FOP Walks Away - Arbitration?
He gave them every opportunity to negotiate:
Brothers and Sisters,
As I previously informed you, the city was told to respond by 3pm today on whether the 11.5% offer was achievable or not and what it would take to make that happen. Clearly they have not been bargaining in good faith. They waited till EXACTLY 3PM to send they reply today. They have rejected that offer as unreasonable. In return, a response was sent to them.
The city was informed that the 11.5% is now off the table for good and we are reverting to our original counter offer of 17%. Any and all discipline reform talks are also now off the table going forward. Those 2 issues will end up in arbitration at some point. We will continue to negotiate parts of the contract wherever possible. When we a hit wall on all matters, we will then proceed to arbitration on whatever has not been resolved.
All this after the Mayor twisted enough arms to get her budget passed this afternoon which not only increased property taxes but also cut over 600 CPD sworn job from our budget. That is a quasi defund the police move. 29 Alderman voted for that budget. Their names will be published tomorrow.
John Catanzara Jr.
This is a good fight to have - we've been working through the "pandemic," having days off canceled and pretty working every holiday.
Teachers got how much and they haven't been in a classroom since March? And they're still only contributing 2% to their pensions.
How about start running more police officers for aldercreature? The "defund" movement is a failure nationwide...even here in Chicago. Los Angeles record ed its 300th homicide after years of declines. Start hammering the issue. Instead of offering endorsements, start running candidates. Even if we're splitting votes, we might be affecting incumbents.
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
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John got the tiger by the tail...
Napolitino is number 1 due to darbro and madigan.
can the fop fight to have the city pay even more for days off canceled? If it cost them more then they might just think twice about canceling us all of the time. I like my time off.
Well, that rumor of a proposed pay cut isn't all that far fetched in today's economy after all. The city knows something we don't. Arbitration will go their way regardless. So don't spend your retro on that Jeep w/ Punisher stickers just yet.
The arbitrator will not consider other professions when ruling on what sides raise he will approve. So the teacher argument is pointless. Also not going to arbitration for the financial aspect sooner was a bad move. The city can cry poor like they always do and mean it this time due to covid. These are the first of many mistakes that will take place due to the fact that not one person elected to the Fop now has ever negotiated a contract.
OT. Sgt’s in 010 having officers on the medical or IOD give their log in to other officers to they can complete their e learning before comp stat. Or demanding they do e-learning at home while on the medical or IOD. Tell these idiots to pound sand unless you can fill out a OT slip or better yet don’t answer to their nonsense. We all know the commander and his side kick are giving these orders. Now go get some activity you young bucks.
Defund movement working wonders in the high rent areas. I don't wish harm on another, that's bad karma, but when the lakeview liberals are getting carjacked at an alarming rate, I have no tears to cry and no fucks to give.
This is what you marched for and voted for. Enjoy your new normal. It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. Just be glad it was your vehicle and not several pints of your blood or your dignity that was taken. Here is your report, please, just shut the hell up and get in the ambo and not get any of you on me.
>"Los Angeles recorded its 300th homicide."
Slackers.
Heyjackass is currently reporting ours at 719.
If New York is under 719, we're number one.
Napolitano endorsed Darbo. He was silent about the Ward being stripped of officers in favor of downtown. Lastly, he snubbed President Trump when he landed at O'hare.
Napolitano will not get a single vote from my household!
Catanzara is a naive for having ever thought she was going to negotiate with him. He is in over his head and can demand the moon, but at the end of the day she was never going to negotiate on a even keel. All you did was add 6 more months to Officers not receiving a raise. January 1st has been 4 years for most officers since seeing a raise, while the cost of living has absolutely skyrocketed. Some will say he fought the good fight, to what end, we are back to the exact point we were 6 months ago and no closer to settling. We brought blanks to this gunfight.
I'd recommend backing John Garrido again but he lost twice for Alderman, and also ran and lost for Cook County Board President and recently to become a judge. His ship has probably sailed politically. Still, he was close to winning the first time for Alderman so maybe study what he did right and wrong.
I'm glad John decided to take the gloves off. Fuck them, fuck this hoodtrash mayor, fuck these charlatans, corrupt domestic terrorists. Eat shit when you cry for more police presence or "proactive" policing tactics. You'd rather fill the deep coffers of your own office, hoodtrash, swamp rats, and shell corps. Keep voting blue and believing these IL democrats are Gods greatness children, they are the "doing good" . I can't wait again to laugh at this city to burn again and turns into Baghdad 2003-2005. Fuck them, defend the homeland.
-Angry Cop
Im all in and Im rooting for FOP on this one...obviously. Im not a troll and im not a scab, I just remember all too well our prior contract negotiating history. Why though, is the FOP not telling us what the City offered? The city offered the same exact pay as what the firemen got and which the Sgts, Lts and Captains ultimately got from the me too. I dont know if you guys remember, but in one of our prior contract disputes in 2010, the FOP turned down the cities offer. The offer from the city was 16 percent!!!! The FOP turned it down, they wanted 22 percent which we ALL knew 22 percent was unreasonable. The mayors office, fop and entire department figured the arbitrator would give the FOP the original 16 percent because that was the original offer on the table and thats what the CFD had also just gotten. Well, what happened?? An arbitrator came back and only gave the FOP 10 percent which we HAD to take.. Mayor Daley actually sat on a press conference and laughed at us. This time around the fire department and sgts got 10.5 percent which is what the city offered us also. Are we really turning this whole thing to an arbitrator for 1 percent??? The city is in a major fiscal hole that is not getting better and wont get better when arbitration comes. The city will already cry broke that 2021 is already in a big hole to start off with and will just get worse with the year. Just so we all know, an arbitrator can easily come back and only give us 6,7,8,9 or 10 percent... The FOP wont even mention now what the CFD got or the Sgts got because its going to go for the 17 percent all or nothing and the 11.5 percent conversation and what the sgts got is now irrelevant because the FOP turned the 10.5 percent down and the FOP wont ask for 11.5 percent because they will only now push for 17 percent... so the arbitrator will see no other numbers except 17 percent which will NEVER HAPPEN in this financial climate. The city will do the same thing as 2010.. they cited the big 2008/2009 market drop out and the city was broke and the arbitrator ruled accordingly and only gave 10 percent. In this case, the city is DRASTICALLY more broke than 2008 and 2009. The arbitrator now cannot even see what the sgts and Lts got because the FOP can only talk about why they need 17 percent. They cant present it as we want 17 percent but if we dont get that then just give us the same as the CFD and Sgts. No, the arbitrator can even go on to say 1 percent a year based on the financial hardships. I really really hope the FOP is not gambling all of this for a difference of 1 percent because we could all be sitting with 10.5 percent right now, getting retro and having a new contract talk starting next year for the next contract. The city offered 10.5, the FOP wanted 11.5 and neither budged. I belive the FOP wants to say it got more than any other union and "won".. Thats fine, but this isnt the time to look for a little win with 1 percent. I stand by this as saying this is a bad idea. We WILL not get 17 percent and I fear we wont get better than the sgts and CFD and I dread the outcome if we get less, which is a HUGE possibility. God help us if we get an unfriendly arbitrator. The sgts had a extremly pro union arbitrator and consulted with this arbitrator prior to settling with the city for the 10.5 percent. The pro union arbitrator told them DONT GO TO ARBITRATION ON THE WAGES, THE CITY GAVE YOU A FAIR OFFER.. IF I WERE YOU TAKE IT. So, the sgts union took it and avoided arbitration on wages. Guess what, that was in September, prior to COVID. What does that tell you???
Lightfoot is truly and evil soulless person. It’s beyond words how horrible she treats Chicago’s police officers. Runs them into the ground, bashes and berates, while calling upon them for all of Chicago’s heavy lifting. She negotiated a pay raise for CFD, teachers, labor unions and even CPDs supervisors, but not the patrolman? Talk about dividing blue shirts and white shirts. It’s nearly 4 years without a contract. Why? What did cops do to deserve this? This will do so much damage to Chicago’s ability to attract people to the job. Why would anyone? Where are the weak coward aldermen? Lightfoot is one horrible human being if she’s even human at all.
11.5% is peanuts and Lightfoot said no to that? I hope the arbitrator makes her regret that. What a terrible person. Never trust her again FOP.
Lightfoot hates the Police. We are the only one working the whole time:( and we get treated like shit!
Good , make em drop the age !!!!!!
Running candidates is the only way to make a correction in course. The entire city government is corrupt and needs an enema. Starting at the top.
Get up Bell, we have a job to do
Did you really think it was gonna go any other way? Larry Lightloafers may be in over her (?) head, ignorant, out of touch with reality, condescending, hypocritical, vindictive and abrasive... just to name a few things.
But one thing she (?) is not is stupid. Johns regular appearances at city council meetings wearing “Groot” and other inflammatory shirts and jerseys did not go unnoticed, nor are they forgotten. Ditto the thousands of ignorant, childish, defamatory and borderline libelous posts here and elsewhere calling her (?) out for a myriad of things.
Don’t get me wrong... I wouldn’t piss on her (?) if she were on fire - I despise the bitch as much as the next person. That said, if you were in Groot’s shoes, how would YOU play ball with a union who’s membership openly lambasts you at every turn? I appreciate that John and Co. are fighting for the membership unlike any prior regime in my time, but they can get as loud and animated as their little hearts desire. It may give the unaware within the membership a tingle to see the mayor regularly challenged and called-out on bullshit, but it doesn’t mean a fucking thing. We’ll get what we demand and deserve when we’re able to strike or participate in a job action without fear of being fired. Which will be NEVER
I for one hope this shit drags out a few more years so I can retire under the provisions of the current contract. Don’t expect an arbitrator to come to our rescue, either. History shows who’s interests they represent at the end of the day (HINT: it AIN’T ours).
Remember this post when the dust clears and we’ve lost a ton more than we’ve gained.
Love this Cantanzara. The guy has balls. Go to arbitration, have nothing to lose and everything to gain. Some might say an arbitrator could give us less. Well, not really. The city is probably making and not budging off completely unreasonable discipline provisions and gutting our protections. An arbitrator is only employed regularly if he’s pretty much middle of the road. If he has established a history of siding more with municipalities over unions, or vice versa, he won’t be agreed to by one side. The money is the money and we will most likely only get the 10% that CFD got, but when an arbitrator sees all the RDOs we were forced to work they may give us a little more. This thing won’t be settled for at the very least 8 months for now and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s another 10-14 months.
For properties valued under $250,000 it'll be a net $56 dollar increase. For properties valued above $250,000-sky is the limit.
Since they just voted to allow property tax increases, the raise should be adjusted for that. Or allow us to move out of the city. But it looks like Cat is just that. A pussy cat with no real bite. Cat, just because you won the election on the promise of being a big voice, doesn't mean you actually know how to negotiate. Close your mouth and open your ears. That way you won't end up like shields.
