FOP Vote Counting Begins
From what we've heard, this is a hand count and will likely take all of today and could stretch into a second day, maybe even a third. Old-timers tell us that in previous years, it usually took forty-eight hours from start to finish. We don't know if that was one count or two, but with the automated counting of recent years, results were tabulated twice. That would be unwieldy with a hand-count.
We'll update as soon as we're able, depending on computer access and taking into account we don't post on-duty.
UPDATE: Here's some media coverage.
We'll update as soon as we're able, depending on computer access and taking into account we don't post on-duty.
UPDATE: Here's some media coverage.
posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
84 Comments:
JC sure has a big mouth piece. Let's see what happens, either way we're screwed.
Any predictions? I have nothing to base this on other than a guess, but I’m gonna say KG. No basis in facts, just a hunch.
Has anyone that took the antibody test at Area 2 a couple of weeks ago get their results yet? I received the invite code for the app but nothing else.
Another supervisor leaving 019! That’s 7 LTs and 5 Sgts in the last 3 years! Great job Paul! No wonder why your family hates you. Your just a dick in general
I say BS
Re-Vote
Only take people whom physically vote.
Retiree’s
Call in with lodge card in hand. It’s a new era.
Machine counting issue personnel from some fly by night firm FOP paid 100 K to. Wish I could file suit to all the dues I paid to these slugs for 34 years ! Did zero for most members and they ate like hogs.
I could count 5 K ballots by hand in 3 hours. Bit there are probadly 2 K of blue shirts that voted.
Next year, they can kma for the $40.00 paid from pension check. Keep their $250.00 death benefit that never changed in 35 years.
Get a real union like NYPD has current ones. The president from that org, PBA at least has real people helping their members.
OT Hey I found some video of that Cook Co. Jail Prison Escape.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6N3vdzfZK0
Retirees voting for active members union president. What a god damn joke. Absolutely ridiculous. But it’s CPD, would you expect anything less from the ass backwards city.
I didn't vote for Kevin on the first vote but did on the runoff. We don't need another big mouth like Shields. It didn't work than and wont work now. Don't vote for someone who wants to fuck the city over vote for someone who wants to help the membership. Haven't heard that person run yet but hopefully someday. We need real leadership, not some nut like JC and Kevin isn't much better just the better choice of the shit hand we were dealt.
Something is not smelling right.
the accounting firm of howard fine and howard at your service.
7 Lts. and 5 Sgts. have left 019 in 3 years? Really? I don't know who Paul is and I may not be a Detective but based on those numbers I would think that there is a serious problem for that many bosses to leave what is probably the best District in the City.
Daunting task
pick up envelopes
put envelopes in alphabetical order
while reading name on envelope verify person is a FULL paying DUES member
open envelope 1
look at ONLY 2 NAMES WITH TO CIRCLES
record name with actual circle
2 nd person verify circle
3 person record count.
So many BOARD members getting paid but when it is time to work everybody scared of the corona. Great job guys we are DOOMED on contract
It's all Bull Shit, the FOP has always slept with the ENEMY, PERIOD!
OT, they started looking for volunteers for Summer Mobile, REMEMBER the assignment is by SENIORITY.
That’s means if they don’t get enough volunteers the detail gets assigned members by REVERSE SENIORITY.
So listen good, in the past they would not assign Detectives working Homicide because the reasoning was they
needed them to work murders. So they would detail Detectives with more seniority to Summer Mobile than the
Detectives working Homicide. Finally people got tired of this violation of the contract and filed an grievance and they
stopped this practice. Since they have opened Areas Four and Five up again don’t let them start this shit up again.
Homicide is basically the Tact Team in the D Unit, no Detective with seniority wants to work it so it’s filled by reverse
seniority with baby dics with 10-15 years. SO REMEMBER IF YOU GET ASSIGNED TO SUMMER MOBILE AND
A BABY DIC WORKING HOMICIDE DIDN'T, FILE A GRIEVANCE ASAP!
If the vote counting is anything like waiting for COVID-19 results from Roseland hospital it will be at least a week.
Re-Vote
Only take people whom physically vote.
