Inflating Numbers
- Like an unusually early spring robin, the headlines have appeared every January for most of the past decade:
“Chicago sets new tourism record with nearly 58 million visitors in 2018.”
“Record-breaking number of tourists visit Chicago in 2017.”
“Chicago welcomed a record number of tourists in 2016.”
According to figures from Choose Chicago, the city’s convention and tourism office, the number of visitors — including business and pleasure travelers — has been rising steadily since the 2010 post-recession low.
“We didn’t just ride the national wave; we’re ahead of it,” outgoing Mayor Rahm Emanuel said in January when the latest figures were released. “No city has seen that kind of exponential growth, from 39 million to more than 57 million.”
OK, so tourism in Chicago is on the rise. But is it really increasing faster than everywhere else? Probably not.
Our readers pointed out (and we agreed) that Rahm was lying through his teeth about the numbers, probably trying to include day trippers and people staying at BnB's or relatives homes and he was most certainly downplaying the impact shootings and downtown wildings had during his second term.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
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Coincidentally, the people from "Choose Chicago" who came up with this number are the same people who worked the polls that had Hillary winning last election!
Does a connecting flight at an airport=a tourist?a train or bus stop passing thru? All the trucks traveling thru? Hmmmm
Probably including anyone who touches down at Midway and O'Hare to catch a connecting flight!
Not trying to be an asshole here, but think about it. What is worth a visit besides Chicago in the upper Midwest?? Milwaukee? St. Louis? Cleveland??? Detroit or Indianapolis??? Petty cities with even pimpier states. There’s definitely a draw in this god forsaken city of ours...just out of convenience!!! Their culture is stale their attractions are minimal. Their tourists come HERE to get away from their monotony.
East coast and West coast tourists come here out of curiosity. They have access to MULTIPLE cities already near them and most likely visited. Chicago stands out as unique and DIFFERENT than what they experience.
Bullshit... why is there a deficit a blooming? Let’s look to Cancun, Mexico... are they pulling a deficit with the tourist they are pulling. Shit no, someone is just out to trick someone and say shit that ain’t true
That is over a 1 million 115 thousand a week??
Really?
Maybe if you count all the people flying through the airports!
58 million visitors, divided by 52 weeks in a year; equals: 1,115,384.62 visitors in the city each week on average and all here to see the Bean! Why not make it a Trillion with a “T”.
Don’t you believe it! Propaganda Machine is in overdrive!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ho0FadLVC5M
I Hate Chicago - song
The only good part is leaving this shithole.
Our readers pointed out (and we agreed) that Rahm was lying through his teeth about the numbers, probably trying to include day trippers and people staying at BnB's or relatives homes and he was most certainly downplaying the impact shootings and downtown wildings had during his second term.
Labels: city politics
Next you'll expect us to believe that twinkle toes lied about the lead in the water and his suppression of the raquand mcdonald tape...
how much money actually makes it into the cities coffers? what is the actual cost to the taxpayer for each tourist ? will the new international terminal terminal at Ohara generate money or will it be a money pit like every other city project?
If I drive through non stop from Wisconsin to Ohio, does that count as a tourist visit?
Do I make a second visit on my return trip?
Yeah-after the 4th Of July Navy Pier ‘fireworks’ stampede, tourists are flocking to Chicago like crazy. Tourists really look forward to the downtown area populated by packs of roaming ‘teens’ ready to steal their cellphones or Michigan Avenue purchases, block their movements on the sidewalks ( or just bump into them), start fights, shoplift, walk around with their pants falling off them, etc. After tourists leave this great city, they immediately tell every one of their neighbors, coworkers and relatives to never set foot in this dangerous city...
58,000,000 visitors to Chicago - what the city doesn't tell you is that 48,000,000 came for funerals of loved ones or friends murdered in Chicago!
They also count the people who are at the airport switching planes for an hour.
Listen up "reporters"...any statistic from anyone on the City of Chicago payroll isn't worth the paper it's printed on.
The FBI ha been aware of this for at least 20 years now years and doesn't include Chicago's crime numbers in their National crime statistics.
