Department Turns Its Back
Here's your award....and here's your notice of termination:
- Chicago police Officer Brian Warner took a seat in the center of the hushed room and waited, the only sound the wail of sirens 16 floors below in the Loop.
Eight years ago, Warner shot a suspect dead after being wounded in the shoulder and was placed on full disability for PTSD, rare in the department.
Now the Policemen’s Annuity & Benefit Fund of Chicago was taking a look at his case. It had held three hearings over eight months marked by contentious questions, heated answers and some confusion about PTSD, remission and whether Warner could return to light duty.
- Weeks later, still raw from the pension board’s action, Warner learned even more devastating news. While he was on disability, the department moved to fire him because a search of the suspect had failed to find the gun.
The decision was made four years ago but no one told him. Then-Superintendent Garry McCarthy signed off on the termination less than two years after personally handing Warner the Award of Valor on a stage with Mayor Rahm Emanuel.
Well that's a great way to instill confidence in the men and women of the Department that even if you act heroically, if COPA and the Department can find a procedural error in your actions, you'll be facing thirty-pending over what should (more likely than not) be a training issue.
Labels: un-fucking-believable
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
151 Comments:
What the F%$k...
It's the Chicago Way.
Shows that Garry is a real stand-up guy.
Dummy thought his obligation was over
after he signed document.
I hope the cop will fight this and get Federal
SS disability.
I could understand if this was like some classic
NYPD cases, where investigators found the
disabled cops riding wave runners in Florida.
Yeah, yeah, I got back pain but my doc. told me
gentle exercise was O.K. What were the fucking
bar bills? Alcohol goes together real good with narcotics.
Get an award for the same incident you get recommended for termination!
I remember 20 years ago a Boss talking about a guy got an award and took 30 days for the same incident!
I’m speechless!
This is Mike Lappe and Tom Beyna our Pension Board Trustees that continue to do whatever the city trustees want. They sell out policemen at the board monthly. Please go watch what these goofs do. Sad but true.
Just like the U.S. military. We want fit, healthy
young men with no criminal backgrounds. We
train them to kill, and then they see unspeakable
things on the battlefield. If they should develop
bodily or mental problems the easiest thing is
to crumple them up like a piece of paper and
throw it in the trash (if they can get away with
it). All the forces have recruiting. The NFL actually
pays the government for jet fly-overs. The goal is
to lure in more suckers. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Ka-Ching to the U.S. taxpayer. $$$$$
But an off duty Sgt can shoot an unarmed, mentally challenged kid from his car, and only get 180 days. Makes sense.
PTSD was not acknowledged by the U.S. Military until 1980, and there can be no doubt that the day is coming when it will be recognized in law enforcement. One may argue that police service may not be as intense as military combat,but the challenges and experiences of a police career extend far longer than any individual soldier's exposure to combat. A soldier goes on patrol for a portion of his/her deployment. NO SOLDIER GOES ON PATROL FOR TWENTY PLUS YEARS; but cops may! And in the current political, and race divisive environment that is 21 st Century America; the police officer has become the "Enemy", and the hostility is not letting up. The high rate of police suicides,alcoholism and drug abuse is a reflection of the toll that the experience of policing is taking on police officers. It is one thing to deploy to another country, and see carnage and mayhem, in which case one can disassociate mentally from that circumstance. Cops see carnage and mayhem, in the place they call home. It is naive to think that anyone can be exposed to what police experience, without sustaining at least emotional damage. Perhaps the concept of 20 year careers is archaic. Whatever the ultimate outcome, Police PTSD will be the Agent Orange of the 21st Century. Stay Strong, it is not getting better. Baby "G"
Lol and Garry was a real cop to a lot of knuckle heads in the department... piece of filth that asshole
I don’t know anything about this case but I do know there is a major problem with the fraud in the disability claims. So this guy can’t even answer a phone or work at some desk? Is he able to drive his car? Run erronds, cut grass/yard work, travel etc.? There’s a function for him somewhere on the department.
This is the New Chicago Police Department.
I like where the Superintendent said you are culpable for your partner’s searching! If the officer died who didn’t search and the officer who searched lived. Could the searching officer be changed with a crime for letting the criminal keep his gun that he was concealing. This is getting to be a high stakes job! I want to finish out my time 99 so I’m not culpable for anyone but me! This job totally blows!
To all of the police officers who voted for Mccarthy for mayor. How do you feel about him now? Now go out there and get me some activity.
Don't do shit fuck this dept
This department abd city is a joke. Dont get hurt they will turn their back on you.
Absolutely fucking sickening! And if they peeled off his 5 shirts and 2 pairs of pants IPRA/COPA would beef that the officers conducted a totally intrusive strip search they were not entitled to perform without a warrant. Anyone remember the two tact officers in the 010th district that were shot by an arrestee in their back seat? Happened in the late 80’s or early 90’s if I remember correctly. The bad guy gets arrested, transported, processed and put in lock up. He wants to help himself and says he has info on a drug house. The officers take him out of lockup so he can show them the house. He’s handcuffed and put in back of tact car. He pulls the gun he had on him the whole time and kills both officers in the car. Both officers were rightly given full honors funerals and their stars placed in the honored star case at 35th Street. How is this any different?
So they move to fire him, but a sgt who shoots a special needs person in a drive by, keeps his job?
Anyone who does a thing on this job, needs to have their head examined. 35th street doesn't give a shit about us. They only care about their huge pensions. This city doesn't give a shit about us. If this and other incidents of officers getting screwed over doesn't make officers see the light, nothing will. Wake up.
Heh...
And the city STILL won't release the results
of the Morale Survey commissioned by j-fled
back in '07-'08...
Gee... Could it be THAT damning an indictment
of how the city treats Policemen that they've
kept it under lock and key for 12 years?
"Department Turns It's Back"
Funny... Everybody is all up their own ass
about how Policemen should be building "trust"
with a community that overwhelmingly reviles them
and yet nary a word is being said about City Hall
and HQ deliberately building a most adversarial
relationship with the men and women of this
department.
Policemen are wholly justified in their hatred,
mistrust and disdain of City Hall and HQ.
Hmmm...
How many other Policemen have been used up
and cast aside over the years in similar such fashion?
Why is it that CPD working conditions are equivalent
to conditions in tyrannical tinpot dictatorships?
Police Stations that are open and notorious
upper respiratory ailment and cancer clusters...
Decrepit and obsolete equipment.
Dearth of training as a means of "achieving
efficiencies," aka stealing allocated/budgeted monies
and spending it on graft, political lick hitting and pandering.
You know... All the shit that points to the
ongoing narration that it is The Police who
are the source of all that is wrong with Chicago.
So the Department, in order to escape it's duty
and responsibility has actively sought to label
this officer a sullen malingerer and chronic
malcontent who's "not playing team ball" by
taking a STFU about having PTSD...
"If we cave to THIS guy, We might be on the hook
criminally and civilly for all the other Coppers
we fucked with and/or forced off the job whether
for medical reasons."
As well these funky bastards SHOULD BE.
There's your REAL Code of Silence.
The "apparatus" is a living and breathing thing and it WILL
do whatever is necessary to protect, perpetuate and propagate
itself much to the grief and aggravation of MANY good men
and women.
