More Baseless Allegations
This is what passes for "reporting:"
An inside source says some Chicago Police officers are arresting Black, legal gun owners for personal gain, despite them having valid FOID cards and concealed carry licenses.
This comes nearly two months after CBS News Chicago uncovered multiple cases in which CPD officers stopped Black gun owners for minor traffic violations and then charged them with felonies, including unlawful gun possession, even though they had legal firearm licenses.
The source, whose identity CBS News Chicago is protecting, is a decorated police veteran who rose through the ranks. The person came forward to offer a rare glimpse into what motivates some officers.
"You know, if I'm going to be honest, I think race is a big factor," the source said. "Police might think folks on the North Side are more affluent, and they have more means to come back at you if you arrest them for situations like this."
As proven time and time again, race being a factor in traffic stops was revealed to be a non-starter. How many years has the Sparklefart TSSSSSSSSSSS card been in existence? Twenty now? It was supposed to be two years. And all it showed was nothing about race being a motivating factor. Compliance with the Vehicle Code, knowing the Rules of the Road, maintaining insurance and licensing requirements were cited far more often in the minority communities, but that was directly attributable to economic and educational factors that no one wanted to talk about.
Oh, and the upgrades to charges? That isn't decided by the CPD - that's a function of the States Attorneys office, and they rely on a database "maintained" (ha-ha) by the Illinois State Police.
Does anyone know if the David Harris quoted in the SeeBS article is the former commander?
- "You shouldn't be arresting people who are obeying the law, period, full stop," said David Harris, an expert in police law.
Because someone by that name was giving out a WWF Championship-type belt regularly for big number generators, many of which ended up being dismissed at Court for assorted reasons. It would be highly amusing if he was the one criticizing arrest numbers.
Labels: media, silly people
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
101 Comments:
I personally witnessed boss telling me and others to lock people up who were following the law. Luckily I went over there heads and the Lt. The Lt sided with me and the law.
Why bother getting involved in goofy stuff. Some committed a traffic violation. Why go further if they have a DL. It just isn’t worth it.
I stopped a African American in 005 about 5yrs ago for traffic. Loaded gun in his car. He presented me with a valid concealed carry from Ohio. A quick in car check revealed he was a convicted felony 2x over in Illinois. Charges approved!
This Expert in police Law - David Harris Harris? Barz’s buddy who he works with at the Chicago Cubs?
https://cwbchicago.com/2024/01/chicago-police-commander-suspended-for-falsely-claiming-crime-is-down-in-his-district-and-taking-credit-for-the-reduction.html
Is the same Dave Harris that committed a rule 14 and lied to the media about his District’s gun recoveries, arrests, other activity and crime numbers?
Misleading and a very big reach to say that officers do it for “personal gain.” If that is true, wouldn’t all proactive police work be for “personal gain?”
Australian police thwarted another attack with five Islamist jihadi's. They were going right back to Bondi for a follow up attack. Our leaders have welcomed this here. Be safe.
The *point* of most gun control *is* to deter civilians from owning guns, by presenting them with a hedge of red tape, byzantine rules, and nebulous legal liability. You're incensed that somebody would be charged for what amounts to a clerical error? That's why the paperwork is *there*. Nobody institutes a system like this thinking they'll catch Johnny Gangbanger next time his license comes up for renewal. It's *always* been about law-abiding types and making them fear criminal charges for exercising their rights.
How about the idiots chasing the car at a 100 mph yesterday
lil mikey barz threatened to go to the media when he got dumped the 2nd time and he was saying a tell-all interview is in the works, it could be him
Pinocchio is more credible than Dave Harris.
Journalism is dead.
people are more affluent on the northside? really? I have seen many of those poor oppressed south siders in those big houses in hyde park and on longwood dr and on king dr,,,,, and that anonymous source said the north side is privileged, yea,, they have had the privileged to pay much higher property taxes than the south side for decades
Wash rinse repeat! As usual nothing to report so you make things up! Did you see the picture on the Chicago police facebook page? 10 or so coppers not 1 Caucasian in the bunch, that’s racism Bo’s and girls correct? A Cush unit not representative of all the citizens including the true minority in Chicago Caucasian!
So for this lie to be true could it be black and brown coppers doing the job enforcement of the law? No racism there right?
“Meritorious” Dave? This guy was a clown since his first day in uniform. What a joke.
"You shouldn't be arresting people who are obeying the law, period, full stop," said David Harris, an expert in police law."
