Underwood Win
Big news from Krislov and Associates:
- Participants,
WE WON A REVERSAL!!! We're in the process of moving our offices to suite 1006, and we'll forward a copy of the opinion tomorrow, but the Appellate Court reversed Judge Cohen’s holding that the Funds' obligations are limited to the statutory subsidy, and the covered group extends to everyone hired by June 30, 2003, remanding the case to actually decide the Funds’ obligation to contract or provide coverage for retirees.
As you’ll recall, the Funds previously acknowledged their obligation, and asserted that they’d contracted the City as the insurer. And, Judge Cohen himself previously ruled that they had the obligation, and ordered them to start fulfilling that obligation.
We’re not done, not by a long shot, but we’re back in the fight for you!
More later.
Excellent news.
Labels: good news
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
40 Comments:
You had me at Underwood.
It's a typewriter fetish.
Well it sounds like good news. Can someone explain what it means to some of us that are not familiar with this case.
This case has been long and costly. I have been kicking money every once in while to them since they started. The FOP did once several years ago. And it needs to happen again.
“Brown said Chicago's violence is complex, stemming from multiple issues, such as poverty“
My grandparents came to this fucking country 100 years ago more improvised than these ass fucking holes in the ‘hoods. 100 years ago, the government did not wipe people’s asses with free link cards, free rent, free phones, free money through tax returns (eg (un)earned tax credit), free medical care (eg Medicaid), and the list goes on and on and on.
You know what? My grandparents earned shit at extreme meager jobs their whole lives and died penniless - every fucking one of them. But you know what? They NEVER fucking EVER turned to crime as an excuse for their poverty. Not fucking once. Why? Because every one of them believed in a God and their existence in life was to choose good over evil everyday without some bullshit excuse.
So my question is this ... Why are these fucking libtards always making excuses for these assholes in the ‘hood because “they’re poor.” Not a good enough excuse for me - they’re just assholes in these ‘hoods - plain and simple!
Ok I’m not sure what this is. Can someone fill us in? I’m not a retiree but interested.
So the Appellate Court reversed Judge Neil COHEN on promised healthcare which was arbitrarily taken away by that Emanuel piece of shit.
Cohen is the husband of Shortshanks' former Corporation Counsel Susan S. Sher, the former Chief of Staff and BFF of Michelle Obama, the wife of former President Barack Hussein Obama.
Anybody smell a big fat rat? Underwood, et al. v. the City of Chicago class-action plaintiffs didn't stand a chance at a fair trial under DemocRAT Judge Neil COHEN. "The Chicago Way" of cursed political corruption must be destroyed.
Well well... that piece of shit Rahm Emanuel will be upset to hear about this. He took GREAT pride in taking away the medical subsidy for 30 thousand City of Chicago retirees. He even bragged about it in his emails that were seen in a FOIA under another scandal he was being investigated under. Many of those that retired faced the hardship of no health care insurance or astronomical premiums that gutted their pension for a benefit that they were promised when they worked for decades. We all hope the curse of that decision rains down upon you 9 1/2.
Awesome!!!!!! Keep up the fight!
I hope the pension can sustain this Besides the erosion of the tax base, I hear 1000 officers have announced their intentions to retire in 2021 many in January Not that I blame them
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Anonymous said...
Well it sounds like good news. Can someone explain what it means to some of us that are not familiar with this case.
7/01/2020 12:22:00 AM
The city is on the hook and must pay for retirees health insurance...
So my question is this ... Why are these fucking libtards always making excuses for these assholes in the ‘hood because “they’re poor.” Not a good enough excuse for me - they’re just assholes in these ‘hoods - plain and simple!
7/01/2020 12:37:00 AM
Great point!!
"My grandparents came to this fucking country 100 years ago more improvised than these ass fucking holes in the ‘hoods. 100 years ago, the government did not wipe people’s asses with free link cards, free rent, free phones, free money through tax returns (eg (un)earned tax credit), free medical care (eg Medicaid), and the list goes on and on and on.
You know what? My grandparents earned shit at extreme meager jobs their whole lives and died penniless - every fucking one of them. But you know what? They NEVER fucking EVER turned to crime as an excuse for their poverty. Not fucking once. Why? Because every one of them believed in a God and their existence in life was to choose good over evil everyday without some bullshit excuse.
So my question is this ... Why are these fucking libtards always making excuses for these assholes in the ‘hood because “they’re poor.” Not a good enough excuse for me - they’re just assholes in these ‘hoods - plain and simple!"
7/01/2020 12:37:00 AM
AMEN!! My parents came from Ireland totally impoverished to send money back home. We had nothing but faith, family and HARD WORK!
Great news.
I first heard about this case over breakfast with 3 wagon guys in early 1988.
They thought they wouldn’t be able to retire and pay for insurance.
