Area Bids for Detectives
There's an e-mail or Department NOJO floating around somewhere:
- SCC. These are the new numbers, confirmed ,
Area 1- 245
Area 2- 215
Area 3- 127
Area 4- 222
Area 5- 116
And an email also says everyone, every Detective will have to bid. I see a ton of grievances coming
925 - what's the current actual strength and budget number? Are they making a class before or after this takes place so they can backfill the spots that don't get filled? If you're heavy enough to get to Area 5, you still might get sent to Area 1 or Area 2?
We have a lot more questions than answers.
We have a lot more questions than answers.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
88 Comments:
A couple of weeks ago during a press conference revealing the plans to open the new area, the new part-time Supe said there will be no additional detectives added
I work Area South, soon to be again Area 2....have not seen an email or heard anything about needing to bid to Area 2.
Theirs enough confusion just figuring out the watch bids for 2020.
Current strength is 1118. Budget spots for 2020 is 1224. So 106 vacancies. Many good sources have said January while other good sources claim March for an upcoming dic class....maybe someone else will have some better updated info
These new detectives are useless; don’t wanna work midnites, holidays
or even overtime. Good luck with solving crimes! Maybe they should watch
48 hours and see how it’s done . How come Chicago isn’t on 48 hours? Maybe
a new show like 48 years would be more like it. Over 500 murders , all I can say
is UNACCEPTABLE. Lol
I ran the numbers for title code 9165 recently and it was 1100 and change. There are a number of units with detectives outside the areas (i.e. financial crimes, JISC, Youth Investigations, SIU, Fugitive Apprehension, etc). If everyone had to bid I can only imagine the frustration. On the other hand, a new unit(s) can be staffed with whomever the department wants. The JISC was originally staffed by non-volunteers with seniority. The initial group filed a grievance and lost. The second or third wave won their grievances because it was already staffed.
The Beckster is on this! Per him (well, Mayor Larry, really) ALL spots will be by bid/seniority ONLY. Rumor is that this is Groot’s FU for the dismal clearance rates.
There’s gonna be a shit ton of newbies crying when their whole universe implodes because their phone call can’t save them from a cross-city commute. Some of these Northside Newbies are gonna wind up spending the extra 30+ RDOs/year the Area South 10-hour schedule allows sitting in traffic.
Ahhhhh!!!! Seniority is a wonderful thing...
Class of 71 detectives soon. Weird number.
Has this NOJO been posted somewhere because I haven’t seen anything? Anyone have any updates?
End of January making a class of 125
Anonymous said...
These new detectives are useless; don’t wanna work midnites, holidays
or even overtime. Good luck with solving crimes! Maybe they should watch
48 hours and see how it’s done . How come Chicago isn’t on 48 hours? Maybe
a new show like 48 years would be more like it. Over 500 murders , all I can say
is UNACCEPTABLE. Lol
1/03/2020 01:08:00 AM
Definitely have noticed this also bunch of entitled millennials the new kids on the Block want to work when they want to work and when they want to work as well they have nothing to do but play on the computers do whatever they want to company time run personal errands using the company car simple as that. The owner is coming soon we’re all detectors will be in uniform and marked police vehicles as they should be like they have another cities it will say detective and the front fenders of the vehicles that way they can still have their status but show more police presence and more accountability.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
A couple of weeks ago during a press conference revealing the plans to open the new area, the new part-time Supe said there will be no additional detectives added
1/03/2020 12:05:00 AM
he was talking about budgeted spots. He wasn’t talking about not replacing those that retire
Shuffle that deck!
127 for Area North after adding 001, 012, and 018. They're gonna need that many for property/robbery alone.
These new detectives are useless; don’t wanna work midnites, holidays
or even overtime. Good luck with solving crimes! Maybe they should watch
48 hours and see how it’s done . How come Chicago isn’t on 48 hours? Maybe
a new show like 48 years would be more like it. Over 500 murders , all I can say
is UNACCEPTABLE. Lol
The same goes for the new E.T's! None of them want to work midnights and they are accommodating them. Most nights there are 6-8 E.T's on midnights for the whole city and remember boys and girls they are the crime lab too. And the consent decree whould like 2 to be held each down in case a homicide comes in. Not to mention the unit would like them to put miles on the crime lab truck because the city is threatening to take them away.