Retiree’s
Call in with lodge card in hand. It’s a new era.
“Whom” physically voted? Is this for real? Wow....
Anyone waiting on their new vest, recently spoke with a representative from Pro-Tech. Related that it will be a minimum of several months before they arrive. May want to consider a refund?
Just my opinion but if Graham does win it will be more of that great and proactive leadership you have seen in the past and throughout this pandemic. Which means the FOP will remain a neutered, toothless Chihuahua. Look at the mouth from the NYPD unions compared to what CPD gets. At least they talk right up and speak the truth even have turned their backs on the mayor, not hide and do nothing. I mean what have the FOP done to help protect officers during this China Virus? Nothing at all really. The leadership is as well trained as Moondawg Brown. Graham had his chance.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I say BS
Re-Vote
Only take people whom physically vote.
Retiree’s
Call in with lodge card in hand. It’s a new era.
5/08/2020 03:09:00 AM
Yep! How did that phone app work in the Iowa Caucus?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Has anyone that took the antibody test at Area 2 a couple of weeks ago get their results yet? I received the invite code for the app but nothing else.
5/08/2020 12:28:00 AM
I had to call and was surprised to hear that I was negative because I was pretty sick back in Feb/March. I know someone else that was tested and was told they were negative because they had it. They went somewhere other than Roseland and was told they were positive.
Cancel the golf outing.
John Catz is the aggressive leader we need. His leadership style is similar to President Trump's leadership style. Bold, aggressive and he crushes his enemies. Our union needs to be more bold and more aggressive. Just look at how the Chicago Teachers Union is. For far too long we keep taking it on the chin. We need to fight back.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Another supervisor leaving 019! That’s 7 LTs and 5 Sgts in the last 3 years! Great job Paul! No wonder why your family hates you. Your just a dick in general
5/08/2020 03:06:00 AM
Why are supervisory staff leaving 019. That is a lot of people. What is going on there? Please be specific as possible.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Has anyone that took the antibody test at Area 2 a couple of weeks ago get their results yet? I received the invite code for the app but nothing else.
5/08/2020 12:28:00 AM
If they have not reached out to you then that is considered good news. The hospitals are doing a lot of tests per day and they are only reaching out to people who are positive or unusual test results. Those who are good don't get a phone call or email saying you are fine.
If you still want to know then call the hospital directly. I got my test done on site in my station from Roseland Hospital and they never reached out to me. So I called them and they said I was negative and the gentleman explained that they won't reach out to people if they are negative.
I just hope it’s KG. JC has a big mouth in a bad way.
Anonymous said...
Another supervisor leaving 019!
Ummmm, leaving 019 to go to 007? If so, impressive!
Why the hand count?
Our present leader has done zero for us, never came in to see troops in districts, so I say screw him, just another tool, bring in john to truly stand up to the bullshit. I say give him a chance, hope he does well for us. And I don't give a fuck if he had it out with other p.o's, there's alot of morons on this job. Has bigger balls than most can ever dream of, even in your old war stories.
Last I heard from my inside source was less than 200 votes so far.
It didn't originate in Chicago but "they" seem to have perfected the practice...
“...I consider it completely unimportant who in the party will vote, or how; but what is extraordinarily important is this — who will count the votes, and how...”
A bunch of us hope affordable health care is negotiated and reached for officers that are maxed out but not yet 55.
OFF SUBJECT:
Did anyone see the message where the Department is "closing" the JISC on several days for 6 hours because the Department will not pay a Sergeant overtime to Supervise. They are not "closing" the JISC, they are just leaving all the Officers un-supervised and directing the process to the AREAS in violation of General Orders. Let alone the violation of the Consent Decree where there is no supervisor on site for the Officers and Detectives assigned to the JISC.
Email say another officer died of Covid. Yet nothing in the news or the FOP website. I guess it’s just another day at the office.
Why is it going to be a hand count? CFFU local 2 just had theirs counted this week and was able to get it done electronically.