And yet the department feigns concern when
Policemen climb inside a bottle or worse still,
kill themselves because the ugly shit they've seen
over the years is oozing under the doors in their
mental and emotional closets where they shove said shit
and push the door closed just so they can get up and try
to function the next day...
The sin and shame that this is.
The rank and utter hypocrisy too.
Nobody has a compelling interest in trying
to do what's right other than the front line
Policemen themselves.
Now get out there and build that community trust that all the
willfully and joyously ignorant usuals are noisily and relentlessly
banging off their ill-informed, unchecked by a brain or a conscience
dick beaters about.
Police Like You Have No Friends.
"Weeks later, still raw from the pension board’s action, Warner learned even more devastating news. While he was on disability, the department moved to fire him because a search of the suspect had failed to find the gun."
And, lets not forget, they failed to seatbelt the suspect in the back of the squad car!
Cannon fodder, nothing but cannon fodder...
The guys who worship Mccarthy are the same cops that kiss ass for compstat. What a mess.
Stop acting so surprised It's the Chicago way. You are a tool, when a tool breaks you throw it away and get a new one.
Don't get me wrong, but Warner isn't really want I would call a hero...that term is thrown around much too loosely. I'd say moreso (describing his actions that fateful day) that he cleaned up his (and his partner's) f**kup...even having said that, it's disgraceful how the Department has played him. Glad that McCarthy didn't gain much traction in his quest to be mayor.
Regarding that incident from long ago in the 010th District, both officers weren't killed. One officer did survive that shooting, as I recall.
Two different issues here.
1. Given an award , then moved for firing. A recommendation sitting in Ed’s inbox, post McStreetlights. This issue is mind-boggling itself. The officers failed in finding the weapon during a pat down and may have handcuffed him improperly. Was he seat belted in ? If not, that’s 3 faults right there, basic police procedures in handling an arrestee. The entire incident was handled improperly on both sides.
2. Playing the PTSD card for too long. Really ? Can’t do a desk job if going back to patrol is so stressful ? Go work at Hime Depot, they’re hiring. Tell the officer who actually caught a bullet and is paralyzed from the neck down on a breathing apparatus about disability.
Just goes to show what a P.O.S. McCarthy is! Anybody still drinking that asshole's koolaid needs their heads examined. McCarthy was, is, and will always be a narcissist, self promoting, and pandering piece of shit. On a side note, if you want to see something real ironic, go look at his GMFM Facebook page. This dickhead is standing next to a bus talking about how he was thrown under the bus (by Rahm). Very ironic that McCarthy would say this considering the amount of people HE has thrown under the bus including the officer in this article. Go back to New York you piece of shit!
Know this. I work in 018. This guy is pissed off at the CPD for not being a merit pick for detective. He was told he was getting fired because he and his partner were cocktailing prior to the shooting. Yea, he took a round into his vest but it never went into him. When told he was getting 30 days+ his partner retired early.
Now this guy works as an armed security driver for the movies here and is with the teamsters. BW has been a self-serving fraud since he came on the job. We all know it but kudos to him for pulling a fast one on the media and those coppers who do not know his history.
He no more has PTSD than the man on the moon.
Hey Gorner,
Pull the FOIA the list of terminations that McJersey signed off on?
I will lay great money you see a pattern of this ex superintendent signing off on terminations of Department members.
The only problem is the fact that almost 90% of these members were never terminated, after police board review.
Why? Read the police board findings? They will show the investigations that were signed by McShootout the lights,
were all flawed by bad investigation. And this goofy leader never read the allegations or charges.
You will also find that just prior to being terminated himself he was stuck signing off on terminations when he never reviewed the
Case?
But this is the Department they wanted, award a member then fire him? Builds confidence right
This is why OPS, IPRA and COPA along with IAB should be run by independent investigators.
Not the City or Department.
Who are beholding to the boss who gave them a job?
Can you see Audy Murphy collect all his awards then be court martial for some silly allegation?
I don’t know anything about this particular case. What I do know is that PTSD in law enforcement is very real. EVERY mental health professional knows there is no possible way a person can deal with the horrors brought down upon you every single day for 20 or 30 years, and this job not have a devastating psychological effect.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Absolutely fucking sickening! And if they peeled off his 5 shirts and 2 pairs of pants IPRA/COPA would beef that the officers conducted a totally intrusive strip search they were not entitled to perform without a warrant. Anyone remember the two tact officers in the 010th district that were shot by an arrestee in their back seat? Happened in the late 80’s or early 90’s if I remember correctly. The bad guy gets arrested, transported, processed and put in lock up. He wants to help himself and says he has info on a drug house. The officers take him out of lockup so he can show them the house. He’s handcuffed and put in back of tact car. He pulls the gun he had on him the whole time and kills both officers in the car. Both officers were rightly given full honors funerals and their stars placed in the honored star case at 35th Street. How is this any different?
3/09/2019 02:34:00 AM
You really need to review what happened during that incident and get your facts straight. It occurred on 07-Jan-1991 if that will assist you in your education.
The city is making it easier and easier for me to remain fetal. Whenever I think there just might be a reason to keep doing the job I love (or at least used to love) I read something like this which brings me crashing right back to reality. Our only practical options are to coast to retirement, take a cop job in another department outside of Cook County (preferably outside of Illinois), or learn to sell insurance. I'd almost rather sell shoes with Al Bundy than keep being treated like this. Fuck this city, fuck this county, fuck this state, and fuck this department. I'm truly a broken man.
This is the New Chicago Police Department.
I like where the Superintendent said you are culpable for your partner’s searching! If the officer died who didn’t search and the officer who searched lived. Could the searching officer be changed with a crime for letting the criminal keep his gun that he was concealing. This is getting to be a high stakes job! I want to finish out my time 99 so I’m not culpable for anyone but me! This job totally blows!
Your logic is spot on and indicative of the post consent decree tension to come
Take care of our own. no one else will.
Is this turbo from 010?
Totally believe it! Received a DC and a CR ... Same incident ...same day. Was HILARIOUS because it was ON the same day and the WC spread it out at roll call. We laughed like crazy! Oh, I personally know Brian and this isn't BS. Aside from the procedural side of things those guys did suffer.. And now he suffers twice.
I could just see the video now. Two officers in the 018th District having an arrestee with several layers of clothing strip those layers off while standing in the street we’ve all seen the way these homeless or mentally unstable people dress in the winter. That video would go viral and the officers who catch time for sure if not worse. You seriously can’t win on this job.
So they arrested this guy and from the back seat he was able to retrieve his handgun and takes a shot at the officers striking Warner. They have to return fire and kill the offender. Anyone who is A. Shot as a result of doing this job and B. Fires his or her weapon which results in the taking of a life might just have some serious issues with continuing on this job. Isn’t that why we have these programs? To allow people to use them. I don’t know this guy but if he says he has issues and seems medical treatment I would want to error on the side of caution and allow for the disability pension. This is not the case they want to use as an example of taking advantage of the system. Especially with what five suicides within the last year? Coppers are very stressed about making the wrong decisions. Working under a microscope every day to grueling. Now you have an officer who was involved in a shooting being fired and benefits denied because he drinks too much or has talked to the media. Great way to support the troops. I’m sure it makes officers safe asking for help.
Of course the City has our backs...,that way it's easier to shove the knife in.
Officers have to deal with dangers in the streets, and back-bitting merit hacks in the station.
