Social Security Fairness
PO Catanraza has taken it upon himself to pick up where others have left off (or haven't begun):
He writes:
- There are petition books at every district desk. The bill is currently in the Ways and Means Committee for debate. I am trying to get 25,000 signatures by the end of March to stop on Lipinski and Danny Davis' desk since they are on the committee. The FOP dragged their feet on this on all levels so I put it together myself and unit [reps] are pushing it at the districts. Please consider posting this so any municipal workers, active or retired, will know to stop in at any district to sign it.
It's an uphill battle, but it's got to start somewhere. Find it and sign it.
Labels: general
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
126 Comments:
FOP totally useless. They should be ashamed.
Thank God someone is doing this! What the fuck FOP why couldn’t you do this and more? You have the money. Very disappointed right now Kevin. This is simple. Also, why don’t we have a contract after nearly two years? Now we’re getting a whole new mayor and administration. This could take another 2-3 years. Could be 4-5 years without a contract. Start fighting. Start being a thorn in their side. File for arbitration now. You know that’s where it’s going anyway. File for reasons that the city has been ignoring us. 4 years without a contract is absurd.
Kevin Graham is becoming a disappointment. What about our contract??? How many more years are you going to let city hall stroke us?
Who wouldn’t sign! I’m in!
It’s sad that FOP doesn’t fight for us or themselves for that matter. This would benefit them also. Hows our contract looking? How many more years are we going to wait now with the new regime?
one thing at a time, is our pension funded?????
Don’t forget the Fire Houses in the City.
And also hit the suburban PDs and Fire Houses.
Every signature counts.
You go JCat!
Great job john
I signed.
I came on the job at 35 yoa, worked real jobs before... have 40 quarters.
I Will piss on rostenkowskis grave before I die.
Fuck that piece of shit.
I hope I meet him in hell.
John, figure something out so retirees that live out of state can sign. There are many of us that this would positively affect. Thanks for your efforts...from the po who turned you on to the doggie spa for your puppy.
So can everyone (Spouse/s-Children) affected by this bill be a signatory on the petition? Is FIRE and other City Departments on board as well? How all the guys all over the country say in AZ, AR and FL that have huge groups.
So can everyone (Spouse/s-Children) affected by this bill be a signatory on the petition? Is FIRE and other City Departments on board as well? How about all the guys all over the country say in AZ, AR and FL that have huge groups.
National FOP dropped the ball on this. Thank you for picking up the leg work on their failed job.
Retired .38 spl +P
You have to have 30 years of substantial earnings (above the minimum they set each year)to get 100% of your eligible payout. Not to mention that an old timer like me still has to wait until 66 years old and 2 months to collect full social security. Compare what you'll get from them to what you get from the city and you can go sit down and shut up about how our pension doesn't pay us enough. Let me warn those that aren't or haven't been paying attention. 1) Our pension is in trouble. 2) Social Security is in trouble. 3) These communists you're voting for are going to look at your deferred comp savings or IRA's and decide that if you saved too much, they will want that privately held money and will take it. Oh, they'll give you some sort of government backed annuity but rest assured, they want the trillions of dollars we've saved to fund their health care and college tuition schemes. Plus, they'll probably means test Social Security even more so if you were industrious, saved money and did without to save it, they'll say you have too much and deny you social security.
If you think I'm crying wolf, just look at what the left has done to the economies of EVERY COUNTRY they've ever run. Don't bring up the Scandinavian countries, their socialism is based on high individual taxes and some of the lowest corporate taxes in the world and with all the new immigration they've got, the payouts are in trouble. Too many people drinking the water and not enough carrying it now.
"Anonymous Anonymous said...
You have to have 30 years of substantial earnings (above the minimum they set each year)to get 100% of your eligible payout. Not to mention that an old timer like me still has to wait until 66 years old and 2 months to collect full social security. Compare what you'll get from them to what you get from the city and you can go sit down and shut up about how our pension doesn't pay us enough. Let me warn those that aren't or haven't been paying attention. 1) Our pension is in trouble. 2) Social Security is in trouble. 3) These communists you're voting for are going to look at your deferred comp savings or IRA's and decide that if you saved too much, they will want that privately held money and will take it. Oh, they'll give you some sort of government backed annuity but rest assured, they want the trillions of dollars we've saved to fund their health care and college tuition schemes. Plus, they'll probably means test Social Security even more so if you were industrious, saved money and did without to save it, they'll say you have too much and deny you social security.
If you think I'm crying wolf, just look at what the left has done to the economies of EVERY COUNTRY they've ever run. Don't bring up the Scandinavian countries, their socialism is based on high individual taxes and some of the lowest corporate taxes in the world and with all the new immigration they've got, the payouts are in trouble. Too many people drinking the water and not enough carrying it now.
