Fines by Mail?
You can bet government - especially broke blue state $hithole governments - are exploring ways to make this happen:
- Ford is trying to patent a way for its cars to report speeding drivers to the police.
A patent application from the automaker titled “Systems and Methods for Detecting Speeding Violations” was published by the United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) Jul. 18 2024, and was originally filed by Ford Jan. 12, 2023.
In the application, Ford discusses using cars to monitor each other’s speeds. If one car detects that a nearby vehicle is being driven above the posted limit, it could use onboard cameras to photograph that vehicle. A report containing both speed data and images of the targeted vehicle could then be sent directly to a police car or roadside monitoring units via an Internet connection, according to Ford.
And just to make sure you hesitate to buy a Ford again, they're also selling your info to insurance companies in order to raise your rates:
- Though some of you may know this, many owners will not, so consider this a "Public Service Announcement".
Ford is now selling your driving data to a company called LexisNexis. This company is a New York-based global data broker with a “Risk Solutions” division that caters to the auto insurance industry and has traditionally kept tabs on car accidents and tickets. However, it turns out that LexisNexis is using your driving habits (acceleration, hard braking, speed and how fast you take corners) and forwarding this information on to insurance companies that then increase your insurance rates.
Remember when corporations weren't trying to be stooges of the government?
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
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I drive a Toyota 🖕🏼
Who buys a Ford?
Fix
Or
Repair
Daily
Found
On
Road
Dead.
I love Chevys.
I've been a Ford man for most of my adult life in spite of their best efforts. My next new truck will be a Tundra.
Every manufacturer sells your info to LexisNexis. All the insurance companies use them. If you have a car that is able to connect to any internet connection your driving info is being uploaded. Even if you don’t pay for ford sync or GM onstar, or whatever your car uses, your info is being sold.
Ford might really go out of business. Their factories might just turn into smoke by some crazy person.
Sadly, all the newer cars are spy mobiles now. Spying on everything you do and say in your own vehicle and selling any data they like. Remember when your car was your own, without all this spying. Anything for more money. I have little faith the government will fix this problem.
"They track everything from geolocation data and driver behavior to potentially sensitive biometric information like heart rate or facial expressions. Groups of Tesla employees internally shared videos and images recorded by cameras in their customers’ private vehicles. These days, a single car can collect up to 25 gigabytes of data per hour. Learn about your vehicle’s capabilities for data collection, especially via cameras and microphones". Excerpt from the following article. https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2024-07-25/yes-your-car-is-spying-on-you-heres-what-to-do-about-it
And just to make sure you hesitate to buy a Ford again, they're also selling your info to insurance companies in order to raise your rates
The NYT article linked to above, is an article I had already bookmarked a while back. It’s not only Ford providing this data currently to LexisNexis so I saved that article and to figure out which automakers were doing it. I’m in the market for a new car, current one is 2005 before all this shit was even dreamed of, and I’m hoping I can find something that doesn’t do it.
I became aware of LexisNexis years ago when I got a ticket in Orland Park. When I went to pay the ticket online (to Cook county) and opted for online traffic school and supervision so it wouldn’t go on my record), it was a payment company owned by LexisNexis. A few months later I got a letter from State Farm telling me my renewal premium had been negatively affected by information provided by Lexis, So I took advantage of the free report you are mandated to get for negative information they keep about you and it was the ticket. So supervision might save you from points towards losing your license, but now the insurance company finds out about it using private data gatherers. Maybe if I paid the ticket by mail to the court it might not have entered the LexisNexis system , but last time I did that back in 2004 the slugs at the clerks office sent me a letter saying my bank rejected my check with a reason of “no such account” so I had to go downtown and pay in person to get the supervision.
In Orland Park if you want to get a police report you have 2 choices. Go in person to station and file a FOIA and wait, or you can go online for a fee and get it instantly from LexisNexis. So by providing this “service” to local governments they’re hoovering up the data and since they’re not the government they’re free to sell it.
