FOP Finds (tiny) Courage
Along with various media outlets finding their testicles/ovaries, the FOP seems to have located some marbles recently:
- The head of the Chicago police union doubled down on his criticism of Cook County State’s Attorney Kim Foxx during a speech Tuesday, once again showcasing the frayed relationship between some police officers and the top prosecutor’s office.
Several weeks after calling for Foxx’s resignation over the Jussie Smollett scandal, Kevin Graham, president of the Chicago Fraternal Order of Police, renewed his complaints during an address at an event held by the City Club of Chicago.
And they're also confronting LightGroot over the two-year-expired Contract:
- Fraternal Order of Police President Kevin Graham on Tuesday urged Mayor-elect Lori Lightfoot to start negotiating the new police contract that Rahm Emanuel punted, but slammed the door on disciplinary changes outlined in the federal consent decree.
Lightfoot co-chaired the Task Force on Police Accountability that demanded changes to a police contract that, it claimed, “codifies the code of silence” that Emanuel famously acknowledged exists at the Chicago Police Department.
The City Council’s Black Caucus has threatened to hold up ratification of any police contract that continues to make it “easy for officers to lie” by giving them 24 hours before providing a statement after a shooting and includes “impediments to accountability” that prohibit anonymous complaints, allow officers to change statements after reviewing video and requires sworn affidavits.
Enough with this "codifies" bullshit. Graham, we're talking to you. Next time this comes up, demand that the questioner cite the exact Contract section that "codifies" anything resembling a "code of silence." Chapter and verse.
Then point out that each and every Contract, since the beginning of the FOP, has been ratified by the City Council and that during the debate portion of the hearings, each and every alderasshole was obligated by their Oath of Office to question and object to that "codified" provision of the Contract (which doesn't exist).
Good to see that Graham pointed out this:
Then point out that each and every Contract, since the beginning of the FOP, has been ratified by the City Council and that during the debate portion of the hearings, each and every alderasshole was obligated by their Oath of Office to question and object to that "codified" provision of the Contract (which doesn't exist).
Good to see that Graham pointed out this:
- Graham was equally adamant about retaining — and maybe even increasing — the 24-hour waiting period before statements are given after a police shooting.
“Why should federal agents have 72 hours and we only have 24?” he said.
Props for that jab. Now keep hitting them, over and over and over.
Labels: city politics, FOP
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
52 Comments:
Would someone whose been involved in a shooting explain what one must do to avoid providing a statement immediately?
ER request is an option but wont the visit have any effect on the FOID?
There’s ways of prolonging that statement window(time), what are they? Share please it might save some of us some day.
Ohh and almost forgot FUCK YOU COOK COUNTY justice system and rahm.
What they need to do next is call out Lil Kim and Toni on the “there’s too many people of color in jail” comment/philosophy . Tie it to them as policy like the “code of silence” bs. They’ve said it, they’re actions show that they don’t charge correctly because of it. Now, preach it as policy. Take a page from their book and use it against them.
We should be just like the Feds who are considered the most professional. Right? 72 hours. Send it to the arbitrator requesting 72 hours. Then ask for a 5 year contract at 20% The economy is booming. Then an extra p-day and four more v-days. Then a COLA for forced residency or lift it. We call the shots not them. Let’s not waste more time. Make an attempt then straight to arbitration. It’s inevitable anyway. It doesn’t matter that the last two years we got blown off by Rahm. It’s still the city that dragged their feet. Just because it’s a new mayor doesn’t mean they get to drag their feet for two more years.
FOP 'leadership' is controlled opposition. They are full of hot air; short on results.
How many years without a contract now? Where was the Foxx protest located at?
If I have to shoot someone, I am going to the hospital. They can question me as my heart monitor goes crazy. Fuck them!
May Day tomorrow.
Does Chicago have as much fun as Portland with the Communist rioters?
Off topic.
Police Officer Mohamed Noor convicted of Third Degree Murder and Manslaughter in Minneapolis Minnesota today. He shot Justine Damond who was unarmed and in Pajamas as she approached their police car.
Come on strap on a set and let’s do a walk for no confidence?
Jodi did not survive it!
Any Groot will be needing every star on street with warm weather around the corner!
After goofy Groot speaking up about the youths wilding on streets, and saying its city responsibility to find them something to do?
