Retirement Denied? (Delayed?)
Someone posted a rumor the other day that they made up, quoting some MCC section that doesn't exist as far as we can tell, but we think (THINK) could exist somewhere. Perhaps not in Chicago, but other government agencies.
They claimed that Conehead could suspend retirements indefinitely, to alleviate the manpower shortage that's going to come to a head right before the DNC.
Does anyone know if this provision exists in any form in the Contracts? We're just curious....and we don't have to tell anyone exactly what would happen if Conehead tried this bull$hit.
Labels: rumors
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
97 Comments:
One thing he can not stop:
Medical/IOD
I will for a fact be on it.
The department can restrict some individuals they deem critical to the operation of the city. They cannot apply this to every 9161 with papers in.
Sworn members of the CPD are not the same as conscripted miltary. This is just a job, which can be quit at any time. And the laws state that if qualified for a pension the pension will commence upon retirement Its bullshit.
I'm way ahead of many of you.
I can't see any way they could legally prevent anyone from retiring. Even if they tried to use manpower to justify it, there's no way it would fly. You can't force someone to work if they meet the requirements for retirement and choose to retire. They'll just cancel RDOs, restrict time due, and extend hours until they have enough exhausted and burnt out bodies to fill the buses. If you plan to retire, and anyone tries to suggest that you can't, maybe you'll have a back injury for a few months. You'll probably start to feel better once all the excitement dies down, probably some time after the DNC.
Fuck'em...hit medical.
This guys demented…
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Hell yea!! I’m ready! I just spent 700$ on my brand new turtle gear. I did my ffo training and I just hit my 30 month mark on the job!! I tik tok all my friends and tell them I’m a Chicago cop!! Then I instagram all my other friends and tell them I was honorably chosen to work on the tac team. This is my time to shine!! I’ve been ready for this my whole life. My dadda was a police man on the west side and told me all his war stories. This summer, I finally get some of my own. Unfortunately I can’t tell my dadda any of them cuz he died a month after he retired
4/07/2024 09:53:00 AM
This is sarcasm to the fullest and funny as hell. To the idiot who wrote that this person is DEMENTED, you're an idiot!!!!
There was another rumor for a long time that the city can stop you from retiring if you are under criminal investigation by the city, state or feds.
I have never heard of this happening to anyone and when I retired I didn’t see a line for anyone’s approval on the paperwork.
Then over here as Biden and democrats leave borders wide open, wait till the mass during convention:
Muslim protestors chant 'death to America, death to Israel' at rally in Michigan's Dearborn after city was branded 'Jihad capital' of the U.S by WSJ
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13282075/Protestors-rally-Dearborn-Michigan-jihad-capital.html
*Dealing with what we deal with on a daily basis is nothing compared to these that hate and would kill you in a second, many are military style trained be ready, as they destroy what we had and the people that made America great!
Whomever posted that rumor is a complete idiot. No, they cannot deny or delay your retirement under any circumstance. We are not the military, where they can delay you ETS-ing for various reasons. Nobody here signed any form of a contract and are under no obligation to stay any longer than you want. You can literally retire/quit tomorrow if you so decide and there is nothing they can say or do to stop you. So to the scholar that posted that "rumor" please do the world a favor and don't reproduce!
OT: ARS 3rd watch Sgt KT supposedly smelled alcohol on a POs breath. Said PO left and went home. Instead of speaking to the PO she calls IAD who goes to the POs house. The PO tells IAD he quits. The PO is stripped to begin with but why not add more stress to his life in this day and age of POs taking their own lives.
Pure speculation here…but I don’t think he can legally do it. You cannot be legally stopped from resigning from any job. The only thing he could try….and again I don’t think he legally is able to…is to make a statement that pension payments are going to be suspended for anyone submitting their retirement packets from now until after the DNC.
On a side note….anyone eligible to….please go to the retirement seminar several times during your careers.
Not sure if it does or doesn’t, but there’s always the medical if the city pulls some bull shit like this.
You really believe this? It’s called slavery.
ahhhh fuck....my back.