Just a simple lawyer here, but I've noticed that in most of the traffic stops the officer has observed at least one moving or equipment infraction, both of which demonstrate a lack of obedience to the law. So Mr. Harris is starting is argument with a faulty premise. And yes, even window tint is illegal unless or until the City Council/GA decide to make it legal. Now - there might be an argument that all too often no citation is given for the initial basis for the stop which leads to an easier argument that the stop was baseless - but (again outsider here) that seems like a policy handed down from CPD leadership rather than evidence the stop began as baseless.
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With the Christmas season upon us, it may be kind to check in on those POWs who are in 376. Especially the many who are there for nothing criminal. A kind word or thought may help thwart a PB&B (peanut butter & Beretta) sandwich. Your kindness can mean more than you realize.
Cuck F0PA.
Luck Farry.
These allegations are apparently tied into the new CCSA policy that wants to expand firearms approval charges without having to contact an ASA. They simply want to muddy up the water and attempt to show why it is a bad policy.
When you run a license plate, if you have a CCL it will pop up.
Decorations and rising through the ranks are meaningless now.
Another DEI merit hack that never made an arrest obviously.
I’m calling BS on this DEI boss. You are not charging someone with a FOID and CCL. Now, most ignorant black west and southside feel it’s legal to carry a gun with just a FOID card. I can’t tell you how many people I’ve stopped with just a FOID and they feel that’s good enough. Consider your source here, CBS and a DEI merit.
More Political Theater. Yawn! How about them Bears?
If this “source” was a decorated police officer, they would already know the states attorney is not going to approve felonies on CCL holders. A truly BS report by a reporter who wants personal gain.
I retired as an ASA after 25 years. I had some investigations in which Dave Harris was involved. He is one of the biggest clowns I’ve ever met in LE and I’ve met a few. WTF?
Anybody that says..."period..full stop."..should be beaten
This is why Compstat should be terminated. Fucking bullshit numbers game for the bosses to look good or bad
I saw this a couple months ago on YouTube (I'm one of the million she bragging about) This is one of the most race baiting disgusting seeBS 'investigative reporting'
I've ever seen.
From what I remember, the incidents they showed
1- all officers were professional, courteous and respectful
2-if your working in an area that's predominantly black/brown it's not 'profiling' when a traffic stop is conducted. To be honest on 99% of traffic stops, rarely is the race known prior to the immediate stop. (TSSSS F YOU)
3-I believe 2 of the 3 in this article, the Leads inquiry showed their CCL expired or revoked. So go interview the 4 inch fingernail popcorn eating dei hire who's job it is is to update the status. .
Right, cause it’s never the test cheaters, bad leaders,
Nepotism or favoritism that is the problem.
You mean the same Dave Harris who, as a Sgt, had his team arrest a black security guard, on his way home from work (still in his uniform), who had his blue card, and his gun locked in a box in a trunk, and impounded his car, after the security guard allowed them into the trunk to receive the locked box??
As usual, the 'demand' for racism far, far exceeds the 'supply'...
Now lie still & let me finish my job...
So as SCC mentioned the upgrading of charges is left upon CCASA's until......2026. There is a pilot program in effect in CPD ( think as of now 2025 it's in 007 but may be another district too) where the WOL's in certain locations will be responsible for the upgrade of felony gun charges. Heard the city wants to expand it to remove the responsibility from the poor CCASA's working felony review and toss it upon the laps of the WOL. Good luck Lts who are unfortunately stuck in patrol in the WOL spot as other hidden Lts in Units won't have to bother worrying about the charges or responsibility of upgrading gun charges. Just wait until that hit piece rolls out and they leave the LT's out to dry. Remember kids....the CCASA's have immunity for charging etc but YOU DO NOT. let the lawsuits commence once the trial judges hands out a NG or no PC as the bottom feeder attorney will be salivating to file a lawsuit claiming their client was overcharged because of bias (insert LT here). Good luck WOL's. Glad I passed on the last few exams.
9171 for LYFE
All these "experts." Weather on "Climate Crisis" and Covid "experts" and of course the police "experts" which are all anti-police/ICE/discipline. The word "expert" is grossly overused!
SCC, can you do a post as the city is planning on expanding the felony upgrading decision(s) being given to the Watch operations Lt instead of felony review. Heard they are rolling out training in early 2026 to certain "pilot" districts to train these guys/gals into what to do. Just wondering if the protections the CCASA's enjoy will be extended to the dss/WOL's as they will have final charging responsibilities now. And here years ago people used to say the Lt spot was the best spot in the department. Lmfao. Guess not anymore.
David Harris, one of the most dumbest sergeant’s we had in TRU……. As the saying goes ”cream rises to the top and feces floats”…..
Fat fuck says he’s gonna sue now for being dumped. Go away. You are an embarrassment to this job.