Many of these so called new Detectives don't even know how to knock on a doe'. Straight to an SDSC room to stare at a monitor. Embarrassing. No, you're not a Detective, sorry.
Seniority should count for everything! If you don't have the time for a certain area than so be it, you need to wait it out till you can BID for it and that's how it should work. They already took seniority out of furlough picks don't let them do this to the bidding process.
925 - what's the current actual strength and budget number? Are they making a class before or after this takes place so they can backfill the spots that don't get filled? If you're heavy enough to get to Area 5, you still might get sent to Area 1 or Area 2?
More than half will try to hide inside and get a spot in case management...
If there is total transparency here, and there should be...and that's a big if. We will see how clout really works. Because there are no rules for the anointed. They make them up as they go along.
But what about the Commanders and supervisors??? How will they be assigned? I have never met a supervisor in the D unit who was there on a bid. If they don't change the supervisory process for bids, nothing is going to change.
This MAY just be another game of musical chairs, Let the music begin! The clouted already have some new chairs hidden in the hall closet. The bidders will get used chairs that have broken backrests and missing arm rests. This is the Chicago way.
These new detectives are useless; don’t wanna work midnites, holidays
or even overtime. Good luck with solving crimes! Maybe they should watch
48 hours and see how it’s done . How come Chicago isn’t on 48 hours? Maybe
a new show like 48 years would be more like it. Over 500 murders , all I can say
is UNACCEPTABLE. Lol
So Detectives who don't want 1st watch, holidays or OT are useless? Lol ok, I guess you're an old timer. Yeah sorry the useless dont know how to milk time as well as you. For me personally I like living within my means, understanding how to budget and spending time with my family.
You are the same type who has and will vote on shitty contracts just because of the raise in it.
The Beckster is on this! Per him (well, Mayor Larry, really) ALL spots will be by bid/seniority ONLY. Rumor is that this is Groot’s FU for the dismal clearance rates.
There’s gonna be a shit ton of newbies crying when their whole universe implodes because their phone call can’t save them from a cross-city commute. Some of these Northside Newbies are gonna wind up spending the extra 30+ RDOs/year the Area South 10-hour schedule allows sitting in traffic.
Ahhhhh!!!! Seniority is a wonderful thing...
This is the typical old guy attitude. You ever think shit is bad because old guys like you spent your time crying about the new guys instead of trying to help. Its amazing to me how many "senior" officers walk around bragging about seniority. Every great cop I've ever met has never bragged about seniority. Because they dont have too. It's only the donothing dog asses who have to justify their existence by talking about how many years they have.
News flash.... Years on doesnt equal how good you think you are.
Is there still management 20%?
Some of these Northside Newbies are gonna wind up spending the extra 30+ RDOs/year the Area South 10-hour schedule allows sitting in traffic.
---
Newbies? I had 15 years on as a Det. when I was sent to Area South in 2012. I dealt with it. They'll deal with it.
Super bid. in 2012 they talked of a superbid but I don't recall it working out that way.
Blogger I Fart In Your General Direction said...
The Beckster is on this! Per him (well, Mayor Larry, really) ALL spots will be by bid/seniority ONLY. Rumor is that this is Groot’s FU for the dismal clearance rates.
Your farts must be coming out of your ears. 50% clearance rate isn’t dismal and there will absolutely be management picks for the new areas. Stop talking out of your ears with misinformation
Half of Area North will not make it on the BID, those who remain will have atleast 18 years or more on the job. Lots of Detailed Detectives will fill bid spots in Area in 3 and 5. Coming soon will be Training Detectives.
The Beckster is on this! Per him (well, Mayor Larry, really) ALL spots will be by bid/seniority ONLY. Rumor is that this is Groot’s FU for the dismal clearance rates.
There’s gonna be a shit ton of newbies crying when their whole universe implodes because their phone call can’t save them from a cross-city commute. Some of these Northside Newbies are gonna wind up spending the extra 30+ RDOs/year the Area South 10-hour schedule allows sitting in traffic.
Ahhhhh!!!! Seniority is a wonderful thing...