Someone is pulling your pud, which can be delightful.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
Assinine and unconstitutional.
Day before the DNC…Oh! my back!!
If this A--hole did something like that, just hit the medical and nothing could be done.
I am a PPO and have a few more months until I get off probation. All of my FTO's and veteran officers say the same thing- "don't stick your neck out for the city. Don't do any proactive policing. Just answer your jobs and back others up". The bosses and some other sergeants encourage " activity". I'm thinking about moving to a different police department. Which local police departments will allow me to be a proactive police offjcer?
Forcing somebody to work for you? I think there's a term for that.
Um, all you do it quit. They can not force you to work and they can not deny youre pension wherever you are vested.
The only thing they can not give you is your retirement credentials. Who gives to fucks about that?
This not the military and you were not drafted.
Walk out the door and shut the lights off if you want
I have a year of medical to use. Promise I won’t be participating in the DNC or election riots.
If the city did this, then a lot of people who have between two years and twenty years would leave for other departments or other careers. Those with more than twenty years would select to get their pension and retire.
It’s bullshit. But if DID happen I’ll happily hit the medical with that bad back and stay on payroll 2 months longer. But no. This will not happen
Stop Loss…but not on this joke of a job
The guy sitting on the throne at fort sexy has been swinging the lumber around in the hen house. One of the hens is up the pole. Say it ain't so.
Forced labor is Slavery.
That's why you can't be forced to work your days off for no pay. That used to happen.
This isn’t the military. You can quit any time.
Anonymous said...
OT: ARS 3rd watch Sgt KT supposedly smelled alcohol on a POs breath. Said PO left and went home. Instead of speaking to the PO she calls IAD who goes to the POs house. The PO tells IAD he quits. The PO is stripped to begin with but why not add more stress to his life in this day and age of POs taking their own lives.
4/08/2024 04:23:00 AM
Wait, let me get this straight… a guy shows up to work drunk and reeking of booze, his supervisor says something to him about it and he up and leaves work and goes home for the day. You are now pissed at the supervisor for doing something about that? Sheesh.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I am a PPO and have a few more months until I get off probation. All of my FTO's and veteran officers say the same thing- "don't stick your neck out for the city. Don't do any proactive policing. Just answer your jobs and back others up". The bosses and some other sergeants encourage " activity". I'm thinking about moving to a different police department. Which local police departments will allow me to be a proactive police offjcer?
4/08/2024 07:00:00 AM
You can lateral over to the jail at Cook County. Great benefits and pay....and you can be proactive. And one day, maybe one day you can wear the UPS brown suit!
I'm surprised you even addressed this silly premise SCC. But it is a good conversation starter.
Now let's talk about that $30 million Brinks Heist.
Lots of Goodfellas out there buying Cadillacs right now
The real question is why are you still even there. (From copper that left in 21)
Anonymous said...
I am a PPO and have a few more months until I get off probation. All of my FTO's and veteran officers say the same thing- "don't stick your neck out for the city. Don't do any proactive policing. Just answer your jobs and back others up". The bosses and some other sergeants encourage " activity". I'm thinking about moving to a different police department. Which local police departments will allow me to be a proactive police offjcer?
4/08/2024 07:00:00 AM
Bet you’re still living in mom’s basement how’s the meatloaf? Like many gen z still at home sucking off mom n dad’s future retirement cash. Did you buy new jeep wrangler or dodge ram pickup with murdered out smoke glass and punisher decals?
Slavery ended 160 years ago. Not a chance that they'll try this.
Retreat.
Abandon your posts. The end is near.
So glad I left last August. It's a pain just reading the daily BS that's put to the police everyday. For our pensions sake, we need 1-20 year PO's to stay and keep the fund scraping by. I believe Detroit PD is .65 cents on the dollar.
Anonymous said...
I am a PPO and have a few more months until I get off probation. All of my FTO's and veteran officers say the same thing- "don't stick your neck out for the city. Don't do any proactive policing. Just answer your jobs and back others up". The bosses and some other sergeants encourage " activity". I'm thinking about moving to a different police department. Which local police departments will allow me to be a proactive police offjcer?