3/04/2019 03:00:00 AM"
Can't disagree with anything you stated. Just remember, when things get real bad, the politicians will just change the rules. You can bank on that...
Trump and the conservatives love the police so I'm sure they'll take care of this....lmao
John Catanzara is EXACTLY what our FOP needs. He has backbone and is not going to back down to the corrupt forces of the soon to be 4th city. Thank you Officer Catanzara for all that you do, and good luck to you in your future endeavors.👍🏻
It's our fight. No one else cares about what we lost.
Thanks Johnny Boy !
Kevin Graham is becoming a disappointment. What about our contract??? How many more years are you going to let city hall stroke us?
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Grahm Crackers became a typical corrupt FOP flunky. Him and his regime are enjoying their perks and could give two shits about anyone but themselves. They do nothing about pension preservation or this bullshit outdated residency rule.
The politicians will give us this, because the ultimate end game is to rid the city/state’s responsibility for pension liability and get all employees into 401k. My .02!
Most of us haven't put anything into SS to get much of anything back. For those at the end of their career or retired this won't do shit because they don't have enough quarters.
Welcome to Walmart! Because you're gonna be working until you die once either of the two shitheads on the ballot bankrupt the city. First pensions to go are going to be ours, because we're not teachers and our pension stands alone.
There's a playbook on how to bankrupt a city, we learned from Detroit. They started the plan years ago by ridding the city of taxpayers and vilifying police. They've made the city unlivable and they're created the perfect scenario for a bankruptcy.
That's why they made up laws to force funding of the pension in the first place. So they can no claim bankruptcy.
Bet on it. And Welcome to Walmart! Welcome to slavery old geezer.
It's not likely to pass. Rostenkowski got the currrnt system in place, through a bipartisan effort to stave off social security's demise. Social Security is in murch worse shape now, than it was then. Personally I'm trying to gain credits by working a retirement gig. Hoping I'll be able to hang on till age 70.
Can Non Police officers sign the petition?
Not sure of FOP union agreement or arbitration agreement but for our union it goes like this. Party A sends party B new agreement request, party B has 90 days to respond. Counter offer made to party A and now they have 90 days to respond. This happens every time there is even a small change in wording. In many cases it's the company ie city, that wants the language to remain vague as to facilitate disputes after the agreement is completed. So yeah it's a long process.
Worthless FLOP should have done this long ago. Bless you all who are still trying. Everyone get out and sign the petition. This Rape by Rostenkowski was one of the most UnConstitutional Acts I’ve seen in my life. Someone please tell me where he is buried so I can go there and piss and shit on him frequently. And always remember who took/stole-illegally, all this money of yours from you for all these years..... A Democrat. I hope this bastard is burning in Hell to this Day.
Yes, the Communistocrat Democrats will steal every penny you and your familiy have saved. They are tools of Satan, the Great Deceiver. You have already seen what they have done, every time they seize power. Quit electing these bastards already. They are the Spawn of Satan and will take all that the Good Lord has blessed you with. Now they are even taking your babies.
All retirees need this. Can a mailed in Affidavit be issued to handicapped and Out of State Retirees who want to sign, or can a website be made, to sign an online Petition ? Please find a way. God Bless All who are trying.
It really is be that FOP is leaving the contract evidently for the new mayoral administration. This “consent decree” took effect 3/1/19. Why didn’t our new contract take effect at the same time? I realize they want all kinds of give backs on discipline issues, but they’re going to ask for them now and they’re going to ask for them later. It would be nice to get a few extra bucks in my check to pay the 30% increase in my property taxes. We really need to clean house on this FOP board. These old timers are too comfortable and evidently don’t give a shit besides steak dinners and freebies with all of professional vendors.
What’s your rationale for this again? If you get a pension why do you need social security? Seems like a windfall. I’m not being a smart ass but legitimately asking why I should support this? Thanks
Long overdue.
With a new “progressive” mayor along with “progressive” Alderman in the upcoming newly elected city council we can find ourselves very disappointed in our next contract. I know we have arditration but how does this consent decree affect the arbitors ability to make decisions? But hey I’m sure we’ll come out with everything we want and more. Good job negotiating team.
3/04/2019 03:00:00 AM
Too many people drinking the water and not enough carrying it now.
Beautifully stated, says it all!
FYI. When I retired from the CPD many years ago, with 80 quarters paid into SS, I was only granted benefits of 50% of what I had earned. I was told you need 30 years of uninterrupted payments to obtain full benefits, although, you only need 40 quarters to obtain full benefits. My wife and I will sign the petition and thank Officer Catanraza for his valant effort and hope he runs for FOP President.