She stepped in it deep? So let’s see her run to the table?
9.5 is running from the mess he started!
So let’s see if Groot can wear the big boy pants, and take care of business?
Can we get a stop to roll call becoming a sales pitch platform from insurance companies, cell phone providers, retirement specialist, sgt’s selling t-shirts and whoever else wants in our pockets. No I can’t spare any cash and no I don’t need to capitalize on my sprained ankle. - west side
Anonymous said...
Would someone whose been involved in a shooting explain what one must do to avoid providing a statement immediately?
ER request is an option but wont the visit have any effect on the FOID?
There’s ways of prolonging that statement window(time), what are they? Share please it might save some of us some day.
Ohh and almost forgot FUCK YOU COOK COUNTY justice system and rahm.
5/01/2019 12:18:00 AM
Simple. And I didn't need to be involved in a shooting to know this. All UNION MEMBERS SHOULD KNOW THIS.
Assert your Weingarten Rights and require a Union Steward be present before you will interface with any superior in a discussion that "could/might' result in disciplinary actions taken against you.
During an investigatory interview, the Supreme Court ruled that the following rules apply: Rule 1: The employee must make a clear request for union representation before or during the interview. The employee cannot be punished for making this request.
http://pbpa501.org/weingarten-rights/
Until the Steward Shows up you don't have to answer ANY questions once you've Made the Request for Union Representation.
But Once the Rep is present, you have to answer questions. But Make sure for every question you are asked to inquire "are you Ordering me to answer this question?"
Because if they say no...you can refuse to answer the question due to it is not a Direct Order to Answer. But if they say yes, you can only refuse to Answer at that point by Claiming the 5th and requesting to see a Lawyer.
Hope this helps.
Police Officer Mohamed Noor convicted of Third Degree Murder and Manslaughter in Minneapolis Minnesota today. He shot Justine Damond who was unarmed and in Pajamas as she approached their police car.
5/01/2019 02:40:00 AM
Yeah, i tty not to monday morning quarter back but that was hole story is suspicious
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Can we get a stop to roll call becoming a sales pitch platform from insurance companies, cell phone providers, retirement specialist, sgt’s selling t-shirts and whoever else wants in our pockets. No I can’t spare any cash and no I don’t need to capitalize on my sprained ankle. - west side
5/01/2019 03:47:00 AM
The Dept. is in shambles, and you're worried about this nonsense?
Aren't these the same alderscum that passed laws prohibiting them or their staff from being investigated without their permission?
Aren't these the same alderscum that recently lashed out at another alderscum for wearing a wire calling him a rat?
Aren't these the same alderscum that have a much higher percentage of indictments against them then all other city departments combined?
I do fully agree that there is a problem with the "code of silence." However everybody seems to have the address of the perpetrators wrong. Let me help out you so called investigative reporters, the correct address for the "code of silence" is 121 N. LaSalle!!!
FOP always plays the nice guy and always gets fucked over. #DUMPFOPNOW!
You don’t lose your FOID card if he decide to go to the hospital. Technically in Illinois you don’t even need a FOID to be a PO, but then carrying off duty is an issue.
For the first commenter asking about making a statement regarding the shooting, they mean 24 hours to make a statement to COPA. If you get in a shooting, regardless of going to the hospital or not, you are going to have to do a walkthrough with the deputy chief and the shooting team detectives, giving them basic informantion about where the incident started, where you fired,etc. nothing gets written down at this point on scene, they are just making sure no evidence is being missed. Then at the area you watch your BWC and the detectives take your statement of what happened. They are extremely knowledgeable and helpful and give you all the time in the world to tell your story. COPA is on scene but cannot get a statement from you for 24 hours and thank God because this whole ordeal keeps you at work a minimum of 10 hours. I got home at 10am after starting work at 2pm the day before.
Advice: if you need to go to the hospital, go. you probably could use this chance to get out of there and relax because your heart is going to be pounding out of your chest. It’s not necessary to go to the hospital though, and you will have to walk the scene with the street deputy and detectives so the hospital trip is really just for you if you need to go, it’s not a negative and It doesn’t hold up the investigation.
The funny thing about the COPA statement was that It took a couple weeks to even be called down to COPA to make a statement. I’m sure when they smell blood in the water on a good narrative being spewed of unjustified shooting of a young scholar they speed up their process but I think they are like any of us when It comes to work, don’t do too much.
