Twelves Again??? (UPDATE)
This has to be some sort of Labor Law violation. Without an actual emergency, you can't just keep canceling days off when the weekend rolls around:
Anyone in Day Off Group 65 (midnight 66 we think) is working at least twenty-two days in a row without a break.
Anyone in a Sunday-Monday day off group (and there are hundreds of detectives, teams and others) will be working 28 days straight at a minimum, and most of those 12-on-12-off.
This isn't healthy. It's breaking people. There has already been one death most probably due to exhaustion and our birdies in Personnell tell us PAR forms to retire a miles ahead of last year, meaning big staff shortages on the horizon.
The FOP hand delivered a four page letter to Brownies Office yesterday outlining the Contractual steps and possible steps a lawsuit might take should this constant 12 hour schedule go forward. Looks like it's time to pull the trigger.
UPDATE: Fake? Or they're just waiting until 2345 hours Thursday night to cancel everyone's weekend plans like they did last week?
Anyone in a Sunday-Monday day off group (and there are hundreds of detectives, teams and others) will be working 28 days straight at a minimum, and most of those 12-on-12-off.
This isn't healthy. It's breaking people. There has already been one death most probably due to exhaustion and our birdies in Personnell tell us PAR forms to retire a miles ahead of last year, meaning big staff shortages on the horizon.
The FOP hand delivered a four page letter to Brownies Office yesterday outlining the Contractual steps and possible steps a lawsuit might take should this constant 12 hour schedule go forward. Looks like it's time to pull the trigger.
UPDATE: Fake? Or they're just waiting until 2345 hours Thursday night to cancel everyone's weekend plans like they did last week?
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posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
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That 4page letter is on the FOP website.
I think you're a week shy; if you are in dog 65 (or 66 midnights) your monday was 29May. If we are cancelled this weekend our first day off will be 26June, 28 days straight.
MEDICAL. I am ill. Come ring my doorbell and hope i wake up. My indoor Nest camera will show i'm home.
If this is true and the Department held this information till the last minute then there is no emergency. I suggest everyone take money. Groot has money for illegal immigrants and racist community use of force experts then there is money for us being forced to work overtime. I'm glad we finally have a FOP pres who will rub it 8n her face.
Lawsuit fails and then what? I still have to work 12 hours? I'd rather make my OT in court and extension of tour. At least in court, I can leave and go eat on Taylor street.
Sgts union say it doesn’t violate any contractual agreements
Keep track of every hour - - - -
Every shit, every piss, every missed meal.
Every "X" hours without water or food.
It's called DOCUMENTATION.
You'll need that in court.
The FOP needs to take Groot to Federal court. This is endangering the public
LOL! It's past time! This should of been done after the first week! And why tip our hand? Brownie doesn't care, he's proven that. No more warnings just start with the lawsuits. It's going to take a long time as it is.
Thank you JCat and the rest of FOP! Finally proactive representation with our best in mind <3
Sounds like the covid is on the increase due to the crowds 🤔 I seem to recall the mayor telling EVERYONE to stay home if your not feeling good. And I also recall your suppose to self quarantine for what was is again that’s right 14 days!!! I think we can play their game can’t we?? Be safe everyone
Sure would be nice if this applied to Cops:
https://www2.illinois.gov/idol/Laws-Rules/FLS/Pages/ODRISA.aspx
Regardless, what do you think would happen if EVERY COP filed a complaint under this Act? 10,000+ complaints?
Might be kind of hard for the Legislature to ignore. Might start some kind of stories. Might be usable in a contract negotiation.
...just a thought...
The FOP needs to take Groot to Federal court. This is endangering the public
Why can’t anyone publish the number of Police Officers injured during the riots? I think the good people of Chicago would get a better perspective of just how ruthless and treacherous these Social Justice Socialist morons are.
She’s trying to force out the guys and girls with age and wisdom
She’s trying to tire out the millennials who got a day off and partied like it’s a summer in their 20’s.
Wake up, people. She’s playing the long game. We out number her.
Remember what you signed up for, we are the line between lawlessness and order and act accordingly.
Be safe.
I’m going on the medical. That’s my job action. See ya’ll.
This will all pass. Stay strong, stay focused and don't let the ignorant libtards sucker you into a 10 second "gotcha" BS video. I truly believe that the overwhelming majority of society understand what WE represent. We are that Thin Blue Line between chaos and calm. Not the nonsense repeated on the liberal news.
Day Off Group 65 will work 28 days in a row if they cancel RDOs this weekend! How in the name of fuck is this not in violation of some Federal Employment law?
