A Lot to Unpack Here
Someone posted this in the comments section and there's a lot of info here. Quite a bit of it is actually in sync with things we're seeing and hearing:
- OT:city a while back paid many millions of $ for a study to determine positions that could be civilianized and results came back. this has been done before, but its usually something the supt asks for and then buries quietly so as not to upset the hundreds of useless females trotting around HQ doing jack all day. this time is different. and make no mistake, Snelling was brought in to transform the department into what the consent decree mandates it should be, and these changes will come- some faster than others. here's some examples;
some BIA investigators and case review people, filing, non-essential stuff.
training staff at the academy for some non-critical classes, curriculum development, etc.
timekeepers (eventually every one of them will be a civilian)
admin assistants and secretaries going civilian (except for admin SGT's)
expansion of front desk, lockup and radio room to all civilian (except for bond desk) & not allowed to staff those spots w/ sworn
other HQ places like legal affairs, risk, graphic arts, compstat, audit, R&D, tech, etc.
and.... detectives
d-unit is the big surprise because a lot of other properly-functioning agencies use investigative aides in assisting detectives with clerical stuff, criminal analysis, review, etc. one of the downsides of giving 1,100+ detectives many thousand dollar raises is it costs city hall millions more per year to staff the d-unit- plus OT... why hire more detectives, when you can hire 100 civilians (a lot of them being retired detectives) to help them do their job at 30-50k less per year.
The politicians have wanted to go this way for a long time. And we remember specifically the "efficiency experts" coming in for couple of weeks back in the early 2000s. One week was all Front Office stuff and the other was operations. We thought for sure they were going to gut the admin staff at the District level, but it never seemed to get off the ground.
We're thinking with the increasingly bad manpower shortages, this is going to force their hand at some point to get sworn personnel on the street (see below).
(and yes, we're aware of contractual bid spots. we're also aware of the city violating the contract at least three-thousand times over the course of our careers)
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
136 Comments:
Yawn, rinse and repeat. Same shit, nothing changes. They clear house but they never really clear house. Everything reverts. That is all.
The real reason they're doing this is that manpower has dwindled so badly, and the city is unable to replace those who've left because few qualified candidates want the job.
This is out of desperation.
On a related note:
How blue cities are making crime illegal again
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/how-blue-cities-are-making-crime-illegal-again/ar-BB1kuOva
Efficiency experts? Reminds me of the 2 Bobs from the movie Office Space.
Bob 1: There's a few more people we can easily lose.
Bob 2: Then there's (insert staff position here). Yeah, she's useless.
Lumbergh: Gone.
Finally. Tired of seeing the side pieces of the bosses at HEADquarters or playing house mouse avoiding the work. Don’t want to be the police shouldn’t have applied to become one. Equality, right?
Never going to happen. Way too many house mouses squirrel away inside citywide. Every few years this shit pops up. 75% of us are on the outside looking in. It’s just the way it is and will never change. Accept it. Never!
I work the desk and I definitely think a civilian can do my job. However this will take years to implement. I find it difficult this will get anywhere. Can't hire enough people as it is. Retaining the people they do hire will be another story.
It was exactly 1 year ago today; 26 March 2023 that the city held a "job fair" at FOP for retired coppers to let them know of these changes coming.
Nothing moves fast in this city other than the criminals and politicians robbing you.
31 Investigator spots open at IAD.
26 Timekeeper spots. Plus others.
Check out:
https://chicago.taleo.net/careersection/100/jobsearch.ftl?lang=en
No reason you need sworn police in the sdsc room. Start there.
Is it naive to not presume that 'civilians' = not any somebody that nobody sent?
I’m in a specialized unit that can’t be civilianized. And I’ve got hellafide seniority. Best of both worlds. So the glorified gym instructor-made-Stupidintendent can suck it. I’m a necessary evil and I’ll be killing it with as much OT as I want for as long as I want. Quoting MC Hammer… “can’t touch this”.
If the real goal is to get the department down to 7000 sworn then this will definitely become a reality.
“…hundreds of useless females trotting around HQ doing jack all day.”
AKA “Her•Story” 365 days a year (366 in a Leap Year) here on the CPD.
Tell me I’m wrong…
This job has gotten so ridiculous that I’m pretty sure NO ONE wants to work the streets anymore. 20 and out is closing in rapidly for me. Have an exit strategy and use it.
Oh boy,this is going to be great. !
I have read the comments here for years about people who have non patrol car jobs or inside jobs. Most of the comments appear to be jealous in nature or someone that does not like a certain person. During my time on the job which is just under the 40 year mark I have worked all over the City in Districts and Units, some in the D and OCD and various levels of supervision. Some here call for the sworn to be replaced by civilians. Be careful what for what you are asking for. I would rather deal with sworn even if some of them can be a headache at times, it is easier to deal with them in the disciplinary process.
The civilians are always sent by “somebody” and they are harder to deal with in many ways, one of them being they feel they are being slighted if doing a similar job as sworn because they are getting paid less. And they know they are not the police. The civilization of the job has been going on in bits and pieces for decades. I have seen where they have brought civilians in to replace sworn so they could be put out in the street only to have the sworn brought back in because the civilian could not grasp the job. I have seen it happen in a few places. And they don’t get rid of the civilian!