You do know a dic with 6yrs on made the last bid from Central to North, not everyone is in a major rush to move !
Where’s the email? I haven’t received any stinking email
Enjoying my last furlough, selling back 2020 furlough before retiring.
So I'm out of the loop as to the particulars.
But I had to bid when I got kicked out of A/5,
now I have to bid to go back?
I'm beginning to feel unwanted and underappreciated.
And A/S guy, there's, their, they're.
Prolly a tipo
Another rumor is that take home cars will be assigned to Detectives with the 25% most seniority in each of the FIVE Areas.
SO what IDIOT at 35th street thought that April would be a good time to go back in time to 5 Areas, like it was before the FAILED New Yorker came to town?
Watch bids were done in November, Furlo picks in Dec. Guess In may I will be IOD.
FOP???? Grievances??
75 going in in the next two months. 200 total for the year will be made.
Anonymous said...
These new detectives are useless; don’t wanna work midnites, holidays
or even overtime. Good luck with solving crimes! Maybe they should watch
48 hours and see how it’s done . How come Chicago isn’t on 48 hours? Maybe
a new show like 48 years would be more like it. Over 500 murders , all I can say
is UNACCEPTABLE. Lol
1/03/2020 01:08:00 AM
Oh wow. Thank god you're there to pickup the slack. Without your contributions we'd be at a 0% clearance rate. You clearly did your homework and I'm not referring to just completing your elearning, but catching a few seasons of 48 hours in-between. You sound like the greatest detective that ever worked CMO or Sex Registration.
Thanksgiving dinner must be a real treat at your house.
And everyone has to rebid for a watch?? Wtf
Anonymous Anonymous said...
A couple of weeks ago during a press conference revealing the plans to open the new area, the new part-time Supe said there will be no additional detectives added
1/03/2020 12:05:00 AM
It was understood to me to mean the city would not increase the number of budgeted detectives, 1200 and change. I think the department is a little short of budgeted strength now.
Anonymous said...
These new detectives are useless; don’t wanna work midnites, holidays
or even overtime. Good luck with solving crimes! Maybe they should watch
48 hours and see how it’s done . How come Chicago isn’t on 48 hours? Maybe
a new show like 48 years would be more like it. Over 500 murders , all I can say
is UNACCEPTABLE. Lol
————
Very true. All complaining. Some of them with 6-7 years complaining. Don’t take the promotion then. Whiners.
No more 10 hour says for Area 2. Confirmed by FOP
Area North is gaining 001, 012, and 018. Just like removing patrol officers from the highest tax paying Areas and sending them to where they aren't wanted. Re-balance the Department, X amount of Officers per citizen. If the police are the problem why send more.
Take home cars in the areas. Haha. That will be the day. These fuckers running this department are dumb as dirt.
3rd watch / no bid / no bid. Make that money
Anonymous said...
These new detectives are useless; don’t wanna work midnites, holidays
or even overtime. Good luck with solving crimes! Maybe they should watch
48 hours and see how it’s done . How come Chicago isn’t on 48 hours? Maybe
a new show like 48 years would be more like it. Over 500 murders , all I can say
is UNACCEPTABLE. Lol
1/03/2020 01:08:00 AM
Definitely have noticed this also bunch of entitled millennials the new kids on the Block want to work when they want to work and when they want to work as well they have nothing to do but play on the computers do whatever they want to company time run personal errands using the company car simple as that. The owner is coming soon we’re all detectors will be in uniform and marked police vehicles as they should be like they have another cities it will say detective and the front fenders of the vehicles that way they can still have their status but show more police presence and more accountability.
1/03/2020 06:34:00 AM
What old school tough guy planet do you two work on? Yeah, in 25 yrs OTJ I have rarely heard anyone say they can’t wait to work midnights or holidays. OT yes, there are plenty of those guys. From both of these comments I’m willing to bet neither one of you are detectives, and the way the second post was written I surely hope you never were one. Most of those old school detectives sat there asses at home when working midnights or in a gin mill milking the shit out of OT and laughing all the way to retirement. So before you start posting nonsense, know a little history and stop posting while drunk.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
A couple of weeks ago during a press conference revealing the plans to open the new area, the new part-time Supe said there will be no additional detectives added
1/03/2020 12:05:00 AM
It was understood to me to mean the city would not increase the number of budgeted detectives, 1200 and change. I think the department is a little short of budgeted strength now.
