City Council to be Stupid Again
The City council is preparing to waste more taxpayer dollars on what everyone agrees is a losing proposition, all because the "progressives" want to screw the police:
A City Council committee on Thursday delivered a symbolic but temporary message underscoring its commitment to police reform and accountability.
Over strenuous objections from the Fraternal Order of Police and its Council allies, the Committee on Workforce Development voted 10-5 to reject an independent arbitrator’s ruling that would allow Chicago police officers accused of the most serious wrongdoing — and recommended for firings or suspensions over one year — to bypass the Police Board in favor of an arbitrator who might be more sympathetic and would hold proceedings behind closed doors.
Blowie is against Officers having arbitration Rights because his commie masters told him he was against it....even though the teachers have something like it to protect the sexual predators in their ranks. The head of the Police Board is against it because it cuts their power by eighty or ninety percent. Same with Anthony Driver Jr who's lucrative commission chairmanship would suffer. Commie tool and U of C "professor" Futterman who makes a living critiquing the police with pretty much zero actual knowledge would lose access to propaganda material. Anjanette Young is just out for revenge.
But some actual smart people opine that it's a losing fight:
Next week’s full Council vote will be harder. It requires a three-fifths vote — 30 members — to defy Benn yet again. And even then, it would only send the matter back to Benn, who has made it clear he would reach the same conclusion.
[...] Under questioning at Thursday’s hearing, Chicago’s veteran labor negotiator Jim Franczek said it would be a “steep hill to climb” for the city to win an FOP court challenge.
Franczek is no friend of the police, being in an adversarial relationship with any Chicago union over the course of his career....but he's not an idiot and is in fact a crafty negotiator. And even he says it's a losing battle.
And Alderwoman Silvana Tabares, one of the few intelligent voices on the council and pro-police advocate says the cops have been (and continue to be) persecuted in violation of State Law:
Ald. Silvana Tabares (23rd), one of the police union’s staunchest Council supporters, said the arbitrator’s ruling is “not a matter of granting a new avenue to police officers” but about “correcting a wrong based on the fact that Chicago has been using a disciplinary process for police officers for years in violation of state law.”
“When the city of Chicago created the Police Board, it did so in violation of the Illinois Labor Relations Act,” she said.
“Every police officer who has had his or her career impacted by a decision by the Chicago Police Board has been subjected to an illegal process set up by the city to impede their rights as a worker just because he or she is a police officer.”
Buy this lady a beer.
Every other worker in the city has a disciplinary process spelled out that allows an independent review of the facts...except the cops, who appear to have about six or seven "oversight" committees, commission, boards and tribunals, with no appeals process for a few of them, meaning you have to sue to get justice, which is ridiculous,
We've said it before, we'll say it again - cops are not above the law, but neither should they be underneath it. We aren't demanding anything that other workers don't already have.
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Any officer who went infront of the police board and fired…. Retain a lawyer immediately upon this being settled. If it end up going to court, which it will, it will eventually end in the FOPs favor. The second that it is decided by a court(could be months or a year) then u need to file suit. You should be able to have your case reopened and re argued to the arbitrator. Or it may just result in getting your job back with back pay. The only thing I fear now is that COPA will be so butt hurt because they can try to fire people all day and they know it won’t happen.. so they will now be lose with termination just to screw with people and make a news story that COPA recommended 100 officers be fired but after arbitration only 2 were terminated. I can see it now..
Anthony Driver has alot of audacity coming to FOP meetings pretending he wants to improve working conditions for members. Unreal, he shouldnt be allowed past the sidewalk at the hall.
Ive said it before Silvana Tabares will run for Mayor next election. Shes a young, smart female Hispanic, reasonably moderate and someone that northwest and southwest residents can support along with key demographics needed to win.
"Franczek is no friend of the police, being in an adversarial relationship with any Chicago union over the course of his career....but he's not an idiot and is in fact a crafty negotiator. And even he says it's a losing battle."
Franczek knows this issue may be an issue that could unite a fairly apathetic union? A fight for everyone's right to due process against the city could be big.
I have to give it to demoRats, they really know how to fuck with the police and thereby fuck over the average citizen that must rely on police protection. And now the police will have even more of a reason to take a hiatus from pro-active police or at least have second thoughts about getting involved. DemoRats are happy to give Labor Rights to every other occupation, yet one of the most marginalized, maligned, and persecuted professional workers in this nation are denied the same Labor Rights in Chicago, a union town, out of spite.
