Wow. Just Wow (Rumor)
Someone asked why the Department kept extending the deadline to pay the fee for hte Sergeant's Exam. This would appear to answer that question:
- SCC, you know who in years past, we'd have tens of thousands of people signing up for the entrance exam, and how it fell off to less than 2,000 people per test three or four times a year?
Well, after weeks to register and two separate deadlines to pay your fee, a grand total of 875 (+/- a few) people are properly registered for the upcoming sergeant exam.
That's it. They've made the spot so undesirable that no one wants it.
875? And the lists usually last until around 450 people get promoted.
Someone has to track this one down, because this is a disaster if true.
Someone has to track this one down, because this is a disaster if true.
Labels: promotions, rumors
posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
92 Comments:
There are only around 1,200 sergeants and traditionally only around 900 take the test anyway. Many sign up and never show on test day. Many sign up just so they don’t have to go to work.
Around 3000 signed up.
Still a low number but alot don't have time on the job and MANY are going to be leaving. Like me... later!
Yea Baby
Seems like a lot of my friends have signed up. However, I’m not kidding, I have ZERO interest in the taking that test. Gold luck to all who chase that promotion.
Without knowledgeable sergeants on the street this dept will implode. So many officers can't make a simple on-scene decision and call for a supervisor. They are afraid of making a mistake or a complaint. Most can't articulate RAS, or PC. How many could do a DUI? I hand back about half of all TSSS cards for being incomplete. It will be the blind leading the blind.
Commander, Capt, Lt. will tell Sergeants, "tell the troops to go get activity and don't forget to swipe out"
Want a day off as a patrolman? Call 5 minutes before roll call.
Want a day off as a sergeant? It has to be in a month before and if there aren’t enough sergeants that day it’s denied.
That’s one example. I could give a hundred.
Does anyone have a guess? With the attrition of Sgts retiring or being promoted coupled with unassigned positions to fulfill Consent Decree ratios, what is a realistic number of possible hires off this next test? Thanks
I rather retire then become a Sgt. These days!
In hindsight and reflecting on this job for me for the past 25 years.
Not getting promoted to Sgt. has been the best thing to happen to me, money be damned!
Thats how much becoming a Sgt. SUCKS! 🚔
Soon for me, its see ya suckers! ✈️
Da Pelon
Shit...
I'll take the job. The only thing holding me back now is not having the college requirement. Been a cop over a quarter of a century and pretty much know the job inside and out. I can put in another 5-7 years on this miserable job and babysit the newbies. And before anyone chimes in about my not having college, I've been raising a family, paying a mortgage and taxes and paying for my children's education through their college years. So they wouldn't have massive debts when they've graduated. Family first then the job.
If the rumors of a 09 Dec class of sergeants is true I anticipate getting notified soon. Only I’m gonna tell Personnel they can move on to the next person on the list as I’ll be declining the promotion. Yeah it’s nearly a 20K annual bump with the differential. Yeah it’s an extra 45 minutes a day. Yeah I’d be able to sell back 200 hours a year. Yeah the pension would be +/- a G-note more a month.
But you can’t put a price on peace of mind. It simply isn’t worth the money to babysit 10, 12, 14 or more millennial assholes any given tour. In a shitty district. On a shitty watch. With shitty seniority. Seriously… I have never seen more inept people coming on the job than have in the past 10 to 15 years. No one can make a simple decision without conferring with the Sgt for direction. They cry when they don’t get a newer car. They cry when when they’re told they can’t have DOH with all of two years on the job. They cry if they can’t get an hour or two on the end three or more times a week. They cry if they’re assigned the hospital detail. Many can’t be bothered to show up for rollcall on time, and when they do show up their faces are glued to their goddamn smart phones.
And I’ll be damned if I’m gonna get caught in the trick bag because some entitled snowflake tried to run game being they’re too smart for their own good or get dragged into something like LMQ/JVD for simply approving a fucking case report. 20 or 25 years ago? Hell yeah, gimme them stripes because I’ll shoot for lieutenant next test. Now? Fuck that noise. It’s strictly by-the-numbers policing, flying under the radar and doing the absolute bare minimum until 55.
So you're telling me i finally have a chance to score in the top 800, yes!!
On face value, I find that number to be highly improbable and ridiculous.
I’d heard from a little birdie it’s in the 3,000-4,000 range, but I guess anything is possible.
Nothing would surprise me at this point.
Hell, if they don’t get enough applicants- they can just fill the spot by reverse seniority.....