Gonna take a lot longer because each clown only has 20 didgets counting fingers and toes. Probably take most of the week then whatever the results the loser will demand a recount before a Top Clown emerges. Then stand back and watch how city ignores whoever winds being the winner. Gotta show the new guy who is boss or got to keep the old guy in his place. A big to do over nothing. No contract, no PS's and absolutely NO RESPECT. The more it changes the more it stays the same.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but..... No matter who wins nothing will change. She or they will continue to have you under their thumbs. Any raise will immediately be eaten up in higher taxes and fees. Your all kidding yourselves if you think a new contract will fix anything. In fact the new contract may see you with a lower payscale. That Virus ate up all our money, take it or leave it. City cannot or will not give you a raise. The bargaining chip will be if you don't accept our terms we are going to cut force by 1500 officers. It is up to you to keep your buddy working.
Off the subject but we lost a great man yesterday in Todd Gillerlain. He was a terrific policeman and an even better man. It was an honor to call him a friend and anyone who knew him was better off for it. God Bless Todd and the Gillerlain Family.
Never received a ballot for the runoff but did receive a ballot for round 1. What's going on? Anyone else in same situation?
OT. Today is the 75th anniversary of VE day. There are fewer and fewer of those heroes left everyday. I worked for an older guy when I was new and went to his wake a few years ago. I learned he was a fighter pilot in the European theater. A decent boss and a quiet hero.
Who cares. New boss same as the old boss. Another useless president at the helm of a useless union. 🇺🇸
Anyone hear when these layoffs are coming. I’m hoping soon as I’m looking to get some work done on my lake front property in Wisconsin.
Life ain’t bad when you’re on ghost payroll ;)
OT
BBC Interview
Slicked-Back Weasel, what do I see?
Lori L Lightfoot, there she be!
Are WE fucking sick yet?
https://wgntv.com/chicago-news/police-break-up-protest-outside-heartland-alliance-on-north-side/
SCC check this out. Happened at a protest that went out of control in Rogers Park. Watch the video!
>> Anonymous said...
Machine counting issue personnel from some fly by night firm FOP paid 100 K to. Wish I could file suit to all the dues I paid to these slugs for 34 years ! Did zero for most members and they ate like hogs.
I could count 5 K ballots by hand in 3 hours. Bit there are probadly 2 K of blue shirts that voted.
Next year, they can kma for the $40.00 paid from pension check. Keep their $250.00 death benefit that never changed in 35 years.
Get a real union like NYPD has current ones. The president from that org, PBA at least has real people helping their members<<
I agree with you, I’m no longer going to pay $40 a year for a F.O.P book and stickers that I have no use for, plus the small amount for the death benefit.
There once was a Superintendent named Brown
Who came to Chicago from out of town
He had a Political Urge
To do something called a SURGE
And ended up looking like a Texas Rodeo Clown
Anonymous said...
Email say another officer died of Covid. Yet nothing in the news or the FOP website. I guess it’s just another day at the office.
5/08/2020 09:47:00 AM
Reading is a fundamental skill!
It does NOT say he died due to COVID 19.
What it did say is he died from a medical issue.
Please, thoroughly read your emails before posting.
Watch out for the hanging chads. Enjoy your retro!
OT
What was that about casino income?
Vegas is fucking CLOSED!
Dream on.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but..... No matter who wins nothing will change. She or they will continue to have you under their thumbs. Any raise will immediately be eaten up in higher taxes and fees. Your all kidding yourselves if you think a new contract will fix anything. In fact the new contract may see you with a lower payscale. That Virus ate up all our money, take it or leave it. City cannot or will not give you a raise. The bargaining chip will be if you don't accept our terms we are going to cut force by 1500 officers. It is up to you to keep your buddy working.
5/08/2020 11:58:00 AM
I can’t say that I totally disagree with you, but they need to start with motor maintenance, streets and sanitation and the other countless overloaded jobs in this city. Truck drivers driving to a site and sitting there all day while everyone else works? Those days are over, time to get with the times and carry your weight. I’m not saying that I want people laid off, but maybe it’s time to find a way around this through retirements and buyouts. I couldn’t imagine driving to a call and telling my partner, go handle it and if you need anything call other officers that aren’t driving to help you out.
A new Superintendent, from the city of the Cotton Bowl,
Proclaimed to all: “There shall be no more than 300 Murders. This is my goal.”.