What's there to be stressed out about?
F**k this job.
Is it still policy that light /limited duty can only used only once during. your career, and if you can’t effect an arrest you have to quit, retire, or go on disability?
To: 3/09/2019 02:34:00 AM
Anonymous said...
Absolutely fucking sickening! And if they peeled off his 5 shirts and 2 pairs of pants IPRA/COPA would beef that the officers conducted a totally intrusive strip search they were not entitled to perform without a warrant. Anyone remember the two tact officers in the 010th district that were shot by an arrestee in their back seat? Happened in the late 80’s or early 90’s if I remember correctly. The bad guy gets arrested, transported, processed and put in lock up. He wants to help himself and says he has info on a drug house. The officers take him out of lockup so he can show them the house. He’s handcuffed and put in back of tact car. He pulls the gun he had on him the whole time and kills both officers in the car. Both officers were rightly given full honors funerals and their stars placed in the honored star case at 35th Street. How is this any different?
Unfortunately you don’t have all of your facts straight....only one officer died and the other remained on the department until he retired.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This is Mike Lappe and Tom Beyna our Pension Board Trustees that continue to do whatever the city trustees want. They sell out policemen at the board monthly. Please go watch what these goofs do. Sad but true.
3/09/2019 12:38:00 AM
ACTUALLY....What they've done is save the pension more than 10 Million ion fraudulent claims of "Disability".
An Officer is barely allowed to patdown an offender on the public way, so it allows something like this to happen. How often are guns “recovered” in processing areas or lockup? This Fuck Job stinks to high heaven, what a Spit on the Face. If he dies then he’s a Hero, because he lives he’s now a Burden. Bravery, is almost looked upon as a liability! Better off dead, or Silent. Sgt. of Det. is another example of Bravery against the Cabal. At some point there needs to be a call for a Massive BLUE FLU!!!!!
Award situation happened to me some time ago. Got a commendation and a 5 day suspension for the same arrest. Luckily I won at arbitration.
Absolutely fucking sickening! And if they peeled off his 5 shirts and 2 pairs of pants IPRA/COPA would beef that the officers conducted a totally intrusive strip search they were not entitled to perform without a warrant. Anyone remember the two tact officers in the 010th district that were shot by an arrestee in their back seat? Happened in the late 80’s or early 90’s if I remember correctly. The bad guy gets arrested, transported, processed and put in lock up. He wants to help himself and says he has info on a drug house. The officers take him out of lockup so he can show them the house. He’s handcuffed and put in back of tact car. He pulls the gun he had on him the whole time and kills both officers in the car. Both officers were rightly given full honors funerals and their stars placed in the honored star case at 35th Street. How is this any different?
I do they both didn't die Eddie Jones died,Dobson was shot in neck and lived but was forced to come back to work even though he didn't speak right any more. Don't know what happened to him after I left ten. It was in Jan 92. RIP Eddie we still remember.
PTSD Is a huge can a worms they don’t want to open!! If he were to get it 90% of us have symptoms of PTSD from this job and the trauma we’ve seen. They’re afraid there would be numerous disability claims.
Read McCarthy’s position on this. And then to those coppers who voted for him - fuck you.
Just mention one name at his hearing. Sgt. Khalil-Drive-by-Muhammad! Expose the hypocrisy! At least this officer didn't shoot an autistic black youth for no reason. How does the punishment fit here? 180 days for a bad shooting vs. termination for a bad search? Has the city lost it's mind? Just another case for the politically unconnected and the double standard for the clouted here. I have never heard of anyone getting fired for a bad search.
That being said, know this...the Dept. has no machinery in place to deal with PTSD or many other health related illnesses the police suffer from. (I know!) They will only take care of you until some bean counter says, Hey! why are we taking care of this person? Remember Densey Cole? Once you are out of recent memory, they tend to forget your sacrifice. Make them Remember!
You have to read between the lines on this one. The department is trying to prevent PTSD from becoming a disability claim. Plain and simple. Once that flood gate is opened they believe that it will be abused by officers looking to scam the system. Are they right? Who knows,
Why are people on disability paid out of the pension find rather than by the city?
Even though I believe this department would fuck you over in a heartbeat, there seems to be something fishy with this story. Would like to hear all sides before chirping up, just saying! And I do agree that there is rampant abuse of duty disability, that whole program needs a serious audit.
Most experts agree that most police officers have PTSD to some degree depending on how much they have seen / done (which means the CPD clouted have no PTSD, but I digress). That being said, was he so disabled that he couldn't even answer a phone at HQ or maybe work in the mail room away from all citizens and police work?
As for Gerry McCarthy, he is a scumbag of the highest order and this Department and city SUCK!
“Let’s be damned sure that no man’s ghost will ever say - if your training program had only done its job.”
Gmac’s flip-flop, what’s the purpose, was he trying to save his job? Where’s the email exchange with Rahm? Another coverup?
And this guy wanted to be your mayor.
Mistakes are going to happen to everyone of every trade or occupation.
But Gmac’s philosophy of nobody should be killed over a mistake is utter pandering bullshit when it comes to the police reacting to an active shooter and they’re the target.
What a stupid comment. Something one would expect from dimwit SpecialEd.
This wasn’t someone drowning in a bathtub because the plumber left failed to unblock a drain pipe when fixing a leaky faucet.
Mistakes happen and when it comes to the police, we have no excuse? All these feral mutts do is complain when handcuffs are too tight and still the biased COPA bends over backwards to vilify the police with excessive use of force for resistive and combative feral offenders.
COPA should not have any final say in this matter. The Dept was likely wrong and allows COPA to overrule.
Survival mode and the humane pysche, yes there’s a reaction, especially when trained.
Thinking about all the COPA bullshit what Rahm allowed, are things going it get any better after any arrest?
Stay fetal, the feral are a protected species.
here is my question: who were the elected department members when this case was voted on? how did they voted and who are they? if anyone knows please let us know
Don't car chase,don't foot chase,don't stop anyone,don't pull out your firearm, just answer the radio and go to your calls. Anything more than that and your soft!!!!!
wow. fucking wow. fail to find a gun and you're fired now? But, as has been said, shooting an unarmed mentally disabled kid from 30 feet away and all is OK? Fuck this department.
Plenty of spot for the needy
HQ front desk
Phone guy for IAD since they never seem to be in the office.
311 callback with all the damaged toys
Plenty of spots only if you were a clouted merit.
I retired under McCarthy. I had a one day trip on his desk. He wanted to raise the suspension. This was within a month of my retirement date. Nearly cost me my retirement seat and ID, conceal carry rights. Just so that he could micromanage a suspension. I went downtown on my last day, with no idea I would retire in good standing.
He was FUCKING SHOT!!! and this goofy department fires him?? If any of you lift a FINGER on this job you are epic idiots. And all the bosses can fuck off!!!
For all you idiots supporting Lightfoot, let this be a big heads up to you, she supports this kind of shit.
"When told that it was Warner’s partner who actually missed the gun, McCarthy said it probably would not have changed his decision because partners are “culpable” for each other."
Everyone of us, at least those that actually work or have worked the street suffer from some level of PTSD. The city and pension board can never acknowledge this. The cost of treatment would be astronomical. The possibility that officers are working the streets with PTSD would be both political and departmentally damaging. You can't see what we see, experience what we experience and not have PTSD. Some police departments around the country are starting to acknowledge it, but don't expect it from the politicians and their cronies, the Superintent and department hierarchy to ever acknowledge it without city hall approval.
