District OT
This may alleviate some of the manpower shortages....and pay some bills:
TIME OFF INITIATIVE
The Lodge reached agreement with the Department on a time off initiative this morning. It increases the maximum percent off allowed from 15% to 30%. This is for District Law Enforcement only. It will work in the following way;
Officers will submit time off requests 14 days or more prior to the date(s)
They will be granted or denied time no less than 7 days prior to the day requested.
Manpower will be augmented by a vri- like initiative according to the 5 police areas. Officers can sign up to work their RDO’s and/or Furlough segments. As long as there are enough volunteers up to 30% would get their time off. Volunteers would come from in district first (district of assignment) and then patrol area secondly if needed and strictly by seniority. Time off requests CANNOT be denied as long as their is manpower available. Volunteer list must be exhausted before days off can be cancelled.
This is a Memorandum of Understanding that is protected by the grievance and arbitration procedures. It has a guarantee of 2 years through the end of 2022. After that it will be subject to negotiations.
There are details still being addressed. The FOP will maintain a copy of the volunteer lists to monitor proper enactment of the program. Any questions, please call the Lodge during normal business hours.
Overtime paid at time and a half.
M-T 8-8; Fri 8-7
This is precisely how it was sent to us, so any questions should be directed to the Lodge. Our main question is are those the hours every day at the bottom, meaning NOT on weekends and minimum 12 hours, 11 on Fridays? And this looks like a day shift only? That doesn't make sense at all.
UPDATE: Hey, remember when Groot budgeted $95 million for OT and then they eliminated VRI? And then she spent $200 million on OT already in 2020?
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
40 Comments:
When does it start? Sign me up!!
It’s a really nice program and I think it will be great except there is a slight catch, which the fop already confirmed on their Facebook page but the fop agreed to not fight the squad policing program citywide. A judge ruled that it was contractual and could not be rolled out citywide. That was about a year or so ago. So the city stopped after doing “pilot” programs in a few districts with it. Yes, it was in the consent decree but it was still a contractual right so it could not be over ridden by the decree. The city tried and the judge said not so fast, the officers have rights. So, the city sat down with the fop and this is what they came up with. What do you wanna bet that after squad policing is implemented citywide, the city will break on this memorandum of understanding and get rid of the program... which they have every right to do because it’s only a memorandum, not contractual. So, get ready for squad policing and only 3 day off groups. So if you thought you had 4th of July or Christmas off I hate to tell you that you don’t anymore because the squad policing only has three day off groups. Will see how this all plays out.
This was from the FOP website. I’m assuming its the hours the Lodge is open.
Yes it doesn’t make sense. What are the hours and days? Also it says “30% if there’s enough manpower” Well we all know there isn’t and it’s dwindling by the month. And the main problem with this is, “a memorandum of understanding” Does anyone think Lightfoot gives a fuck about “a memorandum of understanding?” The consent decree is a hell of a lot more official and she picks and chooses what she wants to follow with that. I think everyone in the city knows her personality by now and she rules with an iron fist and does whatever she wants. I personally think JCat got is trying to show the members something after being played by groot thinking she would negotiate a contract when he should have just went to arbitration right away.
Retired almost 11years ago said:
A long time ago, during a manpower shortage, we had a guy who was always off for
Mother's Day, Father's Day, Christmas Eve, New Year's Eve, Easter, cubs opening day, or any day he wanted.
Finally the watch secretary explained to us that he never submitted a time do slip. He submitted a PAR for
day off, no pay, non disaplinary. The takeaway is the department cannot refuse this. No work, no pay.
Any shithouse lawyers wish to comment? With all the OT you have made this year, you could afford
a day off, no pay, to see your spouse and kids.
I've heard many Trump supporters say that the rioting and looting will end once Biden is sworn into office as if the chaos was all orchestrated. I dont think it's that simple. Yes, a lot of these protesters are funded. However, there are plenty of miscreants that joined in just to steal and wreck shit. Now that the proverbial genie thug has been let out its 40 ounce Old English bottle, I predict repeats, next spring and summer, of the same chaos we had this year. Glad I don't work in 001.