1/03/2020 12:27:00 PM
The 2019 budget had 1196 spots. 2020 budget has 1224 spots. The number of budgeted spots was raised by 28. Beck referring to raising budgeted spots. 1118 is current strength. Current vacancies is 106 and will be filled.
Anonymous said...
No more 10 hour says for Area 2. Confirmed by FOP
1/03/2020 03:06:00 PM
Ok Area Central and North, been in writing for 3 contracts. Lets see how this all plays out, as we all know how true rumors are.
Another rumor is that Central and North will be going to 12 hour shifts starting 2nd period!
less detectives today than the 70's , back then 1,000 detectives , 700 youth officers , few hundred gang investigators
I'm probably off a few , it's just a guess .
Yeah, ok. Remember 20% of every bid can be made by management. See you guys on the northside!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
A couple of weeks ago during a press conference revealing the plans to open the new area, the new part-time Supe said there will be no additional detectives added
1/03/2020 12:05:00 AM
He’s still in La La land. Out there if you have 1200 most work as detectives Wait until he sees how it’s done here. Secretaries, office personal, CMO ‘a. Seen times more inside people than detectives working the streets
Half of Area North will not make it on the BID, those who remain will have atleast 18 years or more on the job. Lots of Detailed Detectives will fill bid spots in Area in 3 and 5. Coming soon will be Training Detectives.
On the last two bids only a couple people bid to Central and south. On the last bid specifically a guy with 6 years made it to area north. Not to many people are big on moving. So you pretty much split guys from north and some from central over to 5 and 4. Also if you like the OT your not going to 5. Why would you do something that stupid? The money is going to be in 4.
No more 10 hour says for Area 2. Confirmed by FOP
1/03/2020 03:06:00 PM
This is a bad move. The 10 hr days are the only thing keeping anyone who isn’t a South Sider there. If they keep the 10 hr days the majority of them will stay. If not every single one of them is gone.
"Over 500 murders , all I can say
is UNACCEPTABLE. Lol"
Oh no! Its unacceptable! Lmao dude the last time I checked the new guys are exactly that new. So where exactly are all these great old detectives? So before two years ago when they started making more detectives the city was a utopia? Give me a break!
When you have the time and seniority, you get the time off on holidays (unless it already falls on your RDO). This is not because you are a good officer or a good detective, it's because you have more time on the job. Period.
Sorry, but many times as a young PO and as a young detective, I worked the holidays, not because I wanted to because I had to. And my family didn't like it, but they accepted it and supported me. Thanks family.
Three years on the job? Seven years? Ten years? In a unit with officers and detectives with 25 plus years, you are working the holidays when it's your turn. Don't cry about it. You have not "earned it" yet, and by earned I mean having the years on the job when you had to work those days you didn't want to. Do it. It builds character. If you don't understand that now, you will when you get a few more years on the job.
Control those things you can, and don't sweat the things you can't. Do the best job you can for yourself, and sometimes for that victim who really is deserving of justice (children, for example). Definitely don't do it for a boss or to "get someplace." You will be disappointed. You can love the job, but it never loves you back.
I am a Detective with 25 years on, if they change my shift or my assignment I will do it. Sorry my seniority pisses people off. The biggest whiners on this job are those that have never done anything. That being said, its still the best job on the department and I don't care where I work or on what shift. Don't be a hater.
Anonymous
Anonymous said...
No more 10 hour says for Area 2. Confirmed by FOP
You must be one of those strokes sharing a keyboard w/ 3 other dets in area central. Stop spreading wild rumors and enjoy your carpool to your scene riding 6 deep.
-Area South HGS
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
These new detectives are useless; don’t wanna work midnites, holidays
or even overtime. Good luck with solving crimes! Maybe they should watch
48 hours and see how it’s done . How come Chicago isn’t on 48 hours? Maybe
a new show like 48 years would be more like it. Over 500 murders , all I can say
is UNACCEPTABLE. Lol
————
Very true. All complaining. Some of them with 6-7 years complaining. Don’t take the promotion then. Whiners.