And now she cut 600 officers from the budget? Is she crazy?
“Teachers got how much and they haven't been in a classroom since March? And they're still only contributing 2% to their pensions.“
Why yes they did. The teacher unions nationwide give big bucks and support to the Democrat Party. They also indoctrinate our children for these socialists/communists.
The police will never get anything because they are too conservative, usually don’t support Democrat candidates, don’t send them globs of money. And they arrest the constituents of the Democrats.
Law Enforcement at all levels across the country are being targeted. Criminals are being celebrated and police demonized. If the goofy boss pushes too hard for activity hit the medical.
Police Chief Angela Greene fired in retaliation as felony charges were dismissed against Senator Louise Lucas
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/virginia-police-chief-fired-felony-charges-dropped-confederate-vandalism-case-n1247925
If this were something I could place a wager on in LV, you Always net against The CPD. Chicago doesn’t even view the FOP a a legitimate entity. Dean Angelo probed where The FOP lies when being made love to by The City.
How many wins in Contracts have The CPD put up in the last /0 Years?
WTF
History is repeating itself again
-Bera, Yogi
We will get screwed in arbitration. Don t expect a good raise for us. Looking in the past, has it been good to us? Screw GROOT, work slow down.
He gave them every opportunity to negotiate ? The first thing that the person who won the election did was to demand he be sworn in and take the keys to the former President’ s office . There was no transition and we were in arbitration deciding in on an arbitrator named Rhommel . He was going to get a “ new set of eyes “ to negotiate . This gave the Mayor more time to put together her plans to attack our members . This guy has burnt more bridges than anyone I have ever seen . People will come to realize he’s all talk and has no plan . What about residency ? Where’s the lawsuit ? Fraternalism from a guy whose obtained more cr numbers than any cop I know . To the ones who voted for him own up to it . Don’t worry when the time comes he will lie to the members “ again going forward ,” look at the bright side . Sorry the sun went down a long time ago !
Sooner or later the Pres of FOP will figure out just file the arbitration already, it will b another year and half before the Arbitration is finalized. This mayor is an IGNORANT piece of 💩, she does not care or support the police and anyone doing anything other than answering your calls is a moron
Great fight John. I hope it gets done or arbitration soon going on Four years is to much. If 600 positions were removed from the budget, new compensation formula’s should be written in to the new contract and residency for all these old and new officers that can’t afford to live in the city.
Fight On.
Well now our raises should be as much as property tax increase to cover cost of living in this shithole!
Waited for the last hour to say no. The mayor doesnt care for the police and what they did to po's this year to hold the line for the city from the pandemic to the protesting and looting. We will be going into 4 years with no contract. The new FOP tried but it was still fixed. And the idea of a Federal bailout for chicago is such a pipe dream. And all this training they are forcing by the end of the year and no following covid practices is dangerous and another indication that the mayor does not care for us. One can say that the mayor has put in motion to defund the police, eliminating 600 police jobs. Only having 26 new recruits being hired. 2020 has tested the cpd, the many po's quitting and or po's who will retire next year will be huge. i cant bring myself to say answer your calls and stay safe. its not even worth it to answer the calls of service with a mayor that doesnt have the decency to give us a contract. We all know where this going to lead us next year, more rdo's cancelled, 12 hr days just to fill the void. We all see it know with the manpower in the districts being low and not safe. To all the po's out there stay safe.
Long overdue.
Given this development this contract could in essence be expired already after it is approved if it ends up as a 4 year deal and is ratified after 6/2021. Rahmbo tried to cut police positions and it bit him in the ass. History is a great teacher if you pay attention to it.
Keep racing to those jobs.
CPD for Aldermen wow great idea. Those running will be merit who else would get Machine backing. Without that backing they are unelectable Democrats in this city. So you want merit hacks sitting ruling the city. Not much different then what you have now except they would be ex CPD. Terrible idea. How about finding some Republican non Machine beholding candidates and backing them financially and physically. Time and money are what it takes to get someone elected.
The "Defund" movement is a highly coordinated effort to replace police with sparkles' brownshirts.
This isn't happening in a vacuum. This is the communist left "rebuilding" America in China's image and under China's control.
It's war by non-military means. Has been for the past 25 years.
Why should they fight? It was much cheaper and more efficient to just buy our politicians. We fund our demise with cheap, subsidized goods. Our industrial base has been driven to extinction. Our tech companies simply resell what is made in China. They bow to with wishes of Beijing. Our "educators" and "journalists" who have never spent day one under a communist regime exhort the virtues of socialism day in and day out. The products of the relentless indoctrination ravage our cities and social systems with relentless demands. It's breaking the back of the economy.
Who really would have thought that LL would have agreed to these demands? Time to spend some money put a legitimate negotiating team together to stick it to this rat mayor. I’m sick of hearing about these idle FOP threats about “we really mean it this time” and the hard line stance. Any raise we get not will hopefully cover the taxes she forced on the city.
Arbitration is long overdue and it’s time to show membership that we are sick of this second class citizen approach by the city. Maybe it’s time for a back the blue march.
Off topic a bit I’ll take 4100 shot with 756 not making the New Years festivities.
as long as you get a level headed arbitrator, things will be fine.....
if we get some left wing nut job, well, houston, we have a problem.
Here we go again another year of nothing. Won't be settled until after next Mayoral election she cannot afford to look like she caved into CPD demands. Arbitration is not the best option now because city is in a perfect position to cry poor and prove that fact. All revenues are way down with no end in sight. Arbitrator will be forced to agree with that fact and issue find it very hated to agree to your 17% demand or even the 11.5% based on city financial situation. You could realistically be looking at a 1-2% settlement. Sorry people the reality of your situation sucks and your Lodge should have demanded arbitration 3 years ago but they didn't. Good Luck. Your real problem is any contract settlement will be eaten up in new taxes and fees by city, state and county government actions.
"You must comply!"
- Lori
Remove residency!!!!!!!!
"Starts with F, and ends with a U!"
- Lori
Without a contract this long is a failure on the FOP and the city. Ridiculous!
Good job, John.
Hang tough.
Should have went to arbitration years ago. Why even bother with this tyrant? She hates CPD. Do nothing but answer your calls. Give them what they deserve....nothing. But yet, you still have guys running around getting numbers and other bs, wtf is the matter with you? They will throw you under the bus and fuck you over in a heartbeat even when you do the right thing but "it" looks bad.
Kid Gallihad Says:
CPD is now just another pathetic, politically motivated Socialist Organization. Gone forever are the true Crimefighters of yesteryear, and the tough bosses who let them do what they had to do to fight crime and keep control of the mean streets of Chicago.
Not sure why the FOP pulled out of arbitration in the first place. These jerkoffs with the city do this shit all the time . They drag their feet , cancel meetings and then demand the we the membership forfeit everything for a few percent raise.
Now you are onto something...Police Officers actually entering politics and backing their own candidates and getting out the vote...maybe you could talk to CFD and other city workers and band together to start a sorely needed revolution/revolt against the democratic tax & spend and tax & tax and bankrupt the city, county and state...and just where the HELL does all this money go??? In the pockets of the politicians, their supporters, the special interest people, and the flavor of the month from the democratic leaders...
The Alder Creatures are a bunch of pussies, afraid to stand up against the Weasel!
Keep up the fight , Thank you JCAT ! The line is drawn with this idiot mayor, either bow down to her socialist democratic demands or stand up and fight against it, she will not attempt to ruin and disgrace our duties and the
people who go to work everyday to keep this city safe. Sorry she don’t like true Police work,( typical liberal stance) THAT needs to be addressed with HER community. Remember one thing my brothers and sisters, you have to pay for quality, if not, you get what you pay for !!
Now , Let’s get ready to rumble !
Cutting 600 policemen. Fantastic. So where exactly are the 600 bodies coming from... the mayors detail? City hall security? The numerous other security details? Are they permanently Dow I g specific cars in districts? How about cutting the CAPS program altogether? Are they cutting the Detective Division? If so exactly what crimes are no longer going to be investigated?
Politicians see to understand that there are consequences to their actions. This “do more with less” bs has got to stop. Some of these police assigned to Public Saftey Teams (many by reverse seniority ) and District Tactical Teams have had most of not all of their holiday weekends cancelled and they were required to work. On many occasions they worked 12 hour days. They also pulled Detectives who carry a case load and are responsible to submit reports in a timely out of their offices and posted them on street corners downtown to make people feel safe. If this continues they might want to stop assigning g ever single case that comes from the districts for investigation because there just aren’t enough bodies to get through all the paper. Not to mention no OT allowed. You think clearance rates are bad now wait another 6 months. Evidently no one cares.
Keep up the great work, John!!!
In my 25 plus years on this job this is the first time I have the seen the FOP leadership actually represent the membership and not crawl into bed with city. Keep it up.
Hey Mark Donahoe, watch JC and learn what honor and leadership is.
We have to stop comparing us to teachers. Teachers pension is terrible, they don't have mandatory age requirements, 50 and out don't exist anywhere in world, I believe we are still GED employment.
We have it great. Take 9% over 4 years, Bad times are coming.
Yes, the swamp people are back in control.......
Defund the police, cut their budgets, reduce their manpower,
then work the few that are left to exhaustion......
While burn loot murder continues in this hell hole!
Enjoy the next four years, you SJW tools!
Sophia King has voted for and was instrumental in a move to defacto defund the police by eliminating 600 sworn positions. This was put into Lightfoot’s budget to cater to the anti cop pro blm Antifa domestic terrorist organization which King fully supports in spite of them injuring 49 brave police officers at the Columbus statues. King and her staff were solidly behind the removal of the statues to pander to blm Antifa. Also after the statue riots King believes Jamal Green “is a fine young man who cares about his community “ and he blocked traffic for 4 hours at Columbus and Roosevelt chanting “f CPD” , kicking cars, and inhibiting emergency vehicles. He was allowed to do this as the police shamelessly stood down on orders of Lightfoot.
King supports a move to eliminate police and have more south and west side patronage workers act as social workers. This is to pander to Loris political base. And trust me these “social workers” will not be educated but will come from phony neighborhood organizations which are precinct captains for Lightfoot and the black, progressive and socialist caucus. Also Lori supports millions being given to phony violence interrupters to buy black caucus and socialist anti cop votes.
These atrocities must be stopped and King must be exposed and she will for what she is.
You forgot to mention that the 2% those teachers pay is paid for by their union. So they technically don’t pay their portion of the 2%.
Anonymous said...
OT. Sgt’s in 010 having officers on the medical or IOD give their log in to other officers to they can complete their e learning before comp stat. Or demanding they do e-learning at home while on the medical or IOD. Tell these idiots to pound sand unless you can fill out a OT slip or better yet don’t answer to their nonsense. We all know the commander and his side kick are giving these orders. Now go get some activity you young bucks.