After their 30% merit picks of course.
This once-great and proud department is doomed.
False 4300 signed up 3700 have paid
:O uh oh I might actually make *gulp*
Peeps reading SCC have just decided it's not worth it.
Why advance in a corrupt system. You just move up in
corruption level, become more compromised and more
tainted. Job ain't worth your life, you can make the cash
elsewhere. It's a fools game.
With some people, they need to have their entrance fee paid, then guaranteed a copy of the test so they don’t have to study.
I was told by HR that after the deadline was extended, close to 2,000 have paid
No way. How many people signed up for Bernstein, alone?!
What price do you place on your sanity. It should be a hell of a lot more than 15,000 dollars a year plus a few more perks.
The school teachers can all take off, no days off denied. This should result in huge pay increase for police.
“However, due to increasing numbers of teachers who are opting to use personal days to attend that day, we arrived at a point where we became concerned about classroom coverage and a safe and orderly day of learning," Thalheimer said. “We were beginning to exhaust our substitute pool and had more and more classroom settings that we could not cover.”
Not even close, Bernstein has at least 3000 who paid for his study grou0
I don’t know how accurate this is. I’m currently enrolled in Bernstein and I’ve seen the class sizes. I would say he has about 500 plus enrolled in this class
Arent there like 1000 people in Bernstein?
I was told it was over 2000 before they extended the deadline.
Xmas wish this year... Dear Santa, 012 District, (3rd Watch) would like a whole new crew of Sgt’s. With the exception of Sgt’s M and T. Thank You Santa.
And I’m sure all 875 are smart as a whip. We have some good sgts on this job. But we also have a lot of dumb mother fuckers. That will only get worse . Glad there is light at the end of the tunnel
It looks like the original author meant the recruit entrance exam. I don’t think we’ve ever had tens of thousands take the sgts exam
In slight defense of the numbers, although this is only one piece of it but the dept is very young with lots of new classes. I would bet that at least 1500 arent even eligible to take the test
I'm saying bullshit. From the looks of it, more people than that are taking the Bernstein class.
Rumor, was talking with a CFD buddy who said they are not swiping in or out yet but have been told it might be coming in 2020. Can anyone confirm.
Zero chance this rumor it true. It will be around 2500 at the least taking this test.
I gotz me multiple degrees
Baby sitting AINT my FORTE'
Watching officers on body cam not searching gun suspects doesnt get me excited
Approving contact cards that make no sense hurts my eyes
being detailed to Bud biliken doesnt rank in top 100 thing to do in summer.
Being on midnights in 003/011/007 makes me sleepy
DOING MY COMMANDERS paper work because since they dont know what a Statistical anomaly is!
I'm retired now but if I could come back this could be my chance to finally make Sgt. I figure it gives me a 50-50 chance of getting the coveted stripes. How do I sign up?
No surprise here, especially since you can get fired for approving a TRR.
So you're telling me there's a chance !
I filled out 70% of the application then thought why. Sure the money is good and the pension bump would be awesome but why. The blame is coming soon and the sergeants will be first in line. Answer your calls and drop paper. Back each other up and turn on your camera.
Totally not true, it’s 4984 that is paid for. Nice try troll.
I had to drive to some shithole to pay on time. If you can’t manage that you shouldn’t be a sergeant. Fucking bullshit!
They can keep that shit sgt job. I was doing real police work like a boss in 006 for years! Racked up 8 honorables and 2 complementary letters. I was the real police in 006. Now I made detective in A/S and these Sgts that I deal with got no knowledge of what’s what. It’s embarrassing. The departments spiraling down the toilet drain. And it’s blatantly obvious.
Good luck to all taking that B S test
Former Gresham Warrior now A/S D unit
F.E.
Not smart enough to apply, but smart enough to get a 100% on subjective essay test. Gotta love the CPD.
Fools game/you can't win
He comes as high season starts---snow, sleet, ice,
brutal winds. I don't think he thought this out well.
False. It will be around 4000
Lots of great coppers are retiring and that you’ve hired and promoted the Google police to Sgt who doesn’t know how to find a gun in the gun shop why would you stay around and take the test
Charlie always looked better in black and he said bull
riders always know when to get off. That's the LA vibe.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
If the rumors of a 09 Dec class of sergeants is true I anticipate getting notified soon. Only I’m gonna tell Personnel they can move on to the next person on the list as I’ll be declining the promotion. Yeah it’s nearly a 20K annual bump with the differential. Yeah it’s an extra 45 minutes a day. Yeah I’d be able to sell back 200 hours a year. Yeah the pension would be +/- a G-note more a month.