Come on the ONLY reason that Juicy didn't just slide out of town scot free was the timely "leaks" that da Machine is all pissed off about. So given how that worked , there should be countless "leaks" about felony or should I say "non-felony" review on cases that are current and pending . Now your turning up the heat on the boiling pot my friends . You think Crimeisha is floundering around now ? Keep the pressure on her office to explain themselves out of doing their fucking job. Face it the average person just got a taste of the foul shit coming out of there so we should make it a steady diet till she is gone.
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FOP
I don't care if it takes another two years or more,
DON'T GIVE ANYTHING UP!
COLA for residency or lift residency - I like it
Small marbles? Try some ball bearings.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
Anonymous said...
Off topic.
Police Officer Mohamed Noor convicted of Third Degree Murder and Manslaughter in Minneapolis Minnesota today. He shot Justine Damond who was unarmed and in Pajamas as she approached their police car.
5/01/2019 02:40:00 AM
He definitely deserved conviction pos!
Good job is right. Keep it up. The disparity between feds 72 hrs and our 24 is the key to bargaining this issue.
Don’t rush this and you’ll keep as many protections as possible and get the most out of here and retired at 2% that you can.
Why didn’t graham call the scum times out on Matt Hendrickson’s attack on the CPD being involved with white supremacists? There is no question that the new narrative pushed by sun times editorial staff is that any criticism of Kim is either racist or coming from white supremacy. The CPD must act strongly against the attacks by Matt Hendrickson who when sent an email about the article personally attacked the writer. And Lori thinks the wildings are caused by poor blacks who can’t go to Florida. This city is in trouble with writers like Matt Hendrickson of the sun times following the narrative of the the democratic left protecting those who commit hate crimes against whites on a regular basis.
2:54AM.....
Yes, she did step in it with the comment about the city needing to find activities for Wilding youth.
All day long yesterday, I heard non-police talking about it and they were fuckin pissed.
FOP (tiny) hahaha. With Angelo, Bella and Graham, we are averaging somewhere between 4' 11" and 5' 1" -- They make Rahm feel big. What's with all the runts in power?
Come on Kevin i think i can keep reciting it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx9xO98kcBU
Lightfoot co-chaired the Task Force on Police Accountability that demanded changes to a police contract that, it claimed, “codifies the code of silence” that Emanuel famously acknowledged exists at the Chicago Police Department.
Mayor elect Lightfoot do you really want to end corruption from within the CPD? Start from the TOP and work your way down, most of these felons have mastered the art of deceit and thievery...
FOP has been in bed with rham since beginning....just a matter of time if they do the same with Lori. We are worse off with them since they been in office. They let department write orders that violate the contract and choose to do nothing about it. The PPO program is in shambles once they hit a district. Why am I still burning time with my baby furlo day ? Why am I not getting my vacation Days as days? Why are days off being cancelled around holiday weekends as a political stunt that doesn’t make a difference. Why is FOP so silent on this stuff. Why have there been no negotiations in good faith. Why has arbitration been forced?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Can we get a stop to roll call becoming a sales pitch platform from insurance companies, cell phone providers, retirement specialist, sgt’s selling t-shirts and whoever else wants in our pockets. No I can’t spare any cash and no I don’t need to capitalize on my sprained ankle. - west side
5/01/2019 03:47:00 AM
I absolutely agree. Especially with someone of rank pushing/selling benefit tickets, raffle tickets, etc. That is not right. In no situation should a person in charge be selling anything. It has a bad feeling attached and u feel like you have to buy it. There can and has been retribution for not buying things. Denied time on the end. Not getting that day off. The bosses know you feel like u have to buy it, that’s why they do it. They can unload their 20 tickets and be done. It’s in appropriate and unprofessional.