Another thought is when one gets so burned out or gets older those jobs can be a welcome relief or one may have to leave before they want to. I most definitely realize that you have no control over this. The job has changed so much with everybody telling police officers on how to do this job when they never did a police officer’s job. I know some think you can supervise subordinates even if you never had that job yourself. It may work in theory but one needs to go out with the subordinates and do some of their work so you learn what they are experiencing but not to be one of the guys or gals to be a buddy. The goal is to manage, supervise, learn and support your people. I was just going to comment on civilization but from people still on the job who tell me what’s going on, it is frightening that so much has been lost due to what I believe is politicalization of the Department. Take care of each other as that is the most important thing you can do, and that is one of the reasons I believe civilization is not a good route. During these changing and perilous times take your time, think and stay safe.
Sounds good but civilians never have the same work ethics. Also the people they hire can’t even write a To/From Subject Report. Death spiral continues. I don’t doubt they will try it. It’s as if dumb and dumber have control of the city.
Question, so will civilians also signout ta$ers. Sh0tguns & carl3ines to ofc's? Since they'll be do radi0's
Good! There should not be a single detective answering the phone just to say, "you got nothing kid." There should not be a single p.o. at the academy teaching any classroom based curriculum. IUU, IDENT,and the rest of the pin cushion spots that pregnant chicks go to, then stay at until the kid is damn near out of college. The sworn p.o.'s taking ID photos. I think that I may have just solved out shortage problem!
So does this mean the IAD boys and girls won’t be able to milk the shit out of OT anymore? Replace those useless hacks top to bottom.
I was thinking I could use a secretary
I say BULLSHIT.
I'll believe it when I see it.
Everytime I go into headquarters it ALWAYS seems like a wasteland where I seem to expect tumbleweeds to be rolling down the hallways, so depressing. With that said, clear all the kids out who only took this job to hide inside for a check and get their asses on the street, SINK OR SWIM!
So there is a NOJO out for civilians for, IAD investigators. Isn’t that what COPA is?
Snelling is a yes man. Snelling was a gym instructor for most of his career. The only reason why the city would make these drastic changes is because of the incredible amount of manpower shortage + we can't even recruit people to take this job even though we have a dedicated full time recruitment team. So don't give too much credit to Snelling. He isn't some transformational leader.
CPD offered an entrance exam last weekend. Does anyone know how many people applied?
How many officers are set to retire this year? God help us! We need more people to apply. To the stupid dumb fucks that will say "let the city burn"- we need more officers so they can pay in to our pension. You do want your pension right?
There's soooooooo many spots in this department that could be done by a 5 year old. We usually have 3 people on the desk and a civilian. We'll have 2 PO's in the SDSC and another watch sec. ALL of these spots could be done by civilians. CPD has a ton of hiding spots. HQ should be 70% civilian.
They are looking at fire side "The bureau" where many full duty firefighters could easily transition to doing the job,and not only that the may see 12 hour shifts next contract. When they decided to give up paramedic certification and be fire fighters only many noticed as now overtime is high be careful what you ask for. As far as CPD we have hundreds of secretaries with guns,and some even have take home police vehicles to cart their pathetic asses around.Then we have the ever expanding desk crews, plus you mention the d-unit the old "We will solve no crime until overtime" mantra is coming into the "chickens coming home to roost." They will be on the street back in uniforms to bolster police manpower as it should be. So office dollies, commanders pets get ready to "be the police," we need you out here! Just keep paying into the pension fund with the dnc coming up wee need the people, the office dollies you are good at fetching coffee ad grub,and the detectives can advise on discounts see you soon!
How about a study on how Chicago could survive with just 25 aldermen???? Thereby saving millions of tax dollars.. How about a study on getting rid of all the civilian oversight committees, groups, and agencies that complain about everything the police do???
Eliminate CAPS too.
Far too many officers involved. Years ago, 025 had maybe 2 officers. Now they have over a dozen.
This is how you defund the police, hire civilians who can’t pay into the FOP, and defund the FOP.
I doubt they will wind up on the street
No sympathy. House mice, desk crew. Making $100,000 a year. Fuck them. Go out and be the police.
They will find a way to make those bid spots disappear.
The City and Command Staff of CPD can try and do this all they want. The desk dollies/side pieces/do nothings/cowards/and house mouses will hit the medical and eventually come back light duty. The are not gong to work the street. I've never seen so many women who seem to have nothing wrong with them other than not belonging on this job be so useless. HQ and every other inside spot is already loaded with LD Officers. These mostly female officers somehow workout on lunch and shoot just fine but can't seem to be healthy enough to work the streets. The bosses caused this. When I started over 25 years ago the desk was almost exclusively filled with old timers riding out their last few years. The way it should be. The front office was the same. Now the front office is full of women having less than 10 years on the job and a huge chunk less than 5 years. What happened????
