Jason Van Dyke Jurors Speak to Media After Verdict 10/05/18
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