They were all in their late 50s and had just maxed out, coming on the job in 1955-56.
I had 2 years on the job.
I retired this year and it’s still going on.
Jarndyce vs. Jarndyce.......
"I hope the pension can sustain this Besides the erosion of the tax base, I hear 1000 officers have announced their intentions to retire in 2021 many in January Not that I blame them
7/01/2020 03:34:00 AM"
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I remember when 500-600 was pretty normal. 1000 will be the most ever retiring in one year. Then, with them not hiring, it will put the ranks in the hole, like when we were 3000 short under Daley and Rham. That's how they started this city circling the drain.
So what’s the deal with this case? Sorry Don’t know about, so if you were hired prior to that mentioned date in 2003 you get free healthcare correct? Any city employee cpd, cc’d, streets and San etc?
“So my question is this ... Why are these fucking libtards always making excuses for these assholes in the ‘hood because “they’re poor.” Not a good enough excuse for me - they’re just assholes in these ‘hoods - plain and simple!
7/01/2020 12:37:00 AM”
“Because there’s gold in dem der hills, son”.
“Trial lawyers need more work?”
“Shit rolls down hill 🤮 Puke”
And for those hired after? Say like in 2004 that were hired under the old contract because they had not agreed to terms of the new contract as of yet?
Can I get a brief synopsis on this. I don’t know what this means.
Good job. Keep it up.
2:30 AM
It's 2 AM, the gun's still warm
Someone has had their way with that Spawn of a Spawn,
Rahm Emanuel. Imaginations run wild.
12:37 AM
Complex Violence
Brown probably cobbled that quote together from Time/
Newsweek or an old Economist copy he found on a shoe
shine bench in the basement of a courthouse. Either that
or Lightfoot is feeding him email coaching. Hey, Joe.
Where is Joe Ferguson now? BTW, Fergie is vested so he
could give a fucking shit.
Floating Crap Game Rumor: Beck gave Brown a thesaurus
on his way out.
Let's not forget Rahm also closed all the mental health clinics in Chicago making CPD jobs near impossible.
Any refunds coming???
I smell a big, fat retro!!!
Non Medicare BC/BS for one person $1,800.00 a month !!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You had me at Underwood.
It's a typewriter fetish.
7/01/2020 12:19:00 AM
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Clever but young'uns won't get it.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Ok I’m not sure what this is. Can someone fill us in? I’m not a retiree but interested.
7/01/2020 12:49:00 AM
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Continue to read comments and put the dots together, or, there's this thing called Google.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This case has been long and costly. I have been kicking money every once in while to them since they started. The FOP did once several years ago. And it needs to happen again.
7/01/2020 12:26:00 AM
Maybe this time our “brothers” in the CFD union May chose to contribute
Hopefully the appellate court ruling will stand Then the city will have to appeal to the state Supreme Court and they will have two choices
One to hear the case and they would have a hard time ruling against the appellate court because the Supreme Court ruled in favor of state retirees in a similar or exact case for the retirees in 2014 and the second choice would be to not hear the case like they did before. But this time if they rule not to hear the case, the appellate court ruling stands which wasn’t the case in 2014. This is good news
So...when will the overturning the overturned?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjG5Jay9KzqAhXSK80KHdQlBTQQFjAAegQIARAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Flaw.justia.com%2Fcases%2Fillinois%2Fcourt-of-appeals-first-appellate-district%2F2020%2F1-18-21801.html&usg=AOvVaw3Nq5Yz-Pi5IjTP3VJs6FpM
I remember when 500-600 was pretty normal. 1000 will be the most ever retiring in one year. Then, with them not hiring, it will put the ranks in the hole, like when we were 3000 short under Daley and Rham. That's how they started this city circling the drain.
7/01/2020 07:00:00 AM
1000 is a rumor, will never happen. Been saying that for years. Lines around Personnel rumored, still only 500 to 600 a year
As far as 3,000 officers short, never happened
In a nut Shell: In 2016 Emanuel began phasing out the subsidy the city has historically provided for retirees’ health care three years ago. Prior to that, the city helped cover the cost of supplemental insurance for the bulk of retirees who received Medicare. The city paid 55 percent of the cost of health insurance for a smaller group that isn’t eligible for Medicare. They may have retired early, perhaps taking one of the early retirement packages the city has offered, or their tenure may have overlapped with the period when not all city employees were enrolled in Medicare.
Without the city subsidy, Medicare recipients would end up paying hundreds of dollars more each year. But the non-Medicare retirees were most vulnerable ¬– they would lose coverage entirely – and a 2013 mayoral commission promised that once the Affordable Care Act set up state insurance exchanges, many, if not most of them, would get better deals there than they had with the city.
Emanuel relied on this argument to sell the health care cut. “Retirees who are not eligible for Medicare will continue to have a broad range of healthcare plan options available to them at the Illinois Health Insurance Exchange,” the mayor’s office argued in a statement issued in September. That was total Bullshit!