The truth is most of these ideas are common sense. The only problem you have with civilians doing all the admin work is you can get an entrenched Bureaucracy like Washington DC. The elected officials don't really run anything. When an agent of change comes in to cut waste the entrenched bureaucrats just wait them out.
Are they going to retread the "every one must work the street" at least one week a month?
The last time they tried that all that happened was now we had a civilian working with us. No sworn left. So silly.
"No reason you need sworn police in the sdsc room. Start there"
Those rooms were always meant to be staffed by civilian analysts.
City was unable to hire enough civilians to staff them.
Perhaps a robust rehire the retired sworn push will make it a reality--but they will have to change the job requirement from degree holder to degree or experience.
I don’t think this will happen. Look what Larry did when he first came in we had 90 retired coppers with a lot of experience teaching constitutional policing the coppers the children that were working there that are active CPD did not like it. They wanted their friends to come in there to get the easy money, so what did Larry do? He terminated the contract along with Fred where is Fred by the way, drawing that big salary if they get rid of all those people all of us, hard-working coppers with experience and brought in the youngsters who are having nothing but problems because they are clueless. What do they talk about their best? Do you why stop? Time for all the secretaries with guns to be dumped to the streets we need them bad desperately there’s probably well over 1000 as a matter fact let’s cut Brandon‘s detail also 150 coppers that’s ridiculous. Let them have five security guards , that would really help let’s put on St. What about the airports they have aviation security they have Chicago police put the police back on the street with the aviation security handle it unless something happens. They could have a couple patrol cars driving around the area to respond.
Never going to happen. Way too many house mouses squirrel away inside citywide. Every few years this shit pops up. 75% of us are on the outside looking in. It’s just the way it is and will never change. Accept it. Never!
3/26/2024 12:28:00 AM
This is why officers need to request an iod report following any hands on incident involving a trr report. When I had 10 years on and saw PPO’s working desk it used to piss me off. Not anymore, I just gets mines everytime.
Great part time jobs for retirees. Able bodies should finally be on the streets.
How can a normal detective be not sworn? They interrogate, put cuffs on offenders, use physical force, and have positions of trust.
Joke detectives process paperwork and perform data searches.
Most detectives spend time in both worlds.
It can’t work......but they’ll try and city will be worse off.
Meanwhile, one of the useless 50 Aldercreeps says, "I’m very supportive of Mayor Johnson and his approach to providing opportunities and resources to our youth,” Taliaferro said. “I think he’s placed a lot of emphasis on youth employment and youth engagement, and I applaud him for that and making that a part of his 2024 budget is a win for our city.” Just wait until summer, I'm certain the yutes within a certain demographic will perform just as expected.
And speaking of waste, How many on the security detail of He/Him/It BLM BJ?
If you look at the city site for hiring, Taleo, you will see 80,000 for a civilian IAD investigator.
Question, so will civilians also signout ta$ers. Sh0tguns & carl3ines to ofc's? Since they'll be do radi0's
3/26/2024 03:32:00 AM
Are you attempting to unnecessarily censor yourself or are you having a stroke?
R&Ds purpose is to move policy through the review and approval process, they are not a thinktank group formulating policy. Policy comes from City Hall, AG, etc and R&D just pushes the paper. No need for sworn, I’m surprised they haven’t been completely replaced.
The house mice will just put out more and this all goes away. Run on knee pads and rubbers at local pharmacies
Have you ever worked with civilians in any of these spots ? I have. I can count maybe 5 that were capable. The rest got the job cause they knew someone and they were completely worthless.
Lots of cigarette breaks outside of HQ, personal calls, long lunches and doing work at the speed of a snail. Always always taking their allotted sick days each month.
Granted some officers inside are worthless( maybe that spot can probably be eliminated ) but having all civilians would be a disaster.
Easy answer! Two tier pay scale! Officers that work the street should be paid at a higher rate than the side pieces, butt lickers, and inside clerks.
Easy answer! Two tier pay scale! Officers that work the street should be paid at a higher rate than the side pieces, butt lickers, and inside clerks.
I say BULLSHIT.
I'll believe it when I see it
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Wake up and go to:
https://chicago.taleo.net/careersection/100/jobsearch.ftl?lang=en
26 March 1990
Class 90-1
Anyone from 90-1 here still on the job?
If they civiliaize the Training Division who will teach the "Academy Dip"?
"Anonymous said...
If the real goal is to get the department down to 7000 sworn then this will definitely become a reality.
3/26/2024 02:06:00 AM"
That appears to be the case.
I get the frustration over the house mice being taken care of and not having to put in nearly the same effort for the same reward. I think those spots should be given to those nearing retirement. No one with under 20 years on or a legitimate limiting disability should be inside. But I for one don’t want this department flooded with civilians with connections to God knows who and access to our personal information. It’s bad enough that they don’t thoroughly background check the people cleaning the offices!
"Anonymous said...
This is how you defund the police, hire civilians who can’t pay into the FOP, and defund the FOP.
3/26/2024 07:18:00 AM"
This is how you defund the pension!
It's an intended consequence.
Fixed it for ya.
