Swiping Begins
Bad news always arrives on a Friday after the newsrooms have emptied out, and this Friday was no different.
Swiping is here, but with a twist. You only have to swipe in, not out, UNLESS your finish time involves OT. So late arrests, court on off-hours, District specific OT, etc., will be tightly regulated, so the old "padding" of slips is now a thing of the past. If anyone was paying attention, it already was a thing of the past in most places. There just aren't many bosses who might toss you an little extra for the ride home due to rampant stupidity of a few softballs.
We've also been told (not verified) that the reason we aren't all swiping in and out is because then we are hourly employees, not salaried, and for hourly employees overtime is pensionable. Hopefully, this has been run by the labor lawyers - local, state and national - and it's above board, because other people are claiming that payroll will be attacked to this beginning in 2020.
There's a lot of info out there, some more reliable than others. Start with the General Order, start asking the timekeepers questions and gather info for the unions.
Swiping is here, but with a twist. You only have to swipe in, not out, UNLESS your finish time involves OT. So late arrests, court on off-hours, District specific OT, etc., will be tightly regulated, so the old "padding" of slips is now a thing of the past. If anyone was paying attention, it already was a thing of the past in most places. There just aren't many bosses who might toss you an little extra for the ride home due to rampant stupidity of a few softballs.
We've also been told (not verified) that the reason we aren't all swiping in and out is because then we are hourly employees, not salaried, and for hourly employees overtime is pensionable. Hopefully, this has been run by the labor lawyers - local, state and national - and it's above board, because other people are claiming that payroll will be attacked to this beginning in 2020.
There's a lot of info out there, some more reliable than others. Start with the General Order, start asking the timekeepers questions and gather info for the unions.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
190 Comments:
I can't wait to clock out of this place for the last time.
What a disappointment.
Everyone better get on board and vote Rahm out. This is directly linked to him. He has for the last few years saying he would do this. It’s not that we were cheating the system, but one more hassle.
Anyone but Rahm and Ed can Go too!
One more hit at morale! Only a fool rides on anything but his jobs and 10-1’s. Good luck! No chases........
Let’s all bend over backwards for COPA and the IG and do exactly what they say. Let’s not even put up a fight and swipe away. Fucking cowards!! Don’t swipe! Reactive god damn department. Fuck the supervisors telling the guys to swipe “or else” just so they can look good for a commander. Great job to the bosses telling their guys NOT to swipe and wait until we get in trouble or hear it from someone. I’ll work with/for you any day.
Next they’ll be taking away your benefits to save the city some money. Go ahead and do that too, when they put a garbage order up two days prior. Dummies!!!
I know in Streets and San your overtime will count for your pension. Let the swiping begin. I'm all in.
Fuck 'em. One will always find a way to make a little extra.
And i would love to sock the jags in whatever "multimedia/online" whatever unit who were clocking ungodly and downright criminal amounts of OT. You asshole(s) should be fired/jailed.
Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered.
I would highly suggest no one risk getting; hurt, injured, fired, locked up, suspended and sued. Just do your jobs and nothing more. Back up when asked or 10-1. Go home safe. It isn’t worth it anymore. They treat us like children. No respect for Police.
I can’t wait to retire and move. In that order ;)
No big deal, unless you are in a unit then sucks to be you.
How does everyone like Special Ed and Rahm now?
Crime is going through the roof. Get cameras, high fences and dogs.
Don’t do anymore than you have to. Work smart not hard. It isn’t worth it.
No one cares about us!
Swiping in isn’t that big of a deal, get to work on time like an adult. You have to be at work on time every day in the private sector believe it or not.
All this so Rahm can say he has done something to reduce OT in the next election cycle. Screw Rahm and Ed, just one more hassle. I remember when they had us a few years back doing this. I had to get a new ID several times because your card wears out from swiping.
I hate this place. More nonsense and nothing to really help us do our jobs. It seems like they don’t want us to do our job.
Good luck city of Chicago residents. Crime is coming to neighborhoods near you.
I’m surprised they didn’t try to sell it as a good thing or that we have always done it this way. Maybe it’s for are own good. Or maybe they just can’t sell it anymore. A bunch of failed policies with current administration.
Keep doing a great job troops.
It won’t affect me much but more BS to do at work. It sounds like more work for the Sgts.
Only fools will swipe... don’t swipe and this will fail... again
Swiping, GPS, body cameras, car cameras, in car audio, sanctity of life, TASER use, force meditation and new use of force order all under Rahm.