11/25/2020 12:20:00 AM
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You can be ordered into the nearest station to complete any online training while on IOD or medical. No OT. Already been argued in arbitration. I believe a 2003 case, might be off a year or two. Don't agree with it, but I have seen the paperwork on it.
This sposato has got to go.....voting for tax increases F this guy
Happy Thanksgiving to all ..SCC ..nice dinner Thursday for now 23 people ..No masks
FU lori never wanted a signed contract, Chicago has the money..but community top priority.
After seeing video of the 95th street officer being dragged shame on asswipe larri & Chicago alderdicks .. CPD deserves better
OT. Sgt’s in 010 having officers on the medical or IOD give their log in to other officers to they can complete their e learning before comp stat.
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The commanders in every district are ORDERING sergeants to call the POs on medical/IOD to complete e-learning.
It IS NOT a violation of the contract.
Call FOP and see how far your beef will go kid.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The arbitrator will not consider other professions when ruling on what sides raise he will approve. So the teacher argument is pointless. Also not going to arbitration for the financial aspect sooner was a bad move. The city can cry poor like they always do and mean it this time due to covid. These are the first of many mistakes that will take place due to the fact that not one person elected to the Fop now has ever negotiated a contract.
11/25/2020 12:18:00 AM
Graham sat on his ass .. like my dog waiting to get a treat
6 months after an expired contract we go right to arbitration. With say a four contract plus the six months you’ve had 54 months to make a new deal. If you haven’t gotten it done in 54 months it’s time to go to arbitration. Make it an automatic mechanism in they bylaws.
City playing games. Yet they kiss the ass of teachers union. What a joke. Do the absolute bare minimum
Anonymous said...
OT. Sgt’s in 010 having officers on the medical or IOD give their log in to other officers to they can complete their e learning before comp stat. Or demanding they do e-learning at home while on the medical or IOD. Tell these idiots to pound sand unless you can fill out a OT slip or better yet don’t answer to their nonsense. We all know the commander and his side kick are giving these orders. Now go get some activity you young bucks.
11/25/2020 12:20:00 AM
Sorry, but whether you're IOD or on the medical you're in a full pay status & if you're ambulatory, you can be ordered in & you are NOT given OT
OT. Sgt’s in 010 having officers on the medical or IOD give their log in to other officers to they can complete their e learning before comp stat. Or demanding they do e-learning at home while on the medical or IOD. Tell these idiots to pound sand unless you can fill out a OT slip or better yet don’t answer to their nonsense. We all know the commander and his side kick are giving these orders. Now go get some activity you young bucks.
ITS very true!
and its happening city wide. All those LT's are getting grief from the made up chief in charge of the consent decree.
Send an email to the boss stating your on medical and your lungs aint to hot.
then fail whatever test you have to take on elearning.
email back the LT and your sergeant let them know you are on serious medication .
wish them a great Holiday because you will be coming back in a couple of months.
I agree that it was a bad move to push arbitration down the road. The last contract we had we lost more and our membership voted on it. This was John's ego telling he alone could get this done. I also think when Springfield opens up we will get killed with bad legislation from the black caucus. John has no tactical skills when it comes to negotiations. But lets what and see what happens!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT. Sgt’s in 010 having officers on the medical or IOD give their log in to other officers to they can complete their e learning before comp stat. Or demanding they do e-learning at home while on the medical or IOD. Tell these idiots to pound sand unless you can fill out a OT slip or better yet don’t answer to their nonsense. We all know the commander and his side kick are giving these orders. Now go get some activity you young bucks.
You are getting paid still, that’s how they can order you and as long as it doesn’t take more than 8.5hrs no overtime. Just like they can order you into the medical section, just like they can order you to go down to IAD OR COPA. Been there done that so I’m speaking with experience.
Catanzara is a naive for having ever thought she was going to negotiate with him. He is in over his head and can demand the moon, but at the end of the day she was never going to negotiate on a even keel. All you did was add 6 more months to Officers not receiving a raise. January 1st has been 4 years for most officers since seeing a raise, while the cost of living has absolutely skyrocketed. Some will say he fought the good fight, to what end, we are back to the exact point we were 6 months ago and no closer to settling. We brought blanks to this gunfight.
So what would you have done different Mr Doom and Gloom?
I doubt that Catanzara was naive about negotiating with Lightfool. Hopeful, but realistic. He gave her a chance to be nice. She obviously doesn't want to be nice.
While officers haven't received a pay raise in 4 years, they haven't lost anything yet either.
A reduction in discipline rights should NEVER have been on the table in the first place. Rights are not negotiable commodities. Especially in this hostile environment.
Sgt. here:
I just do not understand what it will take for these young kids in busy districts to stop doing anything more than showing up for work.
NO CONTRACT once again - The mayor / Budget / Finance committee reeally care about u...
Nobody - not your sgt, Lt, Capt , Commander can make you get activity.....
Stop Stop Stop -- are you young kids really that stupid.
When things go bad - just look at how:
1. Society will judge you
2. Media
3. COPA
4. Police Board
5. IAD
6. Force review unit
etc etc etc etc etc - please stop.... stick together.
Blanks to a gunfight..... so true, when my toddler throws a fit in Jewel each and every time and the cashiers are giving me the side eye, I’m not rewarding him with treats. Im beating his ass when we get home. Repeatedly humiliating the mayor and expecting to get your way is foolish. This has been a pissing contest, nothing more.
Yes, we definitely have to run law and order candidates here in the City, suburban Cook County and throughout Illinois. Running against terrible murder and mayhem is a popular, winning issue.
But for some inexplicable reason Chicago, Cook County, Illinois GOP political people never seem to run on law and order issues - it's what enabled Richard Nixon to win a 49 out of 50 state landslide election. Regular Voters don't like rioters, looters, thugs, rapists, murderers.
Was it my imagination of did President Trump's campaign never mention urban crime, BLM/Antifa riots - instead Trump's idiot son in Law Jared Kushner somehow persuaded Trump to go with the approach of calling Joe Biden a terrible beyond the pale RACIST or criticizing some of the worst Black criminal predators back in the crack cocaine crime plague years of the early 1990s. What was with that?
And make your/our anti Crime advertisements personal. As the great dictator Joseph Stalin said - "One death is a tragedy, but a million deaths is just a statistic" (This was in response to party officials reporting to Stalin that ~ 1 million Ukrainians had starved to death in the Holodomor - the collectivization of private farm land in the 1930s"
Chicago is on pace to have over 750 murders this year. Someone like Lee Atwater has to step up and identify a few of the most tragic real murders in our city - things like a career felon being let out of jail on electronic monitoring and then he goes and kills a young mother and her child in a drive by that he shot the wrong people. We have to make it personal.
The Obrien for District Attorney campaign was very lame, didn't mention Jussie Smollet or the mass BLM looting - Chicago, Cook County, ILLinois Conservatives always just want to talk about taxes and protecting their own money.
JR
Wait until she hears about the VRI litigation
4 years now without a contract, the first 3 of which the economy was doing great. The city had no excuses to give anything less than what they gave the teachers. Now, after almost a YEAR of purposely destroying the economy because Fats and the bug-eyed wench mayor want the POTUS to look bad and scam more money for this Chinese flu mass hysteria, they will say they are broke and cannot afford it. Property taxes, gas tax, fines and fees are all increasing, so even with a modest raise we are basically taking a pay cut because prices are now inflated beyond the percentage of anything we would receive.
I’m lost here. Why does anyone think Brillo will negotiate a new contract in the first place. If this goes on we may not even keep what we have.
Don’t worry, the powers that be will continue to act like they don’t like you or respect you, and then they’ll throw everyone back on 12 hour days with days off cancelled come March for the trial of the Minneapolis Police Officers. Smart money is to take a 3A furlough next year.
Anonymous said...
He gave them every opportunity to negotiate ? The first thing that the person who won the election did was to demand he be sworn in and take the keys to the former President’ s office . There was no transition and we were in arbitration deciding in on an arbitrator named Rhommel . He was going to get a “ new set of eyes “ to negotiate . This gave the Mayor more time to put together her plans to attack our members . This guy has burnt more bridges than anyone I have ever seen . People will come to realize he’s all talk and has no plan . What about residency ? Where’s the lawsuit ? Fraternalism from a guy whose obtained more cr numbers than any cop I know . To the ones who voted for him own up to it . Don’t worry when the time comes he will lie to the members “ again going forward ,” look at the bright side . Sorry the sun went down a long time ago !
11/25/2020 03:56:00 AM
I agree with some of this. JCat should have pressed ahead with arbitration. It was nearly 3 years already without a contract. He should have known that Lightfoot has the meanest nastiest power hungry little person syndrome ever. Just by watching the way she speaks to the aldermen, press, public and anyone that questions her, it should have been obvious she was never going to be slightly fair. The sad part is Chicago cops have done a fantastic job considering all the violence, protesting looting etc. Why does she hate her own police force so much? So much that she gives every city worker including CPD supervisors a raise but not the patrolmen who are asked to do the most? It’s nuts! The aldermen should be ashamed of themselves for cowarding to her. Any potential kid considering joining the CPD will be watching and apply elsewhere. Lightfoot is killing Chicago
Once again, keep stopping cars and being proactive. When things go wrong, the City, Department and public will turn their backs and demonize officers. This further demonstrates the hatred towards police in Chicago. The teachers do nothing. They don’t risk themselves to stop riots, they do not respond to violent encounters and now, they don’t even show up to work. The City gave them 16% while most only contribute 2% to their pension. Remember that from now on.
Aldermen voting yes on the Budget: Pat Dowell (3rd), Sophia King (4th) Leslie Hairston (5th), Roderick Sawyer (6th), Gregory Mitchell (7th), Michelle Harris (8th), Susan Sadlowski Garza (10th), George Cardenas (12th), David Moore (17th), Derrick Curtis (18th), Howard Brookins (21st), Michael Rodriguez (22nd), Michael Scott Jr. (24th), Walter Burnett Jr. (27th), Jason Ervin (28th), Chris Taliaferro (29th), Ariel Reboyras (30th), Felix Cardona (31st) Scott Waguespack (32nd), Carrie Austin (34th), Gilbert Villegas (36th), Emma Mitts (37th), Nick Sposato (38th), Samantha Nugent (39th), Andre Vasquez (40th), Michele Smith (43rd), James Cappleman (46th), and Maria Hadden (49th).
Those voting no were: Daniel La Spata (1st), Brian Hopkins (2nd), Anthony Beale (9th), Patrick Daley Thompson (11th), Marty Quinn (13th), Ed Burke (14th), Raymond Lopez (15th), Stephanie Coleman (16th), Matt O’Shea (19th), Jeanette Taylor (20th), Silvana Tabares (23rd), Byron Sigcho Lopez (25th), Roberto Maldonado (26th), Rossana Rodriguez Sanchez (33rd), Carlos Ramirez Rosa (35th), Anthony Napolitano (41st), Brendan Reilly (42nd), Tom Tunney (44th), James Gardiner (45th), Matt Martin (47th), Harry Osterman (48th) and Debra Silverstein (50th).