Warner and Lightfoot argue about what motivates all the lawsuits:
Fast forward to 8:44
https://news.wttw.com/2017/09/05/understanding-court-oversight-new-lawsuit-seeks-police-reforms
The department is waiting for Jim Mullen to refuse to cooperate so they can terminate him?
All the awards are worth nothing when it comes to bottom line,
and how much city has to pay out.
What Mccarthy did was unconscionable; however, the pension board is right to send this malingerer back to work.
Garr definitely not a class act. I'm not sure how this idiot can sleep at night.
3/09/2019 12:48:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I don’t know anything about this case but I do know there is a major problem with the fraud in the disability claims. So this guy can’t even answer a phone or work at some desk? Is he able to drive his car? Run erronds, cut grass/yard work, travel etc.? There’s a function for him somewhere on the department.
3/09/2019 12:49:00 AM
Totally agree. If you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen. This job ain’t for everyone, hence the weak turning to booze and other things to self soothe. But I blame the city and department for not weeding out the Sally’s in the application process. Some - A LOT of people actually should have never made it past the initial psych test let alone the follow up with the shrink. Sorry to hear you can’t sleep well and tip the bottle a little too much, but you’re 7 x 3, so figure it out one way or the other. And while you’re doing that you can work a desk or other admin spot and keep kicking into to pension that guys like me who did 30+ years in the ghettos (4 shootings, 2 fatal, dead babies, people burned alive trapped in a bldg while I heard them scream as they cooked to death, etc etc) contributed to without complaining. God speed brother, but suck it up and handle your business. It CAN be done without all the drama attached to it.
Hateful and unconscionable...
So the department and city hall have cast Ofc. Warner
as a sullen, mope-like malingerer and a temper tantrum
throwing malcontent because he is very rightfully angry
at the department and the city wholly abdicating their
duty of due care and responsibility because he dared to
champion his own cause when they were deliberately slow
walking him for "not playing team ball?"
"Smile while your societal betters give you a taste
of the back of their hand across your front teeth
and learn to love it!"
The Pension Board made a shit-assed and craven move at
his hearing... "Oh? You're angry and fighting us back
because we're shitting on you? OK m/fer... Take THIS!"
And that the board, CPD hierarchy and city hall colluded
to retaliate against Ofc. Warner is eye-watering.
This isn't "due dilligence to protect the taxpayer
and judiciously safeguard the city and the fund."
This is just mean, hateful and unaccountable people
holding sway in the petty little fiefdom they've
carved out for themselves.
Heh... As an aside, we have wondered for years where
that Morale Survey commissioned by j-fled back in
'07-'08 has been hidden away at?
Gotta protect the politicians and the department from all
culpability, liability and responsibility.
This is why working conditions are so wretched.
This is why there has been a deliberate dearth
of working, fully integrated equipment in good
repair.
This is why actual hands-on training has been
replaced by watching a video and having stuff
miraculously appear in your department training
file.
This is why the city and the department have
gotten away with not mitigating or replacing
notorious upper respiratory ailment and cancer
cluster physical plants.
To say the least of being walked backwards every
issue pertinent to Police Officer well-being.
Save those dollars allocated to The Police so they
can be stolen and spent on political pandering pet
projects to appease/entice "Tha' Communerty" and
corporate/finance kingpins.
Remember...
"The Police are what's wrong with Chicago.
Once we fix them, everything else will fall
in place."
What was done to Ofc. Warner and many others is
a sin and a crying shame.
Now get out there and "build trust" with wholly dangerous
and toxic "The Community of Immunity/Impunity & Total
Absence Of Accountability."
Finally be the humbly self-effacing, "public servant" they demand
that you be to the point of total contradiction of YOUR self preservation,
safety and well being because it gives THEM and others a tingle FINALLY
being able to see YOU constrained from protecting yourselves so hard and
getting hurt physically, mentally, emotionally and financially.
"WAH! Why are you Cops so angry, defiant and hostile toward us?
Aren't there RULES against you being that way? If only you would
stop fighting being reformed and finally being held "ACCOUNTABLE!"
Giddy with joy, aren't they?
And people wonder why...
"Police Like You Have No Friends."
I don't understand, and I hope someone will explain this to those of us who are not CPD or maybe just plain stupid.
This officer got shot in the shoulder. He is being fired because they didn't find a gun. I am not a detective, but it seems to me if he was shot in the shoulder, then there must have been a gun somewhere.
For the poster who suggested that this officer be placed on desk or lawn mowing duties, that is not what he signed up for. Either position makes promotion impossible.
I know a couple of exempts who missed a gun when they were working together as POs in 024. Left it in the back seat of the squad car and didnt check after their tour of duty. They were lucky twice. The first time when the shithead didnt blast them. The second time when the department didnt fire them like they are trying to fire this cop. Bunch of BULLSHIT. The only ones who where unlucky where the poor cops that had to work for these exempts, they both suck.
The pension board is tighting the loose strings that too-long prevailed on this department with all the disability claims. PTSD is one of those claims. If you are physically able bodied, there is no reason a desk job of some sort along with continued mental health care counseling be in order. Was this offered? Was there a refusal ? Both sides handled this poorly.
This officer can probably find employment outside the department, but collecting a 75% check with no taxes is easier.
Time to wake the fuck up and sit the fuck down.
If he were a boss, they would promote him, then give him 100% disability based on the higher pay and then get him another city job on top of that.
What's up with these "Gold Coast" warriors suffering from their supposed PTSD. There are dozens of them according to the Trib article trying for disability. Maybe they watched too much 1 ADAM 12 on TV when growing up instead of Gunsmoke or Dirty Harry movies and didn't realize the gun on their hip was more than a hat rack. What did they think the job was when they signed up. Did they never think they would run into "bad guys" in this profession or see terrible things? Maybe they should've worked some actual "high crime-violent" districts before being assigned to the cushier parts of town. I saw a few of these types over the years and while I could sympathize with their plight I couldn't empathize with their view of reality. I agree, however, that the department does a lousy job in counseling before hiring and after hire and that should be addressed. Not everyone is cut out for this type of work.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This is Mike Lappe and Tom Beyna our Pension Board Trustees that continue to do whatever the city trustees want. They sell out policemen at the board monthly. Please go watch what these goofs do. Sad but true.
Evidently you did not go and watch or read the case. The vote was 6-1 with 3 of our trustees, Wodnicki, Wright and Beyna voting against Warner along with 3 city representatives. Mike Lappe was the only one that supported him and voted that way
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I don’t know anything about this case but I do know there is a major problem with the fraud in the disability claims. So this guy can’t even answer a phone or work at some desk? Is he able to drive his car? Run erronds, cut grass/yard work, travel etc.? There’s a function for him somewhere on the department.