'Who doesn't want to sign the Petition'?
This needs to be done nation wide. There are a lot of retired coppers out there. My social security was reduced by over 40 %
Why don't you get some of these forms out to us municipal, county and state works so we can help out?
The S.S. you earned working second jobs etc. was basically cut in half if collecting a police pension thanks to that P.O.S. Rostenkowski. But if the pension goes defunct you should be able to collect 100% of your S.S. is what the Democratics will feed you to make up for it. I wonder how many pensions Rostenkowski collected.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You have to have 30 years of substantial earnings (above the minimum they set each year)to get 100% of your eligible payout. Not to mention that an old timer like me still has to wait until 66 years old and 2 months to collect full social security. Compare what you'll get from them to what you get from the city and you can go sit down and shut up about how our pension doesn't pay us enough. Let me warn those that aren't or haven't been paying attention. 1) Our pension is in trouble. 2) Social Security is in trouble. 3) These communists you're voting for are going to look at your deferred comp savings or IRA's and decide that if you saved too much, they will want that privately held money and will take it. Oh, they'll give you some sort of government backed annuity but rest assured, they want the trillions of dollars we've saved to fund their health care and college tuition schemes. Plus, they'll probably means test Social Security even more so if you were industrious, saved money and did without to save it, they'll say you have too much and deny you social security.
If you think I'm crying wolf, just look at what the left has done to the economies of EVERY COUNTRY they've ever run. Don't bring up the Scandinavian countries, their socialism is based on high individual taxes and some of the lowest corporate taxes in the world and with all the new immigration they've got, the payouts are in trouble. Too many people drinking the water and not enough carrying it now.
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Don't bring up the Scandinavian countries because:
#1 they are indeed welfare countries, however
#2 they are NOT socialist countries, their economies are market-based
FOP sucks and should be gotten rid of. Get Teamsters or anything else.
Sign the book!
Nice sentiment, however, social security is broke too.
Misinformation about FOP on this.
I was part of FOP back then and we worked hard to fight this.
John Cat knows this. It's a political stunt so he can run for FOP president.
Oh ya right. Cops won't even vote for other police. Drop those off at a firehouse. They know how to get things done.
Anonymous said...
Thank God someone is doing this! What the fuck FOP why couldn’t you do this and more? You have the money. Very disappointed right now Kevin. This is simple. Also, why don’t we have a contract after nearly two years? Now we’re getting a whole new mayor and administration. This could take another 2-3 years. Could be 4-5 years without a contract. Start fighting. Start being a thorn in their side. File for arbitration now. You know that’s where it’s going anyway. File for reasons that the city has been ignoring us. 4 years without a contract is absurd.
3/04/2019 12:22:00 AM
Exactly! Let’s go FOP! We know how contract negotiations will go with either mayor(Preckwinkle the worst option)More dragging their feet. More blowing us off. Didn’t Rahm’s administrators cancel meetings, make themselves unavailable, and ignore us? Isn’t that how once again we got to nearly 2 years without a contract. Can’t we file for arbitration based on this? Just because Rahm decided not to run again is not a reason to blow us off. Possibly 4 years without a contract is ridiculous, unfair and unacceptable! At the very least how about a statement on your plan? Can you say something? We know what we’re getting. We only have two choices for mayor. There’s no secret here.
Hopefully Catanraza runs for FOP. Sounds like a fighter. FOP should have been doing this. Kinda curious why they wouldn’t. Strange
For the retirees out of state, I am currently working on getting this same petition out across the country to cities who have members on the ways and means committee. I will update soon.. I am reaching out to police and Firehouses in those Congressional districts for help.
Locally they will be at select Firehouses across the city at the end of this week. They will also be at all 4 branches of the credit union by Tues afternoon.
John Catanzara 008
Thanks SCC for getting the word out. Just trying to put more EARNED dollars in our pockets.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Don’t forget the Fire Houses in the City.
And also hit the suburban PDs and Fire Houses.
Every signature counts.
3/04/2019 01:09:00 AM
Great idea!
Are you doing the north side fire houses or south side.
John cannot do all of this by himself.
Or are you just gonna supervise from your couch?
If you think I'm crying wolf, just look at what the left has done to the economies of EVERY COUNTRY they've ever run. Don't bring up the Scandinavian countries, their socialism is based on high individual taxes and some of the lowest corporate taxes in the world and with all the new immigration they've got, the payouts are in trouble. Too many people drinking the water and not enough carrying it now.
