Another Morale Buster
Here comes Squad Policing with all its associated fuckery:
Hey SCC,
Have you heard anything about this new squad policing and how it’s ripping partners up, screwing officers with time on the job out of there park cars and beat cars?
007 just implemented the new strategy and 3rd watch got completely shafted. You’ve got officers with no time on the job but because they’re in a specific DOG, they get the early side and beats that officers with time had previously had. The whole rumor of SGT’s get to pick there officers isn’t true at all. My secretary denied us the ability to switch DOGs in order to keep our beats, instead gave them to officers who practically just got off status. Even officers who have been partners for years are getting ripped apart because the DOG they have is stacked and obviously not the same.
It’s making a whole lot of hell in 007 and a lot of POs are pissed. So much for keeping morale high. Any chance officers in 006 or 011, or 025 are having the same issues? From what we’ve heard we can’t even grieve it with the FOP according to the staff in 007. Apparently seniority has no bearings on DOGs, or who gets the early side, park cars or specific beats.
Unfortunately, you can be reassigned Day Off Groups every year. You only bid Watches and Furloughs.
And even more unfortunately, a whole bunch of promises are being made - with no actual intent to keep them - in order to "sell" Squad Policing to the Districts.
We've noted here many times that everywhere Squad Policing has been tried, it has failed - New York, Los Angeles, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, and other places. It's even failed in 006 and 012, where it was supposed to save the massive understaffing so typical of CPD nowadays.
We have no idea what makes CPD brass think they can make it work where others have failed. There is no way to make it work without dozens of carve-outs AND a massive expenditure that isn't happening in this era of "defunding."
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
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Its all about whos your sergeant
When we tried squad policing in 012 several years ago, they at least let us bid for day off groups.
It still failed due to a lack of manpower, of course.
“We have no idea what makes CPD brass think they can make it work where others have failed.”
Well clearly CPD brass are so much smarter than other departments. That's why we pick superintendents from other agencies.
In the end it doesn't matter if it works. Change = Progress in their minds. When it fails, they'll either quietly go back to what worked, or again begin the chest beating with, “Look! The (next) latest and greatest policing strategy!”
It's also a distraction from the deep-seated problems Chicago and CPD have at the hands of the current administration.
rb
Yeah sorry about that, but you aren’t contractually guaranteed a specific day off or partner- no matter how much seniority you have.
Is it shitty? Absolutely. But is it something you can complain about? Not really.
You know what you can do?
BID. OUT. OF. 007!!!!!
I never understand why coppers will work in a thankless toilet of a district longer than their seniority requires them.
Obviously you are being screwed with, but yet you still won’t leave. Anything to be an “Englewood Ranger” I guess.
Get the memo and bid to where the grass is greener. You won’t regret it.
Ripping partners up......
Brilliant Brownie, that's who you can thank for that.
If it was Eddie Johnson, I'd say visions of Johnny Veal to you,
fat boy.
Your day off group can be changed every period without your consent. If you’re gonna spew contract knowledge, at least have it
It's sad but comical that someone from 007 is complaining about this nonsense in December 2020. I think it started in 006 in or around the same time in 2019. Long story short, squad policing is TRASH! I like to work; when I leave roll call, I want to get some car keys and get out there. With squad policing, and every beat sharing the same car, officers from 1st watch have to wait for their colleagues from 3rd watch to return their vehicle, officers from 3rd watch have to wait for officers from 2nd watch to return their vehicle, and officers from 2nd watch have to wait for officers from 1st watch to return their vehicle. For example, 3rd watch 611 makes an arrest and has to take their arrestee to the hospital because whatever, 1st watch 611 will have to sit in the station until 611 3rd watch gets back several hours later, because the consent decree requires every beat to use the same vehicle. This squad policing/consent decree nonsense is broken. F BLM, F ANTIFA, they have infiltrated the government and are F'ing CPD.
Well it sounds like activity will go through the roof.
Remember.. every Beat has a hole.
They keep trying to fix a system that isn’t broken. Ridiculous! All they have to do is let the police be the police and be just a little nice to them. A fair contract like the rest of city workers got would be nice.
Like socialism....they'll get it right this time.
Hey 007 millennial , your car assignments and DOG assignments are not seniority based.......you don’t bid for them.....you’re only granted a watch bid. They’re at the discretion of the WOL.
This version of squad policing is nothing but a DOG reallocation for officers. It guarantees you a consistent start time. Quit crying and get some bars on your sleeve . Nobody cares. It’s clear you have no idea how the contract works. Be happy it stayed 3 watches with same start times instead of tuning into a 2 watch system where you’d really get screwed. You learned your first valuable lesson. Your bosses don’t give a shit how many arrests you have.