1/03/2020 01:18:00 PM
Here's my 3 year D-unit perspective that no one asked for...
Don't know where you guys work, but OT is a protected thing where I'm at. I got 17 on, made dick at year 14 mark. New to dick life, but not entirely new to the job. Seen a lot of changes in that little time in d-unit, most for the worse in the cannibalization of compensation. Here's my gripe: as of lately, I'm constantly being encouraged/pressured to change my hours to work cases on straight time, especially during the felony review process that requires an earlier or later start. Once charges are approved, I'm being chased out, and told to wrap up the reports during normal work hours. Sooo do I want to work outside my normal work hours, no, that's why I successfully bid to a watch. Will I? Yes, but for the price of OT. The city is treating this job like a factory job, and the bosses that choose to keep their spots are in toe. You want me there to clock in at the designated time, and clock out precisely 9 hours later, I'll treat it like such. Haven't missed a punch yet. During that time, you got me. I'll knock on as many doors as needed to solve whatever case you throw at me. In my downtime, I'll sit there like a firefighter. Just know though, it works both ways. I'm not willing, nor should anyone else, be expected to bend their home-life for straight time week after week. In the last year, this has just become what it is, my city job with benefits. I've now pursued other work in my off time which supplements my base pay nicely that has a predictable schedule that still allows me dinner with the family. Bosses dangling an unpredictable 5-10 hours of OT a pay period doesn't do it for me anymore. You two guys/gals keep fighting the good fight though, keep turning on each other labeling everyone else as dogs/complainers to motivate one another, the city really, really appreciates it. Your ex-wife/husband and estranged kids didn't, but boy, you're making a difference. /rant over
Spoken like a guy with no time on the job.
30yrs on the job & hell ya I’m pulling all my seniority..these young bucks need to take
a backseat & shut the fuck up. One day you will have seniority too BUT NOT today
Old ass wheeler
Off topic- This just in city informs FOP that city wants to go back to 6 -2 woek schedule to facilitate eventual squad policing in 2021. Throw all the FOP bums out. To dum to pin down city in contract negiotations or shields was right its fixed from jump street.
Control those things you can, and don't sweat the things you can't. Do the best job you can for yourself, and sometimes for that victim who really is deserving of justice (children, for example). Definitely don't do it for a boss or to "get someplace." You will be disappointed. You can love the job, but it never loves you back.
1/03/2020 07:59:00 PM
Very, very well stated.
You cant control it all, sometimes you have to take a bite of that shit sandwich. Worrying about how its going to taste isn't going to change the flavor.
"You can love the job, but it never loves you back." Yep, just like dating a German broad.
Big city Detective, best job I ever had.
Here's my 3 year D-unit perspective that no one asked for...
Don't know where you guys work, but OT is a protected thing where I'm at. I got 17 on, made dick at year 14 mark. New to dick life, but not entirely new to the job. Seen a lot of changes in that little time in d-unit, most for the worse in the cannibalization of compensation. Here's my gripe: as of lately, I'm constantly being encouraged/pressured to change my hours to work cases on straight time, especially during the felony review process that requires an earlier or later start. Once charges are approved, I'm being chased out, and told to wrap up the reports during normal work hours. Sooo do I want to work outside my normal work hours, no, that's why I successfully bid to a watch. Will I? Yes, but for the price of OT. The city is treating this job like a factory job, and the bosses that choose to keep their spots are in toe. You want me there to clock in at the designated time, and clock out precisely 9 hours later, I'll treat it like such. Haven't missed a punch yet. During that time, you got me. I'll knock on as many doors as needed to solve whatever case you throw at me. In my downtime, I'll sit there like a firefighter. Just know though, it works both ways. I'm not willing, nor should anyone else, be expected to bend their home-life for straight time week after week. In the last year, this has just become what it is, my city job with benefits. I've now pursued other work in my off time which supplements my base pay nicely that has a predictable schedule that still allows me dinner with the family. Bosses dangling an unpredictable 5-10 hours of OT a pay period doesn't do it for me anymore. You two guys/gals keep fighting the good fight though, keep turning on each other labeling everyone else as dogs/complainers to motivate one another, the city really, really appreciates it. Your ex-wife/husband and estranged kids didn't, but boy, you're making a difference. /rant over
——————————————————————-
You, sir, hit the nail on the head. We must work at the same Area, because that switching duty hours bullshit is big with my bosses too. Just like you, I’ve been 9165 for three years. I have no problem working OT, I welcome it. But I’m also not willing to constantly change my tour hours for no extra compensation. That’s where you’ll find me, and quite a few others, giving resistance . Dicks with a lot of time as dicks didn’t have to deal with this shit. Now that they’re knocking on retirement’s door they’re cutting down on the OT (or cutting it completely out). If they had to face the OT/switching hours crap that we face they would know it’s not complaining, it’s fighting to right a wrong.