3/04/2019 03:00:00 AM
Were you born addled or did you have to work at scarring the shit out of people without offering a choice of outcomes?
John has never been afraid to speak his mind. He’s all in and gives 100%. 95 1-A retired in suburbia.
Who's gonna reach out to ALL the RETIRED guys??? Lot of them have NO idea of the petition or HOW to participate.
Thanks
OUTSTANDING, I'm in!!!
Hey FOP, here is a suggestion, start hanging out with Catanraza. Maybe he will rub off on you clowns and you clowns will actually wake up one morning and find that your balls and spine have grown back.
Sign, sign, sign.
It’s high time to undo this Rostenkowski injustice.
I will sign, thank you!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
FOP totally useless. They should be ashamed.
3/04/2019 12:21:00 AM
This isn’t just a local issue. National FOP has to spearhead this
With Medicare paymt taken out, i clear $306.00 per mth which is B.S. thank you DannyBoy.
Sign the petition and see what happens, never know. This bill has come up for the last 25 years that I’m aware of. Never goes anywhere. I suggest everyone make sure you have enough quarters for Medicare. And the snowflakes want the government to take care of everyone. Ha.
Has the FOP filed a request or a complaint as to why State's Attorney recused herself from Smollet case. Do you really expect them to champion the Social Security WEPA it appears the teacher unions are involved in this heavily. This should be at the forefront of every national, state, or local union and bargaining unit of every union that represents public employees. It is sad you dont hear or read about these bills in your union magazine and it takes a single person to pick up the flag while the people who should be championing the cause appear to sit on the sidelines.
Thank you John, I am retired and just started collecting SS. And I will be making the trip in to a Dist. To sign the petition. Trust me when you hit 66 you will wish had signed it.
Get those Signatures
All Signatures will Count
Hopefully our Congressman will make this Happen
Or
Remember this Petition at the next Election
If you think I'm crying wolf, just look at what the left has done to the economies of EVERY COUNTRY they've ever run. Don't bring up the Scandinavian countries, their socialism is based on high individual taxes and some of the lowest corporate taxes in the world and with all the new immigration they've got, the payouts are in trouble. Too many people drinking the water and not enough carrying it now.
3/04/2019 03:00:00 AM
Slow down there Chicken Little, pension fund is better funded then it was 2 years ago. Still shitty but moving in the right direction. As far as def comp and IRA’s it would take a civil war to start before we lose that.
Can we recall Kevin and remove him from office. If you can't provide any support on this matter as well as the contract issue then you are useless. If you can't or are unable act like a FOP leader then we don't need you or want you.
OT: https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/the-state-worker/article226992009.html
Anonymous said...
one thing at a time, is our pension funded?????
3/04/2019 12:57:00 AM
Presumably you're an adult, so learn to multi-task.
John Cantazara thanks , we all enjoy your videos at CITY COUNCIL
next move is to get a referendum on ballot to reduce number of alderman to 22 or less , keep up the great work
I think only 13 states have government eorkers that don't pay into social security. 40 quarters don't mean squat except it gives you Medicare eligibility. The poster who stated that you need 30 years of substantial earnings is right on the money.
PO Catanraza for next F.O.P. President! We need someone TOUGH as nails like him....reminds me of our great President Trump! M.A.G.A.
Just a coincidence that fop elections are a year away. Im sure this wants in ala mike shields and his silly stunts. This petition should have been out years ago
Its way too late now. Kiss it goodbye .
Thanks P.O. Catanzara for taking up the mantle the union refuses to
"John, figure something out so retirees that live out of state can sign."
"How about all the guys all over the country say in AZ, AR and FL that have huge groups."
I agree with both of the above statements, how can those of us who had the good sense to flee ChiRaq for greener pastures sign??
Ever get the feeling Duty Availability is just as unfair as WEP?
Daylight House Mice don’t ever have to work the street beats, yet get full FOP benefits.
Petition that to FOP you 3rd & 1st Watchers, something to think about when you’re trudging through slop to handle bs calls.
Not sure how many out there work part time now or worked for 10+ years before coming on the job.
If you came on and haven’t ever earned a regular annual W-2 with a substantial income ...Get Busy.
If you’re consistently paying fully into SS it’s reasonable to think you’re entitled to a full SS return.
Shortshanks, Rahm, Prickwrinkle to name a few, all collect at least 3 THREE vatoius pensions.
The day we see the return of full Social Security benefits is the day we could see the demise our full pension.
Not just First Responders but all Illinois pensioners.
I believe there will be grandfather clauses in any reform proposals.
A full SS deduction now and any future retirement benefit would likely be very small return, but it would also be fodder for the Elected Dems to argue a reason to reduce pension benefits by Constitution Convention.