You should have stopped after your first 7 words. You know nothing about the case, but you comment? Warner wasn’t allowed to go back to work for the CPD
I was near there when that happened. Chicago and Franklin. The homeless piss bum easily hid the gun, multiple pairs of pants, shirts jackets. Easy to miss a small gun in all that padding without stripping the flea bagged body lice infested shithead. I used to work with Warner's partner in 014 back when there was 100 homicides a year in 014. Old guy has since retired, he didn't have to go through that shit. And OUR rep votes against the guy? Bullshit! Where is his FOP attorney? That cop needs help or we'll have another suicide. No way I'll ever vote for that nitwit for the pension board again. He should be fighting and screaming for Officer Warner, not voting to give it to him up the bum!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Shows that Garry is a real stand-up guy.
Dummy thought his obligation was over
after he signed document.
I hope the cop will fight this and get Federal
SS disability.
I could understand if this was like some classic
NYPD cases, where investigators found the
disabled cops riding wave runners in Florida.
Yeah, yeah, I got back pain but my doc. told me
gentle exercise was O.K. What were the fucking
bar bills? Alcohol goes together real good with narcotics.
How would you get federal SS disability if you don’t have SS quarters? Most of us don’t
As far as you bringing the NYPD disabled officers into the comments. They have nothing to do with this , they were fired and the most important point is that wasn’t the case here. Had nothing to do with fraud
There seems to be more and more of this lately.
It’s almost like nobody has our backs.
Policing is dead. Give “the community”, the liberals, the bossholes what they want.... be beyond fertal, be in uetro.
See how that all works out for them.
I think the 30 days pending is BS & will be reversed by Stup-Ed (bank on it). I like Brian and I think he’s a great guy but why can’t he answer a phone, type emails, sort paper, look up case reports etc. at HQ. Plenty of limited duty officers at HQ, Academy & OEMC that are just administrative. I’ve been involvrd in 2 shootings, I’m not sitting at home collecting 75% with medical till 63. I sought help and still see Dr Sobol regularly. If Brian can function in his daily life he should be able to work administratively. There’s a Sgt at the academy and several PO’s at HQ who have had dibilitating injuries (with many surgeries) who were brought back to answer phones, why can’t Brian? At some point we have to stop milking the very system we will eventually depend on in our later years.
Do nothing except of the 1st and 16th. Just take the check and smile.
They assholes need to get what they deserve and created.
This is glaring proof that the department has zero fcks to give about any of us, especially the non connected.
They completely ignore the DOJ recommendations regarding officers mental health & well being.
PTSD is real.
If you think you can just ignore things like this you are a complete moron.
Brian Warner could be any of us. Don’t fool yourselves thinking the city and department wouldn’t screw you over
like they have Brian.
I used to be a hard charger.
I have learned.
Don’t be a stooge for this city or department. Protect yourself and back up your fellow officers above all.
Do the bare minimum. Take the report. Dot your i’s and cross your t’s.
Let this city turn into the violent sewer that they deserve.
Retire and collect a pension.
If you’re new on the job, leave Cook county and be the police where the public doesn’t want a violent sewer.
Old Garry proving once again he was never a real policeman. He was a political hack in New York as well as here!
Thank you ACLU for destroying CPD
Disgusting. Inexcusable. Unethical. Immoral. Unconscionable. And WRONG.
Yep, that's "The Chicago Way."
O/T -- Don't know if anyone watched the Lightfoot/Preckwinkle forum on NBC5 on Thursday. (It can be seen here: https://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/watch-lightfoot-preckwinkle-chicago-mayor-debate-506854321.html)
When asked by Carol Marin asked if the city needed to hire more police officers to battle the skyrocketing crime, both of them answered "No."
See above.
This is disgusting. Please tell me that there will be a huge lawsuit against the city and pension board
Anonymous said...
To all of the police officers who voted for Mccarthy for mayor. How do you feel about him now? Now go out there and get me some activity.
3/09/2019 01:10:00 AM
wasted votes for loco mcarthy,vallas,joyce..now, don't be dumass, need to vote for lesser of 2 evils..lightfoot
There's too much fraud to be able to identify legit cases. There are people ducking work while assigned to the mail room, as secretaries in HQ and every front office, as building security at loading docks and parking lots, and any number of other cush limited duty spots. Full duty officers should not hold those positions unless it takes some special skill set to perform the task, and a particular officer possesses the needed skill. Every one of those spots should be filled with sworn members on limited or convalescent duty and all the full duty members put back into full duty spots. PTSD is treatable and people are fully functioning and capable of performing many of the traits of their duty. Many need the work to heal, and many need to be forced to work instead of becoming lazy and becoming used to the idea of free money. Too many fakers, too many people gaming the system, too many people looking for the easy street, and that all has to get put to rest. They have to find truly professional and disassociated physicians to make credible decisions and take these decisions out of the hands of the corrupt and connected. Once we are able to get the medical and disability under control and remove the scammers off the system, those who truly need or have earned it can safely and legitimately use it.
So where is FLOP on this ? No recognition of PTSD, wonder how many of those flat ass decision makers have ever been awakened by their wife holding them down while they were flailing their arms and screaming in the middle of the night 6 years after retiring, reliving fighting arrestees in your sleep or hearing a news story about some teen or child homicide brings back the sickening sight of an 11 year old shot dead in a park that you played in some 30 years prior. They gome home after their 9-5 every weekend and holiday off, sleep and eat regular hours, and I could go on but I wonder just what they think we do our see or feel on this job, or why Police suicide is so high, alcoholism, divorce. domestic violence, it's all our fault according to them.
Remember those two cops failed to find a gun and transported the arrestee in an unmarked with no cage. What if they got all the way to the station and this arrestee actually killed someone? Take your separation and move on!
Anonymous said...
"Weeks later, still raw from the pension board’s action, Warner learned even more devastating news. While he was on disability, the department moved to fire him because a search of the suspect had failed to find the gun."
And, lets not forget, they failed to seatbelt the suspect in the back of the squad car!
3/09/2019 04:38:00 AM
Thought the wagon/van was for prisoner transports?
Anonymous said...
I don’t know anything about this particular case. What I do know is that PTSD in law enforcement is very real. EVERY mental health professional knows there is no possible way a person can deal with the horrors brought down upon you every single day for 20 or 30 years, and this job not have a devastating psychological effect.
3/09/2019 07:07:00 AM
There's an entire narrative out there that says Police
can't/shouldn't be able to plead PTSD because "they aren't military."
Anonymous said...
"Can you see Audy Murphy collect all his awards then be court martial for some silly allegation?"
3/09/2019 06:59:00 AM
Well now not so fast!
Give the joyously ignorant downtown deadheads
a chance to do a Wiki search on who in hell this
Audy Murphy guy is...
Anonymous said...
Most experts agree that most police officers have PTSD to some degree depending on how much they have seen / done (which means the CPD clouted have no PTSD, but I digress). That being said, was he so disabled that he couldn't even answer a phone at HQ or maybe work in the mail room away from all citizens and police work?
As for Gerry McCarthy, he is a scumbag of the highest order and this Department and city SUCK!
3/09/2019 08:48:00 AM
The department had been blowing up all the light duty spots
to force disability and medical retirements.
Know a couple of Coppers who were forced off the job
because they were medically unsuited for field duties.
Danger to themselves and other officers.
But they still were able to do inside type stuff.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Know this. I work in 018. This guy is pissed off at the CPD for not being a merit pick for detective. He was told he was getting fired because he and his partner were cocktailing prior to the shooting. Yea, he took a round into his vest but it never went into him. When told he was getting 30 days+ his partner retired early.