To the individual who posted about the 2010 FOP negotiations with then Mayor Rich Daley who was "laughing" at us; You my friend are an idiot and clueless!! City offer was 15.5% and was to include one mandatory unpaid furlough day each month. ( which is what the city truck drivers union caved in to.) So before you spew your version as truth on a blog, get the facts, moron
This scab head Mayor really hates the police. She hatred for the police is on full display. This woman is not good and time will catch up to her. You will see and post it here. I hope she changes for our sake and hers too.
Anonymous said...
I'm glad John decided to take the gloves off. Fuck them, fuck this hoodtrash mayor, fuck these charlatans, corrupt domestic terrorists. Eat shit when you cry for more police presence or "proactive" policing tactics. You'd rather fill the deep coffers of your own office, hoodtrash, swamp rats, and shell corps. Keep voting blue and believing these IL democrats are Gods greatness children, they are the "doing good" . I can't wait again to laugh at this city to burn again and turns into Baghdad 2003-2005. Fuck them, defend the homeland.
-Angry Cop
11/25/2020 12:31:00 AM
“Take the gloves off????” What? He had no choice. Filing for arbitration nearly 4 years later isn’t “taking the gloves off!” There is no other option. Lightfoot hates police officers and he should have known she was playing him. All we can do now is present the best argument for the arbitrator. List all the RDOs canceled, continuous 12hr days, exposure to Covid etc. etc.
Screw the Groot.
Lazy, lying and deranged Larri has had a boner for the police long before the past 20 years since she was appointed to OPS (a.k.a. The COPA back then), another job she couldn’t handle, all because ShortShanks was probably in hot water and needed to repay a favor and had to take her off someone’s hands. And by the way, she blamed the Board for her incompetence and failures at OPS.
In my opinion, FOP followed procedures and went through the motions.There was never any intention by Larri/City of Chicago et al, to negotiate with CPD. Larri was hoping for some cave-in to her demands, negligence or job action preponderance thereof. My-way or the highway tyrant Larri was never dependable or trustworthy probably never sat in on 75% of the virtual negotiations anyway.
Conjure and dividing?
Something is up because CFD wound up with their budget increasing by $60 mil and CPD seen a $5.9 mil budget cut and also, CFD is allowed some additional personnel hires too. (2021 Budget Overview - Public Safety, pg.119)
Apples, oranges and Strike Clause, all for never having to leave the house except for essentials -
CPS new hires pay 9+% under the new contract, the bulk of the rest still at 2%, wage bumps of 16% plus increases in Step Raises for longevity equivalent to 6% by 2023-24.
Stay Fetal - Stay Home
Larri is a certified asshole.
I love some of the FOP pinheads(mainly unit reps.)that were saying “Vallas is here now Lightfoot can’t BS him” or “Lightfoot wants to get a deal so she can clear the books for her budget” All BS and I personally never believed it. Her personality and power trip was never going to allow her to be slightly fair to the police. She’s just mean and nasty. She probably laughed when Vallas came in. She just told her negotiators to string the naive cops and Vallas along as long as you can and smiled. And look, the cowardly aldermen signed off on her budget anyway. It never mattered. CPD and Chicago are dying.
OT. Sgt’s in 010 having officers on the medical or IOD give their log in to other officers to they can complete their e learning before comp stat. Or demanding they do e-learning at home while on the medical or IOD. Tell these idiots to pound sand unless you can fill out a OT slip or better yet don’t answer to their nonsense. We all know the commander and his side kick are giving these orders. Now go get some activity you young bucks.
11/25/2020 12:20:00 AM
If you're on the medical or IOD, you're already getting paid, so there's no OT. Unless your injury or illness prevents you from completing e-learning, you're required to complete it even on medical and IOD. If someone is dumb enough to give their login to someone else dumb enough to complete training for them, that's a problem. But that problem is created by lazy medical abusers refusing to do their training while on their paid vacation, so the suggestion to have someone else do it for them is brought up by less than intelligent supervisors. Just do the e-learning at home, quit crying and whining like a child, and realize you're making a shitload of money to sit at home, even if you're legit on medical or IOD. Or demand overtime pay, refuse to do it, stomp your feet, spill your milk, and wait for the discipline to hit. Then you can cry even more about how unfair it is and blame everyone but yourself.
Isn’t Paul Vallas negotiating for us now? I remember reading his statement that he was and he was doing it pro bono. What’s going on with that?
11/25/2020 12:20:00 AM
You’re still getting paid, log in and do it. I swear you medical abusers are the worst
OKAY !!! Boys and Girls, it's reality check time.
The powers to be are totally on board with the defund the police movement. They have been, even more embolden, by the recent election results. "The New World Order" is now in power.
Next Issue; A union is only as strong a it's weakest member. Don't expect John to "Talk the Talk" if Your now ready to "Walk the Walk". No pun intended.
"There's Lot's Of Guys That Will Line Up To Accept The Benefits, The Union Got Them but, When It Comes To, "Standing On The Line" To Get Them, They are nowhere to be found"
PS: Have a nice day.
For properties valued under $250,000 it'll be a net $56 dollar increase. For properties valued above $250,000-sky is the limit.
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Every. Year.
Warp speed to arbitration!! This is embarrassing
This is a bad idea. We should have taken the 10 1/2 percent that the Sergeants and Lts and Fire Department got. We are not the teachers and the teachers got a contract prior to covid and when a city based casino was on the table. The city based casino has since been seen as a possible broken deal as it won’t produce enough profit. Since the teachers and Sgts contract coronavirus has hit and killed the city budget. An arbitrator will not be friendly to us because for once, the city can actually prove that it is in a financial hole with no income. They will say that taxes were raised in this budget and if we are given 17 percent they won’t be able to handle it. Mark my words, we will now get less that the 10 1/2 percent the city offered us and the fire department got. This is going to be bad. For you new guys thinking we are going to get 17 percent you are dreaming.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT. Sgt’s in 010 having officers on the medical or IOD give their log in to other officers to they can complete their e learning before comp stat. Or demanding they do e-learning at home while on the medical or IOD. Tell these idiots to pound sand unless you can fill out a OT slip or better yet don’t answer to their nonsense. We all know the commander and his side kick are giving these orders. Now go get some activity you young bucks.
11/25/2020 12:20:00 AM
I think, if you are on the medical, but ambulatory, they can tell you to do your e-learning from home or even go in to a Dept facility if possible, and log in there. No three hours of OT either.
As a citizen of Chicago many of us can’t understand why Lightfoot and her city hall treat it’s police officers so horribly? It’s truly difficult to wrap our heads around. The amount of violence Chicago police officers are subject to on a daily basis is unbelievable and they seem to be nearly perfect when dealing with all of it. We really don’t hear of any bad shootings or questionable police incidents. So what’s she so angry about? The constant protesting, looting etc and the cops are constantly being thrown in to stop it. We always hear about days off being canceled etc etc. There’s no reason to treat Chicago’s police force so badly.
Sorry I am not a cop, but can’t you guys have a walk out or strike??
Anonymous said...
John got the tiger by the tail...
11/25/2020 12:07:00 AM
More like he has that hateful and ignorant
donkey of a mayor by the mane and tail and
is gleefully punting ol' donkey in it's ass.
>PUNT!<
"HEEEEE-HAAWWW! I'm da boss of ALL y'all!"
How much largesse and free shit has Groot
given away while shitting on The Police
and deliberately running them into the ground
because they don't see the world as Groot and
his/her/it's fellow socialist travelers do?
"You RACIST free-thinking inbred Cops should stop
thinking so highly of yourselves and being so
ANGRY and REBELLIOUS in trying to hold on to your
sweet UNION PROTECTIONS and resisting all these
"Reforms" we have in store for you!"
Give the malignant manling mayor all hell, John!
Nice to see Chicago FOP finally standing up for its members, and telling LightBright to get bent. She'll contest the arbitrator's rulings of course, while continuing to berate CPD for the politician's failures. Let's be careful out there!
The fact that Lightfoot waited until the deadline of 3pm on the nose shows you it was her nasty intention to drag it out and play the FOP all along. She could have backed out of it months ago. But she’s not a nice person. The “savior” Vallas probably had more of a negative impact because of her dictator personality. FOP isn’t dealing with a reasonable person. Hopefully any arbitrator has been watching the way Lightfoot has been treating police officers and he doesn’t like it. Hopefully he makes her wish she took the deal.
The Groot sayeth this, No contract for you.
All "extra" funds must go to the commie teachers so they won't have to step inside a classroom for another year.
What a F - Ing joke.
Hey Groot, F U
I like Anthony..... that being said..... (lol!).... Napolitano is alone. He has no Alderman besides maybe Sposato, in his corner. He might as well be honorary mayor of Edison Park. Sure, he may get a few ward issues taken care of, but as far as any major pull in city budget or union contract issues, he is about as effective as a homeless person. And that's not a knock on him, that's just the way it is. The aldercreatures in this city only care about one thing: themselves.
It will be interesting to see how long this contract expiration drags out. Cuz that's all it is, an expiration. It's not a negotiation. Never was. It'll never be "arbitrated", at least not fairly. Sure, it will eventually go to so-called arbitration. But that doesn't mean shit.
Here's what we're gonna get:
1. A shitty raise over four years that's heavily backloaded. (10% if we're lucky) And whatever raise we get will be wiped out by property tax hikes, more fees, more local taxes, etc.
2. A few thousand in retro pay. Maybe.
3. we'll lose a few of the discipline issues and win maybe one.
4. Health insurance premiums and deductibles will go up.
5. Pension liabilities will continue to be a can kicked down the road.
6. And everything else will stay pretty much the same.
Get out while you can, people. This department is done.
Anonymous said...
The arbitrator will not consider other professions when ruling on what sides raise he will approve. So the teacher argument is pointless. Also not going to arbitration for the financial aspect sooner was a bad move. The city can cry poor like they always do and mean it this time due to covid. These are the first of many mistakes that will take place due to the fact that not one person elected to the Fop now has ever negotiated a contract.
11/25/2020 12:18:00 AM
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Cant really blame it on the current FOP. They were elected after Covid started.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
We will get screwed in arbitration. Don t expect a good raise for us. Looking in the past, has it been good to us? Screw GROOT, work slow down.
We will get the same raise as the firemen and our supervisors and the same cost of healthcare
OT. Sgt’s in 010 having officers on the medical or IOD give their log in to other officers to they can complete their e learning before comp stat. Or demanding they do e-learning at home while on the medical or IOD. Tell these idiots to pound sand unless you can fill out a OT slip or better yet don’t answer to their nonsense. We all know the commander and his side kick are giving these orders. Now go get some activity you young bucks.