If the city lies about crime figures to our nations premiers federal law enforcement agency to the point where now they're completely ignored how reliable do you think their tourism statistics are?
In their eyes, any booked hotel room within the city limits is a tourist.
If I am gettng my house painted and stay in a hotel for the night, I am a tourist.
If my wife throws me out for the week, I am a tourist.
If I get a room with my Goomah, I am a tourist.
The City claims ANYONE in a hotel room is a tourist.
a politician lie? that's just unfuckingbelieveable.
including commuters from suburbs.
There is no accurate way to measure this, so it’s certainly a lie.
Just like those predictions of the number of jobs that will be created every time some dbag politician tries to pitch his taxpayer-funded pet project.
This is a total fabrication. I have relatives and friends and they used to come several times a year. They cannot believe what happened here and will not return. Some of those guys have some decent money and are big spenders. They all love Nashville.
A car load of us came to town for a Cubs Cardinals series. Were we tourists? I wore a tee shirt I've had for 40 years....Thanks for Lou Brock Chicago.
From Statista website:
2018 Marijuana consumption in major cities (Metric Tons)
3 U.S. Cities in Top 10 World Wide List
NYC 77.44 (top of list)
LA 36.05
Chicago 24.54
So forget about "Denver" being a code word.
People can go elsewhere, score the pot, take in a Broadway
show. Chicago has already gone to pot and alternative news
outlets are telling listeners that there is a "mass shooting" in
Chicago every weekend, but it doesn't make the National news
because it's considered "normal" for Chicago.
These Democratic mayors are literally letting their cities going
to shit and blaming Trump for "no National policy." It's a
political chess game with human lives.
So when you talk about Casinos, Tourism, ect. always remember
that shooting at a marked car is no longer a big deal here and
a sector shut down is no longer instituted to apprehend the
culprit(s). It's the Wild West, so why would you ever want to visit here?
Good God...I miss that evil little scumbag.
Rahm lied?
Does a bear shit in the woods?
"...Do I make a second visit on my return trip?..."
Only if you survive expressway gunfire.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
They must be counting the people that live in the suburbs that come to work in Chicago every day
Not trying to be an asshole here, but think about it. What is worth a visit besides Chicago in the upper Midwest?? Milwaukee? St. Louis? Cleveland??? Detroit or Indianapolis??? Petty cities with even pimpier states. There’s definitely a draw in this god forsaken city of ours...just out of convenience!!! Their culture is stale their attractions are minimal. Their tourists come HERE to get away from their monotony.
East coast and West coast tourists come here out of curiosity. They have access to MULTIPLE cities already near them and most likely visited. Chicago stands out as unique and DIFFERENT than what they experience.
9/09/2019 12:54:00 AM
Shhhh they only see the bad in Chicago on here.
Just like Hilary polls
They count everyone reporting for work , truck drivers making delivery from another state
Don't forget the illegals.
Who the hell cares about tourists, it is the residents that stay here and pay for everything. And they are moving out - of the city and state by the thousands. That's why groot is hot on her plan to implement her wealth redistribution plan which includes raising those property taxes only in those certain fair complected neighborhoods where people don't kill each other on a weekly basis. Even gov Jabba is sticking to those who are actually lucky enough to sell their homes and escape with higher penalty state real estate sales tax.
When a team comes to Chicago to play
the cubs, sox, bears, etc they are tourists.
Same for college and HS.
kids going to u of c, are tourists.
Numbers game.
Downtown workers coming from suburbs were all visitors in Rahm's numbers game.
Lori is no different than Rahm. Two democratic socialists who hare police and pander to ghetto rats. More and more I believe Rahm cooked up the whole Lori election with the help of Chris fusco at the times and Dold at the tribune. Rahm’s scum people remain in key positions , no cutbacks of democratic patronage workers, and an increase of community people and folks at the city and lgbtq Warriors.
For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
Inflate tourism numbers, deflate shooting/murder numbers.
(Hell, like this weekends news, don't even have one mention of how many shot!
NOT ONE!)
They count every time a tourism tax is collected. Every game attendee at the Stadium, Wrigley, Soldier Field, and Sox park counts as a tourist. Every hotel booked, regardless of where the lodger is from, tourist. every arriving passenger at O'hare and Midway, Tourist.
