VSWO Grievance Update
It's been a week since we wrote about this (see previous posting here):
A couple of people have reached out to the guy behind it who has done most of the heavy lifting so far.
We promised a couple other example of the disparate "discipline" handed out in violation of the Contract so here are two more (click for larger versions):
- six errors for 60 days suspension:
- six errors for no suspension time:
And once again, the city redacted all of the supervisor names, so it appears these suspensions are being handed out by Officers against Officers. That's a No-No.
Also, there has to be consistency across the board for discipline and it has to be based on the mistake made, not whom is making the error. And the actual Rules have to be contractually agreed upon.
All contact info is in the link up top. There ought to be about 200 Officers contesting these "suspensions" and there ought to be massive payouts.
Labels: contract stuff
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
31 Comments:
Don’t sign up with greed in your heart.
Everyone knows the rules.
Don’t work overtime into overtime.
Again, greed in your heart.
Don’t sign up and then cancel.
That men’s another officer couldn’t work it because you were greedy.
I’ve talked with and worked with the most obnoxious abusers of vswo and am happy they are suspended.
They generally are do nothings....fat, lazy, and mean people.
Is this why Allison Johnson was kicked out of special events and moved over to vice in homan square?
Blame the union in part for not accepting SPAR matrix which I believe would have provided guidelines on such complaints.
Thank you SCC for posting this and keeping this issue on the front burners as this issue literally effects several hundred officers. For those handjobs who claim this is a nonissue because special employment is voluntary and not covered by the contract:
Section 16.2 — Special Employment
B. An Officer's eligibility for special employment is governed by the following terms and conditions:
2. An Officer will be suspended from working a special employment assignment for a period of thirty (30) calendar days if the Officer was scheduled for a special employment assignment and failed to work such assignment without reasonable cause for such absence acceptable to the Employer (e.g., a death in the family, an injury on duty or a change in the Officer's regular duty schedule).
3. An Officer will be suspended from working a special employment assignment for a period of ninety (90) calendar days if the Officer was scheduled for a special employment assignment and failed to work such assignment without advance notice to the Employer of his or her absence (i.e., a "no call/no show").
THIS is all that matters regarding suspensions from Spec Emp. NOT the bullshit made up “guidelines” that some house mice dreamt up. These guidelines mean absolute dick as they were NOT negotiated into the contract. And the fact that every supervisor who put their name on this bullshit, unenforceable policy have had their names redacted come FOIA time is a tacit admission that they know they fucked up. Please continue to keep this fresh. The FOP better run with this one as I’ve never seen a more blatant abuse of rank/authority. Remember people… we’re getting dinged days that add up to several thousand dollars for clerical errors while supervisors have taken less time for shooting an unarmed autistic kid, just for one example.
Please repost original link or tell me who to contact for info to get the ball rolling. I’ll be dropping my grievance as they got me for 90 days. This shit it outta control and all these assholes at special employment need to be bounced from there and CR # obtained. The supervisors involved need to be sued and made to pay out of pocket. This is a no brainer as it’s right there in black and white and they can’t deny it or make excuses. They made up unauthorized rules and hammered people all Willy nilly. Guaranteed they took care of their sorority sisters and frat brothers, buds, partners etc. The commander and Lt must pay the price and their water carriers need to also be held accountable. Well done on exposing this!!
“Also, there has to be consistency across the board for discipline and it has to be based on the mistake made, not whom is making the error. And the actual Rules have to be contractually agreed upon.”
Exactly. 1 - these rules/guidelines were NOT agreed upon. 2 - NOT in the contract (there already is 16.1/16.2 which covers this). 3 - our discipline is PROGRESSIVE per the SPAR matrix (aka less serious transgressions). The infractions as described in their made up in house guidelines would certainly be less serious transgressions. If… IF these guidelines were actually enforceable, signing up for the wrong days would be a verbal reprimand and checked off as “violation noted”. Not an arbitrary decision to hand down a 30 or 60 day suspension. They are drunk with power and this needs to stop now and all involved at SES need to be held accountable and all harmed coppers need to be made whole. And not the 4 hours a day the contract calls for when SES makes an honest mistake. This shit is intentional and the penalty needs to be send a message … full pay for every day people got fucked out of. Let’s go FOP!! This one was served up to you on a silver platter. Time to run with it and send this department a message. Hammer these pricks mercilessly like they did to us with the jab. They need to pay huge.
Good luck.
Like you say, "Police are not above the law, neither are they below the law."
So, when the DNC comes I’ll sign up for too many days and then be disqualified from working OT?sounds like a solid plan we should all do. I’ll bet the rules change when it helps the ‘company’.
Ah man, I hope coppers get paid for this fuck the department like the way my cousin fucked them. My cousin had been fucked with by many (as he calls them STUPIDVISORS) since he got on and the last time a LIEtenant did he fucked the department royally. I guess he bottled up each time he got fucked with and finally let the genie out the bottle. How you wonder? Sorry can't tell, but he did.
Rules for thee and NOT for me attitude on this shitty police dept.!
Clout rules always has and always will no clout your out. Some have the magic call, from desk dollies secretaries with guns to many others.Everyone knows some coppers that really bust their asses trying to help the innocent, and get crapped on in return. There should be a massive payout.
Whoa wait a minute trust fund baby JB signed that bill for illegals to become police effective Jan 2024 maybe they will not complain and take less money is that the trick? Or do they want the illegals to go after the good people and shake them down for cash? What is the end gain here?
Mayor Camel teeth is going to have another breakdown, i see it coming.
They simply cannot get anything right.
And remember… this is just +/- 3 months worth of people who got dinged. There are surely several hundreds more who got fucked. This is going to be epic in terms of payouts for improper/malicious discipline. I’m sure once asked under oath by IAD whether or not they were instructed to play fast and loose with doling out punishment, the minions will give it up rather than Rule 14 themselves. Time to hold the Stupidvisors accountable.
