Wolf! Wolf!!! Oh, Wait.....
Here's where the rumors started about sergeants having to check Reasonable Articulable Suspicion for each and every street stop:
- In light of a new report from a retired federal judge, the Chicago Police Department has agreed to find new ways to make sure that investigatory street stops by officers adhere to the Fourth Amendment.
After reviewing paperwork on nearly 8,000 street stops conducted by CPD officers in 2017, retired U.S. Magistrate Judge Arlander Keys found that there was a “broad-based failure by Department members to accurately report all ISR [investigatory stop report] data.”
For example, if an officer failed to fully describe the Reasonable Articulable Suspicion — “RAS” — that prompted the street stop in their ISR, supervisors would return the report to the officer and allow them to make changes to it, “in contravention of Department Directives … and in violation of the Fourth Amendment’s articulation requirement,” Keys wrote.
This is yet another glaring example of slanted "reporting." The supervisors weren't "allow[ing] them to make changes..." They were being shown the errors they had made in reporting and corrections were made. In more than half of these instances, corrections were made to spelling errors, proper grammatical tenses and subject/verb agreement issues.
Another sizable percentage was clarification of an issue that supervisors spotted in regard to what kind of call the officers were responding to - as in they left out pertinent information, and conscientious supervisors caught the error and had the officers correct it. In other words:
Another sizable percentage was clarification of an issue that supervisors spotted in regard to what kind of call the officers were responding to - as in they left out pertinent information, and conscientious supervisors caught the error and had the officers correct it. In other words:
- IT'S A TRAINING ISSUE, NOT AN EFFORT TO CIRCUMVENT THE LAW
There is a learning curve here, and unfortunately, with the recent downgrading of hiring conditions, the CPD isn't exactly populated with scholars of the English language. We make mistakes...and we correct them. As a matter of fact, every single revision to an electronic ISR exists in full form from now until the end of time. Every single revision is there to compare to a previous electronic version. And if someone is making up RAS to stop someone, then it would be obvious...even to a first year law student working part time at the ACLU and someone would be up on charges right now.
But no one is, because once again, it isn't happening.
But no one is, because once again, it isn't happening.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
60 Comments:
If a supervisor must respond to the scene and approve the probable cause for the stop prior to the officers conducting same I have no doubt that the ACLU will claim that it is an illegal detention and demand compensation.
If enacted their will be no more street stops.
It doesn’t change anything. I’m still not doing one. FETAL.
Don’t newspapers have editors? And yet those dipshits still publish things incorrectly all the time.
why is anyone stopping anyone today in this ungrateful shit-hole city ???
Some officers need to bone up on the law, some supervisors also. A sergeant telling a PO to stop a subject because he is hanging out on a corner with a chip bag completing hand to hand transactions don’t cut it no more. Let these street corner drug spots sell all the blows they want.
a very easy solution. one that should have already been implemented. The pendulum is starting to slow.....patience is a virtue.
Keep working hard!
So every report can be sent back for corrections but you only get one shot for an isr? The judge and aclu are idiots if they think the cpd can commit a conspiracy. Jokes on them.
Judge sounds a bit like a "Restorative Justice" type.
Magistrate Judge Arlander Keys rose from the cotton fields of Mississippi to the federal bench by educating himself, persevering and working hard. Keys shares his perspectives on his life - from his time in the Marines and law school, to eventually becoming a federal magistrate judge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXv7anhiIBY
The poster is wrong....It isn't a training issue usually. It is laziness. That is it. The copper does not want to write a fricking book about some jag-off he stopped for selling weed. That's it. So the Sgt's are doing exactly what a supervisor is supposed to do. Talking to the copper and finding out what actually happened and making them write exactly that. Not taking the easy way.
The "judge" who wrote this who found above 90% compliance with this agreement and the laws since its inception and kept trying to find new things wrong to extend his contract and keep getting an easy paycheck (who supposedly was fired) may have an ax to grind since his paycheck has been cut off, ya think? May be worth looking into...
Opps caught red handed.
Sgts being told in New Sgts class to reject all ISR as deficiency reject. FRU will then make determination as to whether it's a good ISR or not.
There is no such thing as reasonable suspicion anymore, stop no one, arrest no one unless complaints are signed, just made our job easier.
Another big portion of the rejected ISRs have to do with explaining in the narrative why the officers didn't issue a receipt. The ISR review unit loves sending naughty lists with that reason.
Not to be the grammar police, but I just shake my head when I see how case reports (and comments here) are written. Just what are they teaching in schools these days? Oh, wait. Silly me. We all know the answer to that question. And it is definitely NOT spelling, syntax, grammar, etc.
We are one of the few Cities that cater and cave to the ACLU and activities demands. It’s an embarrassment. Make them take us to court for every issue.
So a camera on an officer chest is enough either?
A camera on a squad car is insufficient?
YOU actually need a white shirt next to you to conduct an investigation?
Why stop there how about traffic stops?
If they aren’t selling drugs or shooting people where you live them who cares. It’s what they want, it’s what they voted for.