But you can’t put a price on peace of mind. It simply isn’t worth the money to babysit 10, 12, 14 or more millennial assholes any given tour. In a shitty district. On a shitty watch. With shitty seniority. Seriously… I have never seen more inept people coming on the job than have in the past 10 to 15 years. No one can make a simple decision without conferring with the Sgt for direction. They cry when they don’t get a newer car. They cry when when they’re told they can’t have DOH with all of two years on the job. They cry if they can’t get an hour or two on the end three or more times a week. They cry if they’re assigned the hospital detail. Many can’t be bothered to show up for rollcall on time, and when they do show up their faces are glued to their goddamn smart phones.
And I’ll be damned if I’m gonna get caught in the trick bag because some entitled snowflake tried to run game being they’re too smart for their own good or get dragged into something like LMQ/JVD for simply approving a fucking case report. 20 or 25 years ago? Hell yeah, gimme them stripes because I’ll shoot for lieutenant next test. Now? Fuck that noise. It’s strictly by-the-numbers policing, flying under the radar and doing the absolute bare minimum until 55.
I would like to shake your hand and buy you a beer. Be safe until your retirement.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
There are only around 1,200 sergeants and traditionally only around 900 take the test anyway. Many sign up and never show on test day. Many sign up just so they don’t have to go to work.
11/08/2019 12:10:00 AM
I can assure you part one of the last sergeant test there was considerably more than 900 people there. Especially because my final number was close to 2000 to hahaha
Eff that! Sergeants are the new toilet paper. If you don't have clout, don't even Think about wasting your time on that test. God help a cloutless Sgt. Nobody's friend, Everyone's fall guy.
Where the Fuck is your Union during all of this? Time for change at the Union level also. Anyone in the department have the balls to run the Union?
Signed,
Just a concerned Citizen
Fewer applying because it is faster to just pay off an Alderman for a Merit promotion.
The sergeants job has become increasingly more difficult. They expect sergeants to motivate the troops? Explain to me how? They have taken all of their discretion away. Give them a pat on the back for a good job? Fuck this city.
I’ve been a sergeant over 20 years. Back when I took the test there were thousands who is signed up for the exam. In fact they had to have multiple locations to administer the test along with numerous test times because of manpower coverage in the district. In fact it was so stringent the application process that if you did not properlyFill out the application and get it in in a timely manner you would not be able to take the exam. Simple task such as following instructions it’s quite indicative of the individual and their ability to pass exam. If I recall between 5000 and 7000 officers signed up in the past to take the exam. Numerous locations numerous start times, actually changing start times in the districts to cover the man power shortage was indicative of how many actually had signed up for the sergeants test in years past. Now it just seems that there is no interest, no desire to go anywhere in this dead job.
I thought I read in newspaper weeks ago that it was the CPD entrance exam that had less than 1000 people sign up.
People used to pay alderman for the job, now they can't give it away.
To all those that live in “gods country”/north of I90 in 016..... do you want to work midnights in 06/05 as a sergeant? Do you want to spend years to get back north? Or to the middle of the city?
Look to the Seniority List in your Unit.
Timing (wink-wink) is everything and everything is predicated on select Part 1 scholars anyway.
Part 2 could take another 2 years after the long delayed 875 Part 1 results are sorted, sifted, tilted and posted.
Q: Is the clown girl, a.k.a. “Punchie” eligibility only a few months shy?
I have 25 years of service on the job I am not going to start over with my seniority go to bed nights in 3 or 7 and be responsible for a bunch of young college graduates who do not listen and continue to Chase vehicles for traffic violations. Also after the sergeant in the 8th district was fired for approving tactical response reports based on information he was supplied, and not even on the scene of the shooting, put a disgusting taste in my mouth about becoming a supervisor on this job. In short you can have the extra $1000 a month and pension it doesn't really make a difference to me.
I can’t wait until I make Sgt to tell all these boomers what to do.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
If the rumors of a 09 Dec class of sergeants is true I anticipate getting notified soon. Only I’m gonna tell Personnel they can move on to the next person on the list as I’ll be declining the promotion. Yeah it’s nearly a 20K annual bump with the differential. Yeah it’s an extra 45 minutes a day. Yeah I’d be able to sell back 200 hours a year. Yeah the pension would be +/- a G-note more a month.