Truth over Facts
With all these tourists its a shame the Loop patrol district's are way under manned. Violent crime is exploding downtown but the politicians dont seem to care. Its going to get worse before it gets better
yeah come to our cold dangerous overpriced city with wildings and crazy hotel and sales taxes. Great selling point.
"Bean" here,
Oh My!
1.1M visitors in town EACH week just to see little old me?
Well, you should have no tax problems if that is true.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
how much money actually makes it into the cities coffers? what is the actual cost to the taxpayer for each tourist ? will the new international terminal terminal at Ohara generate money or will it be a money pit like every other city project?
9/09/2019 04:07:00 AM
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I expect it to generate a lot of money-- For ME.
-- Your friendly Democrat Machine Connected Developer
Tourism is up and crime is down. Now, for the next big lie....
Rahm...?
The guy that was able to get a nice payout from his Freddie Mac holdings before it collapsed?
They count everyone who buys a air-land-sea ticket that arrives at one of the many hubs here in town.
Everybody means it includes business travelers, students abroad, protesters, the bereaved, all military, pandering politicians and of course refugees.
Also includes transfers and stop overs at the airports, rail and mega bus to outlying regional terminals.
It’s not like 50 million people rolled up the downtown tourism office for a pamphlet on major Sanctuary sites.
If that many folks are pouring into Sanctuary Shithole Chicago, imagine the incentives they could offer to just 1% of them to stay.
They do offer voter registrations at the Tourism bureau?
What’s their annual budget? Who’s running the show over there and asking for more City money?
Bet once that obama book repository finally gets erected we will “double” that 57 million to 80 million visitors.
Fake. Fake.Fake. Fake.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Probably including anyone who touches down at Midway and O'Hare to catch a connecting flight!
9/09/2019 12:46:00 AM
And they must also include those that prefer virtual travel and access Google street maps for a tour of the city.
Chicago is known again and again for it's bloody weekends. That's what people from all over the country and even world hear about Chicago. And then they come up with these ridiculous travel figures. It's laughable. But Rahm and the Toadster just read from the democrats handbook... lie, lie, lie.
.....big deal, they're lying, Jabba the Pritzker lies, Dummold J Trump lies, Groots on board the lying train, Warren, Harris.......it's fake news both ways and I don't give a shit except shore up our pension and hurry up arbitration so I can retire outta this joint!!!
Ohare airport should have a casino. Here’s a place to really make some dollars off of tourists passing through Chicago that we can easily flip for a few hundred bucks. Little to any impact on citizens of Chicago.
The entire state of Florida gets 125 million tourists a year, Chicago certainly doesn't get half of that all for itself. We don't have Disney World, South Beach, and hundreds of miles of sub-tropical coastline. The Chicago numbers are pure fantasy.
What possible motivation could the Convention and Tourism Office have to lie about the numbers? Lying would be corrupt.
Leo Schmitz landed a big job with the Sheriff
Anything that Rahm said was a lie or at best a half truth in order to put a "best spin" on it. He always talks about transparency. We hear the word "transparency" every day. Its a bullshit word constantly used by the Left. Everything stays the same just dressed up and used as a talking point.
Any numbers put out by Rahm are suspect. The City manipulates the numbers from crime stats to visitors coming to the city. If so may visitors coming in we shouldn't be carrying such a heavy debt.
Lori, as a "reformer", loves transparency just as much as the Midget. Great bullshit talking point for her too. Trouble is most of the residents in Chicago, including some members of the Community, see through Lori and her new line of social justice crap. She's been in office 100+ days and her game is already exposed by the own mouth and deeds. If a Socialist Democratic is talking, they are lying. The only one believing the visitor stats is the Media. Lying by City hall and the Media is beneficial for them not for us.
Oh good, then the increased tax revenues from those tourists mean we'll be seeing lower property taxes, lower sales tax, fairies, elves, rainbow farting unicorns....