It's the liberal SJW mindset coming out in this retired judge......
Supervisors are SUPPOSED to supervise and help. But no.....
The judge starts with the premise of bad stops.....illegal stops.
Police are BAD, "Criminals are only criminals due to poverty" bullshit.
We all racist meanies .......overloading it in the black/brown communities....
Never taking it into account that the communities are overstocked with police
because that is where 90% of the CRIME is happening.....that is where CITY HALL
has decreed that police need to BE!
Just another dumbass judge who didnt take the time to understand the reality of
the situation as a whole......just like how we got the illegal Consent Decree.
And the honorable Arlander Keys is also (you guessed it and who would have known) a friggin Democrat. Once appointed to something by our guy Durbin.
Everyone knows the answer, no more stops.
In the era of crimeshsa it severs no purpose whatsoever.
Thank you Garry McCarthy for getting us in this mess. Jackass
Worst Supt ever
This is all about the dollars and keeping this agenda and problem alive. What it is ignored is the fact that stops are down to practically nothing with officers making errors in syntax and grammar. The game is the goofs in Murphy’s unit that unmercifully fuck with people they dislike which has created this false narrative. As more CPS graduates are hired the level of incompetency continues to rise.
Great Ceasar's Ghost! Will this ever end?
Simple.
UHere is how you solve the problem.
STOP DOING ISRs.
The problem is the suckholes who want to hang onto their "early car".
I wonder what crooked democrat political hack made the phone call to make this mope a Federal Magistrate? They don't have a test! LOL Police hating dimwit Bobbie Rush, perhaps?
What is this ISR you speak of?
Just a component of depolicing. Out-of-town Mayor implementing the commie Fed Plan for her Masters.
Anyone picketing today wesring a Red Shirt needs a History lesson on Soccialis,>>Communism.
Google: Holodomor and look at the photos to see what they have in store for us.
The ability to spell a word or construct a sentence has never been a requirement on this job.
The slanted, lapdog media never let facts get in the way of pushing their agenda and bashing the police.
The low information populace just laps it right up
ISR's were invented by the ACLU attorney's. Don't stop anyone. Arrest ONLY on signed complaints. Court sergeant to handle!
Don't stop anyone!!!!!
It’s sounds like my ex. No matter what you do it’s never good enough. You either don’t do enough or you are doing to much. That’s why you have to say fuck this. Get away from the drama.
Just join the Fetal Club, sit down, and enjoy the shit show.
look boys and girls , don't get your boxers or thongs in a knot
calls of suspicious person with a gun , selling drugs , respond , drive slowly with spot light on the location , hazard lights flashing and if you want turn the alley lights on .
code 5-P, 5-E,5-D. whatever you decide unless the person has gun in hand and a kilo in his other hand
we don't live in the shitholes where honest citizens can't leave their kids go out and play , can't leave doors unlocked , windows open . eventually they will vote the police hating politicians out of office .
how many sir , blue cards are initiated by supervisors , including Eddie Johnson , he never sees any suspicious activity , never responds to a hot call mmmmmmmmmm
Like that stupid ISR receipt. What if I just simply forgot to give that receipt. now they kicking back that report and they want you to explained and. Here is the reason you dumb asses I just forgot to give that freaking receipt.
Anonymous said...
There is no such thing as reasonable suspicion anymore, stop no one, arrest no one unless complaints are signed, just made our job easier.
10/28/2019 04:06:00 AM
There is nothing that says you have to lock someone up on "signed complaints", complete the proper GOCR and advise warrants. When the person appears before a judge and a warrant is issued, someone can "go look for" the offender and lock him up.
Sounds like bad news for the sgts.
OT SCC...you should do a piece on what an embarrassment Eddie Johnson is by not attending the IACP today. Didn’t Eddie say something like, “there’s nothing the President is going to say that I agree with.” I may be off on the exact quote. What I heard Trump say today was the praise for numerous heroic actions of police officers. One of them being CPD Officer Wazney. It’s disgraceful that Eddie wasn’t there to hear the stories. It’s sick!
Anonymous said...
If a supervisor must respond to the scene and approve the probable cause for the stop prior to the officers conducting same I have no doubt that the ACLU will claim that it is an illegal detention and demand compensation.
If enacted their will be no more street stops.
10/28/2019 12:08:00 AM
Stupid POs should had learned this back in the Obama years
As a supervisor I regularly have to reject isr's because the narrative does not reflect what has been checked in the check boxes. Without watching the bwc footage I don't know weither the narrative is right or the check boxes. Alot of times you can tell from the narrative that certain check boxes that are not picked should be. Asking the officer to clarify is not a conspiracy it is just tightening up the paper work. And in no way does it indicate that there was insufficient ras for the stop. The arbiter is showing his bias by making that claim. That claim is reckless and despicable because this report will be taken at face value as a sign that police are not acting within the law when they are in the vast majority of instances and this harms their ability to do their job without additional resistance. Fuck him for that!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Not to be the grammar police, but I just shake my head when I see how case reports (and comments here) are written. Just what are they teaching in schools these days? Oh, wait. Silly me. We all know the answer to that question. And it is definitely NOT spelling, syntax, grammar, etc.