But you can’t put a price on peace of mind. It simply isn’t worth the money to babysit 10, 12, 14 or more millennial assholes any given tour. In a shitty district. On a shitty watch. With shitty seniority. Seriously… I have never seen more inept people coming on the job than have in the past 10 to 15 years. No one can make a simple decision without conferring with the Sgt for direction. They cry when they don’t get a newer car. They cry when when they’re told they can’t have DOH with all of two years on the job. They cry if they can’t get an hour or two on the end three or more times a week. They cry if they’re assigned the hospital detail. Many can’t be bothered to show up for rollcall on time, and when they do show up their faces are glued to their goddamn smart phones.
And I’ll be damned if I’m gonna get caught in the trick bag because some entitled snowflake tried to run game being they’re too smart for their own good or get dragged into something like LMQ/JVD for simply approving a fucking case report. 20 or 25 years ago? Hell yeah, gimme them stripes because I’ll shoot for lieutenant next test. Now? Fuck that noise. It’s strictly by-the-numbers policing, flying under the radar and doing the absolute bare minimum until 55.
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You won’t turn it down. If your name is on the list, you’ll take it.
Post your name and prove me wrong.
at least you have a new boss coming in............
most other departments are still run by daley leftovers.
doesnt groot have any favors to fill???
talk about the deep state.........
So I'm hanging around the station and 2 1st watch guys come up to the W/C and say their prisoner barfed in their car. Should they just get another car from the radio room? W/C says, "And leave your car as is?" I thought OMG, I could be their sergeant, after taking the next test ! Lucky me. I had to walk away...
Kinda funny... same on the fire side. Last test had 2500 signup. This test only had 800 sign up and pay...until they extended the deadline... now rumors have it at 1500. Still a poor turn out.... too much nonsense from pencil pusher bosses....
Anonymous said...
And I’m sure all 875 are smart as a whip. We have some good sgts on this job. But we also have a lot of dumb mother fuckers. That will only get worse . Glad there is light at the end of the tunnel
11/08/2019 05:57:00 AM
I sure would like to see a comparison between those promoted through competitive examination and those promoted through " merit".
Anonymous Anonymous said...
If the rumors of a 09 Dec class of sergeants is true I anticipate getting notified soon. Only I’m gonna tell Personnel they can move on to the next person on the list as I’ll be declining the promotion. Yeah it’s nearly a 20K annual bump with the differential. Yeah it’s an extra 45 minutes a day. Yeah I’d be able to sell back 200 hours a year. Yeah the pension would be +/- a G-note more a month. ...
As a recently retired Sgt. I will tell you that being a Sgt., in 007, was the best experience I had as a police officer. Please, take the position if they offer it to you. I guarantee you will regret your decision to not accept the position. Something to think about. Good luck.
01:05am. AMEN, brother! Family first.
Off topic heard 12 took a beat down at comp stat. Per desent decree they cant ask for activity. Handle your jobs and do your job is all you have to do.
The number is closer to 4,000. Not sure where the 875 number came from.
You can probably retire at 25 year as a Sgt and pull close to the same pension as a patrolman with 29 years.
11/08/2019 07:43:00 AM
I wouldn’t brag about those numbers big guy. 8 honorables? I’d keep that to yourself.
I have 25 years of service on the job I am not going to start over with my seniority go to bed nights in 3 or 7 and be responsible for a bunch of young college graduates who do not listen and continue to Chase vehicles for traffic violations. Also after the sergeant in the 8th district was fired for approving [reviewing] tactical response reports based on information he was supplied, and not even on the scene of the shooting, put a disgusting taste in my mouth about becoming a supervisor on this job. In short you can have the extra $1000 a month and pension it doesn't really make a difference to me.
Anonymous said...
There are only around 1,200 sergeants and traditionally only around 900 take the test anyway. Many sign up and never show on test day. Many sign up just so they don’t have to go to work.
11/08/2019 12:10:00 AM
Over 5000 took it last time. You don't know shit.
They can keep that shit sgt job. I was doing real police work like a boss in 006 for years! Racked up 8 honorables and 2 complementary letters. I was the real police in 006. Now I made detective in A/S and these Sgts that I deal with got no knowledge of what’s what. It’s embarrassing. The departments spiraling down the toilet drain. And it’s blatantly obvious.
Whoa ...slow down buddy...all those war stories are making my head spin. Just shut down A/S - seems like you have it down tight!!!!
Yeah 12 did take a beating at compstat. I work in 12 I bring in nothing and will continue to bring in nothing. There’s nothing the bosses can do about it either
Anonymous said...