Now this guy works as an armed security driver for the movies here and is with the teamsters. BW has been a self-serving fraud since he came on the job. We all know it but kudos to him for pulling a fast one on the media and those coppers who do not know his history.
He no more has PTSD than the man on the moon.
3/09/2019 06:47:00 AM
If he can work armed security for the movies than he can work a Beat car.
Anonymous said...
3/09/2019 12:48:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I don’t know anything about this case but I do know there is a major problem with the fraud in the disability claims. So this guy can’t even answer a phone or work at some desk? Is he able to drive his car? Run erronds, cut grass/yard work, travel etc.? There’s a function for him somewhere on the department.
3/09/2019 12:49:00 AM
How about the ones on disability who live out of Chicago and out of state? Why?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I was near there when that happened. Chicago and Franklin. The homeless piss bum easily hid the gun, multiple pairs of pants, shirts jackets. Easy to miss a small gun in all that padding without stripping the flea bagged body lice infested shithead. I used to work with Warner's partner in 014 back when there was 100 homicides a year in 014. Old guy has since retired, he didn't have to go through that shit. And OUR rep votes against the guy? Bullshit! Where is his FOP attorney? That cop needs help or we'll have another suicide. No way I'll ever vote for that nitwit for the pension board again. He should be fighting and screaming for Officer Warner, not voting to give it to him up the bum!
Our rep, the Sgt rep and the Lts rep all voted against him. Sure glad we have 4 sworn officers representing and looking out for us. Lappe votes for him
Totally agree. If you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen. This job ain’t for everyone, hence the weak turning to booze and other things to self soothe. But I blame the city and department for not weeding out the Sally’s in the application process. Some - A LOT of people actually should have never made it past the initial psych test let alone the follow up with the shrink. Sorry to hear you can’t sleep well and tip the bottle a little too much, but you’re 7 x 3, so figure it out one way or the other. And while you’re doing that you can work a desk or other admin spot and keep kicking into to pension that guys like me who did 30+ years in the ghettos (4 shootings, 2 fatal, dead babies, people burned alive trapped in a bldg while I heard them scream as they cooked to death, etc etc) contributed to without complaining. God speed brother, but suck it up and handle your business. It CAN be done without all the drama attached to it.
They said he couldn’t go back to work because he was too angry with the city and CPD. Shrink testified he did not have PTSD anymore, and the other one said he was too angry
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Plenty of spot for the needy
HQ front desk
Phone guy for IAD since they never seem to be in the office.
311 callback with all the damaged toys
Plenty of spots only if you were a clouted merit.
3/09/2019 09:17:00 AM
You are right about the spots, but they didn’t offer the spots
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Is it still policy that light /limited duty can only used only once during. your career, and if you can’t effect an arrest you have to quit, retire, or go on disability?
3/09/2019 07:55:00 AM
Not true anymore. Especially the part of not making an arrest
They should rid HQ of all the full duty PO's...[ I mean armed secretary ]
and put our disabled officers in those spots. I can understand if they Limited / Light duty are at HQ , or possess a skill (Not the good on the knees skill either).
There are more full duty officers now in administrative spots at HQ than ever before. Have you ever tried to park there ?
Hope the new Mayor looks into this and does what needs to be done !! Put them on the streets.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
For all you idiots supporting Lightfoot, let this be a big heads up to you, she supports this kind of shit.
"When told that it was Warner’s partner who actually missed the gun, McCarthy said it probably would not have changed his decision because partners are “culpable” for each other."
3/09/2019 09:49:00 AM
What do you think Prickwinkle would do? She is no friend of the police.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
here is my question: who were the elected department members when this case was voted on? how did they voted and who are they? if anyone knows please let us know
3/09/2019 09:01:00 AM
The vote was 6-1 with 3 of our trustees, Wodnicki, Wright and Beyna voting against Warner along with 3 city representatives. Mike Lappe was the only one that supported him and voted that way
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Regarding that incident from long ago in the 010th District, both officers weren't killed. One officer did survive that shooting, as I recall.
3/09/2019 05:49:00 AM
You are correct.
Both were shot but one did survive and the other was killed
He should have kept drinking so he'd have something in his mouth instead of blabbing away hoping someone would get him a payday. Just like McCarthy who couldn't keep his trap shut.Warner loved to here himself talk. If he would have flown under the radar we wouldn't be hearing about this.Own worst enemy as they say.Been scam'n with the ex for awhile. I believe the pension board did some investigation and learned more that he wanted. Goof of goofs.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Know this. I work in 018. This guy is pissed off at the CPD for not being a merit pick for detective. He was told he was getting fired because he and his partner were cocktailing prior to the shooting. Yea, he took a round into his vest but it never went into him. When told he was getting 30 days+ his partner retired early.
Now this guy works as an armed security driver for the movies here and is with the teamsters. BW has been a self-serving fraud since he came on the job. We all know it but kudos to him for pulling a fast one on the media and those coppers who do not know his history.
He no more has PTSD than the man on the moon.
3/09/2019 06:47:00 AM
On disability from CPD for PTSD and he’s an armed driver for Teamsters?
Things that make you go hmmmmm....
Anonymous said...
Know this. I work in 018. This guy is pissed off at the CPD for not being a merit pick for detective. He was told he was getting fired because he and his partner were cocktailing prior to the shooting. Yea, he took a round into his vest but it never went into him. When told he was getting 30 days+ his partner retired early.
Now this guy works as an armed security driver for the movies here and is with the teamsters. BW has been a self-serving fraud since he came on the job. We all know it but kudos to him for pulling a fast one on the media and those coppers who do not know his history.
He no more has PTSD than the man on the moon.
3/09/2019 06:47:00 AM
They handcuffed the piss bum in the front and not behind his back, didn't want any of his stank on their freshly pressed skinny jeans...
I don't understand the sympathy for this loser. Anyone who worked with him knew him to be an unsafe stroke...boo fucking who
The vote was 6-1. Lappe voted to let him keep the pension.
Go talk to a Ww2 vet or vietnam vet about PTSD and they will beat the fuck out of you. Go work at walmart this job ain't for everyone.
Sorry your 50 and can retire, pay your medical like myself, who worked over 30 years and doesn’t get medical because I didn’t reach FOP magical 55 and only 20 years. No reason you can’t work 311. Welcome to CPD.
If he can work armed security for the movies than he can work a Beat car.
Didn’t think you can be armed if on disability or work in a police related job
Always more to the story......
Know this. I work in 018. This guy is pissed off at the CPD for not being a merit pick for detective. He was told he was getting fired because he and his partner were cocktailing prior to the shooting. Yea, he took a round into his vest but it never went into him. When told he was getting 30 days+ his partner retired early.
Now this guy works as an armed security driver for the movies here and is with the teamsters. BW has been a self-serving fraud since he came on the job. We all know it but kudos to him for pulling a fast one on the media and those coppers who do not know his history.
He no more has PTSD than the man on the moon.
3/09/2019 06:47:00 AM
They handcuffed the piss bum in the front and not behind his back, didn't want any of his stank on their freshly pressed skinny jeans...
3/09/2019 06:58:00 PM
He wasn't wearing his vest. He never did.
This is the New Chicago Police Department.
