Quotas Again?
Some people just shouldn't be promoted:
- A certain [011 District] 3rd watch LT BUTT-ler is demanding we produce activity on fixed post (our clueless commanders favorite), demanding activity for officers who have seniority and are seasoned and have assigned beat cars, and if anyone who wants to keep their partners better start bringing in numbers.
The punishment will be partners broken up, officers pulled from their beats (some have handled the same ones for years), and moved about where needed despite some having the same start times since Evans was commander.
Meanwhile the commander wants certain areas patrolled more than others with numbers produced.....and its suprising these areas seem to have some relatives of his owning property, or some individual with aldermanic pull.
You have all these cops working in what is the biggest shithole in Chicago. Literally. You would have a hard time making the argument that anywhere else is worse in terms of crime for the past fifty years.
- Why in God's name would you alienate these officers if you want any sort of numbers and activity from them? You fuck with their start times and partners they trust and guess where your numbers are headed?
Perhaps the lieutenant is a failure at inspiring the troops? Perchance the Commander is too focused on his next bump and protecting properties that he purchased under questionable circumstances during the Officer Next Door program?
Regardless, if the Lieutenant is demanding numbers and threatening punishment for failing to meet those numbers, he is certainly going to put these demands on paper so everyone knows exactly what is expected of the officers.
Regardless, if the Lieutenant is demanding numbers and threatening punishment for failing to meet those numbers, he is certainly going to put these demands on paper so everyone knows exactly what is expected of the officers.
Labels: dumb ideas
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
79 Comments:
Ohio and Avers....The reason Columbus came to the New World in search of the best dope anywhere.....
It’s all from Cato
Cpd1: The time clock fixed the numbers problem..
Spencer has ruined the entire district. Coppers get beat up for 9 months of the year keep their heads up! He brings in 1160 and JB, PJ, etc three merit pricks who operate on their own schedule. Here is an idea let’s put fixed post on every block you stupid fuck!
Escamerit makes these same threats regarding blue cards every month.
DB could not make it by Noon for an 0900 start in Unit 189. I also believe he was dumped from that unit. Nice guy but he never had no activity himself. If true go fuck yourself DB..if not I take it back..
This all stems from Compstat. Compstat is evil. It embarrasses supervisors publicly in front of the entire command staff until they eventually usually cave and start leaning on the troops for more and more numbers. Then those same numbers from this year won’t be enough for next year b/c each year they have to be in the green, so they push harder next year. Compstat is the root of evil in our current department.
When willful ignorance is passed off as "supervision."
DO.
NOT.
LET THESE BAD bosses...
PUT YOU IN THE CIVIL RIGHTS AND ADMINISTRATIVE
JACKPOT OVER THEIR DEMANDS FOR "ACTIVITY!"
Stupid m/fers...
The push for "activity" and incompetent, ignorant,
uninformed/unenlightened and lax supervision has lead
to how many "Police Scandals" in Chicago?
It's like these idiot bosses are on the local media payroll...
You know... Exclusive rights to 24/7 coverage
of the next "Police Scandal."
-Chicago's Cops Have Done It Again!-
Just stop it already.
Pushing for "numbers" with all the current
adversarial scrutiny is the height of silly.
"We give you money, you give US a "Police Scandal."
How many Gold Stars are/were media leakers anyway?
Oh no! The consent decree monitor doesn’t want to hear about quotas, right? Beck won’t like it either. He said the CPD has to build “trust.” Quotas don’t build “trust.” However, quotas have made many many many meritoriously promoted up multiple ranks.
the biggest shit-hole in Chicago ???
more like the biggest shit-hole in the country
Great, if you thought I wasnt bring in numbers for your quota then...just wait, I can do less. Break up partner...ok I could careless. It’s not gonna motivate me to do more. We’re here for 9 full hrs anyway, I’ll see you at check off with my zeros boss.
What is it with these boss holes.
Spencer you better watch when they come for you.
Any G-Men out there want to look into this.
Signed,
NGJ
Selective Policing based on personal real estate interests orchestrated by the Command Staff of the 011th District?This sounds like an investigation that should be conducted by the Federal Government since it involves depriving citizens of essential Police Service and the threatening of Law Enforcement Officers who refuse to conspire with this Commander and his Captain & Lieutenants.They then could swing on over to the 025th District and have a look at what that enterprising Commander and Staff are up to.Interesting times indeed.
That's why you bounce without a partner, car or start time. When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose.
It's a rather retarded policy.