11/25/2020 12:20:00 AM
Just another dummy who does not know what the hell he speaks of. FYI - when you are on the medical or IOD you can be called by a supervisor to report to your unit of assignment or to the medical section at any time. Failure to report, barring failure to do so due to your inability (non-ambulatory), is failure to follow a direct order whether written or oral. That said; you cannot be ordered to perform any work related function from your home including accessing department data such as e-learning. No supervisor can order you to use your personal property (cell phone, computer, etc) to perform any department function; this includes making notifications from your personal cell phone. Also, because you are on the medical roll (including IOD) O.T. will not kick in until you perform in excess of eight (8) hours work. Read the order then speak. Fool!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Well, that rumor of a proposed pay cut isn't all that far fetched in today's economy after all. The city knows something we don't. Arbitration will go their way regardless. So don't spend your retro on that Jeep w/ Punisher stickers just yet.
11/25/2020 12:17:00 AM
The rumor of a pay cut is ridiculous Just nonsense
Guys remember money isn’t everything. Pay attention to the important stuff like discipline and 29 and a day to retire with medical even if your not 55. Also don’t push for residency being lifted. If that gets lifted all city employees will be able to leave. The few nice neighborhoods left will be abandoned and turned over to the enemy. The money is nothing more than a distraction!
Yes, publish the names of the aldermen who voted to cut the police officers from the budget. I'm just a city resident-not law enforcement- but I'm willing to call and get angry. I voted for everything possible in November's elections to keep the police in tact, to get rid of Foxx, Trump- you name it. I live in the Loop and saw it wrecked multiple times. And now they are raising my property taxes and cutting the police and they think they aren't going to hear about it? Like hell.
Why aren't we going to arbitration NOW what are we waiting a minute longer its been 3 yrs?
To every officer on CPD
This mayor and her administration do not care about us. They disrespect us and the work we do every chance they get. We can not strike so they take advantage of that clause in our contract knowing that the majority of us will still do what is right and continue to serve and protect the citizens of this city. How many of our brothers and sisters in blue have passed away since this contract expired never reaping any reward for their sacrifices to this job ?
The only chance we have of being treated with any dignity and respect is a work stoppage, blue flu or other job action. It is a slap in the face to every officer that we have been without a new contract for 3+ years.
First: You're dumb enough to answer your phone, then it's on you so stop bitching
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Second: Never give anyone your password, not only is it silly, it's against the directives.
Third: You are being paid by the city. You can be ordered in or can be given the option to complete it at home or somewhere else with access if they allow and YOU don't want to come in. There is no overtime involved as you are technically being paid for 8.5 hours a day you aren't working.
OT. Sgt’s in 010 having officers on the medical or IOD give their log in to other officers to they can complete their e learning before comp stat. Or demanding they do e-learning at home while on the medical or IOD. Tell these idiots to pound sand unless you can fill out a OT slip or better yet don’t answer to their nonsense. We all know the commander and his side kick are giving these orders. Now go get some activity you young bucks.
“So don't spend your retro on that Jeep w/ Punisher stickers just yet.”
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Good point. So should I not try to buy out the super cool vanity plate from their owners? Ones like “TRR,” “10-1,” etc? I just really wish I had a super cringe vanity plate that screams, “I have low self-esteem.” Jokes aside, that was a funny/true comment but also really good advice to “da real poleece.”
Anonymous said...
OT. Sgt’s in 010 having officers on the medical or IOD give their log in to other officers to they can complete their e learning before comp stat. Or demanding they do e-learning at home while on the medical or IOD. Tell these idiots to pound sand unless you can fill out a OT slip or better yet don’t answer to their nonsense. We all know the commander and his side kick are giving these orders. Now go get some activity you young bucks.
11/25/2020 12:20:00 AM
When you are on iod or medical you need to do the training. You can do it at home or in a nearby district. United it's more than 8.5 hours you won't get overtime. That's why people don't go to court during medical or iod. Please know what you are talking about before you get someone in trouble for petty mom sense. Before you post a response please check the directives.
They always say "Looking back in hindsight......" and then the excuses fly. We are uniquely in the position of hindsight and we still have opportunity to make lasting change.
Think about this Pandemic. Trump called it a hoax, done by Easter. You don't think he had the best and brightest giving him the information about the virus? He was telling us the truth, and since he told us the truth, the MSM buried him. Remember doctors saying hydrochloroqine + Zinc + Vitamin D was a cheap remedy for this strain of flu (remember this is Coronavirus 19, we have had 18 prior to this.
Hydrochlorine (I know i am spelling this wrong) is used weekly in Africa to combat malaria and it also has other benefits. It costs 50 cents. Many states have made this drug a controlled substance, like pain killers, and almost impossible to get.
We've been duked and now they are seeing how much we can take. Are we going to push back (Democrats also) or are we going to sit there and take it. All people, democrats and republicans, you need to wake up. Back the Blue.
Teachers got 18% raise, 2% pension contributions, and easy to get residency waivers. 17% and 8.5% non resident seems fair.
with all the young officers on , may I suggest FOP , PBPA organize and get petitions signed to reduce alderman to no more than 17 .
This was tried about 10 years ago but the unions were short a few thousand votes to get that put on the election ballot
people are sick of a fat , wasteful , overpaid city council
it can be accomplished by the 2022 elections for governoer and have a free fer all in 50 aldercreatures running for 13-17 wards
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT. Sgt’s in 010 having officers on the medical or IOD give their log in to other officers to they can complete their e learning before comp stat. Or demanding they do e-learning at home while on the medical or IOD. Tell these idiots to pound sand unless you can fill out a OT slip or better yet don’t answer to their nonsense. We all know the commander and his side kick are giving these orders. Now go get some activity you young bucks.
11/25/2020 12:20:00 AM
Duh goof, u can’t get OT, unless it takes you more than 8 1/2 hours to do it. You are being paid for that medical day. It’s not an rdo. That’s what u have to deal with having the luxury of getting paid when you’re sick or injured. If ur ambulatory and don’t have two broken hands, u can be given a direct order to comply. Study your orders and contract 20 year beat car guy
Fuck Groot
OT. Sgt’s in 010 having officers on the medical or IOD give their log in to other officers to they can complete their e learning before comp stat. Or demanding they do e-learning at home while on the medical or IOD. Tell these idiots to pound sand unless you can fill out a OT slip or better yet don’t answer to their nonsense. We all know the commander and his side kick are giving these orders. Now go get some activity you young bucks.
Well depending on when and how long that e learning has been sitting in their box will make a big deal if/when they tell whomever to “pound sand”. Make sure they’re not setting themselves up for discipline if it’s been in there a while. Also, if they’re on medical and or IOD that doesn’t exclude them from work. After all they’re still being paid.
The FOP is absolutely awful at negotiating - and it’s no wonder we always get screwed over by idiots in city hall. There are plenty of books and articles available to them that would illustrate just how dumb their current move is. For one, if you set a deadline for a response and they meet that deadline (even if it is right at said deadline), but you respond exactly as you would’ve if they had ignored it, you just showed that you aren’t acting in good faith. We look like whiners taking our ball and going home because we didn’t like the response they gave us at our deadline.
Can we hire Daley’s law firm that negotiated the parking meter deal?
Why in the fuck are we still unsure about arbitration?
What is there to be on the fence about!?? It’s been 3.5 years, and the city has shown ZERO hood faith.
Do you think suddenly they will start negotiating?
DirtyFeet didn’t turn down the 11.5% because she thinks 11.5% is too high of a number.
She turned it down because she didn’t like how it was structured. The front-loaded percentages are something she would never bite on.
She wants to bend us over without being punished for it.
Also, to everyone saying “look at the economy, and Covid- we won’t get anything!”
You do realize that the arbitrator is SUPPOSED to look at the economy that was in place at the time of the year in question.
So in theory- the raise for the 2018 year is to be based on the 2018 economy.
That’s a fact, and the economy was strong until this year.
How can GROOT give us a contract when GROOT is ANTI-POLICE and planning on increasing property taxes and other taxes for Chicago's budget ????
I fully believe some of the comments on this site are out of the mayors office. Nothing to stop them from trolling. I’m 27 years and seen many negotiations, and coming hard has never been used in negotiations, so it is a good idea. Citizens are getting a taste of less police and it’s not good, I’m ALL neighborhoods. John is the best you can have on your side. I have seen prior Fop reps negotiate contracts and upon leaving office getting good city or city related jobs! It was so obvious these hacks never had OUR best interest at hearts. Some got mystery promotions or hiring some many years after leaving office for friends and family. Don’t be naive it happened and wasn’t hidden from us guys who payed attention. I don’t know John and never met him, but being a street guy, I know how to read people. (Street guys know what I’m talking about and house mice say, “he’s full of shit”. John needs your support and that is where we are strong. John your standing up to these bullies and they aren’t used to it, other than the teachers union. In my lifetime in this city they have got whatever they want, (for the children, BULLSHT). JOHN GO HARD LIKE YOU ARE AND GUYS AND GIRLS STAY UNITED AND SUPPORT JOHN!! And remember the city reads this and posts here!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Im all in and Im rooting for FOP on this one...obviously. Im not a troll and im not a scab, I just remember all too well our prior contract negotiating history. Why though, is the FOP not telling us what the City offered? The city offered the same exact pay as what the firemen got and which the Sgts, Lts and Captains ultimately got from the me too. I dont know if you guys remember, but in one of our prior contract disputes in 2010, the FOP turned down the cities offer. The offer from the city was 16 percent!!!! The FOP turned it down, they wanted 22 percent which we ALL knew 22 percent was unreasonable. The mayors office, fop and entire department figured the arbitrator would give the FOP the original 16 percent because that was the original offer on the table and thats what the CFD had also just gotten. Well, what happened?? An arbitrator came back and only gave the FOP 10 percent which we HAD to take.. Mayor Daley actually sat on a press conference and laughed at us. This time around the fire department and sgts got 10.5 percent which is what the city offered us also. Are we really turning this whole thing to an arbitrator for 1 percent??? The city is in a major fiscal hole that is not getting better and wont get better when arbitration comes. The city will already cry broke that 2021 is already in a big hole to start off with and will just get worse with the year. Just so we all know, an arbitrator can easily come back and only give us 6,7,8,9 or 10 percent... The FOP wont even mention now what the CFD got or the Sgts got because its going to go for the 17 percent all or nothing and the 11.5 percent conversation and what the sgts got is now irrelevant because the FOP turned the 10.5 percent down and the FOP wont ask for 11.5 percent because they will only now push for 17 percent... so the arbitrator will see no other numbers except 17 percent which will NEVER HAPPEN in this financial climate. The city will do the same thing as 2010.. they cited the big 2008/2009 market drop out and the city was broke and the arbitrator ruled accordingly and only gave 10 percent. In this case, the city is DRASTICALLY more broke than 2008 and 2009. The arbitrator now cannot even see what the sgts and Lts got because the FOP can only talk about why they need 17 percent. They cant present it as we want 17 percent but if we dont get that then just give us the same as the CFD and Sgts. No, the arbitrator can even go on to say 1 percent a year based on the financial hardships.