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If this is a real post and not someone just being a smart-ass…understand this… the entire profession of policing is destroyed. It doesn’t matter what state or what department you work-it will be the same. Here’s another thing you must understand….it will be this way for the remainder of your career.
There may be hope in the future, however!!!
I recently watched a YouTube debater who predicts there will be a flip back to conservativism in a couple of decades. Normally I just disregard YouTube debaters, but this guy made sense. His theory is this…
Right now, the average age to get married in the us is 31 years of age, which is the oldest it’s ever been, and most young people today are so spoiled, so entitled, and so progressive that they think of marriage as stupid, and they’re not having kids. Now shitheads and losers will continue to have kids, but there’s nothing you can do about that.
But guess who is continuing to get married young and havr a lot of kids…young, conservative, religious people. If that trend continues, eventually those kids will be raised with conservative values which will then eventually outnumber what the trend is today.
am a PPO and have a few more months until I get off probation. All of my FTO's and veteran officers say the same thing- "don't stick your neck out for the city. Don't do any proactive policing. Just answer your jobs and back others up". The bosses and some other sergeants encourage " activity". I'm thinking about moving to a different police department. Which local police departments will allow me to be a proactive police offjcer?
A red State. Like Texas
I am a PPO and have a few more months until I get off probation. All of my FTO's and veteran officers say the same thing- "don't stick your neck out for the city. Don't do any proactive policing. Just answer your jobs and back others up". The bosses and some other sergeants encourage " activity". I'm thinking about moving to a different police department. Which local police departments will allow me to be a proactive police officer?
How about you grow a pair and stop letting others decide your fate? I agree with their logic but I’m my own man. I’m proactive in a busy district but I’m not stupid. I do things that proper way. Live with no regrets. You wanna work, then work. You wanna be a p*ssy, then do that but a man shouldn’t let another man dictate how he is to live.
“Which local police departments will allow me to be a proactive police offjcer?”
I think you can still do that in Burma? They’ll put you in an open Jeep, arm you with a bamboo switch, an AK47, and several hand grenades. You may be as proactive as you like with any Citizens who even dare to glance in your direction.
Anonymous said...
I am a PPO and have a few more months until I get off probation. All of my FTO's and veteran officers say the same thing- "don't stick your neck out for the city. Don't do any proactive policing. Just answer your jobs and back others up". The bosses and some other sergeants encourage " activity". I'm thinking about moving to a different police department. Which local police departments will allow me to be a proactive police offjcer?
4/08/2024 07:00:00 AM
Pinellas County, FL Sheriff's Office
Anonymous said...
There was another rumor for a long time that the city can stop you from retiring if you are under criminal investigation by the city, state or feds.
I have never heard of this happening to anyone and when I retired I didn’t see a line for anyone’s approval on the paperwork.
4/08/2024 03:30:00 AM
What happens if you are investigation you will may not get a "retired" id card which will prevent you from carrying under HR218. Pension is defined by state law not city policy. The pension check does not come from the city.
"Anonymous said...
OT: ARS 3rd watch Sgt KT supposedly smelled alcohol on a POs breath. Said PO left and went home. Instead of speaking to the PO she calls IAD who goes to the POs house. The PO tells IAD he quits. The PO is stripped to begin with but why not add more stress to his life in this day and age of POs taking their own lives.
4/08/2024 04:23:00 AM"
If that's who I think it is that guy has been fighting that demon for a very long time. I hope he survives!
Folks, and Peoples, if you have a problem please get help.
Conehead needs about 150 guys to be assigned to the protection detail of his baby momma and his lust child. Oh, what a joyous detail that would be.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT: ARS 3rd watch Sgt KT supposedly smelled alcohol on a POs breath. Said PO left and went home. Instead of speaking to the PO she calls IAD who goes to the POs house. The PO tells IAD he quits. The PO is stripped to begin with but why not add more stress to his life in this day and age of POs taking their own lives.
