Fetal Writ Large
Remember all those people who DIDN'T sign up to be sergeants? They look like the smart ones now:
- A solution for the recent issue of ISR’s being revised multiple times, in violation of the consent decree, has been thrown around — have a Sgt on scene for ALL street stops requiring an ISR. The details are in the preliminary stage, but basically a Sgt would be required to approve probable cause on scene. If everything appears legitimate, they’re on their way. If the reason for the stop is questionable, the stop would be terminated immediately. A sgt would also sign the ISR receipt the same way they’d sign a TSSS card.
This isn’t certain, but just be prepared Sgts. You are going to be responsible for the stops under your command one way or another.
This is a sure-fire way to kill the proactive street stop.
Labels: department issues, rumors
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
91 Comments:
They need to hire a lot of Sergeants. Need one to ride in every car with officer
LMAO that is all.
Here's the deal. Don't do stops. Period.
LOL, you thought jack schidt got done now? ahahahahahahahahahahaha.... wait for a Sgt. to have to mosey on over to the Stop to evaluate, make a determination, and sign off on the the ISR Trick Bag...
How many Sgt's you got? How many working vehicles you got? How bad is traffic (because no one's running lights and sirens to that bullshit)....
Time to get the 200# sack of popcorn.... and best to not be anywhere in the unfriendly confines of Chicago/Crook County because it's gonna be a shitshow of epic proportions.
Heh...
Watch the clouted, hooked-up and taken-care-of
merit Sgts turn themselves inside-out to avoid
"being held accountable."
A lot of merit dunces are going to be whining
about how this will upwardly fuck their planned
upward trajectory with CPD...
"Tweet Culture"
"Instagram Life"
The inability to distill and convey thoughts and
ideas/ideals in anything other than text format
being the reason for so many "do overs?"
Hoooo...
THIS shit...
Has potential to be very entertaining.
But.
Time ain't nothin' but time...
Right?
Perhaps doing it the old-fashioned way can help?
You know... Hand-written rough draft before you
commit those keystrokes to forever possibly being
weaponized and used against YOU.
Give them NOTHING to hurt YOU with.
Protect yourselves from THEM.
Police Like You Have No Friends.
If this comes to fruition the Department is going to have to promote a ton of sergeants. The trick here is for everyone to conduct a street stop at around the same time causing a backlog of a demand for a sergeant. Hmmm, might have to have the invisible lieutenant show up. Make the demand enough times and the Department will rewrite the order. Overload the system and bring it to its knees.
Wow. Well, guess I’ll stop studying for the Sgt’s test. Noooo thanks.
Too freakin’ funny. Sgts running all over the district from end to end. So stupid. Don’t make stops, people. How much clearer do they need to make this?
The Pro active Street Stop has been dead since ISRs began.This new nonsense is good news.It will now stop the demands from Commanders and Watch Lieutenants for ISRs.
Guess what I'll tell my guys to stop no one. I could care less what happens in the ghettos. I don't live there and either do the guys that work for me. Fuck EJ and this city.
I will say it- getting made is no longer worth it. Why be responsible for anyone but yourself?i trust me, I owe it to myself, my family, and my future to have as little involvement with this city as possible till I can retire and move the hell out of this God forsaken hellhole.keep the stripes- I have made up my mind to be as fetal as possible till I can retire.
As for the money? Keep that too - l have my own. When I was a rookie , I took the advice of an old- timer, go back to school or get a trade and never have to work a second of ot. I went back and learned to fix appliances, it was the best part- time gig I ever did. Worked when I wanted, cash was good, and I never had to go hat in hand begging for red light ot, or rdo details. FU money is great, it solves love story of problems, if you don't want ot, it can't be used against you.
Three years left. I can't wait to be free of this job, free of this city. We were just talking the other day about how this job was 20 years ago- the changes that have come in that time have made it a job that I would never have taken , but time in is time in, a pension is a pension- I miss the grand furry, that was a nice driving car...I miss the job I used to know..
Let the chosen morons who can't pass the test have this job, this city will get just what they deserve when they have all earned not given bosses running every phase of this job.
Cant they just have a note from their mom to make a street stop ?what an absolute joke.
Hire only lawyers to be the police and pay them triple
Big Mistake.
You call for a sergeant it could turn into a half hour or longer shit-show depending how long you have to wait.
Then you would have to bring subject in do an arrest and release without charges. The morons running this dept.will just cost millions more in lawsuits.
Last time I checked, you dont need probable cause for investigatory stop.....you need reasonable suspicion.
So any sane patrolman is already fetal. The Sgts have been telling their guys for a while now not to do a fucking thing. Once a supervisor has to hold the bag, it’s a whole different story.
I’m too stupid to figure this out, so I called my supervisor and my sergeant said it was ok.