Entitlements for deadbeats are the only concern, that’s why we’re in the predicament now.
Sure, it’s not fair to contribute to SS throughout ones career by working 2-3 jobs and get SS chopped down (in many cases) to a maximum 38% or so when you eligible at 65.
Keep working those part time jobs and deduct the FICA, even a $500-1000 SS monthly will pay for some of the Medicare supplementals you will need one day.
Why can't we do what the punks did to Mike Shields in front of membership, can we just drag them out and install a man with pure courage that is needed and Jcat has that, that is a man that really has "testicular Fortitude," change is needed time to boot out the fop offices and install new leadership. We even have a pension that is way underfunded and the scared fop say nothing!
What is this petition exactly for? I’m not clear on the issue, can someone please explain. Thanks
They love dumping the burden of their financial illiteracy on a bigger group, ie the FedGov, so Social Security will be the excuse that the pensions don't matter.
Instead of pushing for another government promise that can only be realized by taxing everyone to death, you should really be looking for a switch from defined benefit to an individual funded account you own, like 401k or IRA. Anything else is a hope and a prayer.
I’ll be better off getting benefits from my ex-wife social security.
If this contract drags on forever Graham is a one term. Total joke
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What’s your rationale for this again? If you get a pension why do you need social security? Seems like a windfall. I’m not being a smart ass but legitimately asking why I should support this? Thanks
3/04/2019 07:26:00 AM
Because some us worked in the private sector and the government took the money out of our checks for SS with the understanding we would get some of it back in our later years. I didn’t get hired until I was 30. Put a lot of money into SS
Ah, there are 2 providions of Rostenkowski's social security reform. Windfall and offset. You don't wualify for a spousal benefit if you get a pension from Illinois.
I disagree with this. We didn't pay in enough to deserve any more than we are getting. I would concentrate your efforts on protecting our pension. The pension is what differentiates us from all other workers. It is a wonderful (and well deserved) reward. Incidentally, there is absolutely no chance that they are going to change this (WEP). I don't understand why you would want to tilt at windmills. Focus on the pension.
Misinformation about FOP on this.
I was part of FOP back then and we worked hard to fight this.
John Cat knows this. It's a political stunt so he can run for FOP president.
3/04/2019 08:46:00 AM
This was done in the 90's......So 25 years ago John was there when you fought so hard? What have you done since? Let me guess..gone FETAL or sucked up to the DEMOCRAT PARTY, Donated our PAC money to Madigan, Burke and Daley machine. The union is full of ass kissers. John is known for never giving up or kissing ass. Since that hard fight 25 years ago FOP gave our money to the the politicians that want to take or reduce pensions. So the next FOP election when MARK DONAHUE comes out to Bull Shit you about what the Union is doing, talking about legislation like the COLA changes. Remember this... He did not back a police man, a Lawyer, to legislate for State Rep in the 19th ward. He backed Hurley, who qualification is that she was the secretary of the ward office. But now as another election is coming your gonna see all these FOP pukes come out to the district again passing out pens and trinkets for your vote so they can keep getting paid to fight for pizza parties and golf outings for you. While they go to dinners and seminar trips for a couple more years. Johns got my vote!
If you don’t like it, don’t vote for Lightfoot and her collection of commie scum like Joanna Klonsky, her senior advisor. They are radical leftist garbage.
John Cat would be great if he didn’t also get so many CR’s on his fellow Officers.
Anonymous said...
Misinformation about FOP on this.
I was part of FOP back then and we worked hard to fight this.
John Cat knows this. It's a political stunt so he can run for FOP president.
3/04/2019 08:46:00 AM
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Stunt or not....Ya'all need to step the heck up and Sign it.
I'm swinging by 016 tomorrow after my shift for Finance.
Best Regards,
That damn Guy on a Bike, not on his regular IP Address.
Misinformation about FOP on this.
I was part of FOP back then and we worked hard to fight this.
John Cat knows this. It's a political stunt so he can run for FOP president.
To the clueless ANONYMOUS poster....its not a stunt. When this bill was introduced and referred to the ways and means committee I was at the mic in January asking Kevin if the FOP was aware of the bill. He said yes and that he had spoke to Canterbury who said they would likely be constructing an online petition on the national site. I asked again at the Feb general meeting and I was told nothing was done and the attitude was lodge 7 wasnt going to do anything either. At that point I decided to take the task on myself. You can question my motivation all you want but until you step up and do something constructive maybe try shutting up till you know the facts. It's a shame our union at every level doesn't think this is a fight worth fighting. It's about putting money in members pockets in retirement. I thought that was one of the goals of a union. It's also a shame the retirees on the board could care less either but will tell you time and again how important their voices are on the board while they sat TOTALLY silent on this.
