Stop Chasing
This was a chase, until Groot claimed it wasn't a chase, and then after Groot was gone, the City admitted it was probably a chase and accepted liability. Now taxpayers are out nearly $80 million:
A Cook County jury awarded $79.89 million to a South Shore family whose 10-year-old girl was killed in a car crash caused by a Chicago police chase in 2020.
The city of Chicago has admitted responsibility for the fatal crash in Auburn Gresham that killed Da’Karia Spicer on Sept. 2, 2020. Her father, Kevin Spicer, and her little brother, Dhaamir Spicer, were also in the car. They suffered injuries but survived.
The five-day trial was to determine the amount of damages the city owes her family. Last month, the city admitted responsibility for the fatal wreck after initially denying any fault.
The City and Department has said for over a decade now, stop chasing. In this case, a ten-year-old died and we have no answers for any of it.
We have in-car cameras, car GPS, intersection cameras, PODs and body cameras that will prove - beyond any shadow of a doubt - that you didn't chase when the subject fled the traffic stop, thereby absolving you and taxpayers of any liability for whatever happens afterward.
Until politicians are willing to pass laws and delegate responsibility for what criminals inflict on innocent citizens, pursuits are a losing proposition.
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posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
84 Comments:
You can repeat it 100x but the 60A team can’t read
How much is the goof at the wheel paying? Was he sued too? Oh I know like Conehead sez “these are just children, yall” you can’t blame them.
Officers are losing their jobs over chases and taking time. It just isn’t worth it. It’s just a job. Work it with the mind set to not get in trouble. Do what you have to when confronted with work nothing less and nothing more.
And those officers should have had to pay some punitive damages as well. I mean let’s be honest … what’s it going to take to get the message already ! STOP CHASING !!!
Tell that to Hawkins minons
Were the cops fired? Should be for killing 10 year old girl and costing city 80 million dollars they haven’t got.
Bullshit. Once the first lawsuit was paid, it's been an endless stream of them. You live in a city, it's dangerous, but mostly from criminal activity. If there's an unintended victim, have a pay scale, say 1,000,000. Publish it, everyone knows it, go get the criminals.
Welcome to democracy, where your rights depend on the howling of the mob
a car crash 'caused' by a Chicago police chase in 2020....
WRONG...
The 'cause' was clearly the criminals decision to flee...
Please let the PRT/CST units know. They always think they can just be “following.”
hey knuckle head,,,, the police did not kill that kid,,,, the criminal illegally driving the other car who did not pull over and stop, like the written law says they must, is responsible. At no time were the police in control of that car that killed the kid. Now go back in the basement and mommy will bring you dinner
Welcome to the Bizarro City of Chicago.
So, are they going to start using drones to track fleeing vehicles?
That would be safer. The guys in the district POD camera rooms could operate those.
80 mil is ridiculous! Shit is out of control!
i’m not saying compensation isn’t due the family, but come on.
Democracy = a howling mob?
So you prefer a king or a queen making all the decisions? If you don't like democracy then you can always live on a remote island, remote mountain or a far away forest all by yourself.
That's an insane amount of money, even for the life of a little girl. Car crashes happen, but if there's no direct fault in CPD driver, then there's no genuine liability. Chicago has created a "ghetto lottery" situation where folks get outsized payouts for CPD shootings and CPD car crashes regardless of lack of misconduct by CPD officers, to point where actual policing is so hampered by rules that the criminals and gangbangers now control our city.
Do the families of officers killed in line of duty deaths get to sue the state or the county when these offenders are out on cashless bail and should have been locked up. The death of this little girl is tragic but so is the murder of a police officer.
COPA has no final summary of anything related to the investigation in COPA data portal. What are the hiding? Very suspect
Just remember this when you complain about the city settling out of court. These idiot juries grant huge awards. It is cheaper to write that check up front. Hate to see it happen but settlements like this one are ridiculous.
The cops killed the 10 year old? Maybe the shithead driving the hot car had something to do with it. Typical democrat voter
Sad to say but in this current fucked up work climate you are 100% correct
Fuck off troll
The kid and crash are all on the asshole criminals part, but of course blame da poleeces right cause the shithead criminal is a broke dick mfer who doesnt have shit but monthlu gov assist deposits and the city has deep pockets. Stop fucking chasing these assholes. Fuck them and fiuck the rest of the shithead democrats in the shitty
Make a new policy that you must do paper when you initiate the stop or closely follow....but 60A cars take in illiterate 2 year wonders so...
Legalized bribes to law firms who then donate back to politicians. Its all part of the game.
You morons keep chasing and the results are death then you deserve to be fired. The writings been on the wall for well over a decade, don't chase! Some of you goofs even have the nerve to ask us to buy benefit tickets, GFYS!
Exactly. Write laws that put the legal blame on the criminals, not the police going after the criminals.
Someday, we'll blame the criminals for the results of their actions. Someday.