Making an illegal arrest because you were ordered to do so does not protect you from a civil rights violation lawsuit.
Arresting a working person is the legal system way of providing welfare for lawyers.
Chicago has a long standing tradition of hatred, loathing and hostility toward the Second Amendment.
Nope, they planning to jam Retired IL Now Non Resident LEO's coming to visit IL on the FOID Card rules [Unconstitutional ]:
FOID Card Requirement: Since a FOID card is required to possess or purchase firearms in Illinois, a non-resident would not hold a valid FOID card, making it illegal for them to possess firearms in the state.
Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act (LEOSA): Under this federal law, qualified retired law enforcement officers may carry concealed firearms across the United States, including Illinois. However, they must still comply with state laws, including any local restrictions.
Notification: If a retired officer intends to carry while visiting Illinois, they should familiarize themselves with any local ordinances or regulations that may apply.
Illinois Firearm Laws: Different jurisdictions within Illinois may have additional laws, so it's essential to be aware of any specific rules that could affect a retired officer's ability to carry.
In summary, while a retired Illinois police officer may have the rights under federal law to carry a firearm, they cannot possess a firearm in Illinois without a valid FOID card if they reside outside the state.
Residency Requirement: The FOID card is issued specifically to residents of Illinois. If a retired officer moves out of the state, they must surrender their FOID card.
Yeah, ok.
He is not going to talk about how he covered up the Lt cheating scandal and got promoted 3 times higher than he should’ve been.
100%
I had that happen too.
He was a clown.
That was nuts. I drove the other way.
Well, jokes on them, because my streak of handing out VINs and not arresting anyone is getting impressive.
“I can’t drive 55”
I came to work today and more useless e-learning training in my Q. Just garbage!
He was an asshole as a Lt. In 011 when he first.made his rank. NO SURPRISE
The WOL approves charges for PCS too, and tons of those cases get dismissed.
Man guess it's good to be a tact
lt now a days. No working the streets, no TRR's, mostly work OT on a tablet. Oh yeah and I can use my take home car for errands all day on company time !!! Now go approve my guys arrest report for DOPW and 3 TRR's because the GO's say the WOL in district of occurrence has to do them. I follow the GO's only when it benefits me and my guys. We are the real police! The Watch is for suckers.
Will / does LOESA 18 USC 926C pop-up?
Wow, awesome police work dude!
🙄 Yoi want a bozo button for doing your job asshat?
Barz, ain’t doing shit because he knows better… He would be implicating himself in 1/2 the mess.
Oohh! Look who knows how to run a plate.
Basically tell us you’re a ppo without telling us you’re a ppo
Remember the faux shootout in 021?
what about lt/cmdr rh formerly of 003 and 007 then to whatever unit or brass hole spot for the first gun back in 2019(?)
Dave Harris is a expert at the merit promotion.
This is a funny quote coming from Harris after he was part of a quota scandal as the Captain in 025.
Last time I saw Harris was at the academy. I was coming in and opened the door for him, thought he was still a Lieutenant and greeted him as such. He looks back at a bunch of his buddies and says "oh look, he just downgraded me!" What an entitled fucking stool pusher. Fuck him!
The demonrat party, infiltrated as it is with communists liars, wants for its end game total civilian disarmament. All this "gun control" is an incremental way to achieve it.
To the "wol approves PCS....." that's not the point. PCS charges do not require felony review by anybody. It's "by law"
That the charge is applied genius. There is no review like a UUW charge that is approved by CCASA.
It’s been a while since the media has dug up the spectre of Emmett Till, that’s always a good one for them to fan the flames and get things cooking again.
The WOL approves charges for PCS too, and tons of those cases get dismissed.
12/18/2025 10:46:26 AM
You cannot be serious. The charges are already a felony and doesn't require felony review genius. SMH. The WOL doesn't have to review the charges for felony approval similar to contacting Felony review for weapons arrests / charging.
"Inside source", "Source", "Anonymous Source", "The Source", et. al... all made up BULLSHIT as far as I'm concerned. Put up and stand by your allegations or shut up.
Newspapers ought to refuse to report on any of this nonsense supposedly reported by "the Source"...
Total stroke !
MOST tact Lts are phone call juice babies that are afraid to work the street or the watch.
What's strange is 95% of gun arrests have been approved for felonies....not sure why felony review can't continue to do its job and review these case by case. Why point it to the department is the real question. More/ less liability for the working people.....
I make arrest for the honorable mentions. My goal is to have 300 honorable mentions before I retire.
A small thing I saw today that bothered me more than it probably should have.