As the phaseout proceeded, retiree costs have risen dramatically. Many retirees qualified for limited subsidies, or they earned just a little too much to get any subsidies at all. Some would end up paying a third or more of their fixed incomes on health care. Some will be driven into poverty by rising health costs. And quite possibly, some will find it impossible to afford health insurance.
Meanwhile, the portion of city employees who aren’t covered by Medicare is steadily shrinking, as Medicare coverage has been expanded and retirement ages have been pushed back. The group currently amounts to about 5,000 out of the city’s 35,000 retirees.
The cost of covering them is a significant portion of the $109 million the city was spending on health insurance before Emanuel’s cuts. But compare it to the half billion dollars or so the city collects in TIF funds each year.
Emanuel lists eliminating health coverage as one of the “tough choices” he’s made. Throwing people out in the cold is more than tough, however – it’s brutal. Rahm, you piece of shit.
“Brown said Chicago's violence is complex, stemming from multiple issues, such as poverty“
My grandparents came to this fucking country 100 years ago more improvised than these ass fucking holes in the ‘hoods. 100 years ago, the government did not wipe people’s asses with free link cards, free rent, free phones, free money through tax returns (eg (un)earned tax credit), free medical care (eg Medicaid), and the list goes on and on and on.
You know what? My grandparents earned shit at extreme meager jobs their whole lives and died penniless - every fucking one of them. But you know what? They NEVER fucking EVER turned to crime as an excuse for their poverty. Not fucking once. Why? Because every one of them believed in a God and their existence in life was to choose good over evil everyday without some bullshit excuse.
So my question is this ... Why are these fucking libtards always making excuses for these assholes in the ‘hood because “they’re poor.” Not a good enough excuse for me - they’re just assholes in these ‘hoods - plain and simple.
100 years ago you could get a job. But since then, many companies, factories, etc have either gone out if business or relocated somewhere else, usually to a foreign country where labor is cheaper.That, and the ones who like to stir the pot, or the idea that selling drugs and being in a gang are your only options. I do not know how we can change this. I wish I did.
Just means the pension plans will be even less well funded. Makes it more likely they have no choice but bankruptcy.
This is Chicago. The crooked bastards running things get the rulings they want from the courts. Gives them some political cover when they make it legal for Chicago to go bankrupt.
AMEN!! My parents came from Ireland totally impoverished to send money back home. We had nothing but faith, family and HARD WORK!
7/01/2020 06:30:00 AM
The good old days. The mindset was so different back then. Now, after 50 + years of this insidious neo-marxist socialist creep, everyone thinks they are owed something by the government. Unfortunately, I don't believe we can vote ourselves out of this mess. I give it 10-12 years before the U.S. is "balkanized". Wouldn't it be ironic to see thousands of U.S. citizens with Irish heritage move back to Ireland!
Abandoned house tear downs, vermin exterminator, auto mechanic and house rehabs are some examples of jobs. 😑
7/01/2020 08:02:00 AM
Anonymous said...
And for those hired after? Say like in 2004 that were hired under the old contract because they had not agreed to terms of the new contract as of yet?
7/01/2020 08:04:00 AM
Presumably they're young enough to either go into another career or plan better for retirement. People who put 25-40 years into this joke of a dept.and retired under conditions that were expected and agreed to by all never had that chance.
The Illinois Appellate Court came out with a ruling on an interlocutory appeal in which they decided (2) issues: #1 whether the motion to compel the Funds (retirement funds) to create a health care plan for retirees was barred - it is NOT barred (this was remanded back to the circuit court for consideration) and #2 the establishment of eligibility under the 1983 pension statute. The court decided anyone hired prior to mid 2003 is covered by the 1983 statute.
The 1983 statute is not great. It provides coverage at a fixed rate premium of $55 (non-Medicare eligible)or $21 per month (Medicare eligible), with the annuitant paying only for spouse or dependent coverage. There are no percentages in the statute. They are fixed rate. Percentages would have been better. And the statute expressly states "To the extent that health insurance premiums exceeded the monthly subsidies, the excess was to be deducted from a retiree’s monthly annuity unless that individual elected to terminate the coverage. "
But the big plus that I can see is that the Funds might be forced to create healthcare plans. I do not see why the circuit court would not force the Funds to do that, as that language is also expressly in the 1983 statute. The Funds seemed to argue they are only on the hook for provide the premiums. It might be the Funds create healthcare plans that are super expensive. In that case this whole lawsuit amounts to pretty much nothing. I guess we'll see. There are different rules for cops hired pre-1989 (I think they get the 50% City contribution or something along those lines), and I know some of these guys are obviously still on the job, but they are 55 or very close to it, so it really doesn't matter to them a whole lot.
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