It’s all BS no one wants OT they have had days off cancelled forever
This seems like a shitshow in the making. Districts are already low on manpower, without even hitting the 15% limit now in place. Watches are being supplemented with volunteers working their RDO or working multiple watches in a day, and there are still multiple down cars. There just aren't enough people to fill the holes, even with RDO officers working. It's ridiculous and unsafe. You'll have random officers working in unfamiliar areas, still shorthanded, while burnt out from not having a day off. Supervisors will be dealing with unknown officers from another district, which is sort of the exact opposite of this department's awesome squad program idea. Just a recipe for disaster. The way to increase the number of officers allowed off on a given day is to increase manpower overall. Disband the idiotic citywide bullshit teams and send them back to their districts. Hire more people than you're losing to retirement. Stop trying to fire everyone for every little thing. The way things are going, we'll be lucky to have anyone left willing and able to actually do this job in 5 years. It's also pretty hard to volunteer to work your RDO when you get them canceled constantly throughout the year. This city and department can't possibly make this work. Good luck to everyone. I just don't see it working out at all. Was the 15% thing just a general, unwritten guideline, created by some useless boss? Now they're basically making the percentage a part of the contract. Certain WOLs have been known to go above the 15% on occasion, which could result in a nasty email or something. Now they'd be restricted by an actual written and agreed upon percentage. If the overtime gets completely out of control, the city will find a way to back out. They already violate the contract at will and just wait to be called on it. Then you have to file a grievance to force them to eventually do what they were contractually bound to do in the first place. There are just way too many things that can and will go wrong with this idea.
Maybe Byrne but thats about it.
My, this sounds rather complicated and that you need a labor attorney. I remember presenting the yellow slip to the boss. If he didn't throw it back in your face it meant you got the time.
Sounds great to be able to get a day off when requested and great for the guys who want to slave to pay off their 200k additions on their house thats located in a State about to get a junk rating. My only question is, Who is gonna pay into a pension that is 360 million in the hole? We keep letting the City off the hook from hiring people. Its much cheaper for the City to throw time and one half at people than train a kid and give them health care and a pension. I think we better tread very carefully, seems like the city wants the pension to go bust. Just Sayin..
Whooooosh. That went way over my head.
It's lodge hours
Horrible idea, now no need to hire new officers and the pension gets depleted. Think long term boys and girls.
They can agree to this but over three years without a contract What are we waiting for let's go to Arbitration
Good. I'm going to hit the ot hard so I can retire a little earlier than planned. I thought I had 4 more to go but now I hope to cut that in half
It’s a really nice program and I think it will be great except there is a slight catch, which the fop already confirmed on their Facebook page but the fop agreed to not fight the squad policing program citywide. A judge ruled that it was contractual and could not be rolled out citywide. That was about a year or so ago. So the city stopped after doing “pilot” programs in a few districts with it. Yes, it was in the consent decree but it was still a contractual right so it could not be over ridden by the decree. The city tried and the judge said not so fast, the officers have rights. ...
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A contractual right does not trump a legally mandated consent decree. In fact, a federal consent decree can legally interfere with your contractual rights. Can there be negotiations and come to an agreement? Yes. Can a contractual right override a legally mandated federal consent decree? No.
We are experiencing the consent decree at the low-level of authority. This is nothing compared to what the federal government can do.
Anonymous said...
It’s a really nice program and I think it will be great except there is a slight catch, which the fop already confirmed on their Facebook page but the fop agreed to not fight the squad policing program citywide. A judge ruled that it was contractual and could not be rolled out citywide. That was about a year or so ago. So the city stopped after doing “pilot” programs in a few districts with it. Yes, it was in the consent decree but it was still a contractual right so it could not be over ridden by the decree. The city tried and the judge said not so fast, the officers have rights. So, the city sat down with the fop and this is what they came up with. What do you wanna bet that after squad policing is implemented citywide, the city will break on this memorandum of understanding and get rid of the program... which they have every right to do because it’s only a memorandum, not contractual. So, get ready for squad policing and only 3 day off groups. So if you thought you had 4th of July or Christmas off I hate to tell you that you don’t anymore because the squad policing only has three day off groups. Will see how this all plays out.
12/06/2020 12:21:00 AM
Absolutely this will happen. The FOP should have figured out how the city plays decades ago. First, I sure hope the FOP didn’t “sit down and agree” to this hoax. The way Lightfoot treated FOP during contract negotiations and FOP supposedly gave the city something? If this isn’t in the contract then it means nothing to Lightfoot. Even if it were in the contract she wouldn’t care. The bosses reject time off, you may grieve it and nothing happens for a year and then you’re told “sorry sucker you lost” Second, This is a pipe dream and squad policing doesn’t work and requires a lot of manpower. So how are they going to allow all the time off? LIGHTFOOT KILLED THE MANPOWER!
This a bad bad bad bad bad very bad idea. The was only implemented because your FOP President John Cantanzara is ALLOWING the squad policing and ELIMINATION of 3 DOG groups even though and arbitrator has ruled the city can not do it without negotiating it. The Squad Policing program and eliminations DOGs rightfully found against with your bad earned FOP dues and John Cantanzara gave it away for an OT program that is basically in effect already. Districts already have an unlimited amount of OT due to the cancelation of VRI. This will have negligible effect on you getting time off. Remember the words UP TO doesn’t not mean MUST in regards to 30% off. This is an issue with the original time off agreement.
