Chicago Federal Judge Did What?
As a five-time convicted felon, Glen Prince was facing a mandatory minimum 15 years behind bars when he was charged in federal court with being a felon in possession of a handgun stemming from an armed robbery on CTA train in 2021.
Instead, Prince’s case was tossed out earlier this month by a federal judge who ruled the statute barring felons from possessing handguns is unconstitutional in light of a recent U.S. Supreme Court decision.
The ruling by U.S. District Judge Robert Gettleman is the first of its kind to come down in Chicago’s federal court and joins a host of other similar cases that have thrown the decades-old law into a sort of legal limbo as the issue works its way back to the high court.
And what about pending cases?
- The implications are particularly large in Chicago, where there are hundreds of pending felon-with-firearm cases stemming largely from the U.S. attorney’s office efforts to throw federal law enforcement resources into the fight against the city’s relentless gun violence.
As many might recall, after the lack of comprehensive prosecution at the local level by Crimesha, the US Attorneys office stepped in and started prosecuting Federal Law violations. When applied ruthlessly in Virginia years ago, violent crime dropped by something like 40% overnight. Criminals heard about Operation Exile and didn't feel like doing 10 years in a Federal pen a thousand miles from home. It never went that far here, but it was the only game in town.
Now it's all on hold? We had a couple gun cases go through the US Attorney's Office here and the prosecutors were very thorough. VERY. Multiple prep sessions, intelligent questions, and they seemed to know their jobs as opposed to Crimesha's shit show. And although this was under a democrat administration in a democrat city/county/state, we did end up batting .500 with the cases and the bad guy did get sent away for quite a while.
Labels: crime, info for the police
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
64 Comments:
Just in time for Hunter Biden's 4473 issues to be dismissed.
If convicted felons can possess a firearm, so can drug addicts.
Coincidences are weird, right?
So.
An actively committing more crimes convicted felon gats a pass.
Will a decades old non violent federally convicted felon also get a pass?
Like, say Rod B., our former governor?
Or Miriam Santos?
Or Martha Stewart?
Or my pet snake, Reggie?
He will be overturned. Felony prohibitions will be upheld.
One HUGE difference between the 1790's and today? They rarely needed to restrict a convicted felon's rights to arms, because most of the convicted felons sentences were completed after their dead body was cut down from the gallows. Dead men do not need access to weapons anymore.
I'm a Second Amendment absolutist. Every individual in the United States has a right to bear arms. When it comes to constitutional rights, we have to take the good with the bad.
Or else they take away our right to own guns gradually. Soon, they take away the Second Amendment rights of: people convicted of misdemeanors, people accused of crimes but not convicted, register your guns and ammo or you can't carry, a social credit score that determines if you can or can not carry a gun on you, etc...
Remember, the left is very cunning and ruthless. Their main method of operations to take away fundamental rights is to do it gradually.
Hopefully someone with power is looking into the case and the judge.Please name the judge.
Speaking of court rulings did anyone hear the US supreme court ruled that you do not need a driver's license to "travel" on the roadway. If this is true we should just say we give up lawlessness rules.
So that's unconstitutional but the assault weapons ban that porky signed is constitutional?
We are so screwed.
Until it hits them or their families this delusional thinking will continue unabated! Started by democrats the lawless people!
so basically, or is it basicky?? old rmd flashback....nobody really needs law enforcement? it seems like honest tax paying citizens are on their own.
You don’t lose constitutional rights for having committed a crime, having been convicted, and having served your sentence. Or else they aren’t rights.
Can you imagine if Gettleman was a Trump appointee? Media would be all over this ruling that MAGA judge tears at established precedent. Another Roe v. Wade debacle coming from the left. Since the judge was a Clinton appointee from the 90’s you won’t hear a sound from them.
Groan. Here we go.
I have to admit I agree with the judge here. There are too many restrictions and I favor removing most of them. In fact the only one I would keep is an adjudicated case of mental incompetency.
How about we take whatever time you typically get from "possession by a felon" and just tack that onto the time given for the actual crime committed with the gun?
Call it double-secret aggravated murder/robbery/assault/etc.
The question is a good one that SCOTUS finally brought to the forefront. Where in the Constitution does it say that conviction of a crime causes one to lose their God-given rights as spelled out in the Constitution? The answer is: Nowhere.
So that's unconstitutional but the assault weapons ban that porky signed is constitutional?