Taking officers off beats they are familiar with seems like it would produce inefficiencies and be diametrically opposed to the caps program. Oh well, who still gives a fuck ?
the military produced those giant moabs to bomb the caves in afganistan and maybe iran, but kinda ran out of targets. hate to see good ordinance rusting in a bunker. we also have alot of new pilots who dont get to do live weapons training anymore. so stricktly as an efficiency measure i think rolling thunder 111 is in order. give a one hour notice for 011 to meet at the downtown grayhound station, free one way tickets to los angeles, where the weather is nice and the politicians are even nicer, and then give a contract to walsh const, a wholly owned division of vanecko worldwide, to build the worlds largest golf course. see how easy it is to solve problems when all the stakeholders and assorted didlers all come together?
Six inch snowstorm and forecast 10 below wind chills for tuesday, not exactly optimum traffic and street stop weather. Sorry boss, maybe in april we can shake the bushes a little for you.
Blame Lemmer and the constant compstat numbers game. Can’t actually just drive around and patrol anymore. They believe the only way to actually police is to produce numbers.
Over and over we read the same crap. You would think by now the dumb asses could think up a different line to threaten officers with. But when you are dumb you are dumb it doesn't change from day to day.
Good to see that the LAPD is getting some quality community range time. Maybe he can improve the CPD marksmanship.
Hey bright lites have you ever heard of Recorders? You all have one on your phone. The MSM would love a secret source slipping them the rope to hang another CPD member plotting against the community. Time for Deep throat to get active in Chicago. They all hate you anyways so what have you got to lose.
I remember a drunken old captain threatening to move people off cars stating, "these are MY cars, not yours". And the watch secretary always had his upper desk drawer open for the envelopes containing "holiday gifts", thereby securing your assignment and/or partner for another couple periods. The Chicago way.
Did Commander Spencer do his annual ethnic training? Did he receive a passing grade? Sounds like a conflict of interest with some financial interest. The officers in 011 are demanding an impeachment inquiry complete with whistleblowers to come forward with hearsay and 3rd party information. Commander Spencer has violated department violations until he is able to prove himself innocent. He must mount a defense against unnamed anonymous sources.
I think as part of the Inspector General's Inquisition into misconduct by the commander. His properties must undergo a stringent building inspection noting infractions ensuring the municipal building codes are adhered to under direct observation an independent federal monitor. Who better an example to follow the municipal code to the letter than a gold badged commander of Police for those under his supervision.
Section 8 has made many people rich from the urban community's demise. The concentration of the entitlement crowd who can afford the rent, light and stove bills, healthcare, food sustenance, etc. create and nurture a culture of violence, child neglect and embrace the illegal narcotics culture.
Its funny how these entitlement recipients can't afford the basics but have plenty of money to spend on guns, ammunition, forest of marijuana, high end top shelf liquor and flashy accessories for their cars. Commander your not only in the section 8 game but it directly affects the area you are tasked to police to the detriment of the law abiding citizens.
Anyone going to drop a dime on the lieutenant to the federal monitors of the consent decree were under? Its officers duty to report supervisors who talk about activitie like parkers movers etc. seriously they will come sit in his officer for a week minimum watching him and teaching him that part of the reason of the consent decree was that we have to stop demanding activity. They said that it damages relations in the community when were forced and hunting for tickets and arrests. This guy sounds like an idiot.
wasnt there an IAD investigation into Spencer over taking advantage of cops in neighborhoods grant. He bought a building and never lived in it? then as investigation geared up he moved into a vacant apt...? anyone hear this story before?
You cant come up with any numbers?
Im guessing that means NO arrest either.
Im also gonna guessing that when somebody needs a little help you are busy.
IM guessing you dont go to xmas parties because you hate the boss.
IM guessing you dont go to FOP meetings or train new people.
Heres the facts if you have that much time on BID out.
If you were that great an officer make a call and go to a unit.
Give the asshat a parker on a dope boy with those temp plate that area stolen.
Being hard headed is a rough way to live.
Im across the border in 010 i give them a few parkers at the dope spots on Roosevelt takes me about 7 minutes a day
Imagine a world where your boss asks for productivity at work? just want to come to work and drive around in circles and do nothing for this $80k~$90k? These childish attitudes are getting annoying. This once brave department is being infested by a group of chicken shits. Use your tuition reimbursement benefit and get another job. Leave guarding the gates of hell to the real men and women.
Back in the day, we used to have a lot of fun in 011. Not no moe.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Blame Lemmer and the constant compstat numbers game. Can’t actually just drive around and patrol anymore. They believe the only way to actually police is to produce numbers.