I was at HQ earlier for one of those “bridge the gap” events. Kids, music, good intentions. No issue with the kids at all. They were respectful, excited, and honestly probably more squared away than half the adults in the room.
What stuck with me was something smaller, and that’s probably why it’s still bugging me.
The CPD Honor Guard was introduced, incorrectly (National Guard???), but they did what they always do. Sharp, professional, squared away. They presented the colors, called present arms, and the national anthem was played.
To be fair, a handful of coppers did exactly what they were supposed to do. They stood, rendered a proper salute, and carried themselves the right way. Quietly. No drama. But a lot of us didn’t. Hands in pockets. Side conversations. Standing around like we were waiting for a face to face relief.
I get the burnout. I’ve been here long enough to know most of it comes from a real place. Nobody needs a lecture about pride, patriotism, or how things used to be, but this wasn’t a protest or a taped crime scene. This was in front of kids who were invited into our house to see who we are.
The Honor Guard did their job. A few officers did theirs. Too many couldn’t be bothered. This isn’t about saluting regs or being a Captain America. It’s about whether we still understand that how we carry ourselves, especially when nobody is forcing us, is part of the job.
We spend a lot of time talking about how nobody respects us anymore. Moments like that make me wonder if we’ve stopped respecting ourselves and just don’t realize it yet. I’m not mad. I’m just disappointed, and yes I include myself in that.
🥳 ….4” finger nails….good one👍🏻👍🏻
CPD College get your credit hours
Is it true they're going to change IROCC qualifications from every year to every three years?
Remember when pritzker cut the FOID staff because he didn't like guns and it took over 3 months to receive your FOID card. Numerous people were arrested and had to obtain lawyers costing the individual over 10 grand. even though those individuals had paid for their licence 3 or 4 months prior to the licence expiring.
Sounds worse than Markham. Chicago go figure
Because liberals and leftists view legal gun ownership and illegal gun ownership as the same. They hate guns and can't do much about the illegal owner, but can sure make the legal persons life hell.
Thats why you make everything you don't like racist.
Sad state of affairs. People just can’t lead by example and the younger generation notices.
Remember you have to respect the shirt but, not what’s in it semperfi
A decorated police veteran? Dave Harris? HahahahHahhahaha. A merit police veteran. Certainly. Terrible as a supervisor, the only thing that kept him going up was his skin color.
I hope he sued , he followed all the laws in place , they can now carry gun on hip from work to home also as long as they have the proper cert
If the idiot coppers did the job to the full extent of the duties it wouldn’t happen either , these people weren’t shit birds by any means idiot , they were telling officers respectfully that the system was wrong , if the lazy blue shirts called the number or isp it never would’ve happened ,
So David Harris, with two Calumet college degrees, is a lawyer now? Last time I check giving legal opnions required one to be a licensed attorney.
I left the state 3 years ago but Illinois State Police show my FOID is still valid for at least 5 more years. I still get my LEOSA card every year in my new home state. I should be good at least for now...
An “African American” ?
You mean a male black ?
Funny in my 25+ years I’ve never seen an African American race code.
You must be a troll.
Politicians around the world have sold out their citizens by allowing unvetted migrants (moose-limbs, MS13, Tren de Aragua) into their countries. This is a globalist plan to destabilize nations after which the boot of oppression will drop on everyone under the guise of the need for peace and security.
Haha, funny kid. I had 300 honorables in my first 5 years working in 011 on Sgt. Cline’s team. In fact our whole team made Sgt.
Lol! Search “Family Guy - Peter’s acrylic nails”
Can you carry legally at the midnight basketball venues?
I remember this case. There was a finding of no probable cause.
People can make fun of this department all they want but our Honor Guard deserves respect. One memory that's burned into my mind is visiting the Chicago Police Memorial in the middle of the night during a rainstorm and seeing our Honor Guard at attention and guarding our memorial...in the middle of nowhere...exposed to the elements...at 2am. Nothing but respect.
Why?
😂😂😂
You personally witnessed a boss (singular) but went over their heads (plural) to a LT. First of all, one should never go over a bosses head and run to another boss. Second, just don't make the arrest. Tell the "boss" to put the handcuffs on the person them self.
Plate only dings to Owners; No record if not in Driver's Name. DL or IL State ID is a Firm on Weapons & Self Reported Grandfathered Restricted Items reported to ISP & Commanders/Chief.
Ask expert David Harris
Tight guy with Escamerit. Two peas in a pod.
Elon Musk is an African-American.
maybe they can't find any Asian "illegal gun owners "
It was his dad's clout
Harris is, and always was, an arrogant jerk who only got to where he was because of his daddy.
It's much easier for them to remember one name than thousands of names.
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