Seriously?! In midnight 66. Fuck this place. Can’t even care anymore about anything at work. Maybe I’m late to the party but fuck. This truly breaks the spirit. I’m done.
Groot is doing this to force people to retire. She wants to fire all of us but she can’t so she’s putting unbearable working conditions in place so we quit. Go ahead, it’s your own decision. I have to line up another job before I go. Any suggestions?
They’re trying to force us into a blue flu. We can’t give them what they want.
(820 ILCS 140/2) One Day Rest In Seven Act
Unless an emergency is declared, no days off is a violation of state law.
Should the police be under hours of service?. Airline pilots are Truck drivers Train
engineers are. why not the police. the job just as dangerous and people lives are at stake.
BE SAFE!.
Which federal agencies can be notified of this abuse? Is the FOP calling EVERYONE?
I love the no days off. Keep it coming. Easy money.
One thing I know is our National FOP sucks. Where are they when cops all over the country are getting screwed. Look at Atlanta. Justified shoot and he still got fired.
PTSD on medical now. Read up on it and exhibit all the signs for a good 9-12 months worth of medical leave.
In two weeks from now, Fourth of July is going to pop up unexpectedly causing the city to suddenly cancel everyone’s weekend plans at the last minute.
This is not the way to live
But isn't this why we earned the nickname "12" get it lol.
I will be here all week working 12 hours, be sure to tip your hostess.
No “ gatherings” in 011.
Commander is having the OT officers watch Dope spots..
How are those properties doing that you own in 011, Commander HUD? Better now, that you have officers temporarily putting a damper on drugs sales? Look like those shootings are still happening however.
OT to watch dope spots !
Your health and well-being as well as your families is ruined cause he wants you to watch dope spots.
You need your head examined if you do any work For 011s clowns - commander and captain- other than answer your jobs.
why are we not grieving this??
Maybe it would be somewhat bearable if these 'leaders' actually supported the people that kept them safe. I would love to see Gov. Jelly Belly and Mayor Groot suit up and work these days.
Looks like some dufus just changed the date on a previous email.
We carry a gun and have to make split second decisions how do they expect us to perform our job at a high level when everyone is physically and mentally exhausted. If something goes wrong and a questionable decision is made is it acceptable to say exhaustion was a cause.
We all know that’s not good enough for the mob. They can’t have it both ways. She really seems to be overworking us for a department she really can’t stand. ☠️
As a tax paying Chicago Police officer, I wonder: Where the hell is she getting the money for all this?
so as mentioned in a post on the blog, were doing a form of vri.
Tell the mayor to offer us a 5 year buyout. That would help reduce some of the 15 year+ guys on the job. Currently about 6000 with over 15 years.
I said it the Saturday the “protesting” and looting began, when Groot held a 8:30pm press conference and praised the police for all their hard work, professionalism, dedication... I said give it a few days, she will be back up at the podium saying how awful the CPD is, how it’s out of control, needs reform, racist, etc. True to form, she did that, multiple press conferences, going as far as telling protestors if they feel they have been disrespected or mistreated by a police officer to call 3-1-1, demanding the officer who gave the finger be fired, the cops from Brickyard be fired, the cops eating Rush’s popcorn be fired, the cop who made a homophobic remark be fired. Now she is forcing everyone to work 12 hour days with days off cancelled, as she holds press conferences about how broke the city is due to COVID, can’t afford to pay for anything, etc.
in a few weeks, once the dust settles and they tally the OT costs, watch for Lightfoot to hold another press conference, talk about how broke the city is, how no revenue from hotels, restaurants, trade shows, bars, tourism is coming in, then talk about all the “social programs” she has to cancel, how she is going to raise taxes on everything, cancel summer job programs for low income kids, then mention how much she has to pay CPD in OT costs, which we already know the alderman hate. Watch the manufactured outrage over the costs for all these 12 hour shifts and days off cancelled that they are demanding now.
It’s coming....
If you think OuttaTown Brown takes any action without running it by Mayor BugEyes first, you can...
Kees me you fool!!!!
Everyone on this job needs to decide if their goal is to collect as much money as they can from the pension or have the highest monthly pension payment. You could stay an extra three or four years and maybe pick up an extra $1k a month in your pension check. Meanwhile, the guy who started collecting at 50 has four years and for the sake of the argument with a $5k a monthly pension has collected 48 payments and collected $240k already. It’ll take you 10 years of collecting to make up that $240k the other officer collected by staying four years longer, and for you to start outpacing what that other officer has collected. Imagine how long it’ll take if you only stay a year or two longer. I want as much as a can from the pension, but I wish people would give the math some thought dependent on their personal situation. I’d be shocked if 55 isn’t out this contract, so that probably won’t be a factor.