We are so screwed.
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Don't worry, you'll be able to get your AK. It just has to work its way through the courts.
I agree with this judge. You serve your time your rights should be restored. As for domestic violence convictions, I think that's also unconstitutional.
The inmates run the asylum.
Should convicted felons be denied the right to free speech? Religion? Assembly? An attorney? Due process?
Why just the Second Amendment?
OT: An Important Note: There are just three weeks before the December 7th, 2023 deadline for comments on ATF’s “Engaged in the business” rule. PLEASE politely post your objections to this unconstitutional rule. In your comment, make two points very clear: There is NO valid jurisdiction (“Federal Nexus”) for ATF to regulate private party INTRAState sales of used guns that are no longer in INTERstate commerce. Furthermore, per the Bruen decision, there is NO pre-1791 analogous gun law that anyone can cite. (Bruen‘s “History, text, and tradition.”)
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2023/09/08/2023-19177/definition-of-engaged-in-the-business-as-a-dealer-in-firearms
(Click on green box that says, "SUBMIT A FORMAL COMMENT")
Man I hope I get this judge when the atf finds my ar pistol with brace, force reset and armor piercing rounds!
We are allowing convicted felons to carry now? These are the people that are high on the psychopathic scale and low on the impulse control scale. Great idea “2nd Amendment” absolutist. You’re a moron.
Want to keep your guns, get out of Illinois.
Plain and simple. Tenn. is nice.
Question I saw in the comments above someone mentioned Martha Stewart being able to possess a weapon here is a question? There is a commercial from our Government reminding us to take that COVID booster W/ all the “stars” showing off their bandaids. But here is the question…….Martha Stewart is holding a Katana sword. Isn’t that a “weapon”??? Can she possess the blade as a convicted felon?? Should she be filmed holding a weapon???? Questions questions but few answers
There's still the "take it out of my cold dead hands" solution.
Off-topic: I heard Johnny Boy tried to play Mr. Nice Guy at last night's FOP meeting. Instead of his regular performance of hurling insults, derogatory remarks, and implicit threats towards members, he decided to put on a 'human' act. I bailed on these meetings a year ago as they became less about useful information and more a stage for John and his cult to self-congratulate and suppress dissent. At first, I naively thought maybe John had seen the light, thanks to some soul-searching or an earful from an outsider. But nope, it turns out the big guns from the National FOP were in town. It seems John got a reality check from the National Lodge and is now being tightly reined in, especially after his grandiose threat to splinter off and start his own union sideshow. I bet he was itching to launch into one of his infamous rants, especially with all the chatter about him in the recent SCC Blog post. But alas, he couldn’t risk showing the boys from the National Lodge how he really talks to the membership.
You don’t lose constitutional rights for having committed a crime, having been convicted, and having served your sentence. Or else they aren’t rights.
11/16/2023 07:02:00 AM
It has been argued that once you've committed certain crimes, you've forfeited those rights, regardless of conviction & sentence serving.
An open carry city.
Cops can't stop you.
You don’t lose constitutional rights for having committed a crime, having been convicted, and having served your sentence. Or else they aren’t rights.
11/16/2023 07:02:00 AM
How do feel about felons voting?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richardson_v._Ramirez#/editor/2
50 year old case law that is going NOWHERE with today's Supreme Court.
OT
please check out this documentary
https://www.thefallofminneapolis.com/?fbclid=IwAR1Bu9QsJWH6_GEZbxv_NaHdB6c0wMJszWwpFvHU3IwY0zYbNL7Q_aR67t8
Who is the m/1 cta sgt on days who wears his pajamas to roll and then calls out all the white officers on what they are wearing. Talk about a clown!
One of this year’s other murder victims was also killed after being punched in the head and falling to the ground. Russ Long, 53, died about two weeks after being attacked outside the Cartier store, 630 North Michigan, on the afternoon of June 29.
A man is awaiting trial on murder charges in that case.
On Monday, a 23-year-old woman was critically injured when a man struck her in the head with a log directly across the street from where Long was attacked. She remained unresponsive with head and brain injuries on Wednesday as prosecutors filed charges in the case.
Are these victims White?