Yes I am running for FOP President in a year. Does that taint any effort to fight for the membership on my own time or dime?
John Catanzara 008
Rottenkowski sponsored the Bill and Reagan signed it into law, he could have vetoed the Bill. ♠️
Railroad workers have the same problem. The ones that have put into Social Security and then work for the railroad and retire will only receive one or the other. Whichever is higher. If my railroad retirement is higher, my Social Security goes down the toilet.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
With Medicare paymt taken out, i clear $306.00 per mth which is B.S. thank you DannyBoy.
3/04/2019 10:19:00 AM
I think it is fitting on this Casimir Pulaski Day, to pay tribute to tha piece of crap, Dan Rostenkowski. Burn in hell.
Screwing us out of social security isn't his only claim to fame. Here is a YouTube video of Rusty getting chased out of a townhall meeting by angry seniors in 1989.
video link "you're not a representative, you're a bum" rostenkowski
How about a drive to register everyone in the police and fire depts to vote. Just look at the FOP elections. Over the years only about 4500 vote. Word has it that only 40% of the cpd is registered . Get on it FOP instead of the fishing and golf tournaments.
Do not worry about what you receive from SS. Worry about your Medicare and make sure you have the quarters. Years ago, worked with some that were short of quarters, had many $$$ to pay for health insurance, most went back to work to get the quarters. Retire at 50 something and go back to work for Medicare. You used to be able to buy back quarters, I have no idea if this is still true. Think about your medical bills.
old retired guy
Pipe dream. National FOP has been trying for years.
Thanks to the stamp thief Rostenkowski.
With Fop, same bul shot with a different face as the president.
need for Fop to hit the door.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What’s your rationale for this again? If you get a pension why do you need social security? Seems like a windfall. I’m not being a smart ass but legitimately asking why I should support this? Thanks
3/04/2019 07:26:00 AM
Because I have my 40 quarters in SS, so why should I get less than everyone else? Because I worked 30 years on CPD and a second job so I could get my quarters, and now I’m not entitled to what everyone else receives.
We Should start a petition to get this goof some psychological help. Don’t forget he got a CR on the unit rep in 008 for posting his name for working VRI when most were asking
Not to work that weekend. False profit.
For example, the fireman who works a side job as an electrician (non-union) for 4 days a week paying social security also takes a hit with the WEP-windfall elimination provision. The penalty is generally 2/3 however, if you worked 30 "high income" years there is no penalty. In most cases a fireman or policeman works 7 years before he/she gets on the job and then works 8 years afterward. Their social security benefit will be reduced by 2/3. If you are due to get $600 per month social security you will only get $200. They withhold at the full rate of FICA yet penalize you by 2/3.
Misinformation about FOP on this.
I was part of FOP back then and we worked hard to fight this.
John Cat knows this. It's a political stunt so he can run for FOP president
I hope he does run. He would be better than the useless waste of money in office now.
I used to donate occasionally to the National FOP, small donations, but something. I kept reading their magazine where they always say they have so many sponsors attempting to overturn the bullshit bill which penalizes us regarding Social Security benefits.
This has been going on for years and still no action.
So, as far as I'm concerned, fuck the FOP. Give me my money!
My SSI was reduced $450.....
What’s your rationale for this again? If you get a pension why do you need social security? Seems like a windfall. I’m not being a smart ass but legitimately asking why I should support this? Thanks
3/04/2019 07:26:00 AM
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You see there are some people on this job who worked for years before they came on the job and paid into social security. Then they worked side jobs and paid into social security. Then they retired and some worked other jobs and paid into social security. They paid into the system at the full rate that everyone else pays in to it, but Congress (led by our own Dan Rostenkowski, before he went to jail) decided that we, and anyone with a municipal pension, are only entitled to 40% of the benefits. You sound like a single millennial and too young to understand the finanacial demands of a family as you get older.
For those of us who wish to piss on Rosty's grave he is buried in St. Adalberts Cemetery in Niles Il.
There seems to be a complete disconnect as far as Social Security benefits go for people who have other government pensions as their primary retirement source. The reason such people have their social security benefits reduced has to do with the way Social Security benefits are calculated. There is a calculation made based on 35 years of wages subject to a minimum benefit amount. The minimum benefit amount is basically taken from all the other social security recipients and distributed to people who would otherwise have a much lower benefit. Everyone else that gets Social Security has their benefit amount reduced to pay for this bump up for people who would otherwise have a very low benefit based on their average wages over 35 years indexed for inflation.