VERY BAD agreement but John Cantanzara will SPIN it as a win and unfortunately people will buy it without seeing the long term consequences
That 7 days for the city to cancel days off makes all that other shit worthless!
should have been double time and a half!!!!
If an employer only pays regular overtime they will not hire more officers.
That six work day pay is also worthless. Should be based on everyday worked not work week.
The city will get someone killed , you notice how the COVID is being handled lets see
all the Alderman who work from home jump line for the vaccine and still not open alder-manic offices.
THE MAYOR HATES YOU! START FIGHTING BACK
Retired almost 11years ago said:
It was called “take me off the payroll”. I think they got rid of it, worth looking into
Wasn’t there some negotiated initiative or agreement that allowed PO’s to swap their RDO with another, allowing one to fill in the Beat while the other got the time off and had to work the volunteers rdo’s when they returned ?
I recall it was quite a mess to do and they made it difficult with the watch sec always had a kanipshin. I remember an old-timer once said if you’re ever denied time off, put in a PAR for a Day Off without Pay...which they cannot deny...CU was promptly granted.
As for work your District compensation, will these initiatives be pensionable?
I don’t doubt the sinister, conniving Larri LightFührer has no intention to do any hiring at all of 2021 and that’s going to spell more trouble for pension contributions. Don’t be fooled - it’s All part of the Defund Movement.
Good for patrol. But again a f••• you to Detectives. Zero overtime to complete investigations, etc.
What was traded off for this totally benefits that city. Especially since this was a letter of understanding which means next contract its gone. Fop fucked up on this one.
What a mess!! Definitely more questions than answers. We are short, citywide. So... don’t hire more, let’s us work more rdos. I get it, some coppers love it but no thank you. It’s old , I’m old. Can’t get time back with family, they give up enough with the shit we already deal with. Good luck all, how long before it gets old. Sure, u can have a day off, if you’re buddy works for you. Not to mention sometimes we can’t afford do give 15% off, 30 will not happen esp in summer. Sure coppers DONT mind sitting in a car in the winter but they definitely don’t want this come summer. Great idea FOP
Don't know what to think about this. Anytime the city agrees to something the hairs start to stand up on the back of my neck. There is always an angle that works out for them. Take advantage of it while you can because it probably will not last.
Don't be a fool. The OT program will end within months after the squad policing "program" is established. They get what they want and then cut their end of the "agreement". Bet on it! You all better get on the horn woth FOP and tell them NO!
Now that’s a great improvement . Next let’s get a 15% well deserved pay increase . It’s still 1% less than CPS teachers receive and they work from home . Keep it going , if you know of any teacher living outside city limits ,turn the teachers in .
A long time ago, during a manpower shortage, we had a guy who was always off for
Mother's Day, Father's Day, Christmas Eve, New Year's Eve, Easter, cubs opening day, or any day he wanted.
Finally the watch secretary explained to us that he never submitted a time do slip. He submitted a PAR for
day off, no pay, non disaplinary. The takeaway is the department cannot refuse this. No work, no pay.
Any shithouse lawyers wish to comment? With all the OT you have made this year, you could afford
a day off, no pay, to see your spouse and kids.
12/06/2020 12:41:00 AM
The department can absolutely refuse the PAR. You don't get to decide which days you want to come and which you don't. Don't come into work? Start the discipline. Get enough no shows, you get fired by the police board. Its a slam dunk case.
Many years from now we will look back and say "I paid off my mortgage from the 2020 overtime"!
Not trying to be so negative but first off this is a memorandum of understanding. This squad policing was halted after implemented in the pilot districts. It was able to remain in those districts but not rolled out citywide because it was not bargained for. So the city needed an in. THEY offered this. FOP talked with them and hammered out the details and they got this. Which on its face is great! It really is, 30 percent is good and OT is good as are full watch sheets. But, it’s a memorandum, not contract. The city will abide by this time off program while implementing the squad policing. Once it’s in place for a while the city will come up with a reason to dump the time off initiative in the memorandum. Then, this will be gone and squad polidcing will stay and nothing can be done after the fact. They can file an unfair labor practice but if it’s months after a judge will NEVER make the city go back to the old schedule.. squad policing will stay. Did JCAT really think that a package the city just all of a sudden showed up to his doorstep with with was not in their best interest??? Yes, this is a long term trap so they don’t have to wait and slug this out in court. They get their system in place and discontinue the OT. Dumb. They should have said anything we talk about will be at the contract table.