This might be the dumbest gripe I’ve seen posted on this board. You’re going to find it hard to get a lot of sympathy here. I can’t imagine many people are going to agree that it’s cool to show up loaded and just go home to avoid getting called out on bullshit
Thems are fighting’ words. I’ll kindly take a pass and watch the Monster that is the vile Democratic Party eat itself and destroy what’s left of a once beautiful city.
OT: ARS 3rd watch Sgt KT supposedly smelled alcohol on a POs breath. Said PO left and went home. Instead of speaking to the PO she calls IAD who goes to the POs house. The PO tells IAD he quits. The PO is stripped to begin with but why not add more stress to his life in this day and age of POs taking their own lives.
Your friend, who's already stripped, shows up to work drunk and then abandons his post and goes home. That's what you stated, right? Now you're whining here on the blog because the supervisor did their job, adding more stress to his life? If you are worried about your friend and suicide, don't come here to cry and point blame because the sergeant followed rules. Reach out to him/her and seek help for your friend if you're so concerned.
I do know a detective who had his papers in and a date
Set for retirement who obtained a serious CR # just a few
Weeks prior to leaving. He was unable to retire until the
Investigation was completed. He wound up staying for about 6
More months until the investigation was completed. The allegations
Were pretty serious, I also know several clouted persons who were
Given an advance warning of an upcoming serious investigation prior
To receiving the official notification from the department also for a serious
Incident that may have turned in to a separation. The special people
Retired prior to receiving the official notification but were not issued
Their retirement credentials until the investigation was completed.
I have never seen or heard of anyone in good standing not being
Allowed to retire when they wanted to.
This is just a fuckin’ job. They can’t do it, but they can and will jag you around. Respond accordingly.
I doubt it would happen...But, I'm sure it has crossed a few minds as a solution in recent years.
I agree with a few posters. Just quit coming to work. As long as you have given them 30 days notice. Ironing out the (sold out) pension board might take a while, but they can't
deny you what there has already been an agreement to for over 50 years, and began "in trust" on your first day of work.
Any labor lawyer would love to take a crack at that...it's a slam dunk.
Besides...it's a bad move. Even if it had to go to arbitration, the city would lose time and time again. They would never recover, and any future arbitration would have the stench of this maneuver all over it.
They could remove the free medical at 55 and retirements would slow to a halt for the younger kids on this job. Thats about all I could see happening.
Didn't one of the far north suburbs (Zion, North Chicago?) try to force back pensioned officers during the pandemic? How did that work out?
Anonymous said...
I am a PPO and have a few more months until I get off probation. All of my FTO's and veteran officers say the same thing- "don't stick your neck out for the city. Don't do any proactive policing. Just answer your jobs and back others up". The bosses and some other sergeants encourage " activity". I'm thinking about moving to a different police department. Which local police departments will allow me to be a proactive police offjcer?
4/08/2024 07:00:00 AM
The Salvation Army is always looking for a few good men and women...
I remember Barnas and Meeler tried to intimidate me about activity. I just laughed at the both of them. I told Mealer lets create a monthly schedule of goals to meet, so I can celebrate my sucess. He just stared me down. Barnas said... I'm going to have to write a report. I told Barnas to make at least 7 copies. One for each year I had left. And Fuck Both Barnas and Mealer for all the integrity checks they pulled on me. Eat shit you pricks. Each one I did the right thing. May we cross paths someday.
I read something in the mcc blue handbook maybe 7 years ago within its 1st couple of pages. Yes it exists, basically the Chgo's dept of personnel has complete authority over all hiring/firing decisions. I conferred with my mid-nite Lt. back then and we surmissed that yes the City of Chgo can in fact refuse retirements based on man-power issues. Foe example, where there is a huge unforseen event that compels a large amount of police to want to retire/resign at once. YES , it exists but probably will never use this MCC code as an option.
To the PPO thinking of leaving. There is nothing wrong with being proactive here. Do it correctly, no chases, good paperwork, and find your own work. Not what some supervisor tells you, pick and choose your battles. Learn the job first and foremost. The suburbs aren't always greener, less pay, 12 hour shifts on midnites, less chance for advancement. Find a good partner, preferably with some time on, and make this job work for you.
naperville ill pd was reaccredited by the Commission on Accreditation for Law Enforcement Agencies, Inc. (CALEA) last month!