07:26 AM "What's your rationale for this again? "
Quite simple : I WAS FORCED BY IRS LAW to pay into Soc Sec for money I made on a second job ...Why on earth shouldn't I receive benefits like every other person who has properly paid INTO the fund ? How can anyone justify paying some people less than others ? Where's all the bullshit about equality and fairness ? Politicians plus Money equals some bastard ,somewhere is going to take money from any freakin' place they can to buy some votes with money that should be going to QUALIFIED persons.
John, just freaking run for president in the next f.o.p election you will win in a landslide. ..we need someone with balls!
"Anonymous Anonymous said...
What’s your rationale for this again? If you get a pension why do you need social security? Seems like a windfall. I’m not being a smart ass but legitimately asking why I should support this? Thanks
3/04/2019 07:26:00 AM"
The rationale, or logic if you will, is that many officers worked and contributed to SS before they became the police. They qualified for full SS benefits. BUT, because they now have a pension (so far), their SS benefits are cut drastically.
We are getting to the point that SS will be means tested. If you have money in the bank or 401k, your SS benefit will be reduced accordingly.
I mean, really, If someone has a 401k why do they need SS? Right?
We Should start a petition to get this goof some psychological help. Don’t forget he got a CR on the unit rep in 008 for posting his
name for working VRI when most were asking
Not to work that weekend. False profit.
Another clueless hack spreading nonsense. The CR was only obtained after that same unit rep refused to apologize for FALSELY posting my name for which he even had an extra day to consider. My name was smeared citywide and I never worked that weekend. You keep spreading the bullshit. I have the truth. The plan to not sign up for OT never made sense to me when replaced would easily be found with younger officers. My plan of signing up and canceling last minute, made much more sense to leave the city short that weekend. That's exactly what I did. Unfortunately that unit rep was too eager to impress some board members with his "toughness" and bragged for weeks prior about all the ideas he had for the RATS. Maybe he should have waite until that Tuesday morning to see who actually worked instead of Friday as he left for a 3day holiday weekend all full of himself.
In the immortal words of Paul Harvey, and now you have the rest of the story.
John Catanzara 008
I worked in the private sector for 15 yrs and worked cta when it was the only thing we had they took out social security. Now I want my money!!!
I disagree with this. We didn't pay in enough to deserve any more than we are getting
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I disagree with you. There are plenty who have paid into SS, either by: 1. coming on this job late, so have their quarters from elsewhere, 2. work CTA special employment where SS is deducted, 3. worked any number of side jobs over there years or decades where the full tax was deducted. If the full tax is deducted, why shouldn't they receive the full benefit?
the problem is, for too many young kids, this is their first real job so they don't understand. I do agree with you that we need to also focus on the pension.
RH
3/05/2019 02:43:00 AM
YES! The current crew at FOP are totally useless and in it for themselves.
Anonymous said...
Do not worry about what you receive from SS. Worry about your Medicare and make sure you have the quarters. Years ago, worked with some that were short of quarters, had many $$$ to pay for health insurance, most went back to work to get the quarters. Retire at 50 something and go back to work for Medicare. You used to be able to buy back quarters, I have no idea if this is still true. Think about your medical bills.
old retired guy
3/04/2019 08:26:00 PM
Since 1985, everyone has a deduction for Medicare taken out of their paychecks. I’m not sure if it was new hires or every employee?
America is not a socialist country. Burn the petitions. Cast off the yoke of medicare and social security. There's plenty of room under the Kennedy Expressway for all!
Anonymous KMA 1999 said...
For those of us who wish to piss on Rosty's grave he is buried in St. Adalberts Cemetery in Niles Il.
It’s too cold out there to wait in line
Leave a few petitions with court sergeants
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What’s your rationale for this again? If you get a pension why do you need social security? Seems like a windfall. I’m not being a smart ass but legitimately asking why I should support this? Thanks
3/04/2019 07:26:00 AM
Perhaps if you're a civilian, this will help explain.
In 1972, I was six months too young for the CPD womens' test. In 1975, I was deemed "Unqualified", which everyone knew that horrible things were going on with the hiring processes at that time. What a joke. (I had an exemplary, highly decorated career). In 1981, I took the test once again and was hired in 1985, after a two year hiring freeze. I worked 14 years in the private sector, waiting 13 years because the city chose not to hire me. What has that got to do with the money I paid into Social Security. It's minimal, but it's mine! I am sure I am not alone. I could't pay into those years of City Pension money because I wasn't hired, less years worked for the city, less pension for me. My private sector employment has nothing to do with the city.