But Dallas Dave
Could not get the People ( or Folks) to Behave
And ended up looking like an A@@HOLE
Anonymous said...
Off the subject but we lost a great man yesterday in Todd Gillerlain. He was a terrific policeman and an even better man. It was an honor to call him a friend and anyone who knew him was better off for it. God Bless Todd and the Gillerlain Family.
5/08/2020 12:51:00 PM
A truly great guy!
Such a terrible loss for the CPD and an even greater loss for those who called Todd their friend.
Till we meet again, rest easy buddy...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Off the subject but we lost a great man yesterday in Todd Gillerlain. He was a terrific policeman and an even better man. It was an honor to call him a friend and anyone who knew him was better off for it. God Bless Todd and the Gillerlain Family.
5/08/2020 12:51:00 PM
And another...Sgt. Stan Salabura (Ret) A/2 V/C Mendel HS grad...broke me in OTJ in 004,005
two calls within a half hour notifying me of these unfortunate losses yesterday.
RIP- Both great Police Officers and even better men.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
the accounting firm of howard fine and howard at your service.
5/08/2020 06:25:00 AM
More like Dewey Cheetham & Howe.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Never received a ballot for the runoff but did receive a ballot for round 1. What's going on? Anyone else in same situation?
5/08/2020 02:08:00 PM
The election is over. Counting ballots today
6:00 AM...FOP already tried to negotiate that. City said 55 will remain the age. Too many would retire in the next year.
Both are political animals who will act on their polical instincts...
Regardless who wins, they will help themselves and their pack...
We Are All Replaceable
CONGRATS JOHN, well deserved win! Escort those two thieves out of the Hall. Donahue and Graham can go pound sand!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Who cares. New boss same as the old boss. Another useless president at the helm of a useless union. 🇺🇸
5/08/2020 03:17:00 PM
I care.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
There once was a Superintendent named Brown
Who came to Chicago from out of town
He had a Political Urge
To do something called a SURGE
And ended up looking like a Texas Rodeo Clown
5/08/2020 06:24:00 PM
Very good and thanks for the laugh. With a little more practice you can be up there with The Ultimate Tactical Warrior and Hennessy Williams. I miss their posts
Anonymous Anonymous said...
6:00 AM...FOP already tried to negotiate that. City said 55 will remain the age. Too many would retire in the next year.
5/08/2020 08:55:00 PM
Wrong dummy. FOP tendered that proposal during negotiations. City didn’t counter. City cant “say it will remain 55” absolutely. Arbitrator will decide. Hopefully the PBPA’s arbitrator finds in their favor for a very similarly worded proposal regarding healthcare percentages for leaving prior to 55. Will surely set precedent. They should know by end of June.
How many left 019...better question..how many left 011?
Just heard that Catanzara won the election
Anonymous said...
Why the hand count?
5/08/2020 08:47:00 AM
Accounting firm contracted to do it not deemed “essential” by Illinois so their employees are not allowed to work from anywhere but home. Told FOP they would do it when Governor gave the back to work order. FOP Board asked State FOP Lodge what they should do and State FOP said the votes must be counted per by laws of the Lodge charter. State FOP is sending a team to conduct the hand count. Both candidates can have someone there to watch the count.
JCat wins. Thank God we can focus on contract and pension issues.. not what some Tribune writer thinks. That last team was asleep at the wheel for three years!
The sign of the cat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzbfJpIrKuw
Hope you John are stalking your prey go get them be the leader we need brother! God Bless you have a Chicago police department. Time for a major shake up time for a major change represent us thank you make sure the pension is properly funded to John called FOP many times in the Pension Board nobody could say if the city is making a required contributions as a retired cop or I voted for you also many of us did
Anonymous said...
7 Lts. and 5 Sgts. have left 019 in 3 years? Really? I don't know who Paul is and I may not be a Detective but based on those numbers I would think that there is a serious problem for that many bosses to leave what is probably the best District in the City.
5/08/2020 06:36:00 AM
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The best district in the city ??????!!!!!! Apparently it’s a good thing your not a detective !!!!!