This is our department's 10th consecutive reaccreditation and our Public Safety Answering Point's 8th. This is a huge accomplishment and honor for our department and a symbol to the community that we provide services of the highest quality using policies and procedures that are effective, responsive, and up to date.
regarding conehead
my old retired great fto once told me:
do not play around at work
and keep your johnson inside your johnson
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I am a PPO and have a few more months until I get off probation. All of my FTO's and veteran officers say the same thing- "don't stick your neck out for the city. Don't do any proactive policing. Just answer your jobs and back others up". The bosses and some other sergeants encourage " activity". I'm thinking about moving to a different police department. Which local police departments will allow me to be a proactive police offjcer?
4/08/2024 07:00:00 AM
Arlington Heights PD starts off rookie Officers .. $85,000
"...I'm thinking about moving to a different police department. Which local police departments will allow me to be a proactive police officer?"
There are dozens of openings in OK - local, county, state.
Pay is $55-75k which is a lot less than you make in Warzone C but costs are far less as well.
Lower prices, lower taxes, fair elections (ID in person or notarized absentee. NO mail-in)
There's no COPA, police board or any of the other forty-leven BS second guessers.
Everybody on the political side (brass, DA, judges, legislature, gov) as well as the people back you with the caveat that, if you genuinely fuck up, you get treated like every other perp.
There are jokes about cops helping Granny reload after she drops the bad guy.
Down here, I can't say it's never happened.
Several of the local departments don't even require residency.
Mostly the deal is, "We don't care where you live but, if we need you in an emergency, you have to be in uniform, in town and on the street in less than 60."
To this end, a lot of cops (even patrolmen) have take home cars.
Plus, you run a really good chance of making it to retirement without a serious IOD.
What happens when there's an incident and it's documented that the PO worked scheduled 12-hour days with days off cancelled? Do you think that a mental health professional will be able to testify on the PO behalf?
I am a PPO and have a few more months until I get off probation. All of my FTO's and veteran officers say the same thing- "don't stick your neck out for the city. Don't do any proactive policing. Just answer your jobs and back others up". The bosses and some other sergeants encourage " activity". I'm thinking about moving to a different police department.
Ignore those haters, I would just stay here and run and gun as hard you can. The city and bosses at hq will
Stick up for you. As long as your write good paper and can articulate the facts, no one can or will come after you. All these meetings with copa or IAD are actually secret meetings congratulating officers for their hard work, they buy us pizza and coffee and we just laugh it off. There is no better department out there right now than CPD with the training and support of the community, why would anyone leave?
0700hrs don't be a pus-y
you can be as proactive as you want
CPD is the best place to be the police
like shooting fish in a barrel
guns, drugs everywhere
I am a PPO and have a few more months until I get off probation. All of my FTO's and veteran officers say the same thing- "don't stick your neck out for the city. Don't do any proactive policing. Just answer your jobs and back others up". The bosses and some other sergeants encourage " activity". I'm thinking about moving to a different police department. Which local police departments will allow me to be a proactive police offjcer?
4/08/2024 07:00:00 AM
The FBI. But you are only allowed to arrest patriotic Americans who have not committed a crime.
Stop getting bent out of shape over ridiculous rumours. Show me the ordinance. Oh...it doesn't exist.
They can restrict the ones with open CR#’s that were dumb enough to be here past 29 and a day. Get out with your pension as soon as you can.
Anonymous said...
OT: ARS 3rd watch Sgt KT supposedly smelled alcohol on a POs breath. Said PO left and went home. Instead of speaking to the PO she calls IAD who goes to the POs house. The PO tells IAD he quits. The PO is stripped to begin with but why not add more stress to his life in this day and age of POs taking their own lives.
4/08/2024 04:23:00 AM
So the PO left work ? Ya, now when the PO screws up while on the clock and not at work the Sgt is holding the bag. You sound real smart.
Anonymous said...
I read something in the mcc blue handbook maybe 7 years ....
Please re-read it and cite the chapter.