Lol. Keep dreaming. The CPD is far too corrupt to enact efficiency reforms. This department is built upon nepotism and cronyism.
SDSC room is useless..all they do is walk around and bullshit with everyone in the lobby or hallway. They carry around a radio if they leave the room like they are someone fucking special. Going in there several times, I've seen the officers on the internet shopping, picking out vacation spots, new car searches, gun/ammo searches, and then switching the big wall monitors to football/baseball games!!! City time and money well spent on these scared of the street goofs.
I was a police cadet starting in 1965. I was 18 yrs old and found myself working as the “assistant to the desk sergeant” in the old 019th district, Town Hall. Cadets were new and there was some resentment among the real police however after a fairly short time I/we were accepted because we were full of vinegar and could do all the jobs nobody else wanted to do. We could type and were always being used to type reports for the sergeants. School crossings, review office, did the A&A sheets, the station gofer. Worked the lockup, even tho that wasn’t allowed, but the lockup guys loved it. We took reports and when a traffic plan was in effect we did accident reports and wrote citations from some officers ticket book. Yeah, crazy indeed, but the desk crew and review office loved it, so did many of the beat cops who needed a report typed and we did it. Speaking for myself I was accepted by the watch I was on and invited to the change parties of yore. 18 yrs old, playing cards and having a beer with the troops, amazing! The police cadet program was very successful and then the federal government got involved and wanted to provide jobs through one of their goofy programs and it kinda went to crap. For several years the cadets were a very positive position in the CPD and many future bosses were former cadets including a Superintendent. As a bonus when going through the academy, O’Brien St days, there was an accelerated program for an all cadet class because most of us knew what the job was and were very familiar with how it worked, the good and the bad. 33yrs later I was fortunate to retire and can still remember the cadet days even now.
Um there's plenty of useless males at HQ working desk jobs and in the parking lot. One specifically recently telling a retiree to park on the street may the useless M2 get dumped to the street and get treated the same way when he retires!
Whew! Thank goodness my spot at the typewriter repair section is safe. I left the dog chip scanner section to gain more experience.
End the residency requirement.
A lot of useless males at HQ too.
HQ full of $120k a year clerical house mouses and "light" duty and useless scammers at the guard shack, which my 3 year old could do a better job at. Nothing will ever change so as long as you hire women who want desk spots out of the academy, nerds who are afraid of their own shadows, scammers who are cry babies.
They have difficulty hiring 10 civilians let alone an amount that would make this an effective alternative to the shortage. Good luck
One day last week we had 11 people in training and 12 on the medical .
They let 8 people work their day off and we were still short a beat car.
Conehead is gonna end up in the hospital again when he sees the OT bill
don’t think this will happen. Look what Larry did when he first came in we had 90 retired coppers with a lot of experience teaching constitutional policing the coppers the children that were working there that are active CPD did not like it. They wanted their friends to come in there to get the easy money, so what did Larry do? He terminated the contract along with Fred where is Fred by the way, drawing that big salary if they get rid of all those people all of us, hard-working coppers with experience and brought in the youngsters who are having nothing but problems because they are clueless. What do they talk about their best? Do you why stop? Time for all the secretaries with guns to be dumped to the streets we need them bad desperately there’s probably well over 1000 as a matter fact let’s cut Brandon‘s detail also 150 coppers that’s ridiculous. Let them have five security guards , that would really help let’s put on St. What about the airports they have aviation security they have Chicago police put the police back on the street with the aviation security handle it unless something happens. They could have a couple patrol cars driving around the area to respond.
3/26/2024 08:04:00 AM
I got a headache reading your post
They can put civilians for all spots at 376.
If they finally go through with these changes the city will save a lot of money because a good majority of these "officers" will quit. So these moves won't do much for numbers on the street but the numbers on the balance sheets will definitely go up. I would only feel bad for the officers who actually did a career on the streets and finally took an inside spot. That's the type of officer who should have been there in the first place not the scared career house mice.
If the city makes the District secretary spot a civilian, who is the commander going to sleep with? Make sure the male is civilian. The rest of this stuff we have all heard before, many times and it never happens. Pardon me if I am a skeptic. I have seen commanders violate the policies over and over without any consequences.
Anonymous said...
So there is a NOJO out for civilians for, IAD investigators. Isn’t that what COPA is?
3/26/2024 06:17:00 AM
This move just might be the opening shot into eventually eliminating the IAD by merging them into COPA and turning over every investigation to COPA. Just my thoughts on this.
nonymous said...
If the real goal is to get the department down to 7000 sworn then this will definitely become a reality.
3/26/2024 02:06:00 AM
Maybe. Los Angeles Police have around 9000 sworn with a city much bigger then Chicago. But, they have a very active and effective County Sheriff department, neither of which is the Cook County Sheriff's police which is patronage and inefficiency personified, not to mention corruption.
OT- NYPD officer shot and killed during traffic stop. Turns out the offender has 21 prior arrests and multiple gun arrests. Officer was part of a "Community Response Team" with only three years on. This reminded me of the incident with Ella French. These "Community Teams" always pushing for traffic stops to fluff up their comp stat numbers should be ashamed.
agree with all of the suggestions, let free up more police officers.
civilian court officers, civilian drivers for street deputies, private security for all politicians, buildings,(city hall,homan square, public safety building. If private security can keep OEMC safe then the private security can keep other facilities safe.