SCC,
This is the total Detective manpower per the 2020 Budget, excuse the formatting:
10 - Bureau of Internal Affairs
2 - Crime Control Strategies Section
5 - Detached Services Unit
1 - Deployment Operations Section
1 - Education and Training Division
17 - Bureau of Detectives
970 - Area Criminal Investigation
8 - Youth Investigations Division
20 - Arson Unit - Central Investigation Unit
5 - Youth Investigations Division
22 - Youth Investigations Division
33 - Special Investigations Unit
8 - Criminal Registration Unit
20 - Arson Unit - Central Investigations Division
26 - Financial Crimes Unit
26 - Task Forces
26 - Investigative Response Team
8 - Intelligence Section
20 - Gang Investigation Division
1228 Total Detectives
You must be one of those strokes sharing a keyboard w/ 3 other dets in area central. Stop spreading wild rumors and enjoy your carpool to your scene riding 6 deep.
-Area South HGS
1/03/2020 08:18:00 PM
You must be one of those strokes that doesn’t know it’s been called Violent Crimes again for years.
Seniority is a bad system. Many 1 year dics w 20+ years on the job are going to need much more training. Their seniority will not be much help to their investigative skills. 1:08 needs eap.
"These new detectives are useless" well you old timers aren't much better. I you were the clearance rate wouldn't be abysmal.
Time to put the big boy pants on Area 2 and come join the rest of us. They are not concerned with you cry babies bidding out to come North. So dry your tears, because the 10 hour days are gone. Have heard heard it from multiple sources in the negotiations. There isn’t one boss sticking up for it.
Why is so hard to complete the reports during your regular hours. Just finish it next day you don't need OT to be sitting in front of a computer doing paperwork.
Chicago is not on 48 hours because it takes Chicago 96 hours to solve any crimes. The show doesn't have time for your 10% homicide clearance rate. If they had a Chicago show it would have to be called Maybe Never Solved.LOL
Read your contract. The department can’t take all the det spots and put them up for a superbid. Biddable vacancies can only be opened if someone leaves a spot or new spots are created, i.e. new areas. They will open the vacancies for the new areas and fill the rest with a class. If need be they can detail by reverse seniority. For all of you that say our contract don’t mean shit and the city will do whatever it wants, then why even bother bitching about anything? Just loosen up that asshole and take it.
Whoever set those Area manpower numbers are an idiot. Area North is gonna see an increase in Robberies, Burglaries, Death Inv. And Sex Crimes, they’ll still have about 40 homicides a year as well as shootings, wildings on the mag mile. They’re gonna need Hotel, Bar and Hospital dics. Doing that with 127 is gonna mean a lot of overworked people. Oh and the genius who thinks they’re gonna gut CMO/Summary? Those dics administratively suspend a shit load of BS jobs, those jobs will now be assigned to field dics to follow up on and clog their inbox. Then you have Area South, hmmm, they lose 3 in the merge but gain 7. Now they’ll lose 7 as well but have 215 dics for 4 districts? And while I’m on a rant, how are they able to abolish all Area doc spots to force a “super bid” that doesn’t even exist in the contract! Why don’t they set realistic manpower numbers in all the Areas and then post the bids for the new Areas and see how that plays out with numbers and the backfill by seniority. Management still has their 20% to save if they so choose. I don’t get upending 925 dics instead of possibly 200 by reverse seniority. Less chance for grievances too.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Area North is gaining 001, 012, and 018. Just like removing patrol officers from the highest tax paying Areas and sending them to where they aren't wanted. Re-balance the Department, X amount of Officers per citizen. If the police are the problem why send more.