I like where the Superintendent said you are culpable for your partner’s searching! If the officer died who didn’t search and the officer who searched lived. Could the searching officer be changed with a crime for letting the criminal keep his gun that he was concealing. This is getting to be a high stakes job! I want to finish out my time 99 so I’m not culpable for anyone but me! This job totally blows!
This is the most ridiculous logic ever and anyone believing it is a fool. Get one thing straight. The asshole died because he had an illegal gun and shot two police officers. That’s why, not because they missed a gun.
6 to 1 he may not be the white knight you all think he is. Pick a fight you can win for someone worst fighting for.
Everyone is leaving as soon as they can, pension board has no choice but to crack down on scammers .
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Don't car chase,don't foot chase,don't stop anyone,don't pull out your firearm, just answer the radio and go to your calls. Anything more than that and your soft.
That's all well and good, but what about the it when/if trouble comes to you?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Totally agree. If you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen. This job ain’t for everyone, hence the weak turning to booze and other things to self soothe. But I blame the city and department for not weeding out the Sally’s in the application process. Some - A LOT of people actually should have never made it past the initial psych test let alone the follow up with the shrink. Sorry to hear you can’t sleep well and tip the bottle a little too much, but you’re 7 x 3, so figure it out one way or the other. And while you’re doing that you can work a desk or other admin spot and keep kicking into to pension that guys like me who did 30+ years in the ghettos (4 shootings, 2 fatal, dead babies, people burned alive trapped in a bldg while I heard them scream as they cooked to death, etc etc) contributed to without complaining. God speed brother, but suck it up and handle your business. It CAN be done without all the drama attached to it.
How do you handle it ? Church, EAP, talk to a counselor?
Maybe if he unloaded 16 shots this would have been different.
OT....Quota's in Area Central
This cop loses his benefits and support by the pension board including the police officer elected one, but the pedophile sergeant in the news last few months gets approved to buy pension time and he walks out with with a smirk on his face. If your politically connected and have friends in power the city and pension will be on their knees for you, otherwise you are thrown to the ground and stomped upon. Disgraceful
He was never shot. The round did not penetrate his skin. The round was recovered in the driver seat. This guy was struck by a spring in the seat that caused a small bruised to his back. The doctors at Northwestern had difficulty finding his "wound."That is a fact that can't be disputed. In fact this guy caught a flight to Miami the same night of the shooting. Everybody in 018 knows he's on BS.
They said he couldn’t go back to work because he was too angry with the city and CPD. Shrink testified he did not have PTSD anymore, and the other one said he was too angry
Too angry to work? Well boo-fuckin’-hoo. I’m angry with a lot of things on this job. Angry with a lot of things with this shithole city. Angry in general.
Guess what?
I’m a big boy who can control my emotions, manage my stress and go about the daily grind without lame excuses to preclude me from working.
Too angry, huh???
PPPPFFFFFTTTTTTTT!!!
I thought you have to be able to effect an arrest even on light duty. If your disabled and can’t effect an arrest then how can they put you light duty? Did things change since I retired.
He's 52 years old and can start collecting his pension. Fuck em! Maybe gun toting, armed driver gig has insurance!
He's a clown and a scammer anyway!
Absolutely fucking sickening! And if they peeled off his 5 shirts and 2 pairs of pants IPRA/COPA would beef that the officers conducted a totally intrusive strip search they were not entitled to perform without a warrant. Anyone remember the two tact officers in the 010th district that were shot by an arrestee in their back seat? Happened in the late 80’s or early 90’s if I remember correctly. The bad guy gets arrested, transported, processed and put in lock up. He wants to help himself and says he has info on a drug house. The officers take him out of lockup so he can show them the house. He’s handcuffed and put in back of tact car. He pulls the gun he had on him the whole time and kills both officers in the car. Both officers were rightly given full honors funerals and their stars placed in the honored star case at 35th Street. How is this any different?
3/09/2019 02:34:00 AM
You really need to review what happened during that incident and get your facts straight. It occurred on 07-Jan-1991 if that will assist you in your education.
3/09/2019 07:07:00 AM
He said early 90’s. What’s with the attitude?
Anonymous said...
wow. fucking wow. fail to find a gun and you're fired now? But, as has been said, shooting an unarmed mentally disabled kid from 30 feet away and all is OK? Fuck this department.
3/09/2019 09:15:00 AM
Why wasn't he charged but Van Dyke goes to jail for shooting someone with a knife in hand?
Seems like a fraud case finally caught up to the smooth talking playboy. BW is fully capable of working light duty, only it would interfere with his drinking and womanizing. Truth be told!
Not a copper here, but CPD should supply all officers with metal detectors. The kind they have at the airport security check points so you guys can scan all your prisoners. Should be standard equipment for all officers making arrests.
Ah...the devil is always in the details.
So this guy can’t even answer a phone or work at some desk? Is he able to drive his car? Run erronds, cut grass/yard work, travel etc.? There’s a function for him somewhere on the department.
No, there isn't a spot for him in the Department because they are taken up by short time clouted b1tches riding a dsk in a made up spot.
So an officer wounded in the line of duty gets kicked to the scrap pile while someone with a phone call rides the gravy train.
The department does need someone to be following up on situations as such. Look into this type of crap when an officer is put in for an award and is also given a CR number for the same incident. There is no cross checking done and it does make the department look stupid and liable.
As far as this particular incident, this cop should not receive disability pay. He is disrespecting all working cops who do have PTSD from past military experience, yet they work through their issues so that they can continue to be good police officers.
I guess the old Department mail cars are all civilian now? Old retired cop
Its time for CPD or individual officers to buy metel detector wands for arrestees so that they can be wanded after their in cuffs on the street.
To all cpd officers , write a to from to your district commander requesting that metal detector wands be available and in working condition as per lock-up procedures. After a reasonable amount of time has passed, file a safety grievance, you could save someone's life.
Anonymous said...
They said he couldn’t go back to work because he was too angry with the city and CPD. Shrink testified he did not have PTSD anymore, and the other one said he was too angry
Too angry to work? Well boo-fuckin’-hoo. I’m angry with a lot of things on this job. Angry with a lot of things with this shithole city. Angry in general.
Think you misunderstood the comment. He didn’t say that. The shrink said he was below the threshold for PTSD, then the pension board psychiatrist said he was too angry at the city to be allowed to go back.
Anonymous said...
So this guy can’t even answer a phone or work at some desk? Is he able to drive his car? Run erronds, cut grass/yard work, travel etc.? There’s a function for him somewhere on the department.
No, there isn't a spot for him in the Department because they are taken up by short time clouted b1tches riding a dsk in a made up spot.
So an officer wounded in the line of duty gets kicked to the scrap pile while someone with a phone call rides the gravy train.
YES
Same old story! Like anything is gonna change other then another post on scc! Now go get me an ISR!
Anonymous said...
Not a copper here, but CPD should supply all officers with metal detectors. The kind they have at the airport security check points so you guys can scan all your prisoners. Should be standard equipment for all officers making arrests.
3/10/2019 08:52:00 AM
This is actually a very good idea. I’m retired and never worked the lockup but I think I remember seeing these used in lockup. Maybe not but no matter. How much can these things cost? Would they be sensitive enough to work with someone with 5 layers of clothes on? If so it’s a no brainer imo.
Anonymous said...