11/25/2020 12:34:00 AM
Much of what you wrote about the numbers in the past is not quite accurate. Most of what you wrote was based on bad rumors and not facts. Additionally all you are concerned with here is wages. That is not all that is important in this contract. The city is trying to take away many protections that the FOP has fought hard for regarding discipline. That matters far more than wages. The city loves guys or girls like you that are only focused on money. They can dangle the carrot and you will bite. We have already waited almost 4 yrs. Be patient a bit longer and see what happens. That is how negotiations work.
I'm feeling were going to get rid of residency here...I'm putting my house up for sale in the spring. And 17 percent! Whoo-Hoo!
Mayor hates us and so do the majority of citizens in this city, the proof was in the election. How can any support the police but still vote for Foxx and Biden? This is going to arbitration, and with this current climate, we're going to get screwed over worse than we've ever been before.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
And now she cut 600 officers from the budget? Is she crazy?
11/25/2020 02:50:00 AM
They were never going to be filled anyway; smoke and mirrors.
Below is the link to an easy to read guide with names and people who have or will be convicted of voter fraud in illinois. Scroll down the document for Illinois. Document grows by the day so keep rechecking. Back the Blue.
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud-print/search
https://patch.com/minnesota/minneapolis/city-bleeding-judge-allows-minneapolis-8-lawsuit-move-forward
When talking defund the police you need to remind everyone who the boss of the police really is. Lightfoot and the aldermen. We could start with defunding are bosses. Cut the city council in half.
Say bye bye to medical.
"Good , make em drop the age !!!!!"
A trip down memory lane for you old timers. Mandatory retirement age was dropped altogether when Townsend hit 63. And was quickly reinstated when he decided to retire at age 71. I seem to remember some poor rookie who entered the academy at age 62 back then and had to retire while he was still on probation. Or maybe he had just finished probation.
Anybody wonder why? ha
Take a small raise in lieu of the right to strike.
The defund the police movement didn't fail here. Larry just passed her budget thanks in part to alder-assholes. How many police spots did eliminate with that??? It's a way of defunding the police without saying you're defunding the police.
All you Monday morning quarterbacks talk a lot of shit on this thread, but I see hardly any coppers at the general meetings. Easy to talk when you have no idea what you're talking about. You vote democrat and then demonize a president who supports us. That's who you are.
INSTEAD OF MONEY:
20 years equal full pension
45 years old you can retire
free medical at 54 and a half years old
NO more management piks on any promotion below LTS.
Uniform allowance is pensionable(change the name of it)
DUTY availability is pensionable(change the name of it)
Give the city
must cash in all comp time when promoted
No white shirt can quit and go back to old position must resign
CAN only be promoted once in 3 years. too many ass hat take detective spot then get promoted to sgt. training cost money.
Lock up keeper civilian spot
desk officer civilian spot
commander secretary civilian spots
CAMERAS for all exempts on overtime
NO MORE TAKE HOME CARS exempts will still take the promotion regardless and drive there own cars.
city can keep the camera footage forever must blur out officers faces.
Gotta think differently for little LORI
Go fetal, if you're a dumbass still getting numbers well you're beyond help
Put residency in there if they want to change discipline we should at least try change residency in arbitration along with the money.
Force once we have someone who will speak out
OT Now that LeRant (NYPD)board was taken down, what do we do as a backup if SCC is taken down ?.... where will we get our news.... it's turning into a communist state already and the leper hasn't even been sworn in yet. someone with a site available to you without anti-free speech leanings must exist... Google owns this board, they also censor Youtube...so we know where this is going....The move from FB to Mewe and Parlor has begun.....
Anonymous Anonymous said...
>"Los Angeles recorded its 300th homicide."
Slackers.
Heyjackass is currently reporting ours at 719.
If New York is under 719, we're number one.
11/25/2020 12:24:00 AM
Of course, it's all part of the socialist's plan.... Get that number up so high and they can use it for the upcoming elimination of all gun licenses and the 2nd amendment.....
Don't even bother with an arbitrator - wait until she's voted out in 3 years.
I find it ironic how racist, sexest and homophobic our mayor is. At a time where this dept has the rate or percentage wise more than ever with Hispanics, African American, female & homosexual bosses, detectives, and officers filling it's ranks- she views us as a bunch of old white guys.
Most of all , the overall majority of officers are good people trying to make this city a better place. However, the city Will rather side with the gangs, rapist, car jacking maniacs out there than a police dept nullified and villified by the media in order to be relevant again as ratings plumett.
STOP giving a shit about the money. It's NOT about the money......
Increase in furlough days (like a 28-straight day minimum)
3 baby furlough days (4 work days) per year
Can only cancel a certain number of RDO's per work period
Double-time for any cancelled RDO's
Duty Availability pay for ALL officers
Cheaper insurance, or paid in full.
Swiping
Discipline
Bid rights
Training
Equipment
Etc
Care about structural stuff, not about money. Money will always come. Instead of focusing on retro retro retro retro, focus on everything else that is QUALITY OF LIFE. Money can be had with side jobs, overtime, etc. The city knows this too. Firefighters and trade unions have it right, we only care about money.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT. Sgt’s in 010 having officers on the medical or IOD give their log in to other officers to they can complete their e learning before comp stat. Or demanding they do e-learning at home while on the medical or IOD. Tell these idiots to pound sand unless you can fill out a OT slip or better yet don’t answer to their nonsense. We all know the commander and his side kick are giving these orders. Now go get some activity you young bucks.
***You are getting paid still, that’s how they can order you and as long as it doesn’t take more than 8.5hrs no overtime. Just like they can order you into the medical section, just like they can order you to go down to IAD OR COPA. Been there done that so I’m speaking with experience.
*** If you are ordered to appear anywhere off duty, IAD, COPA, etc, you get paid. If on the Medical and ordered there, probably not paid OT because your on the medical getting paid for Medical absence. If their ordering you tp perform work off duty from home....get paid or file a grievance. If you didn't get paid Mr. Experience, your an idiot....
To the fool who asked where the 600 are coming from guess he has not been paying attention lately. Attrition moron. Training class of 29 is no where close to keeping up with retirements and lateral transfers. Retirements will skyrocket once new contract is in place which means pension fund will be draining even faster and with hundreds if not thousands paying in, huge problem in just a few years away. Oh yea that thousands mention, 600 next year and at least that many next budget year and for a couple more years to come. Word has it her target number is 9,000 CPD total.so by end of second term she will be at that number. Yes I said second term, you can make book on that.
Crime is up and we have less police. The decent people who live in the district want to keep their family safe and their stuff protected. As crime continues to climb, when ever the states attorney declines charges, reduction of bond, shout it out loud and clear. At some point the community will say they have had enough and want the police to act.
She wants to defund the police ? Well I have the time but a couple years
Short for insurance. How about give me my insurance to me now and let
Me go , there are hundreds like me that will be in line to turn in there
Papers . There is your “defund the police “ just in doing that !!!!
Anonymous said...
This is a bad idea. We should have taken the 10 1/2 percent that the Sergeants and Lts and Fire Department got. We are not the teachers and the teachers got a contract prior to covid and when a city based casino was on the table. The city based casino has since been seen as a possible broken deal as it won’t produce enough profit. Since the teachers and Sgts contract coronavirus has hit and killed the city budget. An arbitrator will not be friendly to us because for once, the city can actually prove that it is in a financial hole with no income. They will say that taxes were raised in this budget and if we are given 17 percent they won’t be able to handle it. Mark my words, we will now get less that the 10 1/2 percent the city offered us and the fire department got. This is going to be bad. For you new guys thinking we are going to get 17 percent you are dreaming.
11/25/2020 10:58:00 AM
10.5% was never offered to us. That’s the problem. The city never negotiated in good faith and dragged their feet. Nasty people
Don’t back down FOP
ALL previous FOP administrations were pussies confronting City Hall
Hey 5:08 better slow down on those adult beverages they have rendered you brain dead. Greedy but stupid. Retire at 45. Lol, reee medical at 54 lol, uniform allowance pensionable lol. Your in the real world now not Kanas. Clink heels twice and come back to earth.
Anonymous said...
Isn’t Paul Vallas negotiating for us now? I remember reading his statement that he was and he was doing it pro bono. What’s going on with that?
11/25/2020 10:38:00 AM
Ummmm...he was and it didn’t help. Lightfoot probably didn’t like it. We’re not dealing with a nice person. Rotten to the core.
Anonymous said...
Teachers got 18% raise, 2% pension contributions, and easy to get residency waivers. 17% and 8.5% non resident seems fair.
11/25/2020 01:27:00 PM
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We are not teachers and cannot strike like them.
Being able to strike ia the game-changer, its not that hard to figure out.
Relax and worry about stuff you can control.
Pay cut? We don’t need no stinking pay cut.
You will probably find that you will get a better deal from arbitration than from the city anyway. I don't know why you're screwing around with the city. Just declare you are at an impasse and get an arbitrator.
I don't believe that residency is on the table no matter what. The city would have to change the city ordinance on such things and that would allow all city employees to move out. I can't imagine the city would want that.
Anonymous said...
INSTEAD OF MONEY:
20 years equal full pension
45 years old you can retire
free medical at 54 and a half years old
NO more management piks on any promotion below LTS.
Uniform allowance is pensionable(change the name of it)
DUTY availability is pensionable(change the name of it)
Give the city
must cash in all comp time when promoted
No white shirt can quit and go back to old position must resign
CAN only be promoted once in 3 years. too many ass hat take detective spot then get promoted to sgt. training cost money.
Lock up keeper civilian spot
desk officer civilian spot
commander secretary civilian spots
CAMERAS for all exempts on overtime
NO MORE TAKE HOME CARS exempts will still take the promotion regardless and drive there own cars.
city can keep the camera footage forever must blur out officers faces.
Gotta think differently for little LORI
11/25/2020 05:08:00 PM
Are you even on the job or just trolling?
-Duty availability IS pensionable already!
-White shirts CAN'T go back down to police officer.....they must resign.
-Lockup keeper IS a civilian spot
-There ARE desk civilian spots.
The other stuff you are spouting is pure nonsense, which makes me think you are John Q Public. If you AERE on the job, I have 1 question....do you know they are still testing for drugs, kid?
You are so ignorant..Duty Availability is pensionable, the last 20 or so years..i would love to get a full pension at 45 yrs of age or at 20 yrs, but our pension is undet 25% funded...that would completely drain it..
We already have been defunded. Ask the coppers who are on pension. Rahm took away the medical supplement, then there's the 50% cut in your social security. By the way everyone blames rostenkowsky, guess who else voted for that bill? Biden & Durbin so if you voted democratic you cut you own dick off.