Welcome to the party. Lived through the squad program. Clout reigns and no manpower. Taxpayers got no police service. Rap was king. So play the chess game and check off on time. Or be more creative.......
https://www2.illinois.gov/idol/Laws-Rules/safety/Pages/Hazards.aspx
Here is the online complaint form, best thing about it u can use your commander information if don’t want to use ur name out of fear of retribution...... too bad the Fed Monitor is supposed to be looking at this bullshi
If I recall correctly when this came to 006 they eliminated certain dogs which was something to grieve because the contract has a certain amount of day off groups in the contract however there weren't many officers willing to grieve the day off groups eliminated....good luck
The secretary or even the wol cant switch your dog. Read your contract can't change without an opening in a dog and without letting the highest in seniority have a chance at taking it and going down the line. This was put in due to the fact that they used to mess with you by changing your dog right before your 3 day weekends. Sometimes contract helps sometimes it doesn't. City trying to work it out w fop to figure out something. Yes this sucks but don't blame anyone at the district level they have no say so in it.
It was tried in 12 when they merged the 12th and 13th districts together. As I recall we had three rdo’s, 61, 63, 65. Everyone was asked to choose a d.o.g that they wanted, then rdo’s were assigned by seniority. I was not able to keep my rdo and was given my second choice. Partners were split, rdo’s 61 and 63 were 10 and 30 sector early cars and 65 were 20 sector late cars. The 20 sector got shafted because they had to cover everything until next shift. That first year when we merged we had over 500 officers to cover two districts. Within that year most bid out. We have less than 300 now to cover a much larger 12. Don’t believe the b.s. Sgt’s had a say in who they wanted in their squad.
I don't get it. Do we get to bid on our "partner"? Is the "park car" in the contract? Let's be honest, no matter what "car" you work on, or no matter who your partner is, you're still going to complain. 1st and 16th and do nothing....not even complain. Take the pay check and get out as soon as you can.
I worked in 006 when the great Donna Rowling was a LT. Her and godsell would come to roll call and tell you how the squad policing was great. When questioned how it's great to lose your DOG, partner, car and start time Godsell would just say "it's ok!" And Rowling would just nod cause she knew she was getting a gold star to screw cops over. I loved working in 006 due to the people I worked with. But due to Rowling and Godsell arrogance I bid out. Donna Rowling and Godsell are two ass clowns who know zero about patrol. Office people and suck ups 100%. Since they have never been the police they have zero clue what a good partner means. But they Know how to blow their way to the top
Take me off my car? You get shit from me ! Instant DOG ASS! F U L L and the donkey you rode in on.
They tried this before and it didn’t work. “Come on man”, find some new ideas.
I'm sure that that's going to motivate officers to work. seeing that they won't know or like the person next to them
We were told today the squad policing in 025 is not happening. Earlier this week they told us it was going to but they claim it will not now. It was going to be the same clusterfuck though and people were really pissed. Whoever came up with this idea never worked the street or never had a partner. It will completely destroy the watch and cause irreparable havoc. McDermott is the one who signed that order...
"From what we’ve heard we can’t even grieve it with the FOP according to the staff in 007. Apparently seniority has no bearings on DOGs, or who gets the early side, park cars or specific beats."
What recourse do you have? The department doesn't give a flying fuck about officers or officer morale. Seems the only card you have to play is to not bring in any activity. Some people have to step up over there. Officers need to start whispering in each other's ears to get people on board.
Keeping Morale High???? When did you come out of your coma?
It’s not affecting 011 because most of our manpower on IOD and medical :) we have low manpower and lower Sergeant numbers. For 1st watch (06DEC20) we have 1 field sergeant so it’s a big squad.
The beatings will continue until morale improves
Anyone who can retire and isn't is just screwing up their health.
Which means less time in retirement.
GTFO now.
Tried “squad policing” in 012. Same problems as we’re now hearing about in 007. It’s a disaster and complete morale killer. To make the concept work you need at least 20 more officers on each watch and 7 more squad cars. You also need sergeants who aren’t complete retards...so it’s obviously never going to ever work in the CPD.
I’m amazed at the department’s creativity at finding new ways Everyday to make this job suck
I’m retired, I remember DOG changes were done by seniority? Is not doe like that anymore?
If I'm not mistaken, we have no boss that has ever worked the street with a camera attached to their chest, its a completely different era of policing! I really believe they have no idea as to what is happening in Patrol and how to evolve ! They did this squad policing in 24 also a few years back, didn't work then so what have they changed to think it'll work now ???