Retired
Retired here went into 008 today and signed the petition at least Jcat has the courage to do this,and from what he has done in the past (I know somethings are not politically correct), if/when he runs for FOP president he will win hands down,at least he show leadership potential compared to the others who are using our house the fop as a hide and seek game.
Since 1985, everyone has a deduction for Medicare taken out of their paychecks. I’m not sure if it was new hires or every employee?
3/05/2019 09:38:00 AM
It was for new hires. Didn’t affect anyone coming on prior to 1985
You guys fail to mention the pension offset. It was passed with the windfall legislation. It basically eliminates your spousal annuity which is 50% of your spouses social security. My wife gets around $2000 a month SS benefits. I would have had a spousal annuity of $1000 a month but because of my pension I get zero.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
3/05/2019 02:43:00 AM
YES! The current crew at FOP are totally useless and in it for themselves.
3/05/2019 09:10:00 AM
It is as if we have no representation, not a peep out of them as to what is going on with contract. City walks all over us and nothing but silence over on Washington Blvd. It seems each successive FOP crew is worse than the last. But I’ll give them this , they do a great job planning golf outings and picnics.
We are on our own.
I'm short 10 quarters for minimum social security , approx how much would I receive if I find a part time job for a few years ? if anyone knows , please post .
At 59 with two years to max out on CPD , is it worth my time to work part time and pick up the 6 credits that I am short to receive minimum social security benefits. I have no idea what I would collect at age 66 with 40 credits .
The contract has been going nowhere . Don’t blame everyone for the missteps at the Fop on the contract , consent decree and the recent election . Kevin Graham is clueless! From day one he failed to listen to his top advisors who work there . He’s lies so much and when he does tell the truth you still can’t believe him . He is not a leader and never will be ! He was only elected because everyone hated the previous president . In one year from now he won’t be there !
Good luck John, our elected public officials build problems and our elected union officials set on their hands and you are trying to make positive changes, without support of the "organizations" its an uphill battle. My personnel opinion is that Chicago will end up in bankruptcy. Silly me I posted a petition on the White House web site to change the federal bankruptcy law to give Police and Fire dept pensions protection in bankruptcy, FOP had no interest in informing their members neither did the RCPA as a result it only got a few hundred signatures At lest its in the Pearl Harbor file
Anonymous Anonymous said...
At 59 with two years to max out on CPD , is it worth my time to work part time and pick up the 6 credits that I am short to receive minimum social security benefits. I have no idea what I would collect at age 66 with 40 credits .
Sure why not. If you are that close do it. Also think SS has changed about the quarters. Now I think if you make so much in a year you get the 4 quarters. If that’s true work a lot for 3 months and pick up 4 quarters
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm short 10 quarters for minimum social security , approx how much would I receive if I find a part time job for a few years ? if anyone knows , please post .
3/05/
You might try calling social security
What did John Catanzara five up for lent?
Nothing!
John Catanzara doesnt give up!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You guys fail to mention the pension offset. It was passed with the windfall legislation. It basically eliminates your spousal annuity which is 50% of your spouses social security. My wife gets around $2000 a month SS benefits. I would have had a spousal annuity of $1000 a month but because of my pension I get zero.
3/05/2019 06:28:00 PM
Guys (or maybe girls)like you are the reason nothing gets done. This petition is all about getting rid of the windfall elimination! WTF. Sign the petition
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"Anonymous Anonymous said...
What’s your rationale for this again? If you get a pension why do you need social security? Seems like a windfall. I’m not being a smart ass but legitimately asking why I should support this? Thanks
The answer to your question is that you earned it so why shouldnt you collect it? Unless you are independently wealthy and dont need it then dont collect it. What if the pension suddenly goes belly up. Wouldnt it be nice to collect your full social security benefits if you are eligible?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I disagree with this. We didn't pay in enough to deserve any more than we are getting. I would concentrate your efforts on protecting our pension. The pension is what differentiates us from all other workers. It is a wonderful (and well deserved) reward. Incidentally, there is absolutely no chance that they are going to change this (WEP). I don't understand why you would want to tilt at windmills. Focus on the pension.
3/04/2019 05:27:00 PM
You obvioiusly dont understand how this works. If you had enough quarters to qualify for benefits your benefits are calculated on what you earned. Obviously some people earn more than others so thier benefits would be higher. So whatever amount you are now entitled to because you earned them, you are going to lose 60% because of the windfall elimination provision. If we can get this reversed (that is what the petlition is for) then you will get 100% of what you are owed instead of 40%. If you didnt work extra jobs to better yourself and dont have enough quarters for social security you wont get anything anyway. It is people like you who wont even try is the reasons we all get screwed.
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