Firefighters on 12 hour shifts is a good idea. It's also a safety issue. Many injuries , deaths of firefighters occur when awaken from a sound sleep. 12 hour days is the way to go. also cut the amount of supervisors, no need for Lt.Captain rank. eliminate Captain rank.
Hire part time firefighters without full benefits like many suburbs do. Many suburban firefighters, volunteer firefighters would work for CFD one 12 hour shift per week. Civilianize the non firefighting units, inspections,firesafety.
Crime Lab and Detective division could also replace many sworn positions with civilians at less money.
Time to cut the fat, get those beat, tactical units filled. Tactical units should be on patrol 24/7.
Get rid of CAPS. 2 year wonders working it. What a joke
don't worry command staff will hire hot civilians as side chicks.
it'll save Cpd money
Dump the house mice and get it over already.12 hour days. Dump CAPS,DCO , headquarters and only staff certian teams at Homan Square. Tac and mission teams for those who want to work. Beat cars need to be fully staffed call it a day. Those complaining just answer your jobs.
you can only get a car washed so many times a day....
trump bond was dropped to 175 mil. not a big win but a win
how come nobody seizes Letitia James cousins assets you know the ones that sell dope in nyc
rules for thee and not for me
The job wants old people out. Get use to it.
Another thought is when one gets so burned out or gets older those jobs can be a welcome relief or one may have to leave before they want to. I most definitely realize that you have no control over this...
Watched the video of the carnage in Moscow done by a handful of maniacs in an arena with only 6,000 people. Moscow is one of the most paranoid and locked down cities WITH a heads up which should horrify any Americans. With 0 border security in Az and Texas we could have allowed upwards of 20-30,000 of those very hardcore psychos here to target soft targets like 40,000 drunk Cub fans or Yankee fans. Even worse with 100,000 wasted kids at Lollapalooza and no real hardened perimeter how can we possibly protect them? Hopefully the test case will be a major incident at the architects of this mayhem at the DNC to shock us back into a post 9/11 mentality. I know I’m not taking a bullet for any Dem.
"So there is a NOJO out for civilians for, IAD investigators. Isn’t that what COPA is?"
COPA does not work in Internal Affairs. Hence the word "Internal". COPA works in external affairs.
The only beats stacked are the front desk and SDSC.
Beat cars can be down or 99 but SDSC has to be 2-3 mice deep while the front desk has to be 4-5 mice deep and the WOL allows it.
Too many useless women and feminist men scared of the streets.
Would the 67 teams be disbanded?
Good! To many officers spending their entire careers being house mouses…put them all in beat cars.
FOP should investigate how many cpd sworn police officers are assigned to clerical,administartive duties, bodyguards,performing building ,parking lot security, passing out radios, community policing, records division?????
never going to happen. this is chicago and it always will be these way.
Be careful what you wish for...the civilians at the front desks are lazier than the coppers. Many are also police-haters and rude to the citizens that come in for a report. Their behavior and attitude reflects badly on the CPD. Civilians also can never be denied time off so there is always a skeleton crew on busy summer weekends anyway. At least now the district stations provide some type of refuge for beat coppers to come in to do a report or take a break. Fill the stations with civilians and they make it their office and home. The district stations will be transformed, for all intents and purposes, to the DMV or public schools.
(OT) This democratic shit everywhere out-of-control totally out of control pure evil look at this on Easter of all days:
Virginia county declares Transgender Day of Visibility on Easter this year
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/virginia-county-declares-trans-visibility-day-easter
* honoring the crazies on this day on Easter of all days. No wonder why God has taken his hand off of the United States of America. Look at everything going on you don’t have to be a biblical scholar to see everything from the lawlessness, to the anti-police banter, even being taught in schools, to the schools that are trans friendly, telling the children it’s OK if you’re a boy, you can be a girl if you’re a girl, you can be a boy, so much going on it gets harder and harder every day to survive in this evil democratic demonic controlled country
3/26/2024 08:04:00 AM
Perhaps cut back on the energy drinks or coffee, take a deep breath
and relax, gather your thoughts, then start furiously typing.
Many of these posts remind me of reading case reports when I was
a dic.
There was a HQ purge not too long after under the DB regime...it didn't take long for the cycle to circle back.
Tide goes out, tide comes back in.
Just another fruit for though, how many Supervisors do you REALLY need in HQ...
It seems to me that some of these districts are "always short" no matter how many PO or SGT they send there, and yet the union will tell you that the rank size is only a certain number short.
3/26/2024 08:04:00 AM
I got a headache reading your post
3/26/2024 10:44:00 AM
Don’t want to dump on you alone, but can people in general double check what they write before posting? Try to make it understandable . Just pause , read it, and clean it up before submitting. I agree with the headache part. And I think there were a few others in this thread that I couldn’t make sense of after reading a couple of times.