Ralph Poppa Thorson Says:
I call tremendous bullshit on this one. The Tourism/Vacation Industry is liberally biased and linked heavily to the Celebrity Industry, which are both fraudulent and money/profit-driven. They would recommend a Chateaubriand dinner for 2 in Caracas Venezuela if they thought the could make any money by doing so.. Nobody in their right mind would really set foot in Chiraq if they had even half a brain in their head. Most however, watch the Leftist Mainstream News, and do not get accurate descriptions of Chicagoland and it's current problematic state, therefore many unsuspecting Lemmings do flood to our Combat Zone, uninformed, and just waiting to be one of those ducks on one of those carnival shooting games. Like Gump's mama said, "Stupid is as Stupid does".
“Chicago sets new tourism record with nearly 58 million visitors in 2018.”
Probably a legit number. I'm assuming they are counting every suburbanite entering the city for work every day. Hell, they are "visitors".
58 million visitors, divided by 52 weeks in a year; equals: 1,115,384.62 visitors in the city each week on average and all here to see the Bean! Why not make it a Trillion with a “T”.
9/09/2019 01:23:00
Assuming the numbers don't average out exactly Jan-Apr is probably much lower. So in "prime time" May-Sept they're telling us the numbers are more like 3M a day. That is so dumb even liberals can't believe that crap. Actually they probably do.
Rahm was a master at fudging numbers.
If a carload of gangbangers go down to the Magnificent Mile to rob people, does that count as a tourist visit? If they rob tourists, do Lori, Toni, Kimmy and Timmy give them double poverty points? Are they eligible to win a new car, or are they allowed to pick one out and carjack it?
Wow, we have 13 national parks here in Utah and we only attract 10,087,075 tourists in 2016. We had 78 homicides statewide in 2018. Maybe we need wildings, carjackers, gangs, high crime, more poverty, and a weak-ass justice system to bring our numbers up.
No overtime for you how about getting all the house mouse is out and get them on the street they could easily be replaced with a retired coppers which was talked about many times before
Mayor Lori Lightfoot says city ‘can’t afford’ current police OT costs
https://www.chicagotribune.com/politics/ct-lori-lightfoot-police-overtime-20190909-3tquo3622fcuphgbo3s5djx53q-story.html
We cannot afford the excessive police overtime but then the mayor says this very confusing;
The men and women of the Chicago Police Department have worked their butts off over the course of the summer. Every single day, seven days a week, particularly some of the senior leaders have had not a day of rest,” Lightfoot said. “They are pressing hard. Nobody’s taking their foot off the gas.”
How about Mayor you call the girl the crook county President and her sidekick incompetent fox and give him a piece of your mind let them know say hey girl stop the bullshit do your jobs. Which way do you want it do you want the police with their foot on the pedal stepping on the gas or do you want everything to stop completely? How many police officers do you have on your detail and they’re making all that big money how many please tell us why do you even need a detail you could always hire some cheap security guards to drive your ass around how about that!
Let's not forget people changing planes at O'Hare.
Don't forget that the out of stater folks who read the tribune online are also count as visitors.
You know what is bad when you have coppers can actually tell the visitors to stay away from the city saying things like I would never visit here they lied on a lot of money in tax revenue that helps out if you don’t wanna be a police officer in the city of Chicago you want to keep up your little girl Bitchin it’s time for you to get a new job how about that people really get tired of listening all the negativity especially from the young coppers and never had a job in their life and they really think that they are working hard for over $100,000 a year.
On many social sites, when Illinois, and particularly Chicago, is mentioned, the consensus is "never going there", "Don't ever move there" and "I used to live there and would never go back".
As for tourism, rarely does someone mention wanting to visit Chicago, because so many people talk about the crime here.
An increase in tourism? Not likely.
HAHAHAHA! With our clueless mayor trying to refuse convention business and even PHYSICALLY PROTESTING (July) against them, who could believe MORE tourists are coming here?
Can we also get the statistics on how many tourists were robbed, raped, beaten, stabbed, shot or killed.
"Nothing will work unless you do"
Maya Angelou (Poet)
(And Former MADAM)
Not sure if you all saw this...