Graham is losing the public relation war with Kim Foxx. I have said this before and will say it again, BACK YOUR ANTI-KIM FOXX STATEMENTS WITH ACTUAL STATICTS. Set up a dedicated phone line for Police Officers(both Chicago and Suburbs) to call in and report how the Cook County States Attorney Office handles cases before them. Examples: A Police Officer makes an arrest for a felony shoplifting case. The SA Felony Review rejects the case. The PO calls into FOP and gives the patinate information such as names of victims, offender, SA names, date/time and location of incident and reason why charges were rejected. Also, PO's can call in and report such actions as downgrading charges in court, nollie processing cases, refusal to charge a person on resisting and/or obstructing battery of a PO. This could be categized every month and published. Here is another suggestion for good will; start a internship program with any of the local Universities or Colleges. Have criminal justice majors answer the phones and compile the statists. By doing this, the FOP can give actual, factual cases for reasons why they are opposed to Foxx. FOP is losing the public relation battle with FOXX. It is one thing to say we oppose FOXX. By giving actual statics it would be a compelling argument on why the FOP opposes her. It would give the public an understanding of how she is misusing the Office of the States Attorney. Retired Sgt Chas Salvatore
Not a cop.
Saw a piece of interview on the useless WGN 9 this am with Anthony Riccio--
he said Rahm supports the CPD.
I had to run to the bathroom to puke.
That's why I only saw part of it!
Just because it’s a new mayor doesn’t mean they get to drag their feet for two more years...
True! FOP contract 2 years expired, PBPA 3 years expired. OUR contract and retro is essential and it should be top priority!
Among many others, the Chicago Orchestra got a contract. City colleges are next and as usual CPS already threatened a strike if their contract doesn't get extended by this June...
Everyone has received a raise and an contract, but as usual first responders get pushed around. FOP please step up and meet with Mayor Lightfoot ASAP, before the Summer Wilding, Robbery and Shooting Season gets into full gear! Chicago Police Officers will have to step up AGAIN, have their days off and holidays off cancelled to try to deal with the Summer mayhem. The police are people from the community, they pay taxes, fees and many bills. They deserve a raise and timely contract!
Get into a shooting, request Em's for chest pain. It's real simple they can't deny you medical attention.
Normally anything out of FOP that makes the FakeNews editors is trivial and always in reaction.
This wasn’t a FakeNews planned interview.
It was a City Club event, which usually hosts pandering babbling foolish liberals.
In fact both Rahm and SpecialEd are up May 2 and May 9th.
LightLoafer is dead set on deconstruction of our Contract. Plain and simple.
There will not be any bending.
We’ll see how much FOP is willing to sacrifice and from where.
Nothing fair, nothing equitable will be offered from city hall, many lackey attorneys are posturing like gold stars too.
Ask yourself every tour, what are you willing to do to save your benefits, even if it’s just the 1st and 16th.
Good luck FOP..... stick to your guns and principles.
Lori is against us.
Hey Kevin, slapping Not-A-Foxx around is nice, but how about doubling down on the party line of lower crime.
This lower crime narrative didn’t/doesn’t occur in a vacuum. It occurs because of blue shirts on the street.
It’s time for the crooks at city hall to put their money where their mouths are. Not only to settle the contract with a nice taise and better benefits, but to make the pension whole.
Why dont the FOP elected members, that are paid by union fees, get their asses to roll calls and explain contract issues and at least hear concerns from the front line guys? It’s a shitty run organization and I’d rather have the damn teamsters shaking us down instead of these bozo’s costing us our future.
From www.theexpiredmeter.com - http://theexpiredmeter.com/
THE FOXX FIX --
Crooked Corrupt Fake Prosecutor Kim Foxx Is Trying To Let Even More Felons Out Of Jail -- By Outlawing Cash Bail - Kane County Chronicle
JUSSIE GOES FLUSHY: Even Though Foxx Broke Every Rule In The Book To Let Hate Crime Hoaxster Jussie Smollett Avoid Admitting His Crimes (And Salvage His Third Rate Acting Career), Smollett Is Now Officially Off The TV Show That He Was Trying To Shake Down For More Money - TMZ -- BYE FELICIA
Like Foxx, Smollett Refuses To Show For Special Prosecutor Hearing In Chicago - Chicago Sun-Times
John Kass Column: Smollett Scandal Has The Obamas' Crooked Fingerprints All Over It - Chicago Tribune
Foxx's So-Called Reform Neglects Crime Victims - Chicago Now
The Dallas police chief was barraged with people wanting to reduce the decompression time officers had after a shooting. He basically middle-fingered the loudmouths by saying he would just give the officers Miranda rights.
Then you have all the time in the world.