Do nothing, see nothing and take your time and be safe responding to all calls.
We have no idea what makes CPD brass think they can make it work where others have failed. There is no way to make it work without dozens of carve-outs AND a massive expenditure that isn't happening in this era of "defunding."
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At the end of each and every day nothing can be done to eliminate the savage impulse to burn, loot or murder...
Reminds me of socialism, it’s been tried and failed 40x but THIS TIME we will get it right.
Failed in 024 in 2014.
What is squad policing? Serious question. Never heard of it.
Only do what is required.
Stop playing police.
Let it burn!
On a very sad note, the wife of our beloved dispatcher Lupe, passed away last night. Please let the troops know that prayers are needed at this time.
Your DOG can be reassigned every period not every year
Failure is the objective
Two way road. If they don't care about you, don't care about them. No tickets for them.
The people in charge have never ever passed a promotional exam, 90% of them anyway. And those that did pass are not in position to make any changes. But don’t worry, diversity is more important than competence.
"We have no idea what makes CPD brass think they can make it work where others have failed".
The same reason that Democrat/Anarchist/ Liberals think THEY can make Communism work....,.
Brown's a disaster. Just read about the woman who was carjacked on the west side and waited a hour for police. Story indicated his revamp is to blame. What a joke the city has become.
Squad policing is part of the consent decree. Everyone should read it
First of all you bid to dog. So much for that working. It's like plugging a hole in Hoover dam with a piece of gum. Think I've seen the fail too like policing did too.
DOG’s should be assigned according to seniority. So by BID.
A couple observations here. Squad policing sorta sucks and sorta doesn’t. In the beginning it sucks because it’s hard to get used to logistically. Otherwise, if you have a good group of people and a good sgt it’s not bad. It’s kinda like you are in your own little bubble and on your own team in your sector. Zero manpower right now so I don’t know how this is going to happen, especially with supervision. Also, to the original poster, it sounds like you are kind of a beefer who cries which there are many in this department. Maybe a sgt didn’t pick you? Maybe the watch commander doesn’t care to take care of you because you are a dog and a pain in the behind? Maybe nobody really wants to work with you? I’m not trying to be a hard ass at all but sometimes you need to look within. Squad policing isn’t the end of the world, especially if you have normal people in your “squad”. If your with idiots then that another story. I did it in 006 for a little while, after we got use to it wasn’t so bad. And to the original poster, your seniority can only get you so far on this job. Seniority for an early or better car is only an unwritten rule so having a decent personality will get you far on this job no matter how big of a dog you may be. Again, only an observation.
Sounds a lot like socialism.
CPD brass do not care about how officers react to squad policing or any other policy change. Why would anyone think otherwise? lightfoot calls officers "cry babies". Brown is controlled by the mayor and no thought is ever given for the street officers. They will try something new every month to cover the horrific crime rate. Sad
Maybe the Community Safety Unit will spin off and become a separate entity like the old Park Police. Just think of the command openings with take home cars. Have their own superintendent. Comprised of the most aggressive super rangers.
Fuck ‘em! Hit the medical.....
Give them nothing, but take from them everything!
Anonymous said...
It’s not affecting 011 because most of our manpower on IOD and medical :) we have low manpower and lower Sergeant numbers. For 1st watch (06DEC20) we have 1 field sergeant so it’s a big squad.
12/05/2020 04:44:00 AM
I retired last year & shortly before that I checked Sgt manpower throughout the city (districts).
At the time, we had 23 total Sgt's & 011 had 43.
Where'd they all go???
Some thing happening in 004 on midnights. Took partners away and people that have 1 day off status got to keep the early dog. It’s a mess and a grievance will be filled
Park CarS with an S? How many park cars do you have in 007?
Squad policing is a joke. In 006 there hasn’t been a rapid car up in months. For 3rd watch late side you are lucky if you have 3 or 4 cars up to cover the whole district, and god forbid that there is a shooting between the time the early cars go in and the 1st watch cars come out. It’s an officer safety issue. But thank god we have these CST teams filled with kids just off their status that work 4 hours a day and get blue cards on little old ladies.
Crime is out of control, yet we fall back on what we have always have done. Time to change and shake it up. Screw the seniority selection and let the management manage their staff. If it fails, then hold them accountable and try something and someone different.
Never confuse activity for accomplishment. CPD brass is full of activity, not much accomplishment.
Anonymous said...
“We have no idea what makes CPD brass think they can make it work where others have failed.”
Well clearly CPD brass are so much smarter than other departments. That's why we pick superintendents from other agencies.