Man dies after ‘flier boy’ punched him in the head outside House of Blues
November 16, 2023 5:48 AM Another man was killed after being attacked and striking his head on the pavement in Wrigleyville in January 2022. Sergio Ontiveros, 51, of Beverly Hills, California, died eight days after the January 17 attack. He was the father of a child with Tamla Robinson, the daughter of Motown singing legend Smokey Robinson.
No one has been charged with Ontiveros’ death.
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Chicago needs to implement a Project Exile law for criminals using firearms in the commission of any crime.
He's a Bill Clinton appointee, look at his case handles on the red light cameras in Chicago and the COVID mandate with the Romanian church on the northside. That should tell you everything about his allegiance and mindset.
Applicable Statute: 18 USC 922 g (8).
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Off-topic: I heard Johnny Boy tried to play Mr. Nice Guy at last night's FOP meeting. Instead of his regular performance of hurling insults, derogatory remarks, and implicit threats towards members, he decided to put on a 'human' act. I bailed on these meetings a year ago as they became less about useful information and more a stage for John and his cult to self-congratulate and suppress dissent. At first, I naively thought maybe John had seen the light, thanks to some soul-searching or an earful from an outsider. But nope, it turns out the big guns from the National FOP were in town. It seems John got a reality check from the National Lodge and is now being tightly reined in, especially after his grandiose threat to splinter off and start his own union sideshow. I bet he was itching to launch into one of his infamous rants, especially with all the chatter about him in the recent SCC Blog post. But alas, he couldn’t risk showing the boys from the National Lodge how he really talks to the membership.
11/16/2023 11:52:00 AM
You must be off your meds again!!!!
Yesterday was the dedication of Lodge 7 as the "John Dineen Lodge 7." John was a bubbly, if that's possible, over the COLA bill and contract. The National and State guys were there yesterday for Dineen. There were meetings before the dedication.
Ask any of the delegates to the National Conference how the National treated Kevin Graham. Graham now has a big "L" tattooed on his forehead. Stands for loser, like his two buddy's 'Moe and Larry!
All by design. It appears destabilization is their ultimate goal. Since 2021 the world has really taken a 180 degree turn at a rapid pace. Be careful out there.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
We are allowing convicted felons to carry now? These are the people that are high on the psychopathic scale and low on the impulse control scale. Great idea “2nd Amendment” absolutist. You’re a moron.
Even an ex-con knows a camel's nose under the tent.
Besides, based on the number of cases, I'd suggest the law is ineffective regardless of its questionable constitutionality and even more questionable intent.
I'm an EVERY AMENDMENT absolutist. I'm rather interested to know why you're not.
Remember, convicted felons do not have to register firearms (per SCOTUS). So, the Illinois PICA law (infringement) does not apply to them.
They carry regardless of the law who gives a flying fuck just assume everyone is packing heat
"The US Attorney General's office immediately appealed the ruling, and Prince was immediately rearrested by Chicago Police on separate charges"
Hopefully the judge will be a victim of thug gun violence
In WA state, they have given voting rights back to felons, and gun rights. An iffy proposition at best, but they do so when they are no longer in permanent lockup. So if and when they are released to a parole officer, they can vote and carry a weapon. In my mind this puts great power into the hands of the government to influence and even pay for the votes the PO wishes. Something like, "let me see your ballot, vote this way and I will overlook this violation." The government is in total control of prisoners, and parolees, until the finish all the terms of their sentence.
Want to keep your guns, get out of Illinois.
Plain and simple. Tenn. is nice.
11/16/2023 11:15:00 AM
Recent retiree here, 24-year CPD. TN is the same shithole as IL, just better weather and quieter libtards. The cities look like any toilet you see anywhere else. Shoulda moved to Arizona or Texas. At least the baseball team would be better.
You don't have to be convicted of a felony to lose Second Amendment rights over a conviction.
If you're charged with a crime that could result in felony sentencing, even if you take a misdemeanor plea or get probation, you are by the Feds thinking a convicted felon.
I guess this is how they are going to ban guns. Everyone has them or no one.
A message to the parents of carjackers, I am a retired member of the CPD if a carjacker attempts to threaten to commit a crime against me, I will use deadly force when safe to do so. You have been warned. If you know they are committing these acts be prepared to bury your loser loved one.
ot: Maybe if they didn't have 17 boards and committees all duplicating the same effort they'd have enough people to staff the thing correctly?
https://chicago.suntimes.com/2023/11/16/23964449/cpd-chicago-police-use-of-force-unit-understaffed-illinois-attorney-general
As for the "consent decree" - got rammed through about 3 seconds before Trump took office, so the whole thing should be flushed as the turd it is...