It’s breaking people.
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This is what they want.
Make the city pay through the nose.
We’re simply inconsequential pawns in Groot’s big game.
This screenshot is the old email from last week and someone just changed the dates to 19 June. I have no doubt we will be getting 12 hours etc but this is not the real email.
There's nothing written about time due restrictions correct?
SCC you hit it on the head the mayor is trying to break us.
Don't forget Juneteenth day in Friday...Fat boy orders flags to half staff....
For the longest time we heard the city was broke and OT was restricted. Interesting how a magical money tree was discovered...
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/8-flsa-police-firefighters
Provides the overtime requirements, how many days can be worked, etc.
Hope this helps you guys!! I’m a citizen standing behind you!!
Hire enough people to form a city wide team or two and save the extreme measures for desperate situations.
The sick, deviant Mayor is using an array of Deprivation Techniques to terrorize and ultimately destroy the police department. The Urban Dems are intentionally in an effort to use psychological war techniques that within 48 hours can unconsciously hijack your emotion, cognition and perception...imagine the psyche after 3 weeks of prolonged deprivation. You are being engineered, no different than a criminal detainee.
LONG PERIODS OF STANDING IN STRESS POSITIONS
wall-standing: forcing the detainees to remain for periods of some hours in a stress position, described by those who underwent it as being "spreadeagled against the wall, with their fingers put high above the head against the wall, the legs spread apart and the feet back, causing them to stand on their toes with the weight of the body mainly on the fingers";
NOT HOODING BUT SUBJECT TO SHIFTS WITH CONTINUOUS NOISE, SCREAMS, HATEFUL RHETORIC BY ANGRY MOBS
hooding: putting a black or navy colored bag over the detainees' heads and, at least initially, keeping it there all the time except during interrogation;
subjection to noise: pending their interrogations, holding the detainees in a room where there was a continuous loud and hissing noise;
NO SLEEP FOR DAYS, OR SPOTTY SLEEP AT BEST, DENIAL OF MEALS, EVEN ACCESS TO RESTROOM
deprivation of sleep: pending their interrogations, depriving the detainees of sleep
deprivation of food and drink: subjecting the detainees to a reduced diet during their stay at the center and pending interrogations.
God help you against these evil politicians. They are doing immeasurable damage to you and your families.
Simple answer that is why we have the medical use the medical it is what it is therefore you feel tired worn out sick, use the medical why not? Larry Surely has a plan what to do right? Oh and Mayor let use your vernacular how about a big fuck you to you and the rest of the Democrats around you for destroying policing for destroying law abiding areas, you’re in favor of the savages you’re in favor of the criminals you’re in favor of the riders but then again Democrats ruin everything As always! May Almighty God bless the Chicago police officers amen
This is becoming a major medical health problem for officers.
Too many hours, no days off, no rest breaks, no food, no bathroom breaks.
The human body can only take so much...,,,.
There are labor laws.....we are entitled to certain prohibitions against this by law....
Where are the FOP’s lawyers? We are HUMAN......
We have rights, too.......
Remember the effects is sleep deprivation. Hallucinations are just one. Immune system response is another. Coupled with the virus still being around, along with every other pathogen, and we have quite a case for proactive and reactive medical.
This sucks but keep yourself and your family safe. Check the money box every time. Do not check comp time make this city burn through all the allotted ot money. You will be off in August also the city saved a ton of cash by cancelling all the feats with the exception of pride. Of course that’s still a go
If you are dog65, u gotta take some day off. Don’t chase the money. Coppers are going to get tired and make mistakes. The city will run without you. Don’t let the city use you to capitalize and publicize their agenda. Stay sane and safe.
Give them nothing, but take from them, EVERYTHING. That’s how I look at policing in Chicago from now on.
Better now than later. Toss a stone at Larri and duck for the brick in return. Hopefully FOP has already hired out winning labor specific lawyers.
And This Is How It’s Gonna Be™️;
We shouldn’t be handing in anything to City, these correspondence should be delivered by process servers.
Wut-wut Hash Brown is not familiar with our Department G.O.’s, so the cubicle savvy house legal beagles in his office had to send this communique over to idiot flunkies at Corp Council, who has to sent a copy to a connected private law firm who then delegates an intern to review the veracity of the complaint.
So give that FOP letter of understanding until late December for a reply.
Remember that “food the zone” strategy she came up in here with to deal with violent deadly crime?