I wonder what this does to Chicago budget? More taxes on the way?
Stop chasing and STOP boxing cars in on traffic stops. These new kids are something to write home about.
As I general rule I support "no chase" but that said, there are times when it is necessary like an officer shot or child kidnapped in a car. This traffic or there is a gun in the car doesn't work anymore.
Hey SCC,
Did you know this? Do you think billionaires could have install bugging devices into it while building it, like the CIA did with the Soviet embassies?
FLASHBACK: Obama Aide, Daley Pal Cash In On Chicago FBI Building Project
...Both Higgins, in charge of constructing the FBI building, and the extended Pritzker family, which helped provide financing for it...
https://illinoisanswers.org/2014/09/15/obama-aide-daley-pal-cash-in-on-chicago-fbi-building-project/
Who was the law firm and who are they kicking $ back to at city hall. $80M is huge and way out of line for case like that. And , don’t chase.
It's 2024. If you are still engaging in vehicle pursuits, you are one dumb son of a b1tch.
Really?
I would sacrifice one of muh kees for $80mil, not even a question. I’ll just make another one after.
First, I agree with SCC and others. My question is what happened to the guy who was driving the car which crashed into these people. Was he convicted of murder and is now somewhere breaking rocks?
Hawkins? Jesus, he didn’t retire yet?
Those two idiots are tucked away by Mike Tate in sweet spots
Um, no
No civilian. If you’re an officer you know they will be suspended. The payout shouldn’t have exceeded 12 million. One for each year the kid was alive and one each for her injured brother and father.
You’re a clown. I don’t chase because of the obvious consequences.the police should be allowed to chase. Don’t forget this. The driver who failed to stop killed that girl. Not the police. People like you are the problem
Oh please make this not true. PLEASE! The rumor is that they’re going to make that j**off Hein 1st Deputy and that clouted knucklehead Jill Stevens chief of patrol. Puh-leeze make it false…
hows 1st watch?
Where did the NO training bulletin on chases go?
How much did the plaintiff's attorney rake in for him/herself, the law firm and associated government salaried individuals other than police?
Juries don’t see it that way. Never will. So stop chasing.
Ain’t 1980s anymore. Chase only if u want to be fired or worse. Who cares? Shitbirds will always fuck up. Get them later. Think about family lung guys. Ima jus finna ta says. Your choice kids. Fuck tac. Been there. Done it. Wear a cap backwards at Jewel and try to be cool there. Have no sympathy for u chasing the shitbirds. Be smarter than them. When going to in progress call, unless a 10 1, be the third car on scene. Fleeing boo will always run into your arms. Trust me. Old school and knows. For what it’s worth, kids.
The whole investigation is missing from COPA website 🧐
Maybe it's time you put a chip in criminals that tracks their movements. As soon as they get convicted, install it, if clean for five years remove it.
Hey yo 4563
Lil Hawkins is trying to get his robbery teams to brake the chase policy so he can get another sweet spot. Entitled daddy’s boy.
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Here is the Rally from yesterday..
Watch the first 10 minutes..
Schumer states he WILL call the bill for a vote:
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Even if either of those scenarios were in play and this happened, the city will be sued and will pay the same amount. it doesn't matter what it's for; the onus is on the offender to stop when pulled over and not flee, they don't and plow into innocent people and they die, we eat it.
Remember though, the people complaining about this chase also complained when the police DIDN'T chase the armed robbers that shot the kid in 018 a couple years ago. It's a no-win situation, damned if you do, damned if you don't.
My advice- don't, you can't be disciplined for not starting a chase. You have no protections or backing, these bosses wanting you to be aggressive and proactive will forget your name and protect themselves when it goes bad, and it eventually will.
In the sane world the criminals would have been charged with murder since their premeditated actions resulted in the death of another and it would be zip for the victim. Chicago however has a corporation counsel and city council that couldn’t litigate their way out of a paper sack, besides has anyone ever seen a democrat that didn’t enjoy wasting taxpayers money.
Why are you still using the term shitbirds, Mr Nostalgia?
Speaking of illiterate. Your entire run on sentence is illiterate.
Anyone in the PBPA who uses widelode as an attorney should have their head examined. She is a disaster liberal who wants you to lose
Can't really blame the Corporation Counsel. This wasn't a settlement, it was jury award.
City should appeal. Way too much money.
Trust me, like everyone wished for Rahm instead of Lori, everyone will wish for Hein instead of Stevens, if she makes Chief. My limited experience of her antics as a Sgt. were beyond disappointing, to say the least. She could not and would not make a decision if her life depended on it. When a decision was made, as rare as it would be, it was wrong and damaging to officers. Whoever keeps promoting her should hang their heads in shame and have rotten tomatoes thrown at them while being kicked in the scrotum. She unfairly punished people at Special/VRI/Whatever and is a mental midget when it comes to anything related to police work. If the Department wants to sink even lower, if at all possible, then Jill Stevens should be promoted. The task of bringing the Department to the worst level in history is a task she is skilled at and will succeed.