Anonymous said...
Question I saw in the comments above someone mentioned Martha Stewart being able to possess a weapon here is a question? There is a commercial from our Government reminding us to take that COVID booster W/ all the “stars” showing off their bandaids. But here is the question…….Martha Stewart is holding a Katana sword. Isn’t that a “weapon”??? Can she possess the blade as a convicted felon?? Should she be filmed holding a weapon???? Questions questions but few answers
11/16/2023 11:20:00 AM
Her boy Snoop Dogg no more weed:
https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/9644158/snoop-dogg-announces-hes-giving-up-smoke/
ot: Maybe if they didn't have 17 boards and committees all duplicating the same effort they'd have enough people to staff the thing correctly?
https://chicago.suntimes.com/2023/11/16/23964449/cpd-chicago-police-use-of-force-unit-understaffed-illinois-attorney-general
As for the "consent decree" - got rammed through about 3 seconds before Trump took office, so the whole thing should be flushed as the turd it is...
OT: I wondered how long it would take the Democrats to start suing other companies for things they had nothing to do with... kinda like how they sue gun manufacturers for crimes committed by people they never dealt with....
Gotta get rid of these Soros-DA's...
https://www.wgrz.com/article/tech/science/environment/nys-files-lawsuit-against-pepsico/71-261eaa71-d6a8-4818-8669-3c51808e15d7
Anonymous said...
Off-topic: I heard Johnny Boy tried to play Mr. Nice Guy at last night's FOP meeting. Instead of his regular performance of hurling insults, derogatory remarks, and implicit threats towards members, he decided to put on a 'human' act. I bailed on these meetings a year ago as they became less about useful information and more a stage for John and his cult to self-congratulate and suppress dissent. At first, I naively thought maybe John had seen the light, thanks to some soul-searching or an earful from an outsider. But nope, it turns out the big guns from the National FOP were in town. It seems John got a reality check from the National Lodge and is now being tightly reined in, especially after his grandiose threat to splinter off and start his own union sideshow. I bet he was itching to launch into one of his infamous rants, especially with all the chatter about him in the recent SCC Blog post. But alas, he couldn’t risk showing the boys from the National Lodge how he really talks to the membership.
11/16/2023 11:52:00 AM
100% true. King Kitten was visibly disgusted having to tell the truth about Erin Jones sacrificing months of her family and personal life for the betterment of the membership when we FLOP strategists slated her vs. Martwick. He had to put on an act for the National Boys as they were in the back of the room for the meeting.
Twice he called her by name, saying especially because of her Martwick and other politicos discovered within themselves a newfound respect for the Lodge 7 constituency, which in turn compelled Martwick to champion our COLA pursuit.
The best part? They are all well aware of what a piece of shit he is. Well aware that he and us other board members openly refer to her regularly in derogatory terms. Hell, even transcribed board meeting minutes (you know the ones - the same ones that we voted to restrict YOU the membership from seeing) refer to her as a “demon”. Two faced phony coward motherfucker is who John Catanzara is.
And all of this is gospel, as I sat mere feet away from him, trying to stay awake after stuffing my face on food catered in to celebrate spending $80K of members dues money (thanks again, CHUMPS!) on vinyl window covers to honor John Dineen. Yes, that’s correct…$80,000.00.
But the $80K worth of window stickers made for a great distraction while I consolidated trays of leftovers and snuck them out to my FLOP 7-funded car to take home. I figured I’d give mom a break from preparing my meals for a bit as she has to worry about the Thanksgiving feast. My ‘Happy Place’ is sitting in my recliner in Moms basement in my tighty whities watching MeTv while shoveling leftovers down my throat.
As for the "consent decree" - got rammed through about 3 seconds before Trump took office, so the whole thing should be flushed as the turd it is...
11/16/2023 08:35:00 PM
Completely untrue statement here. Trump was sworn in January 20, 2017. CPD's consent decree was approved in federal Court on January 31, 2019. Note that's two years after Trump was sworn in. I hope your GOCRs are more factual than your blog posts.
Yesterday was the dedication of Lodge 7 as the "John Dineen Lodge 7." John was a bubbly, if that's possible, over the COLA bill and contract. The National and State guys were there yesterday for Dineen. There were meetings before the dedication.