No contact No worries; the community safety teams and tac on 011 will generate plenty of activity!
Are retirees age 60 and older going to loose our benefit of free medical insurance?????
PENSION
MEDICAL INSURANCE
RESIDENCY (ACTIVE)
My three main goals
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Take a small raise in lieu of the right to strike.
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I’ll gladly take a no raise to be able to strike.
Scroll down to tools and e-learning once you open the below link.
https://home.chicagopolice.org/
E-learning where and when you want.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The fact that Lightfoot waited until the deadline of 3pm on the nose shows you it was her nasty intention to drag it out and play the FOP all along. She could have backed out of it months ago. But she’s not a nice person. The “savior” Vallas probably had more of a negative impact because of her dictator personality. FOP isn’t dealing with a reasonable person. Hopefully any arbitrator has been watching the way Lightfoot has been treating police officers and he doesn’t like it. Hopefully he makes her wish she took the deal.
11/25/2020 11:52:00 AM
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Right on the money. Waiting until the last minute to say a big NO Is intended to send a clear message that she has no intentions of bowing down or ahave any semblance of giving any respect or validity to the FOP union. It’s going to be sad that by the time our contract goes to arbitration the new contract would already have expired. The city has become way too complacent and comfortable about letting us work without a valid contract. Please put a clause in the new contract that there will be a monetary penalty by the city for every day we have to work without a new contract.
#defundthealdermen
FULL
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The fact that Lightfoot waited until the deadline of 3pm on the nose shows you it was her nasty intention to drag it out and play the FOP all along. She could have backed out of it months ago. But she’s not a nice person. The “savior” Vallas probably had more of a negative impact because of her dictator personality. FOP isn’t dealing with a reasonable person. Hopefully any arbitrator has been watching the way Lightfoot has been treating police officers and he doesn’t like it. Hopefully he makes her wish she took the deal.
11/25/2020 11:52:00 AM
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Right on the money. Waiting until the last minute to say a big NO Is intended to send a clear message that she has no intentions of bowing down or have any semblance of giving any respect or validity to the FOP union. It’s going to be sad that by the time our contract goes to arbitration the new contract would already have expired. The city has become way too complacent and comfortable about letting us work without a valid contract. Please put a clause in the new contract that there will be a monetary penalty by the city for every day we have to work without a new contract.
#defundthealdermen
FULL
Interesting comments and it appears there is some confusion on the Medical issues as noted in the above thread. The orders and directives state certain criteria but in a number of situations are somewhat unclear and opened to "best guesses" interpretation. This is a big problem for all concerned and will get much worst as we deal the Wuhan Red Death and perform daily policing operations. For now there needs to be clarity on the "do's and don'ts". As mentioned by others, who appear to have read the specific Medical rules/regs, you all make good points. Read and know. Protect yourself and your career.
Now to the "no contract issue. Strategies and decisions will be made by the FOP. We are in a street fight. We have to be smart and tough. That's what this private war between the vengeful and vindictive deformed oddity known as Groot and the Department. It's Personal and Not Business. If you keep that in mind in your daily work, by your calculated actions and inactions, you will find a certain empowerment to use wisely. The reduction in the police budget, no backfilling of vacated positions, the Wuhan Red Death, no PPE, No Contract and so forth all are blended together to create a backlog of unanswered work by a under deployed, sickly and weakened work force.
The Massillon Midget will be here for another two years. We are not stuck with her, rather she is stuck with us. We are here for ever and a day, either in a large force or a smaller one. We are here. Don't worry about the residents - they voted her and they get what they deserve ($94M tax increase, twice sacked city, burned out businesses, over 700 murders and 3800+ shootings) this year. As a bonus she cancelled Thanksgiving. Enough said.
We have enormous power in what and how we conduct police operations in this city by our individual and collective actions/inactions. Use it wisely and effectively. If they want numbers - give them numbers - zero is a number. Fill in the rest. We have solid FOP leadership (it's better than others in recent memory) that is engaged, outspoken and working for us. This is an educated, diverse and smart work force. It's not perfect - merit, clout corruption in the senior leadership and a useless loser Supt. diminish the effectiveness of overall efforts to protect the residents.
Back to Groot. Think about this for a second. This wretch has been twisted, made fun of and a pretender most of her life. She is pretending to be something else. She looks terribly bloated, especially with loss of beauty; misshapen; disfigured and is a dull dresser for a political figure. Life is tough, but it's a lot tougher if you are stupid. She's always looking at "payback" to make herself feel important, in-charge and feared.
She has found her personal "political punching bag" - the Department and she's not letting go and so it is. Remember this , "Payback is a two-way street".
Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family and friends as we get together to celebrate our great American tradition and enjoy the blessings bestowed upon us. Groot and her culture are hereby Cancelled.
Oh my, in all the excitement in preparing for the holiday I forgot to mention: F.U.L.L.
Contract or not, I’m still going out there and giving it my all because I’m a dumb 3 year wonder who thinks these bosses give a damn. I remember when I arrested a armed robbery offender and the commander told me
“Good job”, I felt so warm and fuzzy inside, I wanted more of it.
After watching the Pennsylvania House hearing that presented the evidence in the fraud conducted in the election I wonder if Democrats feel any buyers remorse for voting for him. Yea, okay, putting aside the whole "he's a racist, he talks bad to people" argument, what do you like about Biden? Really, what do you like about the Democratic party? I can't think of anything that is American about them and I really wish I could. Biden didn't mention any of his policies or who he would put in his cabinet.
If I was one of those activists or BLM I would be pissed. Just going off of the people he has chosen so far, looks like a bunch of D.C. retreads like John Kerry, Janet Yellen, and a bunch of Wall Street guys and not a black or brown face at all. He played you and not you are right back where you started, waiting another 4 years to throw you some scraps to retain your vote.
Biden is a globalist and he will flood this country with illegal immigrants. In this flood of immigrants, a lot of bad people will be coming also. Domestic terrorism again, suicide bombers, stabbings, etc/. are soon to come. More and more wars to shift our focus off the corrupt of a Biden administration.
If there are any Democrats that would like a sliver of truth, please watch the Pennsylvania hearings today. The fraud was off the chain and presented by regular Americans who have the bravery to stand up for America. We need more people like this. Hopefully, there is still one brave judge out there that will take on this case or at least push it up to the Supreme Court. The world is watching. Back the Blue, stay safe officers.
Now that we know the MSM is a complete fraud and in on the whole "Get Trump out of office" campaign, we might need to revisit everything that was labeled a "conspiracy theory." They are all probably true.
Have you ever looked up the definition of coronavirus is old medical dictionaries.
I looked up coronavirus and the definition was - the common cold. This is not coronavirus-1, this is coronavirus 19. We've survived 18 without a word, but 19 had the whole mail in vote tie in so of course they had to see it through.
Now their whole scheme is starting to unravel, all those corrupt governors who killed the old and now are feeling a little desperate because people are saying FU to the shutdown and they know their days are numbered. People are going to jail before this is all said and done. Watch those politicians start to squeal in Georgia and Pennsylvania. They all are going to sell out one another and once it starts it will keep going until it reaches the highest levels of government and Wall Street. I'm sure there is a lot of movement of funds in those off shore accounts that the FBI is monitoring carefully. Great days are coming.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Say bye bye to medical.
11/25/2020 03:45:00 PM
If CFD gets medical, we will get the medical. A no brainer
City is BANKRUPT!!!!! Don’t hold your breath and don’t kid yourselves. If you are under age 55, plan on getting a substantially reduced pension as the teachers crowd out limited budget funds to fund things like pensions.
Things WILL get much worse. People are leaving the City in droves. It’s why the suburban housing market is on fire. Not b/c people are moving into this god forsaken state, but rather, b/c people are running out of the City. Don’t believe me? Look up local housing prices in the burbs and recent changes compared to the City.
Not sure why the FOP pulled out of arbitration in the first place. These jerkoffs with the city do this shit all the time . They drag their feet , cancel meetings and then demand the we the membership forfeit everything for a few percent raise.
11/25/2020 07:51:00 AM
As soon as he was elected J Cat was set up by the city and insiders at the lodge. Remember the media interview without recording the conversation with the reporter and then the paper alluded JCat was discussing the contract. Rookie mistakes the City was ready for... Not to mention the swamp that was still at the lodge and is still there. Jcat was advised time and time afain from members to watch his back and drain the swamp ala- Mike Shields Fiasco. General Counsel idea was thrown out because it would cause 250k... However this would be extremely helpful since the city has unlimited funding and no oversight... They can afford to drag their feet. These people are blatant assholes. JCat still thinks like a policeman and not negotiator... ya gotta switch hats sometimes... Every God damn president including meat heat Catanzara has treated the city like they are gentleman. YOU are not dealing with gentleman!!! These people at city hall are all a politically connected family who will pass down their jobs to their inbred entitled kids! They do not give a damn about you! Wake up JCat! Yeah, I would tell you to your face bit your ego prob cannot take it.
OT. Sgt’s in 010 having officers on the medical or IOD give their log in to other officers to they can complete their e learning before comp stat. Or demanding they do e-learning at home while on the medical or IOD. Tell these idiots to pound sand unless you can fill out a OT slip or better yet don’t answer to their nonsense. We all know the commander and his side kick are giving these orders. Now go get some activity you young bucks.
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When you are on the medical you are getting paid everyday! You do not even have rdos...
Ask someone with a star on their sleeve in the future if you are not sure.
Much of what you wrote about the numbers in the past is not quite accurate. Most of what you wrote was based on bad rumors and not facts. Additionally all you are concerned with here is wages. That is not all that is important in this contract. The city is trying to take away many protections that the FOP has fought hard for regarding discipline. That matters far more than wages. The city loves guys or girls like you that are only focused on money. They can dangle the carrot and you will bite. We have already waited almost 4 yrs. Be patient a bit longer and see what happens. That is how negotiations work.
Actually you’re wrong. This 3pm deadline the FOP set was for wages only.. much like the sgts, they first settled only on financials and signed that deal. Then, after they agreed on wages the rest of the things went to arbitration. So if the city agreed on 11.5 percent then we were settled and locked in on wages and the retro process can begin and the rest of the contract can continue to proceed. Instead of taking the 10.5 percent the city offered we didn’t take and now it goes to arbitration on that part also. The cfd and sgts did not do that.. they locked it in so it would not be in the hands of an arbitrator. I agree with the original poster, this could be a mistake.. might not, but I don’t trust an arbitrator with the financial Package this go around.
Is this talk about the city offering us 10.5% true? I’m under the impression the city hasn’t offered anything. If it is true why didn’t we take it? It’s what CFD and CPD supervisors got.
PBPA got 11.5% after the me too clause with CFD. Fyi
Should have taken the 10 1/2 percent the city offered and then kept negotiated on the other stuff. The 10.5 came with no strings attached to other issues. They turned it down and are now leaving it in the hands of an arbitrator in this economy for 1 percent. Bad move. Glad I was part of the sgts contract. Hate to be the guy who said I told ya so...