Fords are complete pieces of fucking shit anyways. I'll stick with Japanese and enjoy seeing 200k+ miles on my speedometer. Something fords rarely accomplish.
I guess Ford won’t be popular with law beakers. Why not just restrict the ability to speed. LOL!
We are already in the grasp of Communism. They are telling us we have to buy electric cars. They are banning fossil fuels. They want to ban gas stoves. They want to control our electricity. They want to control our diets. They want to control our speech. They want to tell us what pronouns to use. They want to control our children and take away the rights of parents to determine control over their bodies. The list goes on and on.
Now Ford wants control over what we do in our own cars and report us or others to the government. You know the government is behind this. There needs to be a massive boycott of Ford products.
We are sinking deeper in the quicksand of the far left Democrat control of our lives. The problem is the hundreds if not thousands of laws that are created each year by the politicians that we the people never asked for. Get rid of the lobbyists and special interest groups and the government bureaucrats.
Long, long ago, in a land right here, not now, there were things called motor vehicles. Fueled by gasolne, carbureted rotating crankshaft pistoned engines, ignition via points distributor, so simple even a caveman could maintain them.
Then came the electronics, first replacing the points distributor, with pulsing spurts of fuel into a still simple cabureter type assembly, followed by individual cylinder inje tion of fuel.
Still not yet digital controlled, but rapidly getting to it.
Even when digital circuitry became the default control of individual cylinder fuel injection, amongst many other functions, still remained as stand alone equipment, no wireless devices, thus, no wireless connections.
Works well, reliable, lasts a long time, as my 1993 will attest.
Then they commenced the infestation of digital wireless devices, making each individual vehicle a wireless signal slave to thread of transmit/recieve/controlled by same technologies.
The bastards.
No more Fords for me.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
This will probably be used (much like the on-board computer) to insulate Ford and insurance companies from lawsuits. Pretty soon vehicles will be mandated to not be able to go above 75 mph
Do d going from, arid Fix Or Repair Daily , to Report Our Customers Daily.
sounds like Ford is becoming a snitch. Will they all be called "Karen" since they are reporting other cars that are speeding?
I won't last ten minutes out there before I have a lifetime ban on getting a driver's license.
WTH and of nearby vehicles what if that's a gurl's hobby which she enjoys and does so safely as her driving skills are state certified ;)
Technically, what we're living through is Fascism. The partnership of government and corporations. Mussolini would be proud. Oh, and if Ford is doing this, You can bet all the others will jump on board.
Corporations control the government.
Slightly OT: I don't pay any red-light ticket I get in the burbs. Tested my theory about a year ago. Got one in the mail didn't pay. They sent another letter. Didn't pay.. Have only gotten two of these red light tickets but the little research I've done is they have little to no recourse to collect.
Imagine the guy that bought a brand new Mustang yesterday. LOL
If only Ford could come up with a system that determines when a driver is using a cell phone without using the hands-free option in the car. The driver could ticket themselves. Probably save a few lives from distracted driving in the process.
That won’t be good for the big fat BJ mobile parked in spot #1
Tesla also has the ability to monitor the speed rate of acceleration, and breaking of its cars. The info is reported back to Tesla . Musk wants to provide insurance to Tesla owner with the rates based on how safe the vehicle is operated. He opines that rates should be based on how the vehicle is driven so that hot rodders with their jackrabbit starts (a little 50s slang to confuse the kids) pay a higher premium than we more reserve drivers.
I think this is a good idea. One of the reasons I only buy a new car (new to me) every 20 years or so is because of the higher insurance rates.
I wouldn’t buy a Ford (Fix Or Repair Daily) because Ford owns the Lions and supports taking a knee when national anthem is played. They also moved their assembly plants to Canada and Mexico.
Of course Government Motors will never get a nickel of my meager savings.
Now SCC you and the bandit might be concerned that they will, or already do, have the ability to determine how long your car is parked in front of those adult beverage emporiums.