In the end it doesn't matter if it works. Change = Progress in their minds. When it fails, they'll either quietly go back to what worked, or again begin the chest beating with, “Look! The (next) latest and greatest policing strategy!”
It's also a distraction from the deep-seated problems Chicago and CPD have at the hands of the current administration.
rb
12/05/2020 12:24:00 AM
Yes, there's that...
But WHEN Squad Policing fails THIS TIME,
it'll be because you "RACIST and rebellious
Mt. Greenwood/Edison Pk. blue collar conservative
echo-chamber dwelling Cops" are all hiding behind
your overly sweet EFF-OH-PEE union contract protections,
pouting/sitting on your hands/counting days until you can
retire - while "resisting every reasonable effort toward
YOU, being made to accept finally being reformed."
...Or some similar such.
Sarcasm:
ON/(OFF)
>Click!<
Adaptive Re- Organization can make a big difference but ONLY ( emphasize ONLY) IF you hand adequate resources ( i.e., Personnel) to begin with! You cannot attempt to organize your way out of the BASIC FACTS that: first, CPD is undermanned and below strength; second, too many PO in support roles and not On the Street; third, On the Street ( Patrol) manpower is mis allocated.
Who the hell is pushing this squad policing? It was a COMPLETE DISASTER in 012 under McCarthy and staples .You would need 50 more policeman on every watch to make it work and more sgts and LTs on each watch. Who is the brainchild behind this ? Stupid
Here is a tried and true answer to all of this BS. You come to work, get your car, answer you radio assignments and go home. If you are in the 006/007/11th Districts what are they going to do to you? Answer your radio assignments and follow the general orders, special orders to the letter. Oh by the way, I can't write a ticket/mover if I don't see one.
I worked in 006 when the great Donna Rowling was a LT. Her and godsell would come to roll call and tell you how the squad policing was great. When questioned how it's great to lose your DOG, partner, car and start time Godsell would just say "it's ok!" And Rowling would just nod cause she knew she was getting a gold star to screw cops over. I loved working in 006 due to the people I worked with. But due to Rowling and Godsell arrogance I bid out. Donna Rowling and Godsell are two ass clowns who know zero about patrol. Office people and suck ups 100%. Since they have never been the police they have zero clue what a good partner means. But they Know how to blow their way to the top
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I chuckled when I read the comment about Rowling! You hit the nail on the head! I’m glad she’s gone, a phony two-faced hump! Good riddance!
Morale buster? You serous? It's done-been done for a while now
DOGs are based on seniority if needed. Volunteers first, then reverse seniority. BUt not to pick any, just the ones they need to put people in to balance. So if they needed people to be in 3, you could request to go to 3. IF that would upset the balance where you are, you're screwed.
Aren’t tact teams basically a squad concept?
What moral? Gone along time ago. Now just going thru the motions and so is every other cop on the job I talk to. Terrible leadership in command structure, clueless hateful little runt at City Hall running her Superintendent Puppet Brown unending 12 hour shifts. Oh yea no contract going on 4 years. And why? To stop the people of color from killing themselves and robbing the rest of us blind. Maybe a mass extermination of all vermin in city is in order. Fetal policing is the order of the day, month and year. Collect your check and do nothing just like all the rest of the city workers. Protect your families and let the rest rot in their own filth.
uhm just to let you know kid, secretaries dont have the ability to deny your DOG switch, they are patrolmen working behind a desk, Your Lt has the ability to switch your DOG to whatever they see fit. lets not start controversy just to start it.
This shit is not going to work because not enough manpower, supervisor, cars, or equipment they want to follow everything on the consent decree they have no idea wtf they are doing in this department. The mayor has destroyed not only this city but the police department as well. You hire an outsider that has no idea of the dynamics of our department. Only two districts will be getting the squad policing next year. It's a failure it will not work just ask the 006th district. CST is taking all of the districts manpower and for what they only conduct traffic stops and work 6hour days that's why everyone is volunteering for the unit.
Don’t worry. Just go get those arrests.
What would Sipowicz do?
If only CPD has a black superintendent...
I worked in 006 when the great Donna Rowling was a LT. Her and godsell would come to roll call and tell you how the squad policing was great. When questioned how it's great to lose your DOG, partner, car and start time Godsell would just say "it's ok!" And Rowling would just nod cause she knew she was getting a gold star to screw cops over. I loved working in 006 due to the people I worked with. But due to Rowling and Godsell arrogance I bid out. Donna Rowling and Godsell are two ass clowns who know zero about patrol. Office people and suck ups 100%. Since they have never been the police they have zero clue what a good partner means. But they Know how to blow their way to the top
Just like her medical abusing scumbag arrogant sgt brother. Arrogance runs rampant in that family.