I hope you hire a good lawyer.
The council will likely be THAT Stupid.
What does this mean for Officers who were fired by the Police Board in the past? That they were fired by an unlawful process?
..haha....It'll ...ALWAYS, be....who you know.
maybe,...what you know.
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And you wonder why the recruitment is at the bottom of the barrel
...now,...if their was money moving around in this venture....some type of...city contracts
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Is the new cola agreement compounded or non compounding? Because other unions have compounded while the firefighters cola is non-compounding.
How come the few alderman with common sense never have a voice in decision making?
So they’ve now shown us (again) what they think of us. Show yourself some respect — If you continue to bring in activity, you are a fool.
More Democrat insanity.
These oversight morons will have their day soon.
Will they get security details to protect their sorry commie asses?
The majority of city council consists of grifters. Not all. There's some good Aldermen who care and try. The communists can't even handle the serious issues in their wards, but think they're smart enough to take on international issues. They cheer for terrorists at rallies and ignore the victims of crime in this city. Andre, the former rapper, couldn't even tell a reporter how much was spent on the migrants and he is on the committee that oversees that issue. Rosanna isn't qualified to pick up dog crap, but dumb voters put her in office twice. They should be ashamed. The communist aldermen hate America and Americans, but don't have a problem taking a government paycheck, although, no company would hire them. They lack intelligence and common sense. They despise businesses and haven't a clue that successful and thriving companies make this city strong. These dummies think money grows on trees. As far as damage to this city, The Great Chicago Fire doesn't even compare to what these idiots are doing.
Anonymous said...
Is the new cola agreement compounded or non compounding? Because other unions have compounded while the firefighters cola is non-compounding.
12/10/2023 05:54:00 AM
non-compounding
These pos aldermen are only putting on a show—having testimony about Laquan and Burge, give it a rest already. They know that the police board is filled with police hating political hacks who only do as they’re told when it comes to going after officers. If cops get arbitration then these hacks will no longer be used as clubs by their overlords. Then they cite lack of transparency. Arb ruling would be available upon request via foia. Sad truth is that if police board wasn’t a corrupt group of appointed morons then nobody would be asking for arbitration option.
How come the few alderman with common sense never have a voice in decision making?
12/10/2023 06:06:00 AM
What is this 'alder man' you speak of?
Is supposed to be legislative branch of city governings?
If this is so, why it always doing what mayor say do?
So having voice means so what you say is not what mayor do?
So, mayor do what mayor do, no care what alder man says.
So, voice has no effect.
Mayor job seem to be BOSS job.
Common sense gonna have to be true of Mayor BOSS job one.
Now, not true.
So, no common sense for now times.
Silvana Tabares needs to become mayor.
COLA was never compounding. It’s 3% of your original yearly pension salary every year.
Shooting an unarmed person on the cta for actively resisting arrest after physically being unable to handcuff- 6 month suspension
Shooting an armed assailant once, in an area where gun shots were fired and detected. And immediately rendering aid. -termination.
Has the police board completed implicit bias training?
“I have a dream of a country where they will judge a person not by the color of their skin, but the content of their character”
-Mr King
Franczek has kicked the FOP’s ass for many years in negotiations. He would have been probably too expensive to hire FOR the FOP when LL fired him….but I would have tried. I wouldn’t have gone to BJ and had him rehired against us like JCAT did…..he owns us. Franczek is correct….it is a losing battle for City but this is Cook county…..so anything is possible!
Anonymous said...
So they’ve now shown us (again) what they think of us. Show yourself some respect — If you continue to bring in activity, you are a fool.
12/10/2023 06:41:00 AM
Stop trolling officers who actually do some kind of activity. They have to get blue cards and other stuff to survive, and especially the young ones. Now, get back to your mother’s basement and have a healthy serving of meatloaf. She’s drawing you up a fresh bath because, well, you’re long overdue (you have an unpleasant aroma).
https://chicagocitywire.com/stories/652863745-sickening-conflict-of-interest-for-new-head-of-kim-foxx-s-post-conviction-unit
Can’t believe this hasn’t come up.
Whats Matt O'Shea have to say about the arbitrator?
I have been saying it for years, we need to start creating our own “boards” that review command staff and politicians. We will write nonsense reports, hold votes, and subject our will with no legal justification. Our reports will be blasted all over the internet so anytime anyone googles their name, a damming report will pop up. We just need to think up some great acronyms.