Some people might not be capable of writing a coherent readable post so we cant do much about that. But I think a lot of times it’s just being in a hurry and/or lazy. Especially if we’re using a phone or tablet instead of a real keyboard. I’ve been guilty of that and am making a conscious effort to follow my own advice.
And I’m not talking about perfect grammar, I’m sure somebody will find fault with that in my post. Just make it understandable.
Yea, civilianization of the police department is just what you need!!! Less coppers, less money paid into the pension funds. And think of how many people would be paying in if you were up to full strength. And who will they replace the coppers with? Why it will be Democrat patronage workers of course! Coppers are of no value to the Democrat Machine, because you don’t get out the vote and you don’t donate to the Machine. For some beefing about what others are doing or what kind of jobs they are assigned to just remember that they are paying into the pension, civilians won’t be. Wake up.
Come on over to unit 191! The waters warm and the weather is great, And the lease cars are comfy!!!! Oh yeah , days , weekends off and gas is free!!!
There was a HQ purge not too long after under the DB regime...it didn't take long for the cycle to circle back.
Officer Friendly in my district was temporarily assigned to HQ due to unforeseen pregnancy. Officer Friendly spends 2 years hiding out at HQ(longest pregnancy ever record).
Anyways, during the (purge) you’re referring to she gets dumped back to the watch. She lasted 2 full days on the watch made a phone call and lands back on her feet at HQ... She wasn’t pregnant the second time just made the right friends while at HQ.
Moral of this story is: don’t do anything for the department. Utilize your benefits whenever you feel like it. Officer Friendly could not complete a misdemeanor arrest if her life depended on it. And officer Friendly is compensated exactly the same for her time to perform 99% less than you.
https://www.facebook.com/share/C841YREHNU2Y2fjS/?mibextid=WC7FNe
Maybe after Chief Talley retire.
So this patronage army from the socialist caucus of the city council ,will they speak English? Who will represent them ? Progressive asfme ? Socialist seiu ? Or the insane unknowns at the ctu ? As others have said the unmoveable bureaucracy runs the city depth, if a reformer comes in they sabotage him and just wait him out. Just look at the DC swamp whom just refused to carry out trumps executive orders. Common sense says hire civilians,but common sense has no home here. Useless political hacks will be telling the police what to do in their own house. Enemy at the gates
Dont forget the Academy is packed with supervisors and young lads.
Look at the recent FFO / POPS, officers with a few years on teaching crowd tactics and gas mask fittings.
The WOL allows the old house mice from 019 1st Watch like Dennis K take care of young mice.
Old mice gossiping, online shopping, smoking, and bitching all night while the young mice take care of paper and other desk duties.
Dennis K has one job, get the damn sheets done right but he simply fucks it up. Time to retire.
Do you real want some of those side pieces and house mouses backing you up on the street? Asking for a friend.
Hire felons, 3rd tier pension, they pay 30% of their salary into the fund, not refundable at all til mandatory retirement 65-70. They can sell blow to supplement their income.
This isn’t fair we need 3 po’s on the desk doing nothing, we absolutely need 2 po’s in Sdsc doing less than nothing, and of course we need a po to hand out radios. But my favorite of all is we cannot ever get rid of the male po’s from their secretary spots. These people have dedicated their careers to doing as minimal as possible whos a civilian to take that away.
way too many useless females on this job
do you really want some citizens that the liberal city would hire working in your station/district/unit????? You think you gotta lock your locker now, just wait until those
"citizens" are walking freely all around the station just waiting to find anything unsecured ad complain every time they hear you swear
Perhaps cut back on the energy drinks or coffee, take a deep breath
and relax, gather your thoughts, then start furiously typing.
Many of these posts remind me of reading case reports when I was
a dic.
3/26/2024 03:55:00 PM
Are you still one?
I got a headache reading your post
3/26/2024 10:44:00 AM
And yet you read it.
You read it all.
First word to last word.
Stamina, me lass or laddie, ye has got Stamina!
Plus, you really stubborn.
Do you clear your plate of every single sweet pea?
ANd thats how democRats stuff their pockets
Bids came out a few years ago for 2nd watch in ghetto district. After the desk/sdsc/extra upstairs admin/ extra caps spots/ school cars... they had 12 people that worked the streets to answer jobs. On top of that all the managment spots were saved for 3 years on the job upstairs admin spots. Dumped people who actually did activity. Ended up having to pull people back, acting like they did them a favor. Regadless, bosses will always care about inside people more than some guy or gal who answers domestics all day in the hood. Look out for eachother. Stay safe. Admin spots are never going away. Ohh the Commander sec has 5 years on says shes never working the streets again. Hahaha. Gotta love it. Good for her. Lololol
Hq is so full off do nothing "officers" they dont even have enough room in the lot.
Anyone out there know how to write a screenplay? I mean, no joke, this would make for a really funny dark comedy. At least when it's on a screen, it's ok to laugh. Better to laugh than to remember how painful it is.
Way too many able bodied young cops working inside spots. The desk used to be for the old and decrepit.