Xmas wish this year... Dear Santa, 012 District, (3rd Watch) would like a whole new crew of Sgt’s. With the exception of Sgt’s M and T. Thank You Santa.
11/08/2019 05:55:00 AM
You forgot Sgt. L.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
They can keep that shit sgt job. I was doing real police work like a boss in 006 for years! Racked up 8 honorables and 2 complementary letters. I was the real police in 006. Now I made detective in A/S and these Sgts that I deal with got no knowledge of what’s what. It’s embarrassing. The departments spiraling down the toilet drain. And it’s blatantly obvious.
At first I thought this poster was joking, but with this current crop of millennials on the job, I just don’t know anymore.....
You know what's funny about this job? Funny how when a guy (pre sgt) talks about how much the jobs sucks, doesn't do ISRs, write tickets (parkers/movers) nor make arrests then they make SGT then all of a sudden the job is "legit" and they expect you to do the numbers.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
People used to pay alderman for the job, now they can't give it away.
11/08/2019 10:27:00 AM
Those were different days. A Sgt. didn't have to babysit the troops, policemen were pretty much out there on their own, and made decisions without bothering the sergeant. Besides, the good Sgt was too busy making his rounds as bagman.
Why take the test and others already have the answers
18 percent of the CPD has under 3 years on the job.being a SGT is a crapshoot,always a hard eight.
Anonymous said...
I thought I read in newspaper weeks ago that it was the CPD entrance exam that had less than 1000 people sign up.
11/08/2019 09:56:00 AM
Drop the college requirement no shortage of applicants.
That is good news , at least 875+or- a few can actually follow instructions to participate in the upcoming Sergeants Exam .
Now if Charlie Beck would require the multiple choice to count for 60% and not be a pass/Fail , CPD might actually promote Sergeants that are qualified to supervise .
Beck should demote every exempt that was promoted meritoriously to Sgt and Lt .
Hire qualified exempts ,
Captain rank must go
Inspectors must go , assign them to a box .
They can keep that shit sgt job. I was doing real police work like a boss in 006 for years! Racked up 8 honorables and 2 complementary letters. I was the real police in 006. Now I made detective in A/S and these Sgts that I deal with got no knowledge of what’s what. It’s embarrassing. The departments spiraling down the toilet drain. And it’s blatantly obvious.
Are you serious? You my friend are as soft as puppy shit.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
They can keep that shit sgt job. I was doing real police work like a boss in 006 for years! Racked up 8 honorables and 2 complementary letters. I was the real police in 006. Now I made detective in A/S and these Sgts that I deal with got no knowledge of what’s what. It’s embarrassing. The departments spiraling down the toilet drain. And it’s blatantly obvious.
Are you serious? You my friend are as soft as puppy shit.
11/09/2019 12:28:00 PM
And if you’re really a police officer you should be fired for being too stupid realize this is sarcasm and that he’s talking shit about someone with the initials F.E.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
I thought I read in newspaper weeks ago that it was the CPD entrance exam that had less than 1000 people sign up.
11/08/2019 09:56:00 AM
Drop the college requirement no shortage of applicants.
11/09/2019 08:41:00 AM
Lowering standards is one of the reasons reports have to be kicked back repeatedly for certain legal requirements to be articulated. Reading, writing and speaking to a certain standard it more important now than ever.
no more sarge promotions from list , new sarge test will be completed , graded and list up by May 2020
CPD will be better under Charlie Beck, no more bottom of the list Merits to please politicians .
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
I thought I read in newspaper weeks ago that it was the CPD entrance exam that had less than 1000 people sign up.
11/08/2019 09:56:00 AM
Drop the college requirement no shortage of applicants.
11/09/2019 08:41:00 AM
Lowering standards is one of the reasons reports have to be kicked back repeatedly for certain legal requirements to be articulated. Reading, writing and speaking to a certain standard it more important now than ever.
11/10/2019 11:56:00 AM
Well these College Officers are not doing very well stopping these street smart criminals you need people on the same level as them.
"...I racked up eight honorable mentions and two complimentary letters..."
That was one tour of duty for Leo.
Woo woo boo Leo is coming back 2021
Think about , it's a good thing
CPD has at least 800+ Police Officers,Detective ,ET,K9 etc that actually are serious about being promoted to sergeant, making CPD a better organization.
We know they can read , follow directions and took time to apply and pay for the promotional exam .
Now if Charlie Beck would require a passing score of 80% to take Part 2 of exam and grade the multiple choice part on sight .
require a urine test on the way out of part 1.
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