Quit calling them cutsie names like “Progressives “ and “Democrats”. They are full blown Communists bent on destroying America and making it a cesspool of poverty, violence, corruption, and misery, like all the other Countries they’ve destroyed. Expose them all already, for the vermin they are.
COLA is not compounded; COLA raises are based on what your pension is at the time of retirement. This B.S. regarding the Police Board has been litigated in the past. The Board was found by the courts to be legit. Hell, most of the people fired by that board deserved what they got. So, quit the damn whining and just move on.
Did 008 district sgt Franco get his job back? He was a good guy never sand bagged any officers on duty or off. The karma bus came for him.
5:54am given the fact that the firefighters union is most closely linked to us than any other, take a guess genious
Nobody ever got fired for doing nothing.
The city is betting on the 90 year old arbitrator dying of old age and then what?
The cola is simple,not compounded.
3% of the first year annuity which is then added to every subsequent year.
Ex: 60,000 annuity would get 1800 added every year after year 1 until death
Push em back - push 'em back - wayyyy back
Some residents in Portage Park push back on temporary migrant shelter plan – NBC5 (Chicago)
How are you feeling?
Are you "FEELING" like you are the victim of a "hate incident"? I know I am I FEEL like Blowie hates me. Whelp have no fear tho soon we can call 3-1-1 to report it!
See BS news
Chi vs. Hate ordinance would make it easier to report hate incidents, alderwoman says – CBS2 (Chicago)
December 8, 2023
Here is how it would work – those who experience what they feel is a "hate incident" can call 311, use city's 311 the mobile app, or report it online. "We want to make reporting as easy as possible, ensuring that victims and witnesses have a direct line to share their experiences 24/7 and 365 days a year," Ald. Debra Silverstein said.
You wanna talk about losing battles?
My Dickydo gut has now also eclipsed the view of my size 11 clodhoppers.
Q; When you put in a sewer system at a toxic waste base camp site where does the contaminated water go when it rains? When it floods we're talking peoples basements right?
Explain this. Why is the man with the Chicago flag patch on his arm wearing a mask as the bus full of migrants are unloading? DHS checked and vetted all these people at the border they say.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/chicago-mayor-brandon-johnson-s-administration-begins-filing-lawsuits-against-operators-of-rogue-buses-of-migrants/ar-AA1lecFv?cvid=396804ae38804bbcbc7c049cd9a7fddb&ei=15#new_tab
Anonymous said...
I have to give it to demoRats, they really know how to fuck with the police and thereby fuck over the average citizen that must rely on police protection. And now the police will have even more of a reason to take a hiatus from pro-active police or at least have second thoughts about getting involved. DemoRats are happy to give Labor Rights to every other occupation, yet one of the most marginalized, maligned, and persecuted professional workers in this nation are denied the same Labor Rights in Chicago, a union town, out of spite.
12/10/2023 12:55:00 AM
You must be new here, so Congratulations on finally grasping how things work around here. Tomorrow we’ll discuss how water is wet.
J cat fu..d up having Anthony driver at 2 different fop general meetings.
J cat stop trying to befriend the enemy. They get intel to use against us.
I don't care about the police board. My merit sergeant told me I should conduct a traffic stop because I'm the police. So I should act like it. Is he right?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I hope you hire a good lawyer.
The council will likely be THAT Stupid.
12/10/2023 12:59:00 AM
I’m all with you!
But…
Can you afford a good lawyer (and not a hack from the FOP/PBPA) when you’re in the middle of a 30, 60, 180, 365 day hit?
Good lawyers aren’t cheap, and you’re going to have to keep the lights on, and food in the fridge while in a No Pay status.
Don’t bother asking the Union- their answer is “we’re not set up like that.”
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
So they’ve now shown us (again) what they think of us. Show yourself some respect — If you continue to bring in activity, you are a fool.
12/10/2023 06:41:00 AM
Stop trolling officers who actually do some kind of activity. They have to get blue cards and other stuff to survive, and especially the young ones. Now, get back to your mother’s basement and have a healthy serving of meatloaf. She’s drawing you up a fresh bath because, well, you’re long overdue (you have an unpleasant aroma).
12/10/2023 09:48:00 AM
No, you don’t, kid.
All you have to do is JUST your job. That’s it.
Well, that and growing a pair of balls. Because you don’t want to get kicked off “your” car, out of “your” spot when the bosses start fucking with you over activity.
Anonymous J. Backstabvich@541 said...