---
Ya, just wait until all these high aligned yuppies find out there's only 100+ Dets. to handle all those property crimes. All of downtown, Lincoln Park, Bucktown, etc. There are currently just under 300 Dets. in Area North. As I've said for two decades the city only cares about violent crime. Now Area 4 will just get jammed with homicide Det's with 10,11, 15 - Screw the taxpayers. This nation was founded on property rights - never mind I won't even get started.
This job fuckin blows. 1st and 16th.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
30yrs on the job & hell ya I’m pulling all my seniority..these young bucks need to take
a backseat & shut the fuck up. One day you will have seniority too BUT NOT today
Old ass wheeler
1/03/2020 09:56:00 PM
You’re fuckin’ A right, my man.
Gimme gimme gimme!!!
4 CHA’s
5 Parks
VRI whenever I feel like it
Home for dinner every night
Never missed a game, play, dance, competition of fair
DOH whenever I want
Kickass furloughs
Top 1% in seniority
Wait your fuckin’ turn like we all had to, kid
10 - Bureau of Internal Affairs
2 - Crime Control Strategies Section
5 - Detached Services Unit
1 - Deployment Operations Section
1 - Education and Training Division
17 - Bureau of Detectives
970 - Area Criminal Investigation
8 - Youth Investigations Division
20 - Arson Unit - Central Investigation Unit
5 - Youth Investigations Division
22 - Youth Investigations Division
33 - Special Investigations Unit
8 - Criminal Registration Unit
20 - Arson Unit - Central Investigations Division
26 - Financial Crimes Unit
26 - Task Forces
26 - Investigative Response Team
8 - Intelligence Section
20 - Gang Investigation Division
————————
Intel or gangs can use 2-3 each no more. 8 & 20 seem a stretch for those spots
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"All complaining". "Don’t take the promotion then". "Whiners".
EXCELLENT POST!
Retired now. Got looked at sideways when I'd tell people "The reason I never took a promotional exam was because I didn't want to see midnights again...EVER!!!
I billed myself as the copper who hated midnights more than any copper in the history of the CPD.
Though part of me liked the idea of being a detective, that part didn't come close to outweighing the part that hated midnights with the intense heat of 10,000 suns.
Three years retired now, and I have ZERO regrets about never taken the exam.
So, I'm with you: Why test for the position, knowing as the newbie, you'll probably get assigned 1st watch...then bitch, when as the newbie you get assigned 1st watch?
But what do I know? I'm just another wheel gun geezer, remembering how shit used to be, in an era long gone by.
Look For Each Other.
Rumor has it that Detectives that are assigned to inside spots and detailed out will be forced back onto the streets in the areas. Unless they are limited duty or special skills. Does this apply to the 1st deputies driver.Det. JA.
To the 7;04 poster rant. Well said!!
EXCELLENT POST!
Retired now. Got looked at sideways when I'd tell people "The reason I never took a promotional exam was because I didn't want to see midnights again...EVER!!!
I billed myself as the copper who hated midnights more than any copper in the history of the CPD.
Though part of me liked the idea of being a detective, that part didn't come close to outweighing the part that hated midnights with the intense heat of 10,000 suns.
Three years retired now, and I have ZERO regrets about never taken the exam.
So, I'm with you: Why test for the position, knowing as the newbie, you'll probably get assigned 1st watch...then bitch, when as the newbie you get assigned 1st watch?
But what do I know? I'm just another wheel gun geezer, remembering how shit used to be, in an era long gone by.
Look For Each Other.
1/04/2020 02:21:00 PM
You’re a dumbass or simply used not wanting to work midnights as an excuse to not even TRY to get promoted. You don’t lose your seniority as a Detective. Make it with 20 yrs on and you’ll bid to whatever watch you want.
Confirmed source, Area South losing 10 hour days. Not jealous, don’t care, But a fact.
To all the crybabies in Area 2, that actually have to work now, and maybe get their clearance rate above 5 percent, suck it up buttercups.
These new detectives are useless" well you old timers aren't much better. I you were the clearance rate wouldn't be abysmal.