I was near there when that happened. Chicago and Franklin. The homeless piss bum easily hid the gun, multiple pairs of pants, shirts jackets. Easy to miss a small gun in all that padding without stripping the flea bagged body lice infested shithead. I used to work with Warner's partner in 014 back when there was 100 homicides a year in 014. Old guy has since retired, he didn't have to go through that shit. And OUR rep votes against the guy? Bullshit! Where is his FOP attorney? That cop needs help or we'll have another suicide. No way I'll ever vote for that nitwit for the pension board again. He should be fighting and screaming for Officer Warner, not voting to give it to him up the bum!
3/09/2019 11:22:00 AM
There is no excuse for missing a gun. You take every piece of clothing off all persons that you are putting in your car. You go thru every piece of clothing systematically. You wear gloves. You take your time. You document everything you did and why you did it. If you are afraid of fleas, get off this job.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Its time for CPD or individual officers to buy metel detector wands for arrestees so that they can be wanded after their in cuffs on the street.
3/10/2019 12:25:00 PM
You can get a basic one for around $50
He's over 50 with more than 20yrs of service, so he's eligible for a regular police pension either way. That is assuming he loses the court fight to regain his disability pension, which I think he will win.
The pension board never should have awarded him a disability for ptsd to begin with. That is a slippery slope that every single officer could eventually claim. Disability pensions should never be given for mental reasons, because how do you quantify somebody's alleged stress? It's not possible and is ripe for abuse.
On a side note, why the fuck would anybody feel bad for killing somebody that was trying to kill them? Would you feel better if the shithead would of succeeded? It's policing in the ghetto, so what did all these morons expect when they took the job?
3/09/2019 11:22:00 AM
There is no excuse for missing a gun. You take every piece of clothing off all persons that you are putting in your car. You go thru every piece of clothing systematically. You wear gloves. You take your time. You document everything you did and why you did it. If you are afraid of fleas, get off this job.
Okay ROBOCOP
This is probably coming from a desk jockey that never worked the street in his or her entire career, fuck off and keep surfing the net you fucken clout heavy piece off shit.
There is no excuse for missing a gun. You take every piece of clothing off all persons that you are putting in your car. You go thru every piece of clothing systematically. You wear gloves. You take your time. You document everything you did and why you did it. If you are afraid of fleas, get off this job.
Okay ROBOCOP
This is probably coming from a desk jockey that never worked the street in his or her entire career, fuck off and keep surfing the net you fucken clout heavy piece off shit.
3/11/2019 02:40:00 AM
I agree or maybe an instructor from the academy. They evidently don’t understand how the street works
more to this story...and timely addressing of his performance and behavior issues BEFORE the shooting could have made a difference---but this stupid dept does not fire recruits , or mentor - or even use its own evaluation and discipline codes.
nonymous said...
There is no excuse for missing a gun. You take every piece of clothing off all persons that you are putting in your car. You go thru every piece of clothing systematically. You wear gloves. You take your time. You document everything you did and why you did it. If you are afraid of fleas, get off this job.
Okay ROBOCOP
This is probably coming from a desk jockey that never worked the street in his or her entire career, fuck off and keep surfing the net you fucken clout heavy piece off shit.
3/11/2019 02:40:00 AM
I agree or maybe an instructor from the academy. They evidently don’t understand how the street works
3/11/2019 11:30:00 AM
Please elaborate how the street works, because we are all stupid. What is wrong with thoroughly searching a person before you put them in your car? If they wear layers of clothing, you remove layers of clothing and go thru them. No one meant getting a person naked on the street. If you cannot be smart in figuring out a way to thoroughly search a bad guy before putting him in your car, then you may be a dead man.
Anonymous said...
There is no excuse for missing a gun. You take every piece of clothing off all persons that you are putting in your car. You go thru every piece of clothing systematically. You wear gloves. You take your time. You document everything you did and why you did it. If you are afraid of fleas, get off this job.
Okay ROBOCOP
This is probably coming from a desk jockey that never worked the street in his or her entire career, fuck off and keep surfing the net you fucken clout heavy piece off shit.
3/11/2019 02:40:00 AM
I agree or maybe an instructor from the academy. They evidently don’t understand how the street works
3/11/2019 11:30:00 AM
So not thoroughly searching a guy before getting in your squad car is the right way? Isn't that why Warner is the subject of this post - missing a gun by not properly searching a guy and putting him in his car?
Okay ROBOCOP
This is probably coming from a desk jockey that never worked the street in his or her entire career, fuck off and keep surfing the net you fucken clout heavy piece off shit.
3/11/2019 02:40:00 AM
I agree or maybe an instructor from the academy. They evidently don’t understand how the street works
3/11/2019 11:30:00 AM
Isn't this why Warner is in this situation he is now? For not properly searching the clothing of a guy before putting him in the car?
I'll preface this by saying I am a Desert Storm veteran with two tours in Iraq, injured in field, losing 3 when our Humvee was blown up by a roadside bomb.
I have PTSD, I know it and I deal with it. I don't deal with it by drinking to excess (as admitted by Warner), by crying about how I don't know how I'll react on the street (as admitted by Warner), and by complaining that my benefits are being taken away because I won't go back on the job (as admitted by Warner). I enlisted in the Army of my own accord, as Warner did with the CPD, knowing what the risks were and agreeing to take those on. In jobs like this you don't only get to bask in the good days, you have to take the bad ones, too. They are part of what you are getting into when you decide to make the Army, or the CPD, your chosen line of work.
I get it, people need help with PTSD, thousands of veterans deal with it on a daily basis; if something or someone doesn't work for you, you have to keep looking until you find someone or something (healthy) that does. Drinking isn't going to be your answer. Neither is going to the media every time you get an answer you don't want.
Take a step out of the spotlight and take care of yourself. Once you get yourself together, you can step up to help other people.
Go ahead and say I don't know what I'm talking about because I might be a "desk jockey" or that I haven't been on the streets of Chicago but remember: I did fight on the streets of Iraq to ensure the freedom you have to say that. You're welcome.
Total BS!
This entire dept and this suitable city are a ducking joke!!!
It's always the Policemens fault!!!!
Isn't this why Warner is in this situation he is now? For not properly searching the clothing of a guy before putting him in the car?
3/11/2019 08:57:00 P
His partner searched him. A normal practice
Guns are missed. It's messed up and unfortunate but it happens. We are all human on this job and in the winter the layers that these shitheads have on are endless. It's not something that should be brushed off but an honest mistake like that doesn't instantly erase years of good honest work and make a guy a bad cop--nor should it be grounds for termination. I'm speaking more in general than I am about Warner. The reality is you cannot search someone on the street the way you once could. The block can and has emptied out on myself and others if they see you are doing anything that resembles old school police work(i.e tossing a car, peeling back layers, stripping etc.). Even further troubling is that with these BS ISR's, you have to make sure your protective patdown was JUST THAT and that alone! I know good coppers who have made the mistake of missing a small pistol concealed somewhere deep within layers of disgusting clothing. The pistol in these cases was found in lock-up when the same coppers did the type of search they WISHED they could have done on the street. The guilt and apologies that came from them for putting themselves but more importantly other officers in danger was real. I love the metal detectors idea, it hadn't occurred to me that this was an option. We should push that, it would make us safer.
Total BS!
This entire dept and this shitty city are a fucking joke!!!
It's always the Policemens fault!!!!
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