Police Officers will have to step up AGAIN, have their days off and holidays off cancelled to try to deal with the Summer mayhem. The police are people from the community, they pay taxes, fees and many bills. They deserve a raise and timely contract!...
Well said! Police are also Chicagoans and they shouldn't be treated as second class citizens!
The police are people from the community, they pay taxes, fees and many bills. They deserve a raise and timely contract!
True that!
Andrew Petersen said...
Anonymous said...
Would someone whose been involved in a shooting explain what one must do to avoid providing a statement immediately?
ER request is an option but wont the visit have any effect on the FOID?
There’s ways of prolonging that statement window(time), what are they? Share please it might save some of us some day.
Ohh and almost forgot FUCK YOU COOK COUNTY justice system and rahm.
5/01/2019 12:18:00 AM
Simple. And I didn't need to be involved in a shooting to know this. All UNION MEMBERS SHOULD KNOW THIS.
Assert your Weingarten Rights and require a Union Steward be present before you will interface with any superior in a discussion that "could/might' result in disciplinary actions taken against you.
During an investigatory interview, the Supreme Court ruled that the following rules apply: Rule 1: The employee must make a clear request for union representation before or during the interview. The employee cannot be punished for making this request.
http://pbpa501.org/weingarten-rights/
Until the Steward Shows up you don't have to answer ANY questions once you've Made the Request for Union Representation.
But Once the Rep is present, you have to answer questions. But Make sure for every question you are asked to inquire "are you Ordering me to answer this question?"
Because if they say no...you can refuse to answer the question due to it is not a Direct Order to Answer. But if they say yes, you can only refuse to Answer at that point by Claiming the 5th and requesting to see a Lawyer.
Hope this helps.
5/01/2019 05:04:00 AM
Not really helpful at all. Of course you weren't involved in an on-duty shooting in Chicago. You're not CPD. Maybe, if you're a DuPage County Deputy since that's from their union site. There is a huge difference between administrative proceedings rights and criminal rights. You can't claim the 5th under the former. The POs, Sgts, Lts, and Cpts have the procedures And rights outlined in their respective contracts. There are also directives on it. A rep is called and is on scene. Since it's obvious you aren't from Chicago, and not law enforcement, you probably shouldn't chime n with incorrect info.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Would someone whose been involved in a shooting explain what one must do to avoid providing a statement immediately?
ER request is an option but wont the visit have any effect on the FOID?
There’s ways of prolonging that statement window(time), what are they? Share please it might save some of us some day.
Ohh and almost forgot FUCK YOU COOK COUNTY justice system and rahm.
5/01/2019 12:18:00 AM
Us as in who? CCL holders? CPD? on-duty? off-duty? Other?
The Feds hit a Gold Mine with a simple investigation into Danny Solis that now is reaching its way into the halls of D.C. and finally a very legit Atty Gen. You’d think someone as slimy as the individual who rose through the shady ranks of Humboldt Park in the 80’s would have more common sense. This wide net fortunately ensnared THE biggest former N-W Side Progressive Alderthief who will be called on the carpet in the not so distant future, as the Feds u tangle and work out the whole Burke spiderweb. This is all good news for Mayor Lightfoot in her bid to build coalitions. I’d be really nervous if I had any dealings with both Solis or Little Ricky Munoz and the developers tied to Burke on Southwest and Northwest side.
"Just because it’s a new mayor doesn’t mean they get to drag their feet for two more years..."
"True! FOP contract 2 years expired, PBPA 3 years expired. OUR contract and retro is essential and it should be top priority!"
The city college clerical works, three years without a contract, starting today, are on strike.
Teacher's contract will expire at the end of June.
They want to skip negotiations and demand mediation.
They demand a new contract, with big raises, settled before school starts
or they will strike. CTU told their membership to start saving and set aside money for the strike.
In light of the political hatred of the police afoot (pun intended) FOP SHOULD drag this on. The city needs big concessions to be able to enforce the Consent Decree.
Let the Smoke Eaters settle first (as always), and define our pay raises via me-too.
Coppers, quit dreaming about the retro and the shiny new car, boat, & crap.
Think pension. Think your rights and protections. Think bidding. Think merit.
KG don't give anything up, stall for two, three more years. (Bigger retro!)
It would be better (for you, KG) to lose something from an arbitrator, than YOU give something away.