Even if the city tried this there would be a whole lot of people on the medical due to stress just like Mayor BJ!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT: ARS 3rd watch Sgt KT supposedly smelled alcohol on a POs breath. Said PO left and went home. Instead of speaking to the PO she calls IAD who goes to the POs house. The PO tells IAD he quits. The PO is stripped to begin with but why not add more stress to his life in this day and age of POs taking their own lives.
4/08/2024 04:23:00 AM
Sgt absolutely did the right thing. Lucky the PO didn't plow into anybody on the way home. If you're a friend and concerned about the PO, maybe you should check in on them.
What exactly do you think should have been done?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
They can restrict the ones with open CR#’s that were dumb enough to be here past 29 and a day. Get out with your pension as soon as you can.
4/08/2024 03:20:00 PM
There is a letter of understanding in the PBPA lieutenants contract dealing with open CR investigation and retirement. The department can restrict retirement credentials to an officer under investigation. This can be appealed to the superintendent who may allow retirement credentials based on the circumstances. Reference page 106 of the contract PDF. I do not know if the other bargaining units have similar provisions.
http://directives.chicagopolice.org/contracts/PBPA_LtContract.pdf
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I am a PPO and have a few more months until I get off probation. All of my FTO's and veteran officers say the same thing- "don't stick your neck out for the city. Don't do any proactive policing. Just answer your jobs and back others up". The bosses and some other sergeants encourage " activity". I'm thinking about moving to a different police department. Which local police departments will allow me to be a proactive police offjcer?
4/08/2024 07:00:00 AM
Hope you have enough money for lawyers you'll need it, proactive is dead and so is your brain
Can I get the Keesing Bandits phone number? I want his opinion on my outfit for the convention & I want HIM to Kees me because I’m a fool
Signed Assman009
If you are having problems with a substance, get help. We have too many brothers and sisters out there that are just hanging on. You know the symptoms, it only gets worse. EAP is amazing. You can always call the FOP, they know who to get you in touch with. Booze and depression is a horrible mix, it can get you stripped and your foid can get revoked if the situation is bad. Think about it.
OT: ARS 3rd watch Sgt KT supposedly smelled alcohol on a POs breath. Said PO left and went home. Instead of speaking to the PO she calls IAD who goes to the POs house. The PO tells IAD he quits. The PO is stripped to begin with but why not add more stress to his life in this day and age of POs taking their own lives.
I'm retired, but years ago when I was working we had a PO who worked inside he would come in sober but leave worked drunk nobody could find out were he hid his booze.There was a detail at the alcoholic ward so the watch commander sent him there while the regular PO was on furlough, the very first day he came in drunk, the nurse called the watch commander and read him the riot act he sent 2 PO's to the ward to get him. While this was all going on the drunken PO came into the district because he forgot to get a radio and ran into the watch commander who told the PO he was going to blow. The PO told the watch commander that he was going to go his locker well the watch commander went up stairs to the locker room for him and caught the PO climbing down the fire escape. The PO escaped and went home only he never open the door when a supervisor showed. The only thing that happen to the PO 30 day suspension because he never blew the box, it would never happen like that now but it was hilarious
Hey kid, whatever you do finish your CPD training.
Then start looking to lateral transfer.
Red states obviously.
I retired after 30 years of CPD bliss, so I might not know what I’m talking about.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
They can restrict the ones with open CR#’s that were dumb enough to be here past 29 and a day. Get out with your pension as soon as you can.
4/08/2024 03:20:00 PM
No, cannot stop you from retiring. They can not give you a retirement id but who gives a fuck.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
They can restrict the ones with open CR#’s that were dumb enough to be here past 29 and a day. Get out with your pension as soon as you can.
4/08/2024 03:20:00 PM
No, they can't
You might have to retire without your credentials & therefore cannot do the IROCC, but they cannot stop you from retiring due to an open CR
I am a PPO and have a few more months until I get off probation. All of my FTO's and veteran officers say the same thing- "don't stick your neck out for the city. Don't do any proactive policing. Just answer your jobs and back others up". The bosses and some other sergeants encourage " activity". I'm thinking about moving to a different police department. Which local police departments will allow me to be a proactive police offjcer?