OT. Sgt’s in 010 having officers on the medical or IOD give their log in to other officers to they can complete their e learning before comp stat.
ABSOFUCKINLUTELY NOT!
Never surrender or compromise your login credentials. That is your digital signature. Any record accessed is your responsibility. Wherever it ends up is your problem.
I am sure use of another's login violates the use guidelines, numerous General Orders and probably a few laws.
Anonymous said...
The arbitrator will not consider other professions when ruling on what sides raise he will approve. So the teacher argument is pointless. Also not going to arbitration for the financial aspect sooner was a bad move. The city can cry poor like they always do and mean it this time due to covid. These are the first of many mistakes that will take place due to the fact that not one person elected to the Fop now has ever negotiated a contract.
11/25/2020 12:18:00 AM
Well considering how bad the last few contracts sucked my balls, that's probably a good thing.
Anonymous said...
Catanzara is a naive for having ever thought she was going to negotiate with him. He is in over his head and can demand the moon, but at the end of the day she was never going to negotiate on a even keel. All you did was add 6 more months to Officers not receiving a raise. January 1st has been 4 years for most officers since seeing a raise, while the cost of living has absolutely skyrocketed. Some will say he fought the good fight, to what end, we are back to the exact point we were 6 months ago and no closer to settling. We brought blanks to this gunfight.
You're right, he should have just sold out the PPO's, given raised medical in exchange for new squad cars and completely stick it in the ass of the members, like the people who negotiated our last contract did. For the love of god, get over it, you lost. People like John and what he's doing. All these comments you keep posting about him never negotiating a contract before is just making you look like a crazy liberal. Stop making us look so divided with your nonsense. No matter how many times you post, we know it's still the same person.
Like the think differently but the pension is woefully underfunded and the more stress will collapse the structure. No more than 120k from the pension or 99k per position even after cola. Groot knows where it hurts it was said JC was asking 1.5 for 3 years Retro if that’s true I want a recall.
Who said put residency in there for discipline? Thats the most retarded idea ever. If you give up any of your contractual rights especially on matters dealing with discipline you're a goof. You won't have job to pay the mortgage on your new beautiful suburban home when the city bends you over you're blue and white and sticks its straight up your ass.
Anonymous said...
Since they just voted to allow property tax increases, the raise should be adjusted for that. Or allow us to move out of the city. But it looks like Cat is just that. A pussy cat with no real bite. Cat, just because you won the election on the promise of being a big voice, doesn't mean you actually know how to negotiate. Close your mouth and open your ears. That way you won't end up like shields.
11/25/2020 02:34:00 AM
You mean end up with a huge settlement cause Donahue and Co. shit the bed trying to get their power back. Mark, go laydown, your glory days are behind you. Everyone realized that you are the Madigan of the FOP, you will never wrestle power back. Our last contract was bullshit, so was the one before that. Stop acting like we've been living the highlife with the Good Ol Boys Club running the show, we were still getting shit on, we just didn't have anyone to stand up for us, unlike now. Maybe you should close your mouth and open your ears so you don't end up Pallohusky. Just take your money and go sit down. The only reason you're still allowed around is because the retirees keep voting for you.
We will now end up with what will average out to be 2% a year and we won't see it until 2022 watch. Fighting for the sake of fighting when you can't win is not smart. I feed my family on paychecks not principals.
INSTEAD OF MONEY:
20 years equal full pension
45 years old you can retire
free medical at 54 and a half years old
NO more management piks on any promotion below LTS.
Uniform allowance is pensionable(change the name of it)
DUTY availability is pensionable(change the name of it)
Give the city
must cash in all comp time when promoted
No white shirt can quit and go back to old position must resign
CAN only be promoted once in 3 years. too many ass hat take detective spot then get promoted to sgt. training cost money.
Lock up keeper civilian spot
desk officer civilian spot
commander secretary civilian spots
CAMERAS for all exempts on overtime
NO MORE TAKE HOME CARS exempts will still take the promotion regardless and drive there own cars.
city can keep the camera footage forever must blur out officers faces.
Gotta think differently for little LORI
11/25/2020 05:08:00 PM
Sounds like you have no plans of ever being promoted. Cash in all comp time? So no days off for anyone recently promoted until they build up time again? Stupid. The rest is all pure fantasy or also just plain stupid. Did you put a second of thought into any of it or just shit it all out for us to read? As for the "too many ass hat" who get promoted to detective and then sergeant, that's not really something you can put on them. The department knows where people are on each list. They promote to detective before announcing sergeant promotions. So you want someone to pass on detective and just hope the department decides to make them a sergeant soon? Training "cost" money? Pretty much everyone involved in promotional training is already getting paid. They don't just hire more people to teach promotional classes. Desk and lockup need sworn personnel. Commander's secretary will always be sworn. You're just completely clueless and out of touch.
Take a small raise in lieu of the right to strike.
11/25/2020 04:12:00 PM
You're never getting the right to strike. You can't seriously think that would ever be an option. You're also using "in lieu of" wrong. Unless you meant we should get a small raise and no right to strike, which would both be bad. In lieu is a fancy way of saying instead. Maybe you should use words you know in lieu of ones you don't. What you meant was "take a small raise IN EXCHANGE FOR the right to strike." Never going to happen. If you want to strike, you need to get a different job.
INSTEAD OF MONEY:
20 years equal full pension
45 years old you can retire
free medical at 54 and a half years old
NO more management piks on any promotion below LTS.
Uniform allowance is pensionable(change the name of it)
DUTY availability is pensionable(change the name of it)
Give the city
must cash in all comp time when promoted
No white shirt can quit and go back to old position must resign
CAN only be promoted once in 3 years. too many ass hat take detective spot then get promoted to sgt. training cost money.
Lock up keeper civilian spot
desk officer civilian spot
commander secretary civilian spots
CAMERAS for all exempts on overtime
NO MORE TAKE HOME CARS exempts will still take the promotion regardless and drive there own cars.
city can keep the camera footage forever must blur out officers faces.
Your a ignoramus
Arbitration has never gone our way.
Guys remember money isn’t everything. Pay attention to the important stuff like discipline and 29 and a day to retire with medical even if your not 55. Also don’t push for residency being lifted. If that gets lifted all city employees will be able to leave. The few nice neighborhoods left will be abandoned and turned over to the enemy. The money is nothing more than a distraction!
The whole city is shit, there are no nice neighborhoods, they’re some just decent enough because we make them decent. I want out, where my neighbors who aren’t cops and fireman are good people too. You can stay behind in this cesspool if you’d like but most people with a brain and especially us with young children want out!!!! The FOP could file a lawsuit and get rid of residency at any time if they actually wanted to. No reason for it to be thrown out as fluffer for this shitty contract negotiation that’s going to take 5 years.
Biden just said that he is going to bail out the fucked up blue states/cities. Do you think that an arbitrator will take that halfassed promise into consideration? Who do you think that money is going to?? Forget about it......
City is BANKRUPT!!!!! Don’t hold your breath and don’t kid yourselves. If you are under age 55, plan on getting a substantially reduced pension as the teachers crowd out limited budget funds to fund things like pensions.
Things WILL get much worse. People are leaving the City in droves. It’s why the suburban housing market is on fire. Not b/c people are moving into this god forsaken state, but rather, b/c people are running out of the City. Don’t believe me? Look up local housing prices in the burbs and recent changes compared to the City.
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Believe me, I believe you as I've been a victim of the ongoing city mass exodus myself. My condo in 001 has been listed for almost 5 months and I haven't received a single offer. Several condos in the same building for sale all with similar reasonable prices and none of us had any offers. People are running! It is nearly impossible to find buyers willing to purchase property downtown even well below market value.
We don’t have a me too clause. If the city cries broke , the arbitrator is aware that the sergeants, CFD, and whoever all else all have me too clauses, will get raises as well and won’t likely allow it and just give us what they got. They should get rid of these new too clauses I feel CPD is essentially negotiating raises for these people while they settle early.
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Since they just voted to allow property tax increases, the raise should be adjusted for that. Or allow us to move out of the city. But it looks like Cat is just that. A pussy cat with no real bite. Cat, just because you won the election on the promise of being a big voice, doesn't mean you actually know how to negotiate. Close your mouth and open your ears. That way you won't end up like shields.
11/25/2020 02:34:00 AM
Duh! Do the math. A 250,000 house will get a $54 tax increase. So you live in a $500,000 house meaning your raise will be $108. If you are making $80,000 a 2% raise will be $1600. So what needs to be adjusted?
The filthy little disheveled wench declared war on the cpd the day she took office. The rank and file responded with some of the lowest productivity numbers in all categories while seeing robberies, shootings and murders rise significantly. You never bite the hand that feeds you frogpuss, it's bad for business.
The last contract was all on Dean . He just like this guy walked in and knew best . They gave away duty availability , tuition reimbursement , healthcare for retirees . Equal employee hose job it didn’t miss anyone ! John had no experience except for yelling at Alderman , obtaining Cr Numbers on other cops and being in front of the Police Board . Not a fan of Donahue but let’s put the blame where it belongs !
People forget living in corrupt Chicago that cops in corrupt NYPD have for a very long time retire after 20 years and immediately receive pension. That is why you see cops between 40 and 45 retire with benefits. Don’t say things aren’t possible because it happens other places. Then again , Chicago is and has always been corrupt and thief politicians so that is why we don’t get things other cities have
Sounds like an inside desk dolly wrote this. Now go back to kissing the commanders ass, secretary with a gun
11/25/2020 05:08:00 PM
Sounds like you have no plans of ever being promoted. Cash in all comp time? So no days off for anyone recently promoted until they build up time again? Stupid. The rest is all pure fantasy or also just plain stupid. Did you put a second of thought into any of it or just shit it all out for us to read? As for the "too many ass hat" who get promoted to detective and then sergeant, that's not really something you can put on them. The department knows where people are on each list. They promote to detective before announcing sergeant promotions. So you want someone to pass on detective and just hope the department decides to make them a sergeant soon? Training "cost" money? Pretty much everyone involved in promotional training is already getting paid. They don't just hire more people to teach promotional classes. Desk and lockup need sworn personnel. Commander's secretary will always be sworn. You're just completely clueless and out of touch.
If you are ordered into the station for trainingwhile on medical or iod , have a witness and request a sgt to your house. Have him document the fact you have flu like symptoms and possibly covid. If test positive , sue,sue,sue.
If you get licensed that’s the only way to strike. But Covid is becoming really popular lately so the FLU can be real.
To the comment about going to arbitration. When the city is probably offering 10.5 %. Don’t forget there’s a democrat as president. All the dem city will get the big relief package and the republican cities aren’t getting shit.
Slow down, Slow down, SLOW DOWN.
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