ER in 016 doesn't have to worry about those pesky street stops, he has hand wavers every time there police work to do. Cue up the whistle fellas.
Good! Implement this as soon as you can. Guys like Rod from 007 and Escamerit out of 025 will have a coronary. Those assclowns won't know what to do when Compstat comes up and their numbers are down. Zeroes will not be tolerated? Lol. Fuck you boss, pay me! Speaking of which, what is this Consent Decree doing about Escamerit? Having a crooked Commander in charge of a district, that the IG recommended be fired for stealing, kind of conflicts with the whole point of being monitored to prevent corruption doesn't it?
Looks like there will be a lot of Sargent viewing the underside of the bus if this is the new normal. They will be begging for you all to be Fetal if this happens.LOL.
Basically, tact teams will be given enhanced training on stops, and isr's.
Only tact will conduct stops.
Holy F*ck! Are you kidding me :-O hahaha wtf
I don’t understand what the issue is with revising a work document. Everyone in all types of work do it. These jerkoffs think because we are revising it means that we are lying. In reality, the guy writing it is a moron and can’t spell. They think that before the revision it said “R/O was traveling north bound and observed a black male sitting on the east side of the street. R/O made a u-turn, striking several cars and a baby, reversed, hit a puppy, and drove off to stop and beat the black man to death solely based on the color of his skin.” And then the sergeant looks at it and goes “listen kid, you gotta lie” so the kid changes it to. “R/o was traveling northbound and saw above subject running with a gun in his hand, stop revealed it to be fake but subject was placed into custody for damaging several vehicles, and hitting a baby and a puppy.” I could be wrong, who knows, maybe that is what’s happening. But I’m skeptical.
Are officers still doing street stops?
Your saying this is a way to stop all pro active police work?..Why has anyone been doing Police Work at all for the last 5 years????? dumb and dumber dudes.
I can see how this will end. The sgts will tell everyone to stop writing the stupid things. Many slow districts have one sgt logging the whole watch and sometimes the tac team as well. 20-30 cars on their log and they are going to be on scene for all these street stops, no fucking way. These federal monitors must have been sampling some of that herb a little early.
They have no clue to what a sergeant has to do already. Most of them only had a cup if coffee in a slow district before getting their "spots".
All sgts should be telling their officers to not make any stops unless they absolutely have too.
This sounds absurd. The only way you’re gonna get 1 iteration of an ISR is if the sgt writes it and approves it himself, or if changes are made before save/submitting. Especially now with the idiots being hired who do not know how to write.
Forget about the SGT's test. I can't believe people still sign up to be CPD.
I'm a Sgt, this better not be true. Should it be, I will give a direct order in private to the officers I supervise that they are not to stop anyone for any reason other than a dispatched job. No proactive police work, PERIOD!!!!!
No thanks to being a Sgt. These days in this shithole city!
I rather retire with my measly pension intact!
The sergeants are really going to do that?
And in other news.
Couple Accused Of Passing Gun Outside Gentleman's Club
Gonzalez has three felony convictions, including a federal drug case. Gonzalez is currently on electronic monitoring following an appearance in weekend bond court Oct. 13 at the Leighton Criminal Courts Building at 26th and California, where his bail had been set at $30,000.
https://patch.com/illinois/oaklawn/couple-accused-passing-gun-outside-gentlemans-club?utm_term=article-slot-1&utm_source=newsletter-daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter
“This is sure a fire way to kill proactive police work” ? Pro active police work is done post van dyke 2015. Of you are doing any type of policing you need to have your head examined
They have been handing out the answers for these tests. I don’t expect the average sergeant to be an expert in Constitutional law, JUST because they based a fixed Chicago exam.
I regret the day that I took the position. The money is not worth the stress that comes with the job. Figure out another way to supplement your income/pension
Anyone and I mean anyone that signs up for that test is out of their god damn minds. If you think that bump in pay and bump in pension is worth it you’re crazy. This department will and is holding the supervisor responsible for everything . It’s going to get real old when you the supervisor is called out on some bullshit traffic stop with questions like ,” can I write this ticket , Sarge?” Or, “ can I ask these guys to step out of the car , so I can search it?” So on and so forth. God forbid that something goes wrong and it ends up in a lawsuit, because the first thing that will come out of the coppers mouths is ,” but Sgt so and so I could do it .” Fuck this job !!! If you want peace of mind and low stress levels being a supervisor is NOT the way to go. Stay fetal . Enjoy Netflix and stay safe.
Since when do I need probable cause to stop someone on a street stop? Last I checked, I only needed reasonable suspicion. And how many sergeants do they plan on making for this wonderful idea? I had one sergeant covering the entire watch last night!
This is a way to fire Sgt's who got balls.