This summer will define LL.
Wildings, murders, white flight, black flight, businesses flight or peace downtown and in the neighborhoods. She can be the mayor who took the city to bankruptcy or the mayor who turned ChiRaq back into Chicago.
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"Why don't the FOP elected members, that are paid by union fees, get their asses to roll calls and explain contract issues and at least hear concerns from the front line guys? It’s a shitty run organization and I’d rather have the damn teamsters shaking us down instead of these bozo’s costing us our future."
Read the contract.
Since 1980, FOP "bosses" cannot go to any roll call unless it is their election season.
They can go to lectures, lunches, dinners, meetings, conventions, clubs, classes, golf outings, symposiums, etc anytime at our expense.
Once in a great while, they can go on TV, Chan 11 Chicago Tonight, which nobody watches.
Roll calls are strictly forbidden during non FOP election time.
Good Morning Sergeants,
Last week the negotiation team met with the city. This was our 18th meeting. During this meeting our Attorney declared impasse. As of this time we are awaiting the city response to our declaration of impasse. The next move in this process will be to select an arbitrator and determine a date agreeable to all parties for an arbitration. As things progress I will keep everyone informed of our progress. Thank you for all that do. Please watch out for each other and be safe.
Thank you,
Paul
Anonymous said...
Come on the ONLY reason that Juicy didn't just slide out of town scot free was the timely "leaks" that da Machine is all pissed off about. So given how that worked , there should be countless "leaks" about felony or should I say "non-felony" review on cases that are current and pending . Now your turning up the heat on the boiling pot my friends . You think Crimeisha is floundering around now ? Keep the pressure on her office to explain themselves out of doing their fucking job. Face it the average person just got a taste of the foul shit coming out of there so we should make it a steady diet till she is gone.
5/01/2019 07:27:00 AM
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Keep the pressure on her and the slugs that support her. There must be at a few honest and descent A/S/O's who still believe in truth and honesty. Leak that material out and get it into the public square. Bring sunshine to corruption. Expose the bastards for what the are. People are sickened by her favoritism, cronyism and sell out of her Community.
Just another Democrat Socialist fat A$$ pig feeding at the public trough.
Anonymous said...
Police Officers will have to step up AGAIN, have their days off and holidays off cancelled to try to deal with the Summer mayhem. The police are people from the community, they pay taxes, fees and many bills. They deserve a raise and timely contract!...
Well said! Police are also Chicagoans and they shouldn't be treated as second class citizens!
5/01/2019 05:11:00 PM
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No contract - NO CONTACTS! Treat me with RESPECT. Its on you Groot.
Anonymous said...
The Feds hit a Gold Mine with a simple investigation into Danny Solis that now is reaching its way into the halls of D.C. and finally a very legit Atty Gen. You’d think someone as slimy as the individual who rose through the shady ranks of Humboldt Park in the 80’s would have more common sense. This wide net fortunately ensnared THE biggest former N-W Side Progressive Alderthief who will be called on the carpet in the not so distant future, as the Feds u tangle and work out the whole Burke spiderweb. This is all good news for Mayor Lightfoot in her bid to build coalitions. I’d be really nervous if I had any dealings with both Solis or Little Ricky Munoz and the developers tied to Burke on Southwest and Northwest side.
5/01/2019 08:46:00 PM
Hey Media you are always looking for that "code of silence". Look no further than the 5th floor and the 50 thieves disguised as public servants.
Hospital is the answer, just like with our lovely felons. You can't be questioned under the influence of any narcotic/medicine designed to help slow your heart rate down. The other thing us don't think for one second that any statement you make even with garrity wont be used against you. It's already happening with dui's. You have your right to refuse to blow, but then you do an administrative blow and the S.A's are subpoena that for a criminal trial. Also, most importantly Don Jerome is watching. I once heard he got a polygraph machine to tell a lie with a mere glance. Stay frosty he's watching
Would someone whose been involved in a shooting explain what one must do to avoid providing a statement immediately?
If you are a CPD PO, it would be well worth your time to read the General Orders and the contract.
If you are a civilian, you don't need to make a statement at all. You have Miranda Rights, the right to remain silent.
Also the CPD will not hold anyone not formally charged past 48 hours.
So keep your mouth shut and watch the clock.
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