If you really like something do you think the department cares? No! So they don’t care if you hate it. Bid out of the squad district
Naw, all their plans and strategies work...they consider themselves gods gift to law enforcement, they’ll blame lack of funding, lack of resources, lack of manpower, lack of support from the beat cops and so on, they’ll never admit that they don’t know jack about being the police
So it's been 4 yrs w/o a contract, that doesn't really matter because they do what they want anyway. It's almost like there begging law enforcement to, you know, enforce the law. Sure, then the lawsuits begin.
Years ago when you expressed unhappiness about the job, or complained that someone ‘connected’ was given an opportunity that most were denied, the wise old bosses would tell you that it was a job, and that if you didn’t like it you could quit. They were right. I am surprised that the younger officers complain about the mayor Hating the Police, or comment that the bosses won’t take care of them.
"The mayor has my back!"
- Gary
Groot is a terrible spite full person, but remember the consent decree is totally on Rahm and Lisa Madigan. They are the vermin that created this bs consent decree even after Sessions shut it down.
In the US Army a 9 -11 man Infantry unit is called a SQUAD; in the British Army, a similar- sized Infantry unit is called a SECTION. We have 3-4 Squads per Platoon; the British have 3-4 Sections per Platoon.
My point is this. WHEN “ Squad” Policing inevitably fails, we can simply re-name it SECTION Policing and try it all over again under a “ new” name!
Section 20.10 — Day-Off Group Assignment
In the event the Employer determines to change an Officer's day-off group assignment, the
Employer shall seek volunteers to satisfy its needs; provided, however, (1) if there are more
volunteers than required, the volunteers with the greatest seniority on the watch in the day-off group
affected shall be changed, and (2) if there are not sufficient volunteers, the Officers with the lowest
seniority on the watch in the day-off group affected shall be changed; provided further, said
Officers meet the Employer's needs.
BID.OUT.OF.007!!!
Get the memo and bid to where the grass is greener. You won’t regret it.
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What year did you bid out of the ghetto...and when was the last time you looked at the C.O. Book?! There are no bid openings in the last remaining good districts (12, 17, 18, 20)...and you need over 26 years to get to the airports. The whole city is turning into a ghetto. Welcome to Chicago 2020. Hell even 12 and 18 have homicides and Agg Batteries to POs every weekend now. Stop posting useless advice if you don’t know what you’re talking about Clout Baby.
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First of all you bid to dog. So much for that working. It's like plugging a hole in Hoover dam with a piece of gum. Think I've seen the fail too like policing did too.
12/05/2020 08:59:00 AM
**No wonder why your doing 30 pending..YOU DO NOT BID for your dog..its not a contractual thing dumbass. It never shocks me how many officers DO NOT EVEN UNDERSTSAND our own contract!!! The only thing anyone knows is money and it goes to stupidity after that.
And yet so many still go get those blue cards, write those tickets etc. STOP until 01 Jan! Do reports make tge arrest when needed but stop all the little bullshit things they keep asking/demanding.
how about the cops just do their jobs and fuck the idiots and start beating ass of window breakers and thieves and fuck the bosses ,it was what you were hired for to protect life and property,,,just do it and the decent citizens will back you ala the 1968 Dem riots on Michigan ave.95 percent of citizens interviewed gave the cops hi fives for doing their jobs of ass whipping the lil bitches and moving on,
Well take a look at the fop Facebook page. Caranzarra admitted he traded this new time off program to not fight squad policing. It’s in black and white.
Can't wait to retire from this fuck'n shithole!!!!
how about the cops just do their jobs and fuck the idiots and start beating ass of window breakers and thieves and fuck the bosses ,it was what you were hired for to protect life and property,,,just do it and the decent citizens will back you ala the 1968 Dem riots on Michigan ave.95 percent of citizens interviewed gave the cops hi fives for doing their jobs of ass whipping the lil bitches and moving on,
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What country are you living in? The "decent citizens" are scared to speak up and vote let alone back us ala 1968. Even people on the Right hate the police and insult us at every opportunity for enforcing traffic laws and taking away their guns {snicker}. You think the city would defend a cop for beating a looter with their baton...or shrug as the copper gets indicted for Aggravated Battery? This is America 2.0 now. The good guys lost Boomer. Act accordingly...the police already are.
The long arm of the law says:
Hey, you elected that bug eyed bitch, now deal with it, it’s your own fucking fault, keep voting Democrat
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