Med Sect must be filling up (anyone know the roll?) and her policing strategy savants are figuring this out.
There just ain’t nobody coming out of the closed Academy. Hashed Browns is running out of bodies.
I think at some point Toad stops hiring, house mice everywhere will have to backfill. What to do, what to do. Are Sworn Admin aides essential or not? Btw, NYPD is already reassigning their desk dollies.
Keep in mind FOP functions on membership dues that rise with contractural wage increases, no increase since Jun 2017.
The longer we go without a Contract, the more FOP is “defunded” and may have to cut back.
Then more you get wrapped up in ghetto affairs that go nowhere in CookCo the more you're likely to tap FOP Legal Rep (Art.22.2) to try to save your income, your job, your family and your future. The City knows this. It’s a vicious tactic.
Figure it out already and DON’T KEEP CHASING BULLSHIT CALLS.
HQ is too stupid to figure out that allowing DOG 65 (66 first watch) and Sun/Mon---would not significantly deplete the manpower---and would be both thoughtful and humane to the workers.
Fck off Riccio and Waller--you have been on since 1986 and you both suck.
Anonymous said...
I think you're a week shy; if you are in dog 65 (or 66 midnights) your monday was 29May. If we are cancelled this weekend our first day off will be 26June, 28 days straight.
6/17/2020 12:13:00 AM
You’re correct and I’m living this nightmare being in DOG 65. One would think that even the biggest sell out back stabbing merit brass would say “enough!” This is crazy! What’s also scary is what if the city never pays us for the work? The way we are being treated wouldn’t surprise anyone. Also suspicious how the bosses still aren’t approving the overtime slips from the very beginning of June. Terrible times for CPD.
Anonymous said...
One thing I know is our National FOP sucks. Where are they when cops all over the country are getting screwed. Look at Atlanta. Justified shoot and he still got fired.
6/17/2020 04:57:00 AM
That’s for sure! I use to give money or buy their BS raffle but it seems all they do is put out a garbage magazine. Never here a peep. The NYPD Union should be the National FOP.
Anonymous said...
Groot is doing this to force people to retire. She wants to fire all of us but she can’t so she’s putting unbearable working conditions in place so we quit. Go ahead, it’s your own decision. I have to line up another job before I go. Any suggestions?
6/17/2020 03:53:00 AM
And then who in their right mind would ever take the CPD test again? Already they can hardly get anyone to take the test. How about now? Any young kid watching Lightfoot talk and seeing what’s happening to law enforcement would be nuts! Unless the aldermen, honest citizens and businesses stand up to her, Chicago will die. Everyone better start taking this seriously including the media.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
If this is true and the Department held this information till the last minute then there is no emergency. I suggest everyone take money. Groot has money for illegal immigrants and racist community use of force experts then there is money for us being forced to work overtime. I'm glad we finally have a FOP pres who will rub it 8n her face.
6/17/2020 12:21:00 AM
You can check the money box but that doesn’t mean Lightfoot will pay you. She killed the economy and before that Chicago was already hurting. Why would anyone trust her?
You can buy Antifa and Communist Flags on Amazon but No items with the Confederate Symbol.
Not a cop, but I'm definitely 100% on the side of LE ! You guys have a tough & seemingly thankless job, well .... I Thank & respect you guys out there. You may think that you're alone - but you're not. This IS by design.
As we all know, there is an ongoing nation-wide propaganda campaign to facilitate the collapse of the United States of America as we know it. With respect to LE, and particularly in Midwest cities like Chicago, this campaign is structured such that LE becomes emotionally, mentally and physically fatigued to the point that your demoralized and forgo your pension and resign posthaste. You old timers out there likely already suspect this. You can also gather this would then present an opportunity for the left to staff LE departments with their gestapo-hipster-social-justice warriors, which by design will most certainly "fundamentally change" LE departments through ideological saturation. The paramount goal of this "plan" as I see it, is to ultimately use their newly staffed & ideologically changed departments to finally, once-and-for-all confiscate legally owned firearms – among other goals of course. They (the left) know you won’t comply with these sorts of aspirations, so they will install their own people.
Did it ever occur to groot, fat-ass, et.al that there could be law abiding patriotic Americans, who are well armed, that are too also waiting for the “police” to …say take a 3 week vacation – all of them simultaneously? There are many many of these “well armed Americans” who aren’t resist, bigots, or supremacists of the sort and are really tired of being labeled as such. These “well armed Americans” are getting impatient.
Just a theory anyway…
Just saw on the midday news, Groot is proposing a $1.1Billion covid19 spending plan and the city council wants the mayor to promise zero of it go to funding police overtime and Groot says it won’t.