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
6:00 AM...FOP already tried to negotiate that. City said 55 will remain the age. Too many would retire in the next year.
5/08/2020 08:55:00 PM
Wrong dummy. FOP tendered that proposal during negotiations. City didn’t counter. City cant “say it will remain 55” absolutely. Arbitrator will decide. Hopefully the PBPA’s arbitrator finds in their favor for a very similarly worded proposal regarding healthcare percentages for leaving prior to 55. Will surely set precedent. They should know by end of June.
5/08/2020 09:26:00 PM
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I'm asking cause I really don't know.....I was told that if one side proposes something in negotiations, and the other side simply does not respond, it is a subject that the arbitrator cannot rule on. If that's true, arbitrator won't touch the 55 issue.
RE:
“SO REMEMBER IF YOU GET ASSIGNED TO SUMMER MOBILE AND
A BABY DIC WORKING HOMICIDE DIDN'T, FILE A GRIEVANCE ASAP!”
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You big dummy! That “baby dic” might just have a furlough somewhere in between 6A-8B which does not allow said “baby dic” to volunteer, be assigned and work summer mobile. Now stop being a dic baby, and enjoy your 90 day detail.
You got nothing kid!
Email say another officer died of Covid. Yet nothing in the news or the FOP website. I guess it’s just another day at the office.
5/08/2020 09:47:00 AM
Reading is a fundamental skill!
It does NOT say he died due to COVID 19.
What it did say is he died from a medical issue.
Please, thoroughly read your emails before posting.
5/08/2020 06:30:00 PM
Maybe he/she was getting at that since the sup felt it necessary to put it in an email blast that the likely cause of their "medical" cause was Sars-Covid19
If you think the number of LTs and Sgts leaving 019 is bad, you should see how many of them are bidding or have already bid out of 011. And if you ask why, it’s two fold. An over promoted dumb ass can’t pass a test commander and captain. Running every good boss out of there. Fucking shame too.
One of the big reasons that graham lost was the big fuck you he and Donahue did to Danny Otoole, supporting martwick. If they election was held off and FOP supporting Otoole he would have won. He ended up with around 48% of the vote.
I wish all of you on the CPD the best of luck. I had a father-in-law who was awarded the Mayor's Medal in 1955.
He gave his all for the job.I was a union agitator (AFSCME) in the mid seventies.
As parole officers, we had jack shit. No protection from political bosses. Things
changed after we got some good negotiators and Union Reps.
If John ends up being the leader you have
been looking for,then your new enemy will be apathy. It happend to us after 15 years. I worked with a lot of great Chicago cops during my time as a parole officer. Especially during Operation Windy City.
I am an old man now.I will pray for all of
You so the job will be something you look
forward to.
Be active in your union.
A former badge holder.
I
Be are up what you wish for. If the 55 and out happens it will drain your pension fund even faster. That plus the city will use the China Virus budget problems to NOT hire any replacements for the retiring officers which will further drain your pension fund with fewer contributions from working officers. There will also be a lot of taxpayers exiting the city this year especially if they pass the wealth tax that Fatso so desperately needs. Those high earners can live almost anywhere they choose. Doom and gloom no just simple logic and common sense. Think about reactions to every action on all levels. People went as stupid as the politicians would believe. Your job right now is to wow a viable plan B for when the city fails completely, it is not an if the city fails it is a when the city fails. The point of no return has just been passed. Sell your home now and rent something if you have to stay. Property values are reasonably good is when the next round of tax increases hits that will begin to change as the exit begins. The “white flight” of the 60s will change the demographics of the few good areas left. Been there done that watched my home area, Austin, go from safe, to hell, in about three years. Prepare for the worst and hope for the best but’s overall be prepared.
The better of two people is JC.
I remember when he was in 008 24 years ago.
Good guy, takes NO shit.
“You big dummy! That “baby dic” might just have a furlough somewhere in between 6A-8B which does not allow said “baby dic” to volunteer, be assigned and work summer mobile. Now stop being a dic baby, and enjoy your 90 day detail.
You got nothing kid!“
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Haha I was thinking the same thing to that dick head whining about summer mobile. Sometime you got to read the fine print, and by fine print, I mean the main body of the order.