11/11/2019 04:17:00 AM
You can't blame Lemmer for this FUBAR. This is squarely on the shoulder of the inept command structure put in place by our lame duck supt, ETJ.
My personal quota is 2 cups of coffee a shift, 4 really stupid jokes, 3 personnel observations about my co-workers and to answer my calls in a safe and timely manner, also back up my co-workers where I usually make 2 of my 3 personnel observations.
First and the sixteenth is what a care about, nothing else. Do whatever you want to me I still not care.
Landlord boss. Wants to be the first wack-a-mole.
Spencer has been terrible. These merit friends he is brining in are a fucking clueless bunch of dopes. Fixed posts EVERYWHERE. I’ve never seen so many. He’s really killed the district. 011 has always been completely wild, but we usually have good bosses and sergeants. Now? 011 is still a murderous shit hole, but now we have shitty commander, shitty lieutenants, and some dick head sergeants walking around. Showing up to work is great. Can’t wait. Dickheads.
Just a copper from 011.
Shame on any blue shirt who brings in numbers during the cities own consent degree! If you did the training on line it said we are not to arrest or ticket our way out! When you know the general orders, You use it against the bosses! Let them break up partners, it will hurt a little but when everyone follows consent degree and mayor, remember we will not ticket or anov black and brown people our way out of this problem! Most importantly who's community gets hurt? Black and brown, with these policies!
to the earlier poster who thought LT DB was dumped from 189, the answer is Yes!! He was actually dumped twice. He did absolutely nothing there!!!!! I remember when he was in 189 as a Sgt. His team would be terrorified that they were getting dumped. I asked a guy I knew on the team and stated "it can't be that bad"? The guy told me that they hadn't pulled a RAID# in months. Not days or weeks, MONTHS!!! LT DB is the definition of a useless merit hack promotee. Not a surprise he's in 011 with another former useless organized crime merit hack Spencer. Thats why it doesn't matter what Beck or his replacement does. The real damage is the merit promotions, especially the last 4 years under Johnson. Johnson has single handedly promoted the dumbest and most incompetent boxes of rocks I have ever seen. I'm a test score Sergeant who is very human and makes mistakes. That being said I feel like a superstar compared to the idiots getting promoted by merit to every rank in the department. U almost feel like they take the worst of the worst. Not the best of the best. There are very good Sgts and Lts. They are usually just laying low trying to stay out of trouble now. They know there not getting promoted again so why should they bother. They have zero say on what everyone should be doing.
Three names, Antosh, Frano,and Smith. Ill labor Board decision from the mid 1980's. The FOP Should look into it. The IL Labor Board held that splitting up of partners in situations like this was punishment without cause especially if the supervisor did it for quid pro quo reasons and therefor a violation of the contract. The city was found in violation, the partnership was ordered restored and the city had to post in all stations the decision so officers were aware that the city couldn't do it.
Those that forget history are doomed to repeat it.
Demanding numbers in 011??? LMFAO. Fuck you. What you gonna do to me? You should just shut your mouth and be glad we show up to work this shithole.
Maybe the reason it was brought up is because there are no numbers coming in from some people. There’s no quota. None. You don’t have to enforce things you don’t see. On the other hand there’s nothing anywhere, contractually or anywhere, that says your seniority gets you a car, a start time or a partner. So, if you’re not doing anything don’t expect anything in return. Pretty simple concept. It’s been around a long time.
Record that idiot or get them to put it in writing.
I for one know that if you break up my partner and I, put me on a different car, etc, etc the first thing I’m going to do is run out and get heads and write tickets. My goodness what a simple solution to the department’s problems. Why didn’t someone think of that before. See that’s why we have that Lt. Oh, let me know how that works out for you.
District POs should post an announcement: Party Party Party time and place to be determined: time by God, cemetary by family. At his grave, wait for family to leave, but make your presence obvious and known. Disrespectful? You bet/ as the saying goes: what comes around goes around. Party hearty, officers.
I remember the old, old days when the watch commander would say he is getting heat from downtown and asked the watch to bring in couple of gun pinches. The watch would be tripping over each other bringing them in the front door that night. What happened?
I thought some of the south suburbs brass were stupid, but Chicago takes the cake for the sheer number of gold badge idiots.
Make a log of every time you're told to "get numbers" (date/time/who issued order/what they wanted done or not done). Even if order given by mouth and not in writing. Store your notes at home, NOT at work, and NOT on any Department-owned computer/cellphones. Make copies of any/all emails/memos/etc. also. Your attorney will thank you when you get disciplined (SPAR'd?) for not meeting an illegal quota.