HQ full of $120k a year clerical house mouses and "light" duty and useless scammers at the guard shack, which my 3 year old could do a better job at. Nothing will ever change so as long as you hire women who want desk spots out of the academy, nerds who are afraid of their own shadows, scammers who are cry babies.
Forensics is full of light duty do nothings. It’s a complete joke all light duty officers are doing ETs work. If you are light duty come to forensics they will take you.
JOB ANNOUNCEMENT
Investigator
Chicago Police Department
Bureau of Internal Affairs
NUMBER OF VACANT POSITION: 31
Dont forget the Academy is packed with supervisors and young lads.
Look at the recent FFO / POPS, officers with a few years on teaching crowd tactics and gas mask fittings
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There was a NOJO and they applied. Quit bitching because you’re afraid to leave midnights and try something new.
Lot of do nothing's at every Detective Area. Let's start with the female detective in charge of the homicide files. Followed by the Area secretary, also a detective. And the p.o. female who literally does nothing but send redundant emails from 1030 till about 2. And her sergeant who literally is over promoted and works 11 till 2. And the homicide lessons, no need for detectives there. And do we really need 30 sworn members assigned to Area technology centers? A civilian can answer the phones. Lot of fluff spots that don't have days off cancelled or get assigned to details. Lots of detectives that have never been assigned an investigation.
Easy answer! Two tier pay scale! Officers that work the street should be paid at a higher rate than the side pieces, butt lickers, and inside clerks.
3/26/2024 08:50:00 AM
Don't you guys get some kind of field duty pay or duty availability? Inside people shouldn't get this, but I'd guess that most of the inside people would take that loss.
Lol. Keep dreaming. The CPD is far too corrupt to enact efficiency reforms. This department is built upon nepotism and cronyism.
3/26/2024 09:14:00 AM
You know you're in Chicago, right? CPD is a reflection of the rest of the rotten city.
We could begin by civilianizing the Supernintendo's position...I mean, since so much "merit" got him there, it obviously has nothing to do with police work anymore...
Then we can work our way down from the top...
You want to safe money than close down the city. All these hair brained ideas has the city being destroyed. You don’t save money when it comes to safety. How much is your life worth - everything!
Replied; the city has been burning for a good while. What’s burning has already been destroyed. Just don’t let the fire move to what’s left. We don’t want anyone that applies. They cost way more when they fuck-up! The law suits could fund are pension or another department, money down the toilet. If I were you I would save every penny. Start a side business or live broke and be deferred comp rich later. City is lost, look with your eyes, empty store fronts, vacant lots, houses with no one in them, area with no one putting money into their homes, population decline, manufacturing gone, lots used for farming, jobs leaving, migrants saved school decline this year, crime, gangs, drugs, clueless leadership, taxes out of control, and to much other crap going on to list. The city is trying to save money because they can see the future coming. Do more with less. Also plan your moving out of here strategy. Shit beyond repair. City has 20 to 30 years before it is Detroit. City has been dying for a while. A city just takes a while to die. Manufacturing left a while back.
Anonymous said...
CPD offered an entrance exam last weekend. Does anyone know how many people applied?
How many officers are set to retire this year? God help us! We need more people to apply. To the stupid dumb fucks that will say "let the city burn"- we need more officers so they can pay in to our pension. You do want your pension right?
3/26/2024 06:33:00 AM
Maybe they could replace the large F1 Sgt (TH) at the academy who sleeps during class! Unfckingbelieveable.
What is unit 191. Who is assigned there and what emergency exists that they need take home cars. Corrupt police department
You guy's can have this CFD job. I became a fireman to go to fire's,boy was I sadly mistaken. I work in a busy ghetto fire house. We do 20 to 25 runs a day moving fat people up and down stairs. Fires are almost non existent. All the white guys work at the busy houses in the hopes of going to fires and are worried about leaving due to the ridicule of being considered a ducker. The women and minorities are smart and work at the slow houses. 12 hour days would make this job unbearable. Equipment and firehouses are beyond repair. We've lost 4 guys in a year. Look at the upper brass and tell me I'm crazy. I wouldn't allow these people to babysit my dog let alone run a fire department. This job is for the birds. Unfortunately many of us have no where to go. Kool-aid drinkers comment below:
How about we start with cutting way back or eliminating the mayor’s and ex-mayor’s details !!!!!!
How many still left from those massive hiring times in the early 90's?
Dont forget the Academy is packed with supervisors and young lads.
Look at the recent FFO / POPS, officers with a few years on teaching crowd tactics and gas mask fittings
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There was a NOJO and they applied. Quit bitching because you’re afraid to leave midnights and try something new.
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NOJO you say? I’m not op, and you’re either new here or a blind fool.
Academy instructor buddy told me the CIT section is the only legit academy position where one does not require clout to land there. Similar to the “provisional FTO” position that management bitches are required to accept or be launched to midnights on the late car. No one applied to the last CIT instructor NOJO so few of the least clouted, unlucky, instructors were given an ultimatum. Either someone volunteers or you’re outta here. They drew straws.
“There was a NOJO and they applied. Quit bitching because you’re afraid to leave midnights and try something new.”