1/04/2020 04:40:00 AM
----------------------
I hope that you at least proofread your Closers, "Jr. Detective". Lmfao.
I hope that you at least proofread your Closers, "Jr. Detective". Lmfao
Well, Mr spell checker you have already solved your quota for the year. Now you can go back to sleep and dream about being Kojak,off.
This is going to be an absolute shit show. The FOP just told us furloughs will have to be re picked!! Whoever came up with these area numbers needs to put the pipe down.
10 hour days are totally useless. Most officers shut down and head to the hole after 6 hours police work is a joke to the 10 hrs days in 005
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Read your contract. The department can’t take all the det spots and put them up for a superbid. Biddable vacancies can only be opened if someone leaves a spot or new spots are created, i.e. new areas. They will open the vacancies for the new areas and fill the rest with a class. If need be they can detail by reverse seniority. For all of you that say our contract don’t mean shit and the city will do whatever it wants, then why even bother bitching about anything? Just loosen up that asshole and take it.
1/04/2020 07:00:00 AM
---
How do you get Area North from 290 Dets. to 125 without a superbid? I guess you could hold a regular bid to the new areas then take the excess out of Area North by reverse senority, but the whole reverse senority thing seems a little shaky too. How can you lose your spot once you bid there? We did not do a superbid in 2012.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Rumor has it that Detectives that are assigned to inside spots and detailed out will be forced back onto the streets in the areas. Unless they are limited duty or special skills. Does this apply to the 1st deputies driver.Det. JA.
1/04/2020 02:57:00 PM
And you believe that. Special skills? You have the juice you will not be touched
All old detectives were new detectives once and we heard the same crap that these new detectives do...war stories. Midnights has always been short staffed, most everyone finds an excuse not to work them (most excuses are soft & invalid), those that work them usually work them because they work out with other obligations (kids, family, etc), but do so usually short on sleep. I’ve got a nice spot now- took me awhile to get it & I do worry about it going away, but I’m just a cog so I’ll go with the flow (only way to keep sane). I do notice waaaay more young faces on days then when I was “new” and fresh faced, but maybe that’s just because I’m old now. As for anyone new crying about the perks of seniority- shut up! You won’t cry about it when it’s your turn.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
All old detectives were new detectives once and we heard the same crap that these new detectives do...war stories. Midnights has always been short staffed, most everyone finds an excuse not to work them (most excuses are soft & invalid), those that work them usually work them because they work out with other obligations (kids, family, etc), but do so usually short on sleep. I’ve got a nice spot now- took me awhile to get it & I do worry about it going away, but I’m just a cog so I’ll go with the flow (only way to keep sane). I do notice waaaay more young faces on days then when I was “new” and fresh faced, but maybe that’s just because I’m old now. As for anyone new crying about the perks of seniority- shut up! You won’t cry about it when it’s your turn.
1/05/2020 10:55:00 AM
True, all old detectives were new detectives once and they didn’t have ERI systems so it appears that they were more effective. Old timers keep forgetting that they were able to get away with more. They didn’t have a DOJ monitor or a consent decree. The didn’t have BWC’s. If they would do the research they’ll find that many of their convictions have been overturned and the city is paying out millions. There are old timers who rant on the blog about the newbies, but they are the ones retired and still fighting 4 to 5 lawsuits.
Newbies make dick, start a new family right away and then cry about working midnights. The three to seven year wonders want to stay on days so the trade off is to join the Homicide Team. Some never made a gun arrest, conducted a search warrant or worked a tact or gang team.
True, all old detectives were new detectives once and they didn’t have ERI systems so it appears that they were more effective. Old timers keep forgetting that they were able to get away with more. They didn’t have a DOJ monitor or a consent decree. The didn’t have BWC’s. If they would do the research they’ll find that many of their convictions have been overturned and the city is paying out millions. There are old timers who rant on the blog about the newbies, but they are the ones retired and still fighting 4 to 5 lawsuits.
Right, as soon as the ERI system came about, many older timer belled out. They realized that they have to do shit the right way. No more White Castles and cigarettes in exchange for bogus written confessions
I have very special skills. Many men here can attest to that.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
Post a Comment
<< Home