CPD,the full suburban model will be upon you shortly......
It was great seeing him spin around in the middle of the roll call room like Maximus from Gladiator holding 2nd and 3rd watch stats and asking "When will I be entertained?!"
Meanwhile we can barely fill the beat cars on the late side.
Been going on forever and will continue. Show me a boss that was ever disciplined, suspended for it and I will show you 10 more that were promoted
merit lt in 4 disciplines working police for minor infractions
she won't write up people for beards , goatees , earrings , jewelry, unauthorized stocking caps , hoodies .
it might be a good place new Chief Charlie Beck to visit
way to many caps officers that do nothing , not even a parking ticket , anov , sir or blue card
waste of man power
If we start locking people up again then Groot and Eddie won’t be able to brag that crime stats are going down.
Didn’t Eddie say and issue an order to the effect that partners wouldn’t and couldn’t be broken up over activity?
Demanding activity on a fixed post?! Might be time for you guys and girls to contact the ACLU. I never thought I'd see the day where I'd recommend that. I loathe turning to the enemy but enough is enough. I'm sure the Lieutenant will shut the fuck up real fast once they contact him.
I remember taking an oath to serve and protect. I don't remember ever taking an oath to generate numbers so a bunch of retards can get promoted and make more money then the rest of us. You dumb exempts better get it through your thick skulls that the old ways of squeezing patrolmen for activity are over. If I got to wear a body cam and look over my shoulder every tour, you sure as shit aren't going to fuck with me over my activity or lack thereof.
fuvkit your already in 011 wtf !!! How much worse can it get
I wouldn’t bring in shit and let this motherfucker start to guck
With people and file a beef eventually he will do something
That you can beef about they always do there in those spots
Because how hard they suvk not how smart they are
Of course another merit hack.
It’s the bullshit compstat model. In no respectable management class will they encourage you to criticize subordinates in front it their peers. It turns people off, they get pissed, and fosters resentment. Whoever made this up should have been tarred and feathered.
What activity?
The strategic technological enhancements put forth by Team SpecialEd has done wonders for the community.
Folks just ain’t hanging out, dillin’, up to mischief and no-good like they used to. Seasonal greetings and chillin’time is upon us, the times is slowed down for now.
Albeit The 4th Running of the Jugghaid SpecialEd 500 is just 7 weeks and a mere 46 community misunderstandings away.
Can’t these maroons get that through their altered Merit minds, and where in the obama 21st Century’s Task Force mission and IL Consent Decree say that community activity is essential to building that community trust element?
It can’t be that just because there’s this unaffiliated interim sheriff in town and he’s going over the eligibility list, can there?
Goose eggs cannot effect the 1st and 16th.
Let them keep shifting folks around, if that’s all they got then it’s only a matter of time until their own goose gets cooked.
Don’t Act Stupidly™️
Stay Slumped
Let's put a multiple merit with a shady background in charge of the most violent district in the city.
Ain't merit wonderful!
It's not all about activity, but inactivity. You can be a dog, just don't act like one. Some bosses demand numbers, others demand activity, as in movement, patrol, handling jobs appropriately and not blowing them off, and to just act and look professional. Those bosses I'll take in a heartbeat. Just meeting those expectations should keep your car, your partner and your preferred schedule. But, of course, then we wouldn't be able to complain and use being a dog and acting like one to meet our level of disgruntlement.
Slouch.
Lean.
& Slump...
Can't wait fast enough to retire from this SHIT HOLE !!!!
Fuck him and his numbers!!!
Commander Spencer and associated white shirt lackeys,the same message that came out of the 007th District applies to you people.We are stuck in 011,what are you going to do to us?Lieutenant please stop with the threats.Do what you will and we all carry on.
These bosses should go learn how to be leaders from Chief Mancha.
inspector general and FBI look at his tax returns, mortgage application(s), real estate closing document(s) to examine his signature under penalty of perjury this goof signed off on these questionable real estate transactions with a public tax dollars credit(s).......then he rents them out to Section 8 public housing voucher recipients......
Anonymous said...
Escamerit makes these same threats regarding blue cards every month.
11/11/2019 12:28:00 AM
Escamerit is lucky he hasn't been brought up on charges for theft. Activity should be the least of his worries. Make sure you guys buy him a cake next month to celebrate his 4 year anniversary as Commander of 025. Is he still telling the CAPS crew he's going to make deputy?
Is factory job now.