Please, all of Alderdan’s tact minions and Sgt are back there teaching that course. Didn’t even last 5 years on the streets and already tucked away teaching older coppers tactics on events we’ve been through repeatedly over the years.
Anonymous said...
CPD offered an entrance exam last weekend. Does anyone know how many people applied?
How many officers are set to retire this year? God help us! We need more people to apply. To the stupid dumb fucks that will say "let the city burn"- we need more officers so they can pay in to our pension. You do want your pension right?
3/26/2024 06:33:00 AM
3/27/2024 03:37:00 AM
Boom! The elephant in the room, personally I encourage the younger coppers to stay, and talk to many about the merits of the job, if nothing else they help pay our pensions! This is the only police agency where over 200 left and are now begging to be rehired,as they found out when they go elsewhere it is the real deal,and accountability is job #1! Other agencies coppers dress alike try to find even 2 coppers in proper uniforms? Try to find 5 with proper vehicle registrations here! Look in the 010th lot for example an inspectors dream!
11:06pm afraid to leave midnights? Lol seems to me working midnights in a patrol car is the hardest job out there nowadays. I think the 3yr wonders who can't handle the streets and go to teach courses about things they haven't even done themselves are the ones that are afraid.
Today I learned the City had a City Council Office of Financial Analysis. They've been quietly pumping out reports.
Here's one from last month.
https://www.chicago.gov/content/dam/city/depts/COFA/OtherReports/COFA_BudgetOptionsReport-FY2024.pdf
Check them all out.
https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/depts/cofa.html
Lot of do nothing's at every Detective Area. Let's start with the female detective in charge of the homicide files. Followed by the Area secretary, also a detective. And the p.o. female who literally does nothing but send redundant emails from 1030 till about 2. And her sergeant who literally is over promoted and works 11 till 2. And the homicide lessons, no need for detectives there. And do we really need 30 sworn members assigned to Area technology centers? A civilian can answer the phones. Lot of fluff spots that don't have days off cancelled or get assigned to details. Lots of detectives that have never been assigned an investigation.
3/26/2024 11:19:00 PM
I totally conquer with you assessment but we need ATC guys they are the ones who gather our video and always help detectives that aren’t computer illiterate.
Please, all of Alderdan’s tact minions and Sgt are back there teaching that course. Didn’t even last 5 years on the streets and already tucked away teaching older coppers tactics on events we’ve been through repeatedly over the years.
3/27/2024 10:22:00 AM
I had some 27 year old clown with a mustache lecturing me that he was at the battle of "the Columbus statue". I told him I was at Takur Ghar, I'm not impressed. He had no idea what I was talking about. He just gave me a disdainful look and kept talking about himself. What are those idiots going to do after the convention when somebody else is now "the man"? House mice never go back to being field mice.
Many useless spots for police that can be dine by civilians. Shot spotter, tech jobs, social media, evidence coordinators, review, secretaries, desk, ect….
Anonymous said...
Dont forget the Academy is packed with supervisors and young lads.
Look at the recent FFO / POPS, officers with a few years on teaching crowd tactics and gas mask fittings
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It was HORRIBLE a complete jumbled mess slides missing not in order lacking material for topics being covered HELP US
98% of those dumb mf'ers should ho back on the street
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You guy's can have this CFD job. I became a fireman to go to fire's,boy was I sadly mistaken. I work in a busy ghetto fire house. We do 20 to 25 runs a day moving fat people up and down stairs. Fires are almost non existent. All the white guys work at the busy houses in the hopes of going to fires and are worried about leaving due to the ridicule of being considered a ducker. The women and minorities are smart and work at the slow houses. 12 hour days would make this job unbearable. Equipment and firehouses are beyond repair. We've lost 4 guys in a year. Look at the upper brass and tell me I'm crazy. I wouldn't allow these people to babysit my dog let alone run a fire department. This job is for the birds. Unfortunately many of us have no where to go. Kool-aid drinkers comment below:
3/27/2024 08:59:00 AM
It’s now an EMS Dept with firefighting capabilities. DEI has ruined CFD look at the administration. They made a DEI team to recruit as many pink hair chronically offended transformer Roscoe/Halsted types as possible. Downgrading up to 5 companies daily from ALS to BLS, lack of paramedic manpower and more call volume than ever. A commissioner letting felons on the job to avoid ring camera blackmail. It’s become a MAD TV parody of what it used to be.
Please, all of Alderdan’s tact minions and Sgt are back there teaching that course. Didn’t even last 5 years on the streets and already tucked away teaching older coppers tactics on events we’ve been through repeatedly over the years.
3/27/2024 10:22:00 AM
I had some 27 year old clown with a mustache lecturing me that he was at the battle of "the Columbus statue". I told him I was at Takur Ghar, I'm not impressed. He had no idea what I was talking about. He just gave me a disdainful look and kept talking about himself. What are those idiots going to do after the convention when somebody else is now "the man"? House mice never go back to being field mice.
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That guy was so annoying. Couldn’t even figure out how to use a microphone and was shouting at us during his war stories. Get bent
Wait until officers start being pulled for training.
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