Talk about a smoking gun. I emailed Glen yesterday and was provided with a thorough explanation of how to get my grievance filed as well as a detailed template for the wording. If you got screwed by Special Employment you need to email him if you need help getting started or if your unit rep doesn’t understand the grievance process. Thanks for leading the charge on this Glen. Once again you look out for us little guys and girls by calling out the powers that be who continually treat us like shit.
Never trust the department or supervisors. They aren't your friends. Truth is, they hate the job more than you ever will. And they hate themselves more than you ever will.
ASAP put in a grievance if effected. Example I was suspended for too many personals, because they were marking it as personal when working out of the area/districts, wasn’t awol, then when completed a to/from asking for a reduction. They Doubled the suspension.
This has been the norm for everything on CPD for decades. If you’re connected there’s a whole different set of rules. Everyone knows this. You can get out of almost anything with the right connections. Juicy Smollett almost did until Fox couldn’t hold off the National attention. Remember the Vanenko kid? Daleys relative?
Thank you for the additional posts on this.
@824am. I emailed glen too. When he told me he’s got hundreds of officers suspension records and how tons of them don’t match up for doing the same transgressions I could not picture exactly what he meant. Seeing these is mind blowing how can they justify this??!!!!!! Answer is that they can’t. Did anyone that got suspended get a copy of their sheet becuz I sure didn’t. And I sure as shit don’t see an official CPD report number on these sheets. Which means this is not official which means every officer suspended needs to get back pay for all the days they woulda worked vswo. this needs to be made right immediately.
009 Co was great for this back in his blue shirt days of 202. What a tool you are Curtiss
GPS!!!!!
Anonymous said...
Don’t sign up with greed in your heart.
Everyone knows the rules.
Don’t work overtime into overtime.
Again, greed in your heart.
Don’t sign up and then cancel.
That men’s another officer couldn’t work it because you were greedy.
I’ve talked with and worked with the most obnoxious abusers of vswo and am happy they are suspended.
They generally are do nothings....fat, lazy, and mean people.
12/12/2023 12:05:00 AM
Says the douchebag without enough time on to get the best programs / start times.
That said…
Chronic abusers, scammers and others who try to game the system should be dealt with accordingly. But as stated many times already, our disciplinary process is progressive. Infractions/rule violations need to be met with commensurate consequences.
But first, these rules have to be adopted properly, not created and implemented “in house” - with all involved parties in concurrence as to content, implementation and enforcement… also known as “collective bargaining” to be included in a section of our contract or added as a MOU. And until such system is agreed upon, the current provisions under Section 16.2 of your existing CBA must be honored - simple as that.
There’s likely going to be a gargantuan number of checks cut by Finance when this all shakes out. What’s equally important is that your people at FOP pursue disciplinary proceedings vs. all involved at SES. There needs to be a hard lesson learned.
Blame the union in part for not accepting SPAR matrix which I believe would have provided guidelines on such complaints.
12/12/2023 12:39:00 AM
There is a current SPAR matrix that is used everyday. These aren't SPARs anyway so you have no point.
Fuck that overtime.
12/12/2023 12:05:00 PM
Perfectly said, El-Tee. What I think is absolutely fucking hysterical is that those dumb motherfuckers at Special Employment are so bold to think it wasn’t gonna come around and bite them in their ass at some point. And is it true Johnson was already moved? Wouldn’t surprise me as the white shirt rats always try to take care of their fellow white shirt rats. What about that piece of garbage Stevens? Has she gotten conveniently relocated yet? The officers doing the dirty work at SES are about to get a harsh lesson in CPD reality. Your supervisors are in the process of introducing you to the underside of the bus. Just remember… Under oath, under questioning by the good investigators and internal affairs, it’s best to tell the truth as a sustained Rule 14 will likely result in your termination. This is going to be absolutely entertaining like none other than I’ve seen in a very long time.
i don’t get it. “signed up for wrong days” what does that mean?
Anonymous said...
i don’t get it. “signed up for wrong days” what does that mean?
12/12/2023 07:06:00 PM
It means a simple mistake like clicking the wrong day (non RDO, day outside a furlo segment etc) on a drop down field. Or submitting days for a previous DOG because yours was just changed (like writing 2023 the first few weeks into 2024). Simple mistakes. Clerical errors. With no ill intent. With no prior fuck ups in the previous 6 months. Yet you get hammered with a 2 month suspension while one of Allyson Johnson’s or Jill Stevens peeps get no penalty for the same thing. A 2 month suspension can equal an easy $10K or more hit for some people. See why this shit has to be dealt with? Thanks again for exposing this. Hopefully all who got unfairly suspended are made whole.
" Under oath, under questioning by the good investigators and internal affairs, it’s best to tell the truth as a sustained Rule 14 will likely result in your termination."
During a deposition Tina Skahill once told me that the G.O. were just a " guide line" and could not be used as grounds for termination.....
Anonymous said...
" Under oath, under questioning by the good investigators and internal affairs, it’s best to tell the truth as a sustained Rule 14 will likely result in your termination."
During a deposition Tina Skahill once told me that the G.O. were just a " guide line" and could not be used as grounds for termination.....
12/12/2023 10:56:00 PM
ROFLMAO. Of course GOs are just guidelines… for the connected and clouted. And it’s not the GOs per se, it’s when you lie about how you interpret them, contradicting in statement under oath what you had previously said or put on paper. I assume you didn’t fall for it as that woulda been a whole ‘nother comment.
Alyson Johnson is the worst ! One awol , legitimately sick. Called in late. Suspended. Was told to send in a to from . After sending in the to from she doubled the suspension time to 6 months.
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