This will probably be used (much like the on-board computer) to insulate Ford and insurance companies from lawsuits. Pretty soon vehicles will be mandated to not be able to go above 75 mph“
California is in the process of mandating governors on new cars to do exactly that.
But, but what if a high percentage of the offenders happen to be non-white? Will the company be labeled racist or just the other cars reporting the information?
I don’t speed. I don’t drive like an asshole. I’m annoyed by how bad people drive. But it doesn’t surprise me. It’s criminal how much of your data is sold everywhere. I pass up the discount from my insurer every time to track my driving. And I’ll gurantee they’re doing it anyways, because just about every insurer has you download an app now just for the premium payment. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s not running the tracking in the background. Almost every new car you buy has an app it requires for the onboard GPS to work.
Your cellphone also tracks your speed and reports it to your insurance company. Something to think about when you are responding with lights to an emergency call. Maybe a good reason not to carry your private cellphone on duty.
Anonymous said...
Fords are complete pieces of fucking shit anyways. I'll stick with Japanese and enjoy seeing 200k+ miles on my speedometer. Something fords rarely accomplish.
8/02/2024 02:06:00 AM
Glad that you will see 200k on your speedometer, but what will you see on your odometer?
Starve the beast. Don't buy a Ford. Don't patronize any Ford dealership. The power of our collective pocketbook will blunt the corporate government stooge. As far as Ford Coporate selling our information demonstrates that they remain just another whore in the auto industry.
Generate revenue in a period when enforcing vehicle laws are racist
How many millions did ford toss at black lies matter?
Fuck ford
How about just enforcing speed limit and reckless driving laws on our roads line LSD LakeShore Drive ?
If Fords doing this there has to be something in it for them.
If so, why wouldn't all the automakers do it?
Never liked fords anyways ! Found on road dead !
Just wait until we confirm that Google is selling the Maps data to insurance companies, law enforcement, etc. They have the data on a huge percentage of motorists — and if you are not paying for the service, then they can sell your usage. Not hard to compute who was speeding from GPS point A to point B, even in real time.
Plus the data from insurance companies themselves where we get “discounts” for good driving. Every one of them tracks speed.
Starve the beast. Don't buy a Ford. Don't patronize any Ford dealership. The power of our collective pocketbook will blunt the corporate government stooge. As far as Ford Coporate selling our information ( to anyone including insurance companies) demonstrates that they remain just another whore in the auto industry.
Ford’s Grandson, son of Edsel, is an ex-teacher. He is a far left scumbag. He gave 8 million to “Defund The Police”. The left insists that it was the Ford Foundation, not Ford, that made the donation. The truth is, Ford works at Ford Motor Company and sits in the board at the Ford Foundation. In other words, that lefty shitstain stabbed their best customer in the back.
Let me know when they can identify car jackers and stop the car, lock it up, flash the lights, and play the "Cops" Bad Boys theme song with the horn.
Slightly OT: I don't pay any red-light ticket I get in the burbs. Tested my theory about a year ago. Got one in the mail didn't pay. They sent another letter. Didn't pay.. Have only gotten two of these red light tickets but the little research I've done is they have little to no recourse to collect.
Seems unbelievable. What about suspending your vehicle’s state registration?(for non leo’s: license plates/registration can be suspended). Don’t confuse registration with driver’s licenses.
Burbs coppers please inquire with your village administration what the outcome would be and advise everyone on the blog. Thanks in advance. We all fight against red light camera enforcement together.
Part of the reason why vehicles are so fucking expensive these days cuz of shit like this. Time to line the hat with tin foil and join the tin foil brigade. Lmfbo
Used get strange E-mails about my sky/pass in Florida. Said I wasn't paying my toll fairs. I don't even own a car or have one in my name.
All bogus scam nonsense.
Having bought Fords loyally since 1986, every few years, this is Ford's death knell!
Once this is on Scotty Kilmer's YT channel, they are toast!
As if getting recall notices every other week isn't enough!
SCC/THANK YOU!!!!!!
First On Race Day
Hmmm a private company doing the bidding of a government...... I believe there's a very specific word for that. It starts with the letter F.