4/08/2024 07:00:00 AM
Relocate to Florida. Most counties there still allow Police to be Police.
Glad to see assman 009 is back how’s the trailer park doing
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I am a PPO and have a few more months until I get off probation. All of my FTO's and veteran officers say the same thing- "don't stick your neck out for the city. Don't do any proactive policing. Just answer your jobs and back others up". The bosses and some other sergeants encourage " activity". I'm thinking about moving to a different police department. Which local police departments will allow me to be a proactive police offjcer?
4/08/2024 07:00:00 AM
I hear that the police in Singapore get to be proactive. Even get to cane bad guys. (Google it Gen-Z)
Let someone try to stop me Monday morning 15 Apr. Love my brothers and sisters,
I'm gone, you fukin shit dept.
There is a letter of understanding in the PBPA lieutenants contract dealing with open CR investigation and retirement. The department can restrict retirement credentials to an officer under investigation. This can be appealed to the superintendent who may allow retirement credentials based on the circumstances. Reference page 106 of the contract PDF. I do not know if the other bargaining units have similar provisions.
http://directives.chicagopolice.org/contracts/PBPA_LtContract.pdf
4/08/2024 06:52:00 PM
You can still retire. You still get a pension. You don't get a retiree identification and star, but they can't force you to keep working.
Police are not indentured servants. This is false. Stop it.
Time and a half for every hour worked
They could remove the free medical at 55 and retirements would slow to a halt for the younger kids on this job. Thats about all I could see happening.
Do that and you have the new kids left. You will lose all of us 20+ yrs just waiting for 55. Day we turn 50 we would be out. Screw the 10 to 15 percent. I'm still considering it without the change.
Anonymous retired Sarge said...
OT: ARS 3rd watch Sgt KT supposedly smelled alcohol on a POs breath. Said PO left and went home. Instead of speaking to the PO she calls IAD who goes to the POs house. The PO tells IAD he quits. The PO is stripped to begin with but why not add more stress to his life in this day and age of POs taking their own lives.
Your friend, who's already stripped, shows up to work drunk and then abandons his post and goes home. That's what you stated, right? Now you're whining here on the blog because the supervisor did their job, adding more stress to his life? If you are worried about your friend and suicide, don't come here to cry and point blame because the sergeant followed rules. Reach out to him/her and seek help for your friend if you're so concerned.
4/08/2024 09:51:00 AM
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sounds like my 9 year old kid "Dad you yelling at me just makes it worse." The implication being that I should just ignore the wrong doing. Not happening. Can't happen. Grow up. Don't blame the Sgt. Millenial dork.
so you are saying if you are a completely fucked up cop they won't let you leave? they REALLY REALLY want to keep you. Ya, right.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
They can restrict the ones with open CR#’s that were dumb enough to be here past 29 and a day. Get out with your pension as soon as you can.
4/08/2024 03:20:00 PM
No, they can't
You might have to retire without your credentials & therefore cannot do the IROCC, but they cannot stop you from retiring due to an open CR
4/08/2024 08:40:00 PM
That is true had an open CR actually from another pos copper a union rep had to wait a few extra months to get cleared, just happy to be retired and laughing at the goof who did this!
Anonymous said...
There is a letter of understanding in the PBPA lieutenants contract dealing with open CR investigation and retirement. The department can restrict retirement credentials to an officer under investigation. This can be appealed to the superintendent who may allow retirement credentials based on the circumstances. Reference page 106 of the contract PDF. I do not know if the other bargaining units have similar provisions.
http://directives.chicagopolice.org/contracts/PBPA_LtContract.pdf
4/08/2024 06:52:00 PM
You can still retire. You still get a pension. You don't get a retiree identification and star, but they can't force you to keep working.