You wanna talk about losing battles?
My Dickydo gut has now also eclipsed the view of my size 11 clodhoppers.
12/10/2023 02:49:00 PM
Unrequited yearnings are so sad.......
"We want to make reporting as easy as possible, ensuring that victims and witnesses have a direct line to share their experiences 24/7 and 365 days a year," Ald. Debra Silverstein said.
12/10/2023 02:25:00 PM
Translation:
. "We want to make stirring up racial animosity as easy as possible, ensuring that the mindless minions have a direct line to share their hostilities 24/7 and 365 days a year, 'cause that's the way we like it, uh huh, uh huh....." Ald. Debra Silverstein said.
Stop trolling officers who actually do some kind of activity. They have to get blue cards and other stuff to survive, and especially the young ones. Now, get back to your mother’s basement and have a healthy serving of meatloaf. She’s drawing you up a fresh bath because, well, you’re long overdue (you have an unpleasant aroma).
12/10/2023 09:48:00 AM
No, you don’t, kid.
All you have to do is JUST your job. That’s it.
Well, that and growing a pair of balls. Because you don’t want to get kicked off “your” car, out of “your” spot when the bosses start fucking with you over activity.
Exactly! For the ordinary beat car pushing blue shirt there’s no incentive to bring activity in anymore. Your Supervisor WILL write you up should anything go south on any of those self initiated stops. Sylvana Tabares did a phenomenal job highlighting the double standard at the last city hall meeting. There no hiding it the city REALLY REALLY hates you. Cops are treated like second or third class citizens. Should you jam yourself up, BIA will gladly punt your case to COPA as it is less work for them. COPA will recommend termination and the Police Board will fire you. Then you’re standing in the bread line probably not feeling like a hero anymore. Then the special princess is on tinder sliding into your former coworkers DM’s.
So, the illegal Guatemalans and the illegal Ecuadorians don't want the illegal Venezuelans??
Anonymous said...
Push em back - push 'em back - wayyyy back
Some residents in Portage Park push back on temporary migrant shelter plan – NBC5 (Chicago)
12/10/2023 02:18:00 PM
The Committee has spoken and soon the Council of Corruptors will vote with the same outcome. Really no surprises here. We lack the unity and strength of numbers; and the will to make our position to be taken seriously. Coupled with that you have the inability of the FOP to energizes itself and be a driver for its members.
Do nothing more than the basic job requirements. Your reports should be complete and thorough regardless of time. Do your job in a deliberate and careful manner. Take no chances for mistakes and mishaps as the Kangaroo Courts and other corrupt Boards and Committees are waiting to disparage your actions, embarrass you, punish you, demoralized your and fire you.
Fools provide their adversaries the opportunity to hurt them. Don't be a fool unless you chose too.
Here is how it would work – those who experience what they feel is a "hate incident" can call 311, use city's 311 the mobile app, or report it online. "We want to make reporting as easy as possible, ensuring that victims and witnesses have a direct line to share their experiences 24/7 and 365 days a year," Ald. Debra Silverstein said.
12/10/2023 02:25:00 PM
And the reports won't be verified by anybody so any group can pump their stats.
Ive said it before Silvana Tabares will run for Mayor next election. Shes a young, smart female Hispanic, reasonably moderate and someone that northwest and southwest residents can support along with key demographics needed to win.
Best idea I’ve heard in a long time.
This B.S. regarding the Police Board has been litigated in the past. The Board was found by the courts to be legit. Hell, most of the people fired by that board deserved what they got. So, quit the damn whining and just move on.
This was never litigated in the courts. Also, if you have enough time on you could remember suspension time given was never this ridiculous. If they were moving to fire some one they would give them 30 pending, not 180 or 365 days at a time. Copa is violating so many regulations and contract agreements. The 30 pending would stay in affect so the family of the copper they were attempting to fire wouldn't lose the medical. If you take a suspension more than 90 days, you lose your insurance at the 91st day. This puts a major burden on the spouse and kids as well as the copper they are attempting to fire. Also, you are very wrong on most of the people the board fired deserved it, you're not even close. Since Emmanuel got into office many good people have been sand bagged for political reasons only. It became even worse when Lightfoot was on the police board and even worse when lightfoot was mayor. So, you are very wrong on your comments about the police board. I'm gonna guess you are not the police, you are a troll looking to start bs.
they’ve now shown us (again) what they think of us. Show yourself some respect — If you continue to bring in activity, you are a fool.