Whistle blow, swipe out.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Imagine a world where your boss asks for productivity at work? just want to come to work and drive around in circles and do nothing for this $80k~$90k? These childish attitudes are getting annoying. This once brave department is being infested by a group of chicken shits. Use your tuition reimbursement benefit and get another job. Leave guarding the gates of hell to the real men and women.
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Imagine a world where the simplest mistake (sometimes not even your own mistake but someone else's) at work means you can lose your career, your personal assets, your ability to provide for your family, ect. Now imagine a world where you can do everything right, follow your training exactly as instructed, be in complete compliance of your work places rules, and still lose your job, your home, and future.
Ponder that for a little bit, while you punch keys at your desk job dipshit. And if you are a P.O., have fun listing your assets when you inevitably get tripped up humping for those supervisors who will turn their back on you the minute you step in shit.
Oh did i forget to mention that dumb ass Darrell Spencer pulled Sgt McKenzie from 007 to work in 11. Well Dumb ass McKenzie don’t know what the fuck he’s doing either. He drove Oy Weiss around for 3 years prior to that drove Dana starks around for 3 years, spent most of his career as a Sgt i school unit
It’s nothing strategic about him he’s useless too. You officers in 11 are fucked
Spencer should be in jail with the other johnson brother
They are still decent white shirts in 011. Fixed posts are perfect time to study for Sgt exam, put me on that fixed post till the exam, make it on my own and lead the guys the way they should be led, one thing I know, do not put anything in writing or text (also in 011)
Record him.
I’m sure the Feds would be interested.
nonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Imagine a world where your boss asks for productivity at work? just want to come to work and drive around in circles and do nothing for this $80k~$90k? These childish attitudes are getting annoying. This once brave department is being infested by a group of chicken shits. Use your tuition reimbursement benefit and get another job. Leave guarding the gates of hell to the real men and women.
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Seriously? Have you ever done a ride along or spent 5 minutes with a LEO or missed a family outing because some ahole did something that cause you to pull a 2 plus shifts day or wondered how you can go home to loved ones and get some mind shattering image out of your head or crap off your clothes before you walk through the door? Or you just want to come home and and hold your family then never let them go or know ypu can never share ypur day at the office with them? Clearly not any of the above. Otherwise you wouldnt have written this horrid snowflake post.
Im NOT a leo, not connected to a leo other thsn respect, and your post shows everyone who isnt the real man or woman: you. Let the leos alone and write whatever they want. Man up yourself butt head. This is a leo site. It's their bottled up voices finally getting the chance to freely speak, not ours.
God bless our blue.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
My personal quota is 2 cups of coffee a shift, 4 really stupid jokes, 3 personnel observations about my co-workers and to answer my calls in a safe and timely manner, also back up my co-workers where I usually make 2 of my 3 personnel observations.
11/11/2019 06:45:00 AM
lmao. Don’t forget your elearning though.
Crime prevention not BS quotas!
I love when idiot types say we have that new State law that outlaws quotas.....LOL.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Record him.
I’m sure the Feds would be interested.
11/11/2019 08:55:00 PM
Yea, they are sitting by they phones just for this big case. A blockbuster. Feds get made for taking up a case like this. You have been watching too many tv crime shows
Anonymous Anonymous said...
My personal quota is 2 cups of coffee a shift, 4 really stupid jokes, 3 personnel observations about my co-workers and to answer my calls in a safe and timely manner, also back up my co-workers where I usually make 2 of my 3 personnel observations.
11/11/2019 06:45:00 AM
And when you walk back to your squad car, your co-workers make personal observations as to what an arrogant, smarmy, a-hole you are.
It's Lt. not Sgt. I have bars
P.Mckinzie
I remember the old, old days when the watch commander would say he is getting heat from downtown and asked the watch to bring in couple of gun pinches. The watch would be tripping over each other bringing them in the front door that night. What happened?...
What happened was that many of the bosses changed. Those bosses you mention would take care of you. Last minute days off, "Gun days" at least in 011, via old Capt T.H. many perks for playing ball, and it worked both ways. Many of the current crop of bosses just want numbers with no reward to P.O.s. I think the biggest mistake is putting new bosses from slow districts into busy districts. You can't run 011, 015, etc. The same way you'd run 020, 016 etc.
These childish attitudes are getting annoying. This once brave department is being infested by a group of chicken shits
Tough shit this is the world created for Leo's. Answering the radio is the only thing any cop is requires to do.
Wow.... what’s the worst you can do me a PO in 011? Send them to midnights?
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