Rahm Emanuel, Ex-Chicago Mayor, Is Going to Wall Street
He is joining Centerview, a boutique investment bank, as a counselor to large firms
By Liz Hoffman
Updated June 5, 2019 9:26 pm ET
https://www.wsj.com/articles/rahm-emanuel-ex-chicago-mayor-is-going-to-wall-street-11559760420
I know Rahm and the other tourism officials have pounded and stretched the truth more often than a Taylor Street pizza cook, but nowadays you have to count the AirBnB's. They're here to stay. So are the ride-share companies. Welcome to the 21st Century.
NW burbs. I spend as little time in the city as possible. My travel downtown has gone from maybe 20-30 visits a year, to maybe 4-5. I showcase all the shootings and crime on FB to let everyone know what a shithole management has turned it into.
Thank you guys for your efforts!!!
I would not believe anything that lying dick-head Rahm says. Especially if he says he lives in Chicago.
Goomah? You're making me blush.
Since Chicago is a Sanctuary City, all the " New Americans"and their Chain Migration is crunched into the numbers. Some might refer to them as Illegal Invaders.
Don't forget the Guest Worker's on those H-1B Visa or referred to as Job Stealers are also probably counted. The multinational corporations use these workers primarily from India to avoid payroll taxes.
The 1965 Immigration Act was enacted to inhibit European migration. This opened the flood gates to destruction of all these third world migrants who have been lured by free stuff.
The commie Jacob Javits was behind the Hart Cellar Act of 1965.
57 million tourists, if they all spent ONE night in a hotel per year, would be over 78000 room nights, every night of the year, if 2/room. Admittedly not all stay overnight, some sleep at grandmas in Oak Lawn, etc, but thats 156 thousand tourists walking around EVERY DAY.
Siri says the city of Chicago is 234 square miles. Spread the tourists out and thats 667 gawkers per every square mile, every day. Divide the citys' population of 2705994 by those 156000 daily tourists and 17% of the population walking around is a tourist.
I am not calling anyone a liar, but theres the math.
In Moscow you can always find party. In Chicago party always finds you.
5 yrs ago When I was working Michigan Avenue in the summertime, I would see Asian people probably from China by the truckload walking like an army division to water tower place. And every one of them came out With at least one bag. They come here and they spend money big money
They come for the Pizza and stay at the Morgue until their Funeral.
That’s 1,115,000 tourists per week! Which is about 160,000 a day! How many hotel rooms does the City actually have? So at any given point in time, on average, the City has under 2,700,000 residents plus 1,115,000 visitors during the week? 😝 Maybe they are counting visitors from the burbs going to the ghetto to buy heroine and crack? Or maybe a suburbanite driving into Chicago for a quick service like “boom boom yum yum?” Did tiny dancer count these too as tourists?
Chicago Tourism Announcement: Come to Chicago for the food and skyline ... stay because you were murdered!”
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Lori is no different than Rahm. Two democratic socialists who hare police and pander to ghetto rats. More and more I believe Rahm cooked up the whole Lori election with the help of Chris fusco at the times and Dold at the tribune. Rahm’s scum people remain in key positions , no cutbacks of democratic patronage workers, and an increase of community people and folks at the city and lgbtq Warriors.
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BINGO!!! One has to be blind not to see it. City only needs to cut the workforce by 10% to close the $750 M budget gap. Tons of patronage jobs still exist! Two secretaries in a lot of stations at City Hall when only one is needed. Next Lori will ask Joe Taxpayer to bend over and open his wallet! Machine is live, well and getting fatter by the day!
Chicago does have a ton of things to do for tourists and has since I was a teen 20 years ago. But back then, people could stay at a hotel and park overnight - now hotels are $300 to $500 before heavy taxes, overnight parking is $60 plus! A lot of museums were free are now $100 for a small family. Crime used to be in the ghetto now it is everywhere!!!!
7:52 - I showcase all the shootings and crime on FB to let everyone know what a shithole management has turned it into.
That’s what you spend your time doing? You live in the NW burbs and have nothing better to do than sit and comment here and complain about a city you don’t live in and never visit??