So after the mass unplanned, unorganized widespread looting, graffiti, property damage and arson that this Mayor allowed the weekend of May 30th and 31st, her biggest deflecting worries to the thousands of rioters were: a). File a COPA report if you were treated poorly and b). rest up from your mayhem by self-quarantining for 14 days because there’s a scary virus out there. Since those 14 days have passed, we should have the ‘spike’ results by now. Either the positive numbers are through the roof from those without a ‘can’t identify me’ face-mask or there’s been no effort at all and this city can go back to normal. Are Governor Jumbo and Mayor F Y still fiddling with the results? There were thousands of ‘peaceful protestors’ elbow-to-elbow, yelling, spitting, trampling over each other to steal. You’d think there’d be a 1000% increase (especially in the ‘minority community,’.) If not, we’re just being played for fools by this entire lockdown...
Plenty of jobs out there for retired
Police. If you need benefits try hospital or college security jobs. Once in a while a railroad police job pops up.
Ever notice how Police Officers during their stressful times don't make Tik-Tok dancing videos like medical "professionals"?
God Bless all you officers.
The mayor wants to destroy morale. She wants us mentally and physically exhausted and irritable in hopes that one of us will make a serious mistake. A mistake she can then run with, plaster all over the media, get the public behind her and use to unilaterally reform the entire police dept. Don't give that to her. For God's sake be safe and smart out there. Stay calm & don't engage. No arrest is worth it.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
No Water?
No Food?
NO PPE?
Call OSHA to report emergencies, unsafe working conditions, safety and health violations, to file a complaint, or to ask safety and health questions.
800-321-6742 (OSHA) (anonymous calls welcome and acted on)
My construction crew boarding up windows and erecting fences must be provided with water, sanitary facilities and meal breaks. You are entitled to the same.
Your state department of labor also takes workplace safety complaints.
https://www2.illinois.gov/idol/Laws-Rules/safety/Pages/Hazards.aspx
This is from their website:
I was directed to work more than 7 days and do not want to work. Can I decline or file a complaint if I am forced to work?
Yes, you can decline the opportunity. An employee must volunteer for additional hours that would require he or she work 7 days or more. The One Day Rest in Seven Act provides for employees to receive a minimum of twenty four hours of rest in each calendar week and a meal period of 20 minutes for every 7.5 hour shift beginning no later than 5 hours after the start of the shift. The law allows employers to secure permits from the Department to work employees the 7th day provided that the employees have voluntarily elected to work. You may file a complaint here: https://www2.illinois.gov/idol/forms/Documents/ODRISA%20Complaint%20Form.pdf
even if you are exempted by law, file the complaint anyway. Burry them in paperwork.
You can gripe all you want about groot and 12 hour days,but if we dont stick together and vote the creature out of office next election then we deserve what we get! Stick together!!
Anyone have the retirement stats for blue shirts? Has there been an uptick?
Deploy the National Guard in every shopping mall, center,Michigan Avenue etc. No reason to cancel RDO's and 12 hours. CPD has NO real plans for civil unrest!!!!!
Police officers are going to get hurt or killed being stressed,tired,sleepy and over worked during day after day of working 12 hours.
A tort is a wrongful act in which harm or injury is caused to another person. The term “tort” covers a vast range of actions in tort law, and is divided into subcategories, which include “intentional tort.” Intentional tort occurs when a person intends to perform an action that causes harm to another. For intentional tort to be proven, it is not required for the person causing the harm to intentionally cause an actual injury, they must only intend to perform the act. For instance, if a person intentionally frightens a person with a bad heart, who then has a heart attack as a result of the action, it would be an intentional tort even though the person did not have the intention of causing the heart attack.
Simply put, both contract laws and tort laws are in place to address a breach of duty that results in an injured party. As mentioned above, in contract law, this breach is known as a breach of contract. It occurs when one party fails to adhere to their duties outlined in a contract.
In tort law, a breach of duty involves the failure of one party’s duty to harm another. For example, the most common type of tort lawsuit is one that is based on a theory of negligence. In order to succeed in a lawsuit based on negligence, the injured party must prove that the defendant breached a duty of care owed to them, and that the breach was the cause of their injuries or losses.
https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/contract-and-tort-law.html
(820 ILCS 140/2) One Day Rest In Seven Act
Unless an emergency is declared, no days off is a violation of state law.
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Read the law carefully. "Employers" are required to follow this law. The law defines employers this way:
"Employer" shall mean a person, partnership, joint stock company or corporation...