12/10/2023 06:41:00 AM
Stop trolling officers who actually do some kind of activity. They have to get blue cards and other stuff to survive, and especially the young ones. Now, get back to your mother’s basement and have a healthy serving of meatloaf. She’s drawing you up a fresh bath because, well, you’re long overdue (you have an unpleasant aroma).
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Actually, I have my own paid for house, thanks; although I do love a meat loaf. The “young ones” need to learn to live within their means. All the blue cards in the world won’t help they are getting fucked by management.
Shouldn’t the FOP be filing a class action lawsuit, they have names of all those wrongly affected? Wait it is the FLOP I am talking about they probably weeny paying attention to each case to busy planning next pizza gig or golf outing. Decertify the FOP they have sold you down the river for years and years. Not a Union but a cash cow for those managing it.
Ive said it before Silvana Tabares will run for Mayor next election. Shes a young, smart female Hispanic, reasonably moderate and someone that northwest and southwest residents can support along with key demographics needed to win.
Best idea I’ve heard in a long time.
12/11/2023 12:19:00 AM
Provide for and Protect Family.
Essence values of many.
That is the test of true MAGA.
The impeding factor on this is the insistent rivalry between nationals from the many nations most all spanish speaking citizens have as their ancestory.
The obsolete labels of politicians, used to group and divide the voters, each from the other, are due for deletion.
Provide for Family.
Protect Family.
Reject obsolete politician manipulations.
There is only one demographic: Family.
Has city hall voted and approved our new contract extension or not yet?
The civilian boards and commissions set in motion by Lightfoot are staffed with many anti police zealots who now think they are experts on law enforcment.
Well...you always heard the FOP reps saying that the arbitrators ruling in "binding", no matter what city council says. Now we are going to see if that holds any merit
Ald. Tabares not has the guts to speak the truth but, she has has the intelligence and courage to say what is true and what is right.
Now would be the perfect time for her to distance herself to run for Mayor of Chiraq and begin to make Chicago Great Again! I haven't seen a woman so brave as her (in Chicago and not on the job) in a long time. No offense women. Hats off to you Ald. Tabares. If she chooses to run she will have me and my wife's support and votes. Time to turn the Titanic around.
Wait a sec. Isnt arbitration binding? The city gonna cry now because they dont respect the arbitrator's decision?
Stop playing with these communist fucks. Start suing them in Federal Court. Writs of Mandamus to force them to do what the BINDING ARBITRATOR told them to do. You engage in binding arbitration and don't like what the Arbitrator chose? LOL, Fuck you, tough shit.
Then because they have a record of pulling this kind of stunt, sue them for violating your civil rights. And file the suit personally and professionally. Use everything they've ever said on social media, in public, etc. against them.
They do it to the cops, do it back only 100x more. Just like the uncapones on the street, the Capones in the government only understand pain. Gotta give them the good ole green (as in money) shampoo.
Hats off to you Ald. Tabares. If she chooses to run she will have me and my wife's support and votes. Time to turn the Titanic around.
12/11/2023 08:17:00 PM
Are there any other Hispanic aldermen/women who both not flaming progressives, not weasles, not slicksters and not so full of their ego tripping macho/macha bull/cow shit to be trusted to form a force to be reckoned with on this?
Or does she stand alone, as in opposed by every other political putz here, the abundance of which is legendary?
Tabares.
Hahaha. You all act like if she runs your votes matter. You people (or folks) still don’t get it? Still? It’s a stage. It’s all scripted.
Who the Machine Wants the Machine Gets.
It’s that simple.
If she runs she will be ordered to. It has to appear authentic. It has to appear real. Like the WWE. It almost looks real but it’s scripted with a pre-destined outcome.
Say it with me…….
It’s all Kabuki Theater. It’s all the Truman Show.
It’s all Kabuki Theater. It’s all the Truman Show.
12/13/2023 12:53:00 PM
And your roll in this?
Do you at least get paid per diem?
12/13/2023 12:53:00 PM
And your roll in this?
Do you at least get paid per diem?
To tell you all to stop whining about voting and democrats. Understand they aren’t incompetent their policies aren’t stupid it’s all done on purpose they have handlers that go deeper than the deep state.
To tell you all to stop whining about voting and democrats. Understand they aren’t incompetent their policies aren’t stupid it’s all done on purpose they have handlers that go deeper than the deep state.
12/14/2023 01:47:00 AM
And then?
And
Then
What?
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