10/28/2019 04:43:00 AM
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I say the same thing especially with spell check and grammar check programs, lol.
Fuck the ACLU and ISR's !!!!!
Listening to Rush Limbaugh right now he is talking about "drunken ed," and the mayor lori defending him! Great thoughts from Rush! He calls Lori "mayor lori lightweight,!" World news radio mayor with your pet Eddie! Pathetic,lying police boss just like his exempt staff throw the whole bunch out on their scared asses!
Cashing in the energy they squirreled away during their long summer vacations, teachers are protesting Trump today
Democrats want lawlessness. Measure after measure is being thrown at us in order to discourage proactive police work, and yet I still hear the nitwits out there hustling over the radio. Give them what they want
Do t do any stops and this won’t be a problem
Here's an idea. Make every unit a two man Unit. One Blue Shirt and partner is a White Shirt. This way every encounter will be Supervised. That will bring a Stop to all this B.S. The City afford it. They just gave another Union 16%.
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Anonymous Anonymous said...
Not to be the grammar police, but I just shake my head when I see how case reports (and comments here) are written. Just what are they teaching in schools these days? Oh, wait. Silly me. We all know the answer to that question. And it is definitely NOT spelling, syntax, grammar, etc.
10/28/2019 04:43:00 AM
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I say the same thing especially with spell check and grammar check programs, lol.
10/28/2019 12:48:00 PM
I’m a total grammar nazi and I know SCC has its rules about it, but some of the comments here are so bad that you wonder how they ever got through schooling. Lose/loose, their/there/they’re, “supposably”, no punctuation...stuff like that makes me cringe. I’m no scholar, but at least know how to convey the story and use the proper and correctly spelled words. It does reflect on you even if you think it doesn’t.
As as Sgt. I never kick back ISRs, I approve all of them. If the officer took the time to do one then I approve it. I never wanted my name tied to a ISR that gets rejected that the ACLU gets a copy of. Let the brain trust downtown kick it back or give me more training. In 2–3 years the ACLU is gonna file a class action lawsuit on all the ISRs rejected claiming its a conspiracy to deny citizens their constitutional rights and all the Sgt.s and PO’s who are tied to these rejected ISRs are gonna get caught up in it.
I would be shocked if there were 200 ISRs citywide next year.
The surest way to avoid trouble is to do nothing.
Thank you Garry McCarthy for getting us in this mess. Jackass
Worst Supt ever
Absolutely in total agreement.
Don't stop anyone. Don't do an ISR !
Raise the standards to get onto this job and you can eliminate most of the problems. Simple
ISR's were invented by the ACLU attorney's. Don't stop anyone. Arrest ONLY on signed complaints. Court sergeant to handle
ACLU, SPLC, ADL all the same group of lawyers. They sure love their acronyms.
Every time you save an ISR, it becomes readable by the ACLU and reviewing judge. However, it can only count against you once it is Submitted.
In light of this, I enjoy putting in my rough draft narrative such things as
Our command staff is brutal
The ACLU are racist
Epstein didn't commit suicide
I then save, erase, and write my actual narrative to submit.
Gotta have fun where you can, people.
Here's an idea. Make every unit a two man Unit. One Blue Shirt and partner is a White Shirt. This way every encounter will be Supervised. That will bring a Stop to all this B.S. The City afford it. They just gave another Union 16%.
10/28/2019 10:07:00 PM
Didn't they do something similar with fire dept ambolance. one is a paramedic and one paramedic held slightly higher rank
I thought there was a college requirement to get on this job? Reading reports, you wouldn't think so. More like 2 years of Kindergarten.
Raise the standards to get onto this job and you can eliminate most of the problems. Simple
10/29/2019 01:55:00 PM
Most people who are actually qualified to do this job are smart enough to do something else. Raise the standards and you severely limit the number of applicants, especially those of certain preferred racial groups. There simply aren't enough qualified people left who are interested in taking this shit job, so we get the rejects, with their lower intelligence, lack of street smarts, mental issues, learning disabilities, social disorders, and the ever-present sense of entitlement. Then you have street stops with no justification, arrests with no probable cause, and all kinds of other problems. It's a recipe for disaster.
Sgts being told in New Sgts class to reject all ISR as deficiency reject. FRU will then make determination as to whether it's a good ISR or not.
10/28/2019 03:44:00 AM
They're training the new sergeants to do their job wrong? What happens when the new sergeant rejects every ISR, but there's nothing wrong with them? What reason is the new sergeant giving for the deficiency reject? Not sure if you're trying to be funny, just stir shit up, or if you're just clueless. Or maybe the training staff really is that dumb. Either way, I'd recommend that no sergeant deficiency reject an ISR unless it should be a deficiency reject.
Dont fucken make street stops..there next topic move it on.
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