Government agencies are thus not covered by this law.
https://www.osha.gov/contactus
6/17/2020 04:57:00 AM
Yep. The national FOP is a joke. They are busy working on the convention this year. Decertify FOP and lets get Teamsters or any other mfers but FOP.
I've seen the hours sheet posted numerous times but each one states NOTHING about 1st watch officers. Do we not have to work the OT? Does this not apply to any 1st Watch officer? Can't someone post the full order?
To follow up on my “Americans, who are well armed” theory:
There are indeed well-intentioned, upstanding, law abiding, honorable Americans of all colors, creeds and orientations that don’t subscribe to the chaos the left is inflicting. Along with that sentiment, I believe that there's likely a good deal of these “Americans” who WILL immediately fill / mitigate the commandeering of the power vacuum groot, fat-ass, et.al wish to create by dissolving LE. I’d venture to guess that these “Americans” aren’t going to be concerned with the complicated & technically bureaucratic legal precedents established by leftist Judges - that serve only to undermine our rights through abridging the basic text & meaning of the Bill of Rights, or the other enumerated amendments of our Constitution – which we genuinely hold dear.
(820 ILCS 140/2) One Day Rest In Seven Act
Unless an emergency is declared, no days off is a violation of state law.
FYI Does not apply to public sector employees
Your going to need the OT just to pay your tax bill next year. Cost of living just went up in city and state. With the highest tax and fees in the nation you get to live in a dirty crime filled city filled with political corruption And clueless leadership. Terrible schools and liberal politics, with any number of police haters. But you do have the pretty lakefront working for you, sorry forgot your dictator closed it. Well at least you still have great restaurants, wait many will not be reopening. Finally there is the thriving south and west side ghetto drug outlets. Still going strong I see. What a utopia. Why are you even thinking of leaving. Bet there people from the surrounding state just waiting to take your place.
Kids outs time tio leave policing! You are now the most maligned profession in the USA. The Communists have set the bar today by charging that INNOCENT ATLANTA PO. LEAVE AND NEVER LOOK BACK ADT CHICAGO!!!
Former Congressman Joe Walsh is pure thrash! RINO Leftist bought and paid for by the DemocRATic party.
Which federal agencies can be notified of this abuse? Is the FOP calling EVERYONE?
6/17/2020 04:22:00 AM
Give 'em a ring & find out. 312-733-7776.
You could probably get the ball rolling by calling OSHA. 800-321-6742 (OSHA).
You have a great idea. You're a cop. Take charge. Don't wait for someone else to take action.
State labor law requires for a 20 minute meal period after 5 or 5.5 hours of work.
PTSD on medical now. Read up on it and exhibit all the signs for a good 9-12 months worth of medical leave.
Be careful going down that path. You may lose your FOID card. Getting it back could be a PITA, if at all. And if meds are involved it may be harder.
But also research the Americans with disabilities act.
Really need to consult with legal counsel experienced in this field.
Atlanta copper charged with murder?
Wtf is happening to my country?
Lots of protests scheduled for downtown Chicago for Friday and Saturday afternoon. BLM and "defund" the police protests mostly. With the indictment of those 2 Atlanta police officers (who did everything by the book) these aren't protests but victory celebrations. Expect more looting and injured officers unless there's rainstorms and bad weather this weekend. We're gonna really have to earn that overtime and officers are gonna be abandoned with the clueless bosses we have.
Seriously?! In midnight 66. Fuck this place. Can’t even care anymore about anything at work. Maybe I’m late to the party but fuck. This truly breaks the spirit. I’m done.
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Welcome to the Bright Side. 290 homicides, Rape-Man on the loose downtown, postal workers calling for your demise, working 24 straight days. The public doesn't care so why should you? You owe them NOTHING any longer. Survival is your only responsibility.
6/17/2020 08:10:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Everyone on this job needs to decide if their goal is to collect as much money as they can from the pension or have the highest monthly pension payment. You could stay an extra three or four years and maybe pick up an extra $1k a month in your pension check. Meanwhile, the guy who started collecting at 50 has four years and for the sake of the argument with a $5k a monthly pension has collected 48 payments and collected $240k already. It’ll take you 10 years of collecting to make up that $240k the other officer collected by staying four years longer, and for you to start outpacing what that other officer has collected. Imagine how long it’ll take if you only stay a year or two longer. I want as much as a can from the pension, but I wish people would give the math some thought dependent on their personal situation. I’d be shocked if 55 isn’t out this contract, so that probably won’t be a factor.