Fine
Oil
Releasing
Device
They are more doing the bidding of insurance companies than government.
All this technology to make life easier comes with a price.
Why don't they just build cars that don't go faster than the posted speed limits?
Can't all those wireless cellphone towers be programmed so that speed limit signs have signals sent to cars and then cars can't go faster than the speed limit?
To those inquiring about red light tickets....I work in a burb and a couple of months ago had this exact conversation with the commander who handles red light tickets. He told me NEVER pay the tickets and take it to the shredder. There is absolutely no recourse for them to collect, suspend registration, or do anything. He has told everyone he knows the same thing. You might get a few calls from collections but simply block them after you tell them you will report them to the local police for harassment. With that being said he told me the future for the red light companies will be speed enforcement cameras on every major street in this state.
Glad that you will see 200k on your speedometer, but what will you see on your odometer?
8/02/2024 10:08:00 AM
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45mph. I'm cross-eyed.
NWO
Fake News! It’s all, not just Ford. Insurance companies, PD’s including CPD all use nexislexus for investigative information.
If you reverse Fix Or Repair Daily you get Driver Returns On Foot.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Technically, what we're living through is Fascism. The partnership of government and corporations. Mussolini would be proud. Oh, and if Ford is doing this, You can bet all the others will jump on board.
8/02/2024 06:45:00 AM
No. You are 100% wrong. What you described is socialism. Socialism is the greatest evil that exists in world history. Socialist Marxist communists are excellent at manipulation.
The Ford Corporation.
It makes perfect sense considering that Henry Ford supported and donated to the Nazi Party in Germany.
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Anonymous Anonymous said...
Fords are complete pieces of fucking shit anyways. I'll stick with Japanese and enjoy seeing 200k+ miles on my speedometer. Something fords rarely accomplish.
8/02/2024 02:06:00 AM”
It’s an odometer 😂
Do they keep track of rounds fired on drive by’s in da hood? Or so they just harass law abiding citizens?
I bought a 23 Toyota Corolla and my insurance rates went way up after the first six months, I received a letter from them stating “excessive speed, hard breaking, etc…” and that was the reason for the rate increase. Further investigation with Toyota, I authorized them to track these things and sell my data when I accepted the terms to use the Toyota care app and apple car play. I was able to opt out but the damage is already done. To add insult to injury, the car salesman was adamant that he set this up in my car before I drove off the lot and doing so was tied to his commission. F Toyota, never buying one again.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Fords are complete pieces of fucking shit anyways. I'll stick with Japanese and enjoy seeing 200k+ miles on my speedometer. Something fords rarely accomplish.
8/02/2024 02:06:00 AM
Glad that you will see 200k on your speedometer, but what will you see on your odometer?
8/02/2024 10:08:00 AM
Thanks for the laugh!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
How about just enforcing speed limit and reckless driving laws on our roads line LSD LakeShore Drive ?
8/02/2024 10:57:00 AM
It's "DuSable" Lake Shore Drive you racist!
Evergreen Park copper here. If you do not pay a red light or speeding ticket issued in our jurisdiction, expect a visit from the E.P. S.W.A.T. team.
No problemo. I drive a 67 Kaiser jeep. No nuttin but a generator and regulator.not even a radio. Usually just talk to myself but usually can't hear what I say cuz Ole gurl is loud ! Wait until one dem A rab rascals sets off an emp over my neighborhood, ill be the only one to be able to leave the tavern. Dont need none of that commie 'puter stuff 😊
Just bought a new ram cargo van,haven't had a chance to read the book but it says it has a sensor to see if the driver is falling asleep? Hope that's not a camera watching and listening while I make deliveries. Got a big contract come November couple tons of something called ballots to be delivered late at night in alleys.
No more Fords for me.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
8/02/2024 03:41:00 AM
Not even Harrison?