This is like the end of the war where the loser still believes he has bodies to save the day. No one is coming.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Not trying to be an asshole here, but think about it. What is worth a visit besides Chicago in the upper Midwest?? Milwaukee? St. Louis? Cleveland??? Detroit or Indianapolis??? Petty cities with even pimpier states. There’s definitely a draw in this god forsaken city of ours...just out of convenience!!! Their culture is stale their attractions are minimal. Their tourists come HERE to get away from their monotony.
East coast and West coast tourists come here out of curiosity. They have access to MULTIPLE cities already near them and most likely visited. Chicago stands out as unique and DIFFERENT than what they experience.
9/09/2019 12:54:00 AM
So do you think their figures are inflated? I'm curious what you think about the numbers. You don't ever say. I wonder if they are counting how many hoodrats are coming in to bring drugs and guns to the city from those bad old states like Indiana. They too are visitors. And how many illegals, another block of visitors. Though Groot would be happy to welcome them all and ask them to stay.
"Pimpier states"? I'm not sure I know what you mean by that. Wisconsin is a vastly prettier state than Illinois. They claim to have had over 112 million tourists in 2018. Ohio, Indiana, Missouri and Michigan all have some pretty parts to their states. Illinois is one of the worst run states in the country, but pimpier. I'd use other terms for it. I grant you the cities you mentioned might be called gritty but then so is Chicago. It's just bigger. Are cities "petty" just because they are smaller in size. Culture, well of course there tend to be more art galleries, museums and such in bigger cities. Though I wouldn't call modern art culture. And where to those wanting to get away from the monotony and lunacy of Chicago go ... A red state.
According to a Rockport Analytics study commissioned by Visit Indy, 28.6 million visitors came to Indianapolis in 2016, the most recent year I could find. The Detroit area claims 19 million tourists in 2017. In 2018, Destination Cleveland claimed the city attracted 19.2 million visitors. In 2016, 23 million tourists visited the Milwaukee area. St. Louis hosts more than 25.8 million visitors each year according to the explorestlouis website. All manipulated figures too? Interesting that Detroit metro residents are closer to Toronto (206 miles) than they are to Chicago. I know which one I'd prefer visiting, even as Canada is today. It's approximately 350 miles from Chicago to Cleveland. How many tourists visiting the city would drive that far or take another flight to see Cleveland? East and west coast tourists come to the city to visit friends/family or on business for the most part. People from "petty" states, stay home, stay safe.
SCC, I'd appreciate you publishing this as it is relevant to the thread and I do offer some comparison numbers. I bat about 50/50 with ya. lol
Statistics from the Washington DC Tourism Council indicate..."Tourism in DC hit a record 22 million domestic visitors in 2016 and is expected to increase 2-3% into 2020. The greater Washington metro area is home to over 700 hotels, including those located within the DC proper, and having 3,000 hotel rooms under construction and another 6,000 in planning stages."
A Google search for Chicago states...
"As of September 2018, the Chicago Central Business District offers 132 hotel properties with 43,018 rooms."
So, to say that "58 million tourists" visited Chicago, the nations "Murder City" over app. 25 million in DC, the nations Capital City, is pure BS.
Perhaps IF they got the Chicago stats people that do 'tourism' to do 'murders and shootings,' we'd have truer stats.
Funny but I live here and won't go downtown. Nor will anyone I know.
They surround you now. At event lines, theater openings, restaurant wait lines. Like jackal's looking for a weak antelope while the cops are all busy not getting indicted.
Even worse these shitholes scan you for weapons now. Imagine 3,000 middle class and upper middle class people paying $150 a ticket, average age 50yo, bringing in a Gat to shoot the place up? Fucking idiots!
And worse case is a mob of 16yo aspiring rappers surrounding you. Who fucking needs it?
For those complaining about how expensive it is to visit and how it’s also a ghetto (but they never visit). Don’t worry, people with more money are taking your place. That’s why hotel rates are continuing to rise - demand is there even without you. Most people understand that the per capita crime rates aren’t as extreme as you seem to think, and even then - the VAST majority of that is from areas they won’t go anywhere near.