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Sorry for the typo, fat fingers. Sticking around extra years to make an extra $1k a month would take an officer 20 years of collecting a pension to catch up to the officer who already collected $240k from the fund. Not worth sticking around imo.
“ Anonymous said...
Everyone on this job needs to decide if their goal is to collect as much money as they can from the pension or have the highest monthly pension payment. You could stay an extra three or four years and maybe pick up an extra $1k a month in your pension check. Meanwhile, the guy who started collecting at 50 has four years and for the sake of the argument with a $5k a monthly pension has collected 48 payments and collected $240k already. It’ll take you 10 years of collecting to make up that $240k the other officer collected by staying four years longer, and for you to start outpacing what that other officer has collected. Imagine how long it’ll take if you only stay a year or two longer. I want as much as a can from the pension, but I wish people would give the math some thought dependent on their personal situation. I’d be shocked if 55 isn’t out this contract, so that probably won’t be a factor.
6/17/2020 08:19:00 AM”
20 years OTJ doesn’t get a 9161 a $5000 net pension.
Ya, I bet their will still be coppers and firemen puling the D lever again and again
Sue Sue Sue Lets push the peddle.
Anonymous said...
I've seen the hours sheet posted numerous times but each one states NOTHING about 1st watch officers. Do we not have to work the OT? Does this not apply to any 1st Watch officer? Can't someone post the full order?
6/17/2020 02:53:00 PM
Another exempt in the making, no doubt.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Everyone on this job needs to decide if their goal is to collect as much money as they can from the pension or have the highest monthly pension payment. You could stay an extra three or four years and maybe pick up an extra $1k a month in your pension check. Meanwhile, the guy who started collecting at 50 has four years and for the sake of the argument with a $5k a monthly pension has collected 48 payments and collected $240k already. It’ll take you 10 years of collecting to make up that $240k the other officer collected by staying four years longer, and for you to start outpacing what that other officer has collected. Imagine how long it’ll take if you only stay a year or two longer. I want as much as a can from the pension, but I wish people would give the math some thought dependent on their personal situation. I’d be shocked if 55 isn’t out this contract, so that probably won’t be a factor.
6/17/2020 08:19:00 AM
Very true and I’ve been contemplating this dilemma. I’m 50 and am dying to leave this ungrateful hating city but health insurance is the kicker. So, having a family makes it about them. Also not maxing out or at least staying till 55 means you need to find a decent paying job with benefits. You can’t just work at a golf course. Also, we’re out of a contract AGAIN pushing 4 years soon, so there could be things to wait for but doubtful. For a single guy leaving at 50 is a no brainer.
Hitting the medical tonight. See y’all in about two weeks
Boys and girls.......it is taxing. But, remember, the city does not care about you. After 29 years, you kinda figure this out. You love the job.... the job doesn't love you. Take CU when you can and fuck this city. Your mental / physical health is paramount.
Forget about the OT. Your family is what matters.
https://www.city-journal.org/html/policeman-wonderland-12268.html
INVICTUS
Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the Pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.
In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.
Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds, and shall find, me unafraid.
It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll.
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.
William Ernest Henley
(820 ILCS 140/2) One Day Rest In Seven Act Unless an emergency is declared, no days off is a violation of state law.
---- all you fools who refused to swipe screwed yourselves. For those of you working near a swipe machine, you should have been trying to swipe anytime you had a chance. Why, because the supervisors went back into the overtime system after you submitted your slip and changed the times and added lunch. Swipe reports don’t lie. I asked my supervisor to print my swipe report from the start of 12-hr days to the present. Then I went in, and printed copies of all the overtime slips the supervisor changed. I compared the original slips submitted to the time swipe report and then to the changed slips. I kept detailed notes of my entire days work. My notes include start and end times, watch and watch changed, time on posts, bus number and driver and if available CTA Supervisor and change of locations. I made a note of washroom availability and access to food and water. I also listed refusals for lunch and breaks. I have the rosters of every platoon I was on with personal cell numbers I have a list of the sergeants assigned to the platoon, including Lieutenants and above for each day. If we were told to watch business, I made sure to speak to the manager at the business and take note of his or her name, time of conversation, and why we were there. I have enough documentation to support a lawsuit. How many of you can say the same? This job is like a game of chess. If you want to win, you better play by their rules and beat them at their own game. I suggest you all ask for your swipe reports if you swiped, and hopefully, you created some type of log to track your days worked. I have been screwed over before, and I have vowed never to let that happen again. Oh, and a big FU to Lightfoot.