I think this is a HUGE win for the FOP. Now will the SGT’s get this too? This should’ve been in place years ago. The fire dept has this I believe. If u want a day off, believe me there is someone in the city that will work for u that day to make the OT. It’s a win win. Instead of guys working security at some store, they can come make better pay doing their normal job.
Typical, complain 24/7 about low manpower and districts/watches being short, then Groot defunds hundreds of positions, rather than fill them. Then, rather that complain and force her to reinstate the positions and hire about 1,000 more cops, she throws everyone a bone to work on their days off for extra pay, now everyone is happy and can’t wait to sign up. Just like VRI was!
Nothing will change as long as every blue shirt is greedy!
Glad I quit when I did and went to the burbs
Any request submitted on a PAR form can be denied, remember the important word request. Anyone saying a request can’t be denied is lying to you.
This doesn't sound right...if the city likes it, it's bad for the police.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Good. I'm going to hit the ot hard so I can retire a little earlier than planned. I thought I had 4 more to go but now I hope to cut that in half
12/06/2020 08:39:00 AM
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That’s brilliant! You’ll cut your time until retirement in half as well as your post-retirement life expectancy. The city really appreciates you “showing them” how smart you are, because they will make many fewer pension payments.
Live it up bub. Don’t come crying about your 3rd divorce and heart attacks.
Anonymous said...
Not trying to be so negative but first off this is a memorandum of understanding. This squad policing was halted after implemented in the pilot districts. It was able to remain in those districts but not rolled out citywide because it was not bargained for. So the city needed an in. THEY offered this. FOP talked with them and hammered out the details and they got this. Which on its face is great! It really is, 30 percent is good and OT is good as are full watch sheets. But, it’s a memorandum, not contract. The city will abide by this time off program while implementing the squad policing. Once it’s in place for a while the city will come up with a reason to dump the time off initiative in the memorandum. Then, this will be gone and squad polidcing will stay and nothing can be done after the fact. They can file an unfair labor practice but if it’s months after a judge will NEVER make the city go back to the old schedule.. squad policing will stay. Did JCAT really think that a package the city just all of a sudden showed up to his doorstep with with was not in their best interest??? Yes, this is a long term trap so they don’t have to wait and slug this out in court. They get their system in place and discontinue the OT. Dumb. They should have said anything we talk about will be at the contract table.
12/06/2020 06:09:00 PM
You’re 100% correct This is exactly the way it will play out. Past practice for the city is to lure into the trap and then change the rules in the middle of the game. The city was never fair and with Lightfoot it’s at its worst. FOP should have said pound sand just like Lightfoot did during contract negotiations.
Anonymous said...
That 7 days for the city to cancel days off makes all that other shit worthless!
should have been double time and a half!!!!
If an employer only pays regular overtime they will not hire more officers.
That six work day pay is also worthless. Should be based on everyday worked not work week.
The city will get someone killed , you notice how the COVID is being handled lets see
all the Alderman who work from home jump line for the vaccine and still not open alder-manic offices.
THE MAYOR HATES YOU! START FIGHTING BACK
12/06/2020 09:49:00 AM
The 6th 7th work day pay is laughable. Wow minuscule 4.25 HRs of extra pay to work your ass off and have no life. The entire day should be double time. Maybe then the city would have second thoughts about working cops to death.
Anonymous said...
This a bad bad bad bad bad very bad idea. The was only implemented because your FOP President John Cantanzara is ALLOWING the squad policing and ELIMINATION of 3 DOG groups even though and arbitrator has ruled the city can not do it without negotiating it. The Squad Policing program and eliminations DOGs rightfully found against with your bad earned FOP dues and John Cantanzara gave it away for an OT program that is basically in effect already. Districts already have an unlimited amount of OT due to the cancelation of VRI. This will have negligible effect on you getting time off. Remember the words UP TO doesn’t not mean MUST in regards to 30% off. This is an issue with the original time off agreement.
VERY BAD agreement but John Cantanzara will SPIN it as a win and unfortunately people will buy it without seeing the long term consequences
12/06/2020 09:28:00 AM
It’s horrible and JCat got played again by Lightfoot. The city will get their squad policing and then end the time off later on. Why would he trust someone that strung him along until 3:00pm on the nose and said “FU No contract” He should have said I’m not talking to you about anything until cops get a contract!
In my imagination when people bring up these types of ideas, a very old English man takes off a white glove and slaps the person in the face. Can someone please tell someone that no matter how you rearrange the deck chairs your still on the titanic. News flash, there is still a work week, there are still furlo’s and furlo extensions, and Personal days and baby furlo days and medical and medical abusers and in service training and court and on and on and on. The squad is not gonna plug the hole.
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