It's all Thomas Edison's fault, for providing humans with electricity.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Slightly OT: I don't pay any red-light ticket I get in the burbs. Tested my theory about a year ago. Got one in the mail didn't pay. They sent another letter. Didn't pay.. Have only gotten two of these red light tickets but the little research I've done is they have little to no recourse to collect.
Seems unbelievable. What about suspending your vehicle’s state registration?(for non leo’s: license plates/registration can be suspended). Don’t confuse registration with driver’s licenses.
Burbs coppers please inquire with your village administration what the outcome would be and advise everyone on the blog. Thanks in advance. We all fight against red light camera enforcement together.
8/02/2024 01:17:00 PM
It's only a matter of time before they come down, anyone who drives through Oak Brook knows that insane amount of cameras on the corner of 83 and Cermak was torn down because the damn FBI caught the Oak Brook mayor with 50k in cash and in bed with the Red Light company.
Just wait for the next mayor/politician to get caught, they'll tear them down more than anything, no one is asking to put them in, only tear them down, these cameras are a joke and unconstitutional, that's why they make them into ordinances non-movers(no points on your driving record) because they couldn't go bat in court as a "stop"/mover with the amount of legality and financial risk it comes with.
Other car comapnies do this too. The salesmen told me he might lose his job of o didn't sign up for this and other things. I didn't and he still has a job. For a chevy that data sharing agreement was in the separate privacy policy. Also, I disconnected the onstar antenna and put a device to fake impedance in its place. The vcm module also does blue tooth, so i could not just unplug the module. Also, yes I know it's storing the data probably. By the time I sell it or what not it will be historical and how they going to match ot up to me? I didn't sign up for xm radio, onstar, maintenance monitoring, or anything else. I also told them to kiss me ass on the extended warranty. Oh, and the sales guy still has a job. But be careful, the salesmen signed my wife up for a similar program at kia by creating a fake account. He used her information from her documents.
President of that company is an old official from Washington administration, she was I believe in charge of the board of elections. They sued oak brook when oak brook took the cameras down and claimed it was a rogue official doing the bribery and they do nothing illegal. This story came out a couple of years later. Amazing none of them have been indicted. Maybe some have but I would’ve noticed is she was.
SafeSpeed and its president, Nikki Zollar, have repeatedly denied any wrongdoing, characterizing Maani as a lone wolf and saying they were completely unaware of his illegal activities. But the 35-page search warrant affidavit obtained by the Tribune shows that Zollar and another top SafeSpeed officials were working with Maani in 2017 as the firm was pushing Presta to boost how many tickets his cops were approving so SafeSpeed could rake in more money. Omar Maani, who was co-owner of SafeSpeed LLC, could see bribery conspiracy charges against him dismissed as part of a deal cut with federal prosecutors, attorneys revealed in court on Sept. 4, 2020.
At the same time, Zollar was caught on a federal wiretap telling Maani she’d been “told to write a check” for Presta’s campaign fund and arranging for it to be delivered, according to the affidavit. Maani was not cooperating with investigators at the time and did not know the FBI was listening in. While the SafeSpeed officials are not identified in the affidavit by name, other details provided in the document show that the person referred to as “SafeSpeed Official A” is Zollar, a clout-heavy public official-turned entrepreneur who built SafeSpeed into one of the area’s biggest ticket generators.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/2023/02/17/red-light-camera-officials-caught-on-fbi-wire-talking-about-giving-perks-to-suburban-mayor-unsealed-document-shows/
Got an email to sign up for “Ford Pass”
On the surface it sounded good…spend $$ for oil change and do on and build up a credit balance. Read the disclosure statement and they can take all info speed, date time breaking and everything you do in the vehicle and provide it to their 3rd parties for evaluation, (insurance company)
Fuck them, fuck Ford, fuck 3rd party evaluations
Couple years back getting oil changes and Carfax sent me reminders for future oil changes AND got a call from my insurance agent….agent said your mileage is above policy declarations. Told agent, if my policy goes up I will find another agent. I’m not paying an insurance company to screw me.
Life sucks, get a helmet
If you read the article, GM already has a contract with Lexis Nexis as of 2019...
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