Wrong dummy. FOP tendered that proposal during negotiations. City didn’t counter. City cant “say it will remain 55” absolutely. Arbitrator will decide. Hopefully the PBPA’s arbitrator finds in their favor for a very similarly worded proposal regarding healthcare percentages for leaving prior to 55. Will surely set precedent. They should know by end of June.
5/08/2020 09:26:00 PM
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Doesn’t set precedent. It’s one arbitrators decision, not a court of law.
Wrong dummy. FOP tendered that proposal during negotiations. City didn’t counter. City cant “say it will remain 55” absolutely. Arbitrator will decide. Hopefully the PBPA’s arbitrator finds in their favor for a very similarly worded proposal regarding healthcare percentages for leaving prior to 55. Will surely set precedent. They should know by end of June.
5/08/2020 09:26:00 PM
Simple explanation from an article on arbitrators setting precedent
Perhaps the most far-reaching potential consequence emerges from the belief that arbitrators neither follow nor create precedent. According to common wisdom, arbitrators' decisions are fundamentally ad hoc-untethered from the rules and standards applied to resolve past disputes
There once was a Superintendent named Brown
Who came to Chicago from out of town
He had a Political Urge
To do something called a SURGE
And ended up looking like a Texas Rodeo Clown
When will he learn
Promotions are something
Policemen must Earn
First order of business is get rid of residency
Anonymous Anonymous said...
One of the big reasons that graham lost was the big fuck you he and Donahue did to Danny O’Toole, supporting martwick. If they election was held off and FOP supporting O’Toole he would have won. He ended up with around 48% of the vote.???
5/09/2020 01:43:00 AM
I think saying both candidates were well qualified helped O'Toole. It put a fire in the belly of a lot of coppers. Cantanzara team went out and worked hard for O'Toole. O'Toole never had the money or organization to win the race. NOT having the endorsement helped on both accounts.
Had O’Toole won he was 6-8 years away from being in position to help us. But we have to start somewhere. But in the end it wasn’t close. Danny only got 40.48% of the vote. Martwick got 59.52%. Donahue in the long run didn't keep O'Toole from being elected. He kept Graham from being elected. But Graham chairs the political action committee. The vote was 5-5. Graham refused to break the tie as the committee chairman. Graham beat himself.
Wrong about Otoole, Martwick got 52% and change to Otooles 47% and change.
The rest of the story! said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
One of the big reasons that graham lost was the big fuck you he and Donahue did to Danny O’Toole, supporting martwick. If they election was held off and FOP supporting O’Toole he would have won. He ended up with around 48% of the vote.???
5/09/2020 01:43:00 AM
?????????????????????????
I think saying both candidates were well qualified helped O'Toole. It put a fire in the belly of a lot of coppers. Cantanzara team went out and worked hard for O'Toole. O'Toole never had the money or organization to win the race. NOT having the endorsement helped on both accounts.
Had O’Toole won he was 6-8 years away from being in position to help us. But we have to start somewhere. But in the end it wasn’t close. Danny only got 40.48% of the vote. Martwick got 59.52%. Donahue in the long run didn't keep O'Toole from being elected. He kept Graham from being elected. But Graham chairs the political action committee. The vote was 5-5. Graham refused to break the tie as the committee chairman. Graham beat himself.
5/09/2020 01:26:00 PM
???????????????????????????
Anonymous said...
Wrong about Otoole, Martwick got 52% and change to Otooles 47% and change.
5/11/2020 01:49:00 AM
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All of the above results are right/wrong depending on which website you look up. I found ALL of the above results somewhere on the internet. And all of the above results are on government websites. The web is full of a lot of bull. The below site is the only one that counts:
Illinois State Board of Elections
https://www.elections.il.gov/electionoperations/votetotalsearch.aspx
Martwick got 54.44% O’Toole got 45.56%. Martwick won by just under 3000 votes. It wasn’t that close but was a great first time campaign by a new candidate.
The 52% Martwick and 47% O'Toole are Chicago votes.
The 59% Martwick and 40% O'Toole are Suburban Cook County votes.
Martwick's State Senate District is city and suburban. 😑
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