Yeah. Well aware of it. John took credit (again) for things whose foundation were set during previous administrations. All the heavy lifting was already done and J-Kitty and his band of merry nut huggers just so happen to be the ones in office when the city decided to play nice because they need us for the DNC. The FLOP offices could be occupied by bags of dogshit and chicken bones and the contract and cola would’ve been finished. We “won” because they let us win. As a wise old timer once said “I’d rather be lucky than good any day”. your hero Johnny is petrified of the state and national boys ever since he mouthed off about branching off. He’s a good lil lapdog who comes to heel when they tell him to. And 80 large for window wrap??!! Whose family owns the company? Follow the $$$$$.
A message to the parents of carjackers, I am a retired member of the CPD if a carjacker attempts to threaten to commit a crime against me, I will use deadly force when safe to do so. You have been warned. If you know they are committing these acts be prepared to bury your loser loved one.
11/16/2023 06:45:00 PM
Nobody here.
Ditto.
And I won't be quick about it.
$80K on window stickers!!! You blue shirts are gonna bankrupt your union faster than your pensions.
Good ruling from the bench. What do people not understand about “shall not be infringed”?
11/16/2023 09:50:00 PM
When you make up so much BS and go over the top with a valid concern you lose all credibility. Wednesday's general meeting would have been the perfect forum air your concerns in front of both the State and National officers!
But alas all of the malcontents would rather be keyboard warriors.
11/16/2023 01:31:00 PM
Why dont you call him out yourself? Fuck that asshole. Call him out that will shut his fucking mouth
We are allowing convicted felons to carry now? These are the people that are high on the psychopathic scale and low on the impulse control scale. Great idea “2nd Amendment” absolutist. You’re a moron. Lol. Look it up moron. The American Constitution is the supreme law of the land. Typical idiotic Chicago Democrat
I am okay with this if they served their full sentence. A 10 year sentence should be 10 years, day for day, not 4 years. Truth in sentencing needs to be made mandatory.
The judge is establishing a precedent that Hunter Biden can use in his gun case. Chicago judges, the finest judiciary you can buy, state or federal.
I think the intent of this judge was for the legislature to change the law and give a convicted felon an appeal process down the line. Being a felon should not be a lifetime loss of the 2nd Amendment.
The Judge was wrong and misapplied the law
Anonymous Anonymous said...
As for the "consent decree" - got rammed through about 3 seconds before Trump took office, so the whole thing should be flushed as the turd it is...
11/16/2023 08:35:00 PM
Completely untrue statement here. Trump was sworn in January 20, 2017. CPD's consent decree was approved in federal Court on January 31, 2019. Note that's two years after Trump was sworn in. I hope your GOCRs are more factual than your blog posts.
11/16/2023 11:37:00 PM
It's all on Obama (https://www.chicagocontrarian.com/blog/is-obamas-consent-decree-killing-chicago-citizens-and-police), they rammed it through just before Trump came into office... probably some stuff in the archives here about it too.
From that link:
"From the moment the consent decree was first enforced, conservative lawmakers, journalists and public intellectuals sought to alert the general public. Responding to the consent decree looming over Chicago in 2017, Manhattan Institute essayist and policing expert Heather Mac Donald had harsh words for the Obama DOJ’s investigation justifying the decree:
"A week before Inauguration Day, President Obama’s Justice Department released a shoddy report declaring the Chicago police guilty of a pattern of unlawful force. That report lacked the most basic statistical integrity and transparency; it failed to disclose any data that justified its conclusion. The feds recycled fabricated calumnies about the department, such as the outrageous claim that officers in Chicago do not care about solving black-on-black crime. It found police racism through the usual trick of ignoring crime rates."
The consent decree was almost temporarily undermined with the unexpected election of President Trump, whose first attorney general, Jeff Sessions, immediately predicted the dire outcome if it were implemented:
"...These lawsuits [that lead to the consent decrees] undermine the respect for police officers and create an impression that the entire department is not doing its work consistent with fidelity to law and fairness, and we need to be careful before we do that."
Sessions’ words sounded like the end of the consent decree, but Chicago mayor Rahm Emanuel and then-Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan, kowtowing to the increasingly extremist factions of their Democrat Party, implemented the consent decree when the Sessions declined. Sessions’ predictions about undermining respect for police now appear prophetic..."
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