4/08/2024 10:55:00 PM
You can retire but can’t get credentials for IROCC. Just go get CC or move to one of the many constitutional carry states. I think there’s 29 now. The retirement star is worthless. I never even picked mine up and they won’t mail it. Moved very far away and I’m sure not driving back to that sewer to get it. But you do need the ID for IROCC
Sorry don't have that MCC blue book anymore, tossed all that stuff when I retired. I assume that obscure MCC code still exists since law enforcement and public safety are part of government. This little code is looked upon as a black swan check safety valve so to speak.
Anonymous said...
OT: ARS 3rd watch Sgt KT supposedly smelled alcohol on a POs breath. Said PO left and went home. Instead of speaking to the PO she calls IAD who goes to the POs house. The PO tells IAD he quits. The PO is stripped to begin with but why not add more stress to his life in this day and age of POs taking their own lives.
4/08/2024 04:23:00 AM
So what do you think the sergeant should have done?
4/08/2024 03:30:00 AM
They can stop you from receiving your retirement star and other retirement papers. Like for FOID you have to receive verification from the city, but that might have changed and now the pension board might provide that
The argument that you are essential and can’t retire is bogus because what happens to the CPD when that person dies of a heart attack or goes on medical for a year. Never heard of the CPD closing down because one of those irreplaceable in gone
OT: ARS 3rd watch Sgt KT supposedly smelled alcohol on a POs breath. Said PO left and went home. Instead of speaking to the PO she calls IAD who goes to the POs house. The PO tells IAD he quits. The PO is stripped to begin with but why not add more stress to his life in this day and age of POs taking their own lives.
4/08/2024 04:23:00 AM
So what do you think the sergeant should have done?
Maybe suggest he takes Cu or a P day.
Maybe suggest he takes Cu or a P day.
4/09/2024 09:16:00 PM
Just doubling down on the stupid, eh? Maybe an officer already at ARS because he's a substance-abusing fuckup, should just not show up to work drunk. Maybe he should suggest to himself that he stay home, or maybe seek treatment for his issues. But you want to blame the sergeant for doing what had to be done. If you're at ARS, waiting to see if they're gonna fire you, why give them more ammunition? If you actually cared about this guy keeping his job and his life, you'd help him instead of enabling him and defending his bad decisions. I'm sure he's been covered for and enabled by many people for years, and you still think that's the solution? How many people should break rules and risk their careers for his mistakes? You're a moron.
So what do you think the sergeant should have done?
Maybe suggest he takes Cu or a P day.
4/09/2024 09:16:00 PM
Since the PO just left and went home, how was the sergeant supposed to do that? And I've known a few drunks on the job who had no CU left on the books, and used their Pdays up by March. If the PO was so hell bent on ruining their career, what makes you think the sergeant has to join them? ARS just had a sergeant drink himself to death so maybe nobody wants to be a part of another death.
To the young copper who will be off probation soon: Take a look at the recent shooting where the offender was killed by the police. He shot at the police 11 times, striking one officer in the wrist. Your mayor addressed the family of this puke and says he feels terrible about this??????? W.T.F. look at the Sheriff in Polk County Florida. He was asked why there were so many shots at an offender by his deputies. He said because they ran out of bullets. That is the kind of leader you want to work for. Here you will give it your all and you are on an island alone IF, they think THEY can make political points in the community off of your skin. Your future, whatever that is, will be done. Even if you get your job back after a lengthy court battle and huge amounts of money in attorney fees, the probability of you getting hired by another department are pretty slim. Since you need 10 years to be vested, my recommendation is to turn in your shit and hit the road. Drive a truck or work in a car wash until you get another job offer. Apply any place the state gives you indemnification and makes the complainants sign affidavits to file a complaint.
Look for a job with protections and not a place where every judgment is political in nature and race based. If you think, like one comment, work hard and you will be loved by the command, read through the sarcasm. Promotions, better be the smartest person taking a test or better yet, be wired to some politician, Rabbi or possibly a wired priest. Look at the past promotional lists and the merit positions that reek of incompetence of the leadership of your department. Did your Superintendent ever pass any promotional test?? Did he work the street the majority of his career?? Pontius Pilate comes to mind when you are suspected of an infraction and looking for some boss to cover your back. G.F.O. while you can. Just my humble opinion after 28 years on and 22 years on pension.
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