That’s great news. I hope they give me a white shirt.
This is how it will go, take a page out of the pursuit policy.
Beat #### show us on a stop at **********.
Beat ##10 TERMINATE!!
The hard chargers who do not know RAS / PC from their assholes will leave people no choice but to jam them up. Everything is on video and if they don’t heed the message, who can help them?
Whoever wrote this comment might be the reason we’re still struggling with street stops. REASONABLE SUSPICION not probable cause. And if you think it’s the same thing, you’re the problem.
Frankly, I’ve lost all interest in this job.
This is only gonna make The Sgt more apprehensive in making calls
Why anyone is doing anything is beyond me. The communists have taken over. With GAPA in the works for being civilian oversight, CPD is done.
Maybe this final nail will be enough to prove to these hard chargers that it’s not 2014 anymore. Just stop, think of your family and or future family. Law enforcement no longer exists in Chicago and having that hero fantasy in your head will get you in trouble. Copa is in full gear. You’ve been warned.
Here is an idea, make all blue shirts Sgts. Then make all Sgts Master Sgts. There, now every call and stop will have a Sgt on scene and when the fools on the street demand to see a Sgt, everyone on scene will be a Sgt. Problem solved!
Seriously, this whole Department has turned into a joke!
As a once hard-working po and sgt my thoughts on policing have evolved. It is now my highest priority to make sure officers do not jam themselves up due to a moment of adrenaline fueled judgement lapse. Yes, yes I know you want to catch that guy that ran from you although let’s face it you really don’t have strong RAS and if it goes bad they’ll make you the latest example. And I know you really, REALLY want to chase that car but trust me, it’s best if I just terminate the chase right away. It pains me sometimes too but I’d rather a hundred hot cars get away than one of us gets hurt (physically or administratively). Policing in Chicago in 2019.
I know SCC didn’t post this idea but the post in and of itself is why so many ISRs get kicked back constantly. “Have a Sgt onscene to approve probable cause for the stop, then they are on their way”. Well, you don’t need probable cause for an investigatory stop. You need reasonable suspicion for the stop. I think what this poster meant is that they need a Sgt sitting on their lap to articulate a reason why they are stopping someone. Having a Sgt show up to the scene after the stop already happened will do nothing.. the stop already occurred. The problem is that the geniuses on this job are unable to tell a reason why they stopped somebody. It’s not just young people it’s older guys too. Older guys are just used to stopping a car because it’s in a high crime area yet they can’t give any other reason why. Maybe a lack of brain power?? Not really sure. So this post is the perfect reason. Learn what reasonable suspicion is and learn what probable cause is and it will open up a whole lot of things on this job for you. For gods sake, this is 2019, google it or something...
CPD HQ Merit Hacks trying desperately to outdo each other violate the consent decree and the lowly patrol flunky gets the penalty box.
More bad decision making by Stuper-Intended Jugghaid SpecialEd and his Braintrusts of Merry Merits.
Only Sergeants should be allowed to make street stops for ISR’s ...I like it !
Heck, since they’re going to be running around to all these ISR events, have the Sgts do a few case reports too. This way they can “hold themselves down” on extensive paper jobs.
Nobody knows how better to a Patrol level job than a Sergeant, just ask them.
Help a Sergeant out - Don’t Stop Anyone.
Sorry. My wife and I were just talking about this stupid Sgt’s test. The pension would be better as a Sgt but my quality of life would SUCK. Got a much better gig now. No thanks.
Big Mistake.
You call for a sergeant it could turn into a half hour or longer shit-show depending how long you have to wait.
Then you would have to bring subject in do an arrest and release without charges. The morons running this dept.will just cost millions more in lawsuits.
Bringing a subject in to the police station constitutes an arrest. So why do it if probable cause has not been established. Just for a RWOC? Unlawful arrest lawsuit right there. On street stops, reasonable detention time would be somewhere around 15 minutes. No citizen has the time to wait an hour on scene for a white shirt. Depending on who’s judging but anytime longer than 15 minutes would constitute a seizure and if the Sergeant decides the RAS was insufficient then there a whole of different problems coming the blue shirts’ way.
I am sure there will be occasions where the person stopped will lose his patience waiting for a supervisor to arrive. What then? Sorry sir you can’t leave yet?
Proactive policing is D-E-D........ dead.
Proactive policing Is DEAD.
As a retired Sgt., glad I’m out of there. Good luck all and stay safe.
Only one's getting promised is the girlfriends, dips, and secrets
Not interested in being a fuck'n Sgt. Hell no !!!!
Fuck that...I don't stop anyone (racial profiling)!
The new progressive adjustment to the CPD ISR will allow officers to complete an ISR without stopping anyone. But must be vague enough as not to actually hint at identification. Example: “RO observed a bi-pedal subject running from the scene wearing outerwear top and bottom, and shoes. Subject was between 5’ and 6’5”, medium build, race unk, genderless. “
Submit for approval.