I missed the details around why these numbers are suspicious, but if Utah can get 10M tourists, with nothing but a crappy religious cult and undeveloped land, I’m not doubting that the Chicago number can be 5x that. Do we always see YOY growth? I agree there’s reason to be skeptical there, but I doubt is as extreme as some are claiming here. The downtown areas continue to see development and positive population migration, while the south and west sides are largely responsible for the crime and population exodus numbers. The city is just continuing to follow the trend of other major cities... cater to the wealthy and let gentrification remove the infected areas.
Let’s keep it going!
8:41 - you sound like the biggest snowflake on the planet. As someone who lives and works downtown (for over 20 years), I’ve never been robbed, assaulted or preyed upon by a “jackal”.
Most cops aren’t spending their time trying to avoid an indictment, most do their jobs, and Chicago has one of the safest downtowns of any major city.
But go ahead, cower in your corner and stay home because you are afraid from a couple of headlines you can’t contextualize. I’m sure medieval times is providing you all the great cultural experience you need
@9/10/2019 10:30:00, True there will always be rich SJW types willing to pay the price and of course they understand the young feral thugs are all just a misguided lot persecuted by the cops. And the mean old Chicago cops persecuting Juicy Smellit. And of course they types embrace the illegals coming to the sanctuary city. Just keep on taxing and the smart middle class folks will continue to leave the city and state, if they can. The very wealthy elitists are able to afford their own private security and can do all the virtual signaling they want via social media.
Chicago has always been a big convention city, so one would expect high numbers in that regard. But regular folks from the burbs and in the states that read the papers, what do they hear about the city. Nothing good. So why come to the city at all if you don't have to. You comment about Utah but they have some great National Parks. Zion had something like 4.5 million visits last year alone. Interesting bit I read by a blogger that visited the state. “We’ve seen a huge influx in visitors since Utah started marketing The Mighty 5 a few years ago,” a Ranger at Salt Lake City’s Timpanogos Cave National Monument commented. The state has been so successful, that lots of people fly into Salt Lake and then stop here on their way. We’ve especially noticed the dramatic increase in international visitors, where I think the campaign has been most influential. Whether it was Zion, Bryce, Capitol Reef, Canyonlands, or Arches, each of Utah’s five National Parks was inundated with foreign visitors; such that at every site I heard more non-English (particularly German) than America's primary language".
Crime did not used to not be a regular thing in the better areas, now it is. I remember a 30 something couple carjacked last year in Bucktown, their 2018 Range Rover taken at gun point at 9:30 in the morning as the woman pulled out of their garage. Will this young couple really want to raise a family in the city when the burbs are so much safer from violent incidents like this? My late wife would have been insisting we get out of the city. But maybe the new breed of cat likes the excitement. These feral animals are roaming in the better areas looking for easy prey. But you are right there are fools that will take their chances even when they have many choices. Oh yes I know per capita there are other cities with much higher murder rates. That hardly matters to the person looking down the barrel of a gun as they are robbed of their possessions by a scumbag that could care less about killing you.
@3:29 - no, not SJW. Just capitalists who know how to keep up with an evolving economy to earn money and not worry about the expense of living in a city - and also able to have enough experience in the city to not be afraid of a couple of newspaper headlines pushing the south and west side carnage to be afraid of the whole city.
Someone was carjacked in buck town last year? Oh my god. It was also just last year that one of your “feral thugs” carjacked a father with his son in Naperville. It happens everywhere - and correct, I’m sure the person who experiences it has a very different opinion of the city afterwards. We just don’t talk about what happens in Naperville because nobody cares. The media hypes this stuff up to get eyeballs when it happens in Chicago, and you buy into it hard dude. It’s just that Naperville doesn’t make headlines because the media can’t get enough people to care about what happens in Naperville - because it’s just another suburb living off the runoff of Chicago. No traffic = no coverage. But if they can lump the south and west side headlines in with the occasional downtown high profile incident - then it becomes a city in crisis and you and the other snowflakes freak out about how “dangerous” it must be in a place you don’t live and now refuse to visit.
And I don’t care about your quote from a Utah park ranger. Utah and it’s cult are still lame as hell, and their quoted numbers have the same reliability problem. Plus... it’s still Utah.. I’d rather be shot.
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