I work on 2nd watch here in 008, care to leave your initials? I would love to have a one on one conversation with you. Yet again, I can tell by your posts that you’re a limp dick gossiping bitch that thrives on talking shit behind a keyboard or behind people’s backs. You can find me here whenever you’d like to have a talk. - JC
Maybe tell that to the citywide robbery team, staffed with an idiot rehire from 025 MM, 3 clowns from 015 TAC BB, KM and AP and 2-year wonders who think they’re making a difference. Your sergeant and lieutenant will NEVER lose their house or take days for you idiots.
Go back to TAC
LT V's hard chargers in 025 should all be banned from OT seeing as how much she covers for their BS pursuits during regular duty hours.
No joke
But our LT in 025 covers us she's great you have no idea
If you go on line and look up police officers charged with killing someone with a police vehicle there are several and not only charged but sentenced to prison. So bring that up at roll call and let the road warriors who continue to chase these friends of BJ (aka misguided youths) this could be their future over some banger who doesn't care what happens. NO CHASING. Please think about your family and if someone hits you and kills you.
"Democracy = a howling mob?
So you prefer a king or a queen making all the decisions?"
The U.S. is a Constitutional Republic.
agian it comes down to to the police officer on scene and the "balancing act" that the officer has to consider at the time of the chase. The officer should have followed cpd rules on chasing and not chase. the city is not a place to chase.....people and citizens dont listen to blue lights or sirens. The good citizens dont relaize what goes into a chase and the many factors that go into actually decide to chase. 100% of the time when a offender crashes during a chase it will fall on the officer who decided to chase period.
appeartly you dont recall the many other chases that cpd officers have been in resulting in innocent people getting killed because of a police chase especially a cpd chase. And we all know that there is no driving course taught by cpd to chase offenders. the squad cars are famly cars with a lot of lights. If the situation calls for a chase and its danger to life yes a cpd officer should chase. But if it is something that the offender could be caught later in not so dangerous situation then the cpd shouldnt chase. Agian the first thing the boss is going to ask in a chase that results in a citizen getting hurt is was it necssary and most likey the officer is going to lose the argument that he/she shouldnt have chased.
lets just remeber that the ax will fall on the blue shirt always.
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Not in blue dem stronghold Chicago
Only cowards call out people under anonymous. If you had some balls you’d call them out by name and not initials. Guarantee you personally know these officers too, but are probably a hater or jealous dog ass. (3) of the best officers from 015. What’s your resume look like? Beat car? Medical abuser? Definitely has bitcher and moaner on it.
I had a family member killed as a result of a police chase. Just an innocent bystander in a vehicle sitting at a red light. If you are not willing to sling iron to stop a threat and face the consequences, why are you willing to put someone else's life at risk
And I do blame the p.o.s. who fled and caused the chase and resulting horrific crash. You wouldn't shoot into a crowd to get a p.o.s., high speed chases are no different.
Can’t think of a single one that has ever happened to. Fired yes, sued and paid out yes, jail time no.
Only cowards call out people under anonymous. If you had some balls you’d call them out by name and not initials. Guarantee you personally know these officers too, but are probably a hater or jealous dog ass. (3) of the best officers from 015. What’s your resume look like? Beat car? Medical abuser? Definitely has bitcher and moaner on it.
*** Awe, look: another kool-aid drinker from 015. Resume? Work smart and not hard, good arrests, happy bosses, lots of OT and bright future. Those idiots thought they were the real police, doing secret squirrel shit until they panic and scream on the radio for dear life in a foot chase (KM) all over a shitbird with some dope, in the hood... surrounded by residents who voted against you and wouldn't bat an eye when they hang you out to dry. Then go to court and have 90% of everything you've ever done get thrown out or pled down. Who's the clown? HAHAHA
Just a matter of time before these wreckless morons on the robbery teams get someone killed with the way they drive around. Let’s just pray it’s not another cop.
The clown is still you… HAHAHAHA. Enjoy midnights… or maybe your suburban department. Let’s play the guessing game.. what are your initials?
“good arrests”…last time you used your handcuffs were in the academy! If not why don’t you leave your initials and we can compare…..(crickets) 😂😂
Hey Boomer, there’s no need to copy and paste from the original post anymore. If you turn your brightness up, and zoom in x1000 with those old geriatric eyes, you can see that all you need to do to reply to your original shit post is hit the “reply” button.
Hows your ex wife doing? You still drinking yourself to sleep over it?
Heard you got kicked off your easy academy security gig because you pissed people off there too. Continue being miserable. Police like you have no friends
When people genuinely like you the accused and listen to the gossip you share, eventually the identity of the gossiper will come to light. No longer will you remain anonymous—names like James C from the 15th district will eventually be revealed. NO MORE FAKE NEWS. Let's make SCC GREAT AGAIN
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