Desk sgt will now approve all ISR's before they are submitted.
Spring 2021 can't come soon enough......can't wait to see this city and state in rear view mirror.
"Hand-Off" Policing
Hut, hut, hut
The Sgt’s already don’t want to be involved in anything. They surely will absolutely not want to do this.
Put desk sgt back on street and make him or her the ISR responder.the desk Sgt knows everything.
Until the system is corrected so there is only the most minimal amount of favoritism….why try when the outcome has already been determined???
Wait until the which civilian oversight group is decided upon. Here's Alderman La Sparta explaining them to the trolls with cameras.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xcJx49frON0
If this is initiated I can see the ACLU then litigating that citizens are being detained in order for a supervisor to respond. That will be the end of street stops, which is what they desire
When I went to ISR training, I posed this exact question to one of the instructors.
I asked "Will all revisions be able to be seen?" The answer was yes. Right then I knew doing these was a really bad idea...
The OP is a troll. A funny one, but still a troll. It is hilarious reading all the pearl-clutching sergeants sweating bullets and chewing their nails. But you cannot legal detain anyone, without PC to arrest, for longer than it takes to dispel the original suspicion. So, no, you can’t keep the guy until some SGT comes back from her lunch at her house in 022 to approve a report.
10/27/2019 01:01:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Hire only lawyers to be the police and pay them triple
10/27/2019 01:11:00 AM
If this ever happened, the claim that police are corrupt wouldn't be such a stretch of the imagination as it is now.
I wouldn't want to be a sergeant if you gave me 10 Harley-Davidson motorcycle's.
Smart Sgt. will immediately hammer the first 2-3 guys that call him for this, thus ending ISRs.
I rather be a Sports Bettor!
That is less stress than being a Sgt.!
HA! HA!
Monthly ISR audits are scary
After this news you are going to see a lot more new sgts looking for an inside spot right after the sgts school. Can you imagine all the house mice making Sgt and then have to approve IRS that they no nothing about or have never written or done one
Tax here, tax there. Taxing the blue shirts everywhere. Now we'll need to grease the sargent's palm so she can respond on scene to approve the ISR in timely fashion. If she takes too long then the subject leaves. No ISR, no VRI.
Lol at some point you gotta have concern about the type of office that would even believe this to be legal, not to mention incoming future policy
We been here before..
Wednesday, January 13, 2016
"Contact Card vs. ISR"
(........SCC Historian)
29yrs on the job & 50yrs old..... hmmmm what to do what to do?????
Hey Sargent while your under that bus will you adjust the Brakes?
“This is sure a fire way to kill proactive police work” ? Pro active police work is done post van dyke 2015. Of you are doing any type of policing you need to have your head examined
10/27/2019 07:43:00 AM
Thought the same when I read it.
Big Mistake.
You call for a sergeant it could turn into a half hour or longer shit-show depending how long you have to wait.
Then you would have to bring subject in do an arrest and release without charges. The morons running this dept.will just cost millions more in lawsuits.
10/27/2019 01:23:00 AM
Umm... why would you arrest someone and bring them in when the plan is to RWOC? That makes zero sense. You seem very confused about a few pretty simple things. Please don't ever stop anyone.
I’m a company man, boss asks me to bring in activity I do as I’m told as should all of you !
0/27/2019 12:09:00 AM? All they need is to create a new "Corporal" rank. Kind of like the FTO? D-2 pay, and watch the wiser folk avoid it like the plague. P.O.s are smart enough to always lay it off on anyone of higher rank dumb enough to show up at the scene.
Read the Baltimore Consent Decree. It’s all in there. Now it’s coming here.
ISR's are a two page report that use to be called a FIELD CONTACT CARD. Thanks to the ACLU for implementing this report. These reports are stored and reviewed. What a JOKE. UNBELIEVABLE!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
29yrs on the job & 50yrs old..... hmmmm what to do what to do?????
Go down to HR and tell them you lied about your age when you came on and that you are actually 55
Luckily technology could save the day. Relay the video to Sgt desk and get quick decision. Dumb the job down even further in the process, as well as keep more tabs on the cattle for future culling of the herd.
Of course, There will have to be the requisite upgrade to the patrol/BWC video system to provide real-time uplinks, as well as secure live monitoring stations for every Sarge. City Mgrs contract process is open to bidders and now accepting cash, trips or prizes. Just like our pizza, we like Deep Dish.
any wise guy that calls for me will have sir approved but will receive close supervision , better be on beat , not leave assignment without notifying dispatcher , uniform ,grooming standards will be enforced .
go ahead hairless , make my day .
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