SIGNED-- Someone who follows stupid rules-- laughing all the way to the bank
Everyone on this job needs to decide if their goal is to collect as much money as they can from the pension or have the highest monthly pension payment. You could stay an extra three or four years and maybe pick up an extra $1k a month in your pension check. Meanwhile, the guy who started collecting at 50 has four years and for the sake of the argument with a $5k a monthly pension has collected 48 payments and collected $240k already. It’ll take you 10 years of collecting to make up that $240k the other officer collected by staying four years longer, and for you to start outpacing what that other officer has collected. Imagine how long it’ll take if you only stay a year or two longer. I want as much as a can from the pension, but I wish people would give the math some thought dependent on their personal situation. I’d be shocked if 55 isn’t out this contract, so that probably won’t be a factor.
6/17/2020 08:19:00 AM
Not to mention a second, and likely less stressful career while collecting that early out pension. And figure that the average used to be 7 years post retirement till mortality status start rising. I personally wouldn't stay on without captain's bars past 50. We aren't guaranteed anything, and spending an extra 5 of my Golden Years on the beach beats the hell out of having someone like Groot just waiting to put the rug out from under me.
PTSD on medical now. Read up on it and exhibit all the signs for a good 9-12 months worth of medical leave.
Be careful going down that path. You may lose your FOID card. Getting it back could be a PITA, if at all. And if meds are involved it may be harder.
But also research the Americans with disabilities act.
Really need to consult with legal counsel experienced in this field.
6/17/2020 03:58:00 PM
PTSD isn't about being crazy. Chronic pain is legitimate. Research stressors and use them. By all means consult all sources, but don't be afraid to use all the tools available.
I am a citizen and just spent the last half hour reading every comment from the post with 250 comments and this post all re: LE not having any days off. I was crying. What the fuck kind of world do we live in that you cannot take days off working 12 hour shifts. I It is INHUMANE! Listen, I live part time in Chicago and my neighborhood (11) was ruined. I will not come back except to pack up the condo and get the hell out of there. There has to be somewhere else you all can go for work. Some other town, maybe a small town, you can go. Or quit and start your own damn police department. That evil thing, I can't say what I want to here, that beast, that non-human POS that is pretending to be a mayor is going to burn in hell for what she is doing to you all. I don't know, nor do I want to know, what happened to her in her life that made her so full of hatred, rage and ugliness, but she has a much right to be mayor as one of my cats. You are staring evil in the face very single day, for people you do not know and this is how you are repaid? Honestly, please stop working for this POS. I pray for all of you every single day and I thank you for all that you do. It's not much, I know, but as I sit here reading this, feeling sick to my stomach, I just don't know what else to say. God Bless! Stay safe. Go on Medical for weeks. I am sure you have the time coming to you.
Anonymous said...
Tell the mayor to offer us a 5 year buyout. That would help reduce some of the 15 year+ guys on the job. Currently about 6000 with over 15 years.
6/17/2020 08:03:00 AM
I think Bridgeview PD has this
Anonymous Anonymous said...
One thing I know is our National FOP sucks. Where are they when cops all over the country are getting screwed. Look at Atlanta. Justified shoot and he still got fired.
6/17/2020 04:57:00 AM
FOP only gets involved when the officers involved are actually members of FOP. That's how unions work. Neither Minneapolis or Atlanta officers belong to FOP.
Sorry for the typo, fat fingers. Sticking around extra years to make an extra $1k a month would take an officer 20 years of collecting a pension to catch up to the officer who already collected $240k from the fund. Not worth sticking around imo.
6/17/2020 04:36:00 PM
Now figure in medical insurance for you and the family.
Here’s something to chew on. If the police are the focus of all that’s wrong in the world, Why are we forced to “protect” the peaceful protesters? My suggestion is to redeploy all the troops to where they are welcomed and have hmmmmm! Monterrey Security service protect the protesters!🤔
WIN! WIN!
Blogger Ludlow Peaswatter said...
INVICTUS
Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the Pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.
In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.
Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds, and shall find, me unafraid.
It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll.
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.
William Ernest Henley
6/17/2020 09:24:00 PM
“Invictus” was written when Henley was in the hospital being treated for Tuberculosis of the bone, also known as Pott's disease. The poem is about showing undivided courage in the face of death and keeping the dignity against all the hardships in life.
Anonymous said...
Tell the mayor to offer us a 5 year buyout. That would help reduce some of the 15 year+ guys on the job. Currently about 6000 with over 15 years.
6/17/2020 08:03:00 AM
I think Bridgeview PD has this
6/18/2020 02:45:00 AM
What Bridgeview has or gets has nothing to do with us. They have like 48 officers
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