I was talking with another copper who brought up a valid point regarding FTO's and swiping. If we are to swipe out only for overtime, does this mean FTO's would have to swipe out at 1630 if, for example, they work 0700-1600? If an FTO is filling out an overtime slip for that .75, ideally for completing a DOR, then he is essentially stating he worked overtime and now he must swipe out. If you're an FTO, I wouldn't listen to anybody that tells you, "then just don't swipe out for that". If you're handing in an overtime slip, you better swipe out. I would not trust the Department to not make an issue out of you handing in OT slips without swiping. They're having a hard time getting people to be FTO's as it is, imagine if this is true.
I guess the old way of doing things just wasn’t working. Just come in and work. I guess the job just isn’t getting done. LOL! If they think my hatred for the current none leadership is going away they are crazy. At every turn they put obstacles in the way. They keep making this job harder then it needs to be. I am getting near the end and I just can’t wait to leave. They totally messed this place up. They hate the police and I hate them.
Once the first check with overtime does not have pension contributions deducted, then FOP can file a suit in Federal Court.
Squad can I get an event number for my ID card won’t register as swiped.
Another pat on the back for doing a great job kid!
Has anyone filled out a (second) slip for missing their 30-minute lunch due to a late arrest?
No more coming in at the last minute. Can’t chance it. As soon as they get this going it will be one more thing to write you up on.
No one should be opposed to this. Anyone that claims otherwise was/is still part of the OT scam
I have six more years and I don’t plan on doing any aggressive Police work. Aggressive Police work is dead under Rahm and Special Ed. They don’t want it. They made it very clear. It is a shame that the bust-outs won! I have been settling into a new routine of just doing what I have to do to get by. Once you get used to it, it starts to become easier. My parents are turning in their graves the way the city is ran. I am ashamed to live in Shit-Cago.
Fuck Special ED and Fuck Rahm! They both will be getting their walking papers come election time.
Let the fun begin also...........
It’s just a job everyone. No more. No less. Just treat it as such.
Keep working hard, your hard work didn’t go unnoticed. In fact they like it so much now that you can become a time watcher. Chicago Police Department welcome to the steel mills.
We never received an E-LEARNING on swiping so I choose not to participate, I’ll wait for the spar and 8 years for a resolved grievance..if the sgt says jump do you say how high?
Mass Exodus from Tact Teams and Special Units In 3....2....1.....Go!
Once I get out of work I don’t think about it until I get back to work. I wouldn’t recommend anyone coming on. It pays OK. But you give up a lot for it.
The average guy gets off of work and gets drunk. We can’t. This is a communist job. Swiping in is one more BS thing to jam people up on.
Old Style
Another reason that they can go fuck them selves!
They assume that we well just keep getting over all these atrocities that they keep doing in time. I am so mad with the gold stars, Special Ed and Rahm. Swiping won’t change much for me but, I’m so tired of the BS and micromanagement.
Just a forever broken toy police officer.
Fuck them! The 1st am 16th! Just keep plugging away to retirement! Ensure you leave the city! Fuck this place! Oh, Rahm and Ed. Yes! I take everything personal!
Ensure you vote for a new boss!
NICE! This must be payback for our dislike of Ed and Rahm SCC. I can’t wait for the day that they really need us to hit the streets right away. I will make sure I swipe. The 009 District on midnights comes out on a regular bases to RAPs and backlogs. They say crime is down but calls for service is up. How can that be? I do paper on every job I can. Don’t code out jobs and kill crime. Drop paper.
More admin crap that takes away from real police work.
They don’t want police work. They need to change the patch on are uniform to Nonpolice.
Ed It is now part of the job however that doesn’t mean I have to like it. I will think about you every day I swipe in and what an ass wipe you and Rahm are. 😡
002 District
How long before people get written up? In 001 District we were swiping in around 2006 as part of the pilot program. When the new administration came they killed it. If you forget to swipe after a while you had to drop paper. After a while they talked about sparring people. It never came down to that, everyone just did what they had to do. This is just the start.
We must do it but it doesn’t mean we have too like it :p
SCC I’m sure this is going to be a long running post. The current leadership or lack there of just wants to do everything to brake the department. This is just one more thing to step on the rank and file officers. They want to remind us who runs things.
Swipe DEEEEEEEZ
Keep working hard and see where it gets you. You would be better off just studying with your free time. Work smart not hard.
9171
Why did they cut Social Security for us when they now want to cap and cut the pension?
According to the order, if you can't swipe, you're supoosed to call 4DATA. Had a couple of people who called. They were told, "Call Human Resources. We don't handle swiping problems." I'm guessing they'll be swamped tomorrow, whit dozens of people needing new ID cards.
Of course payroll will h attached. Why do you think they are doing it. To stop inflated hours. But fail to see logic of not punching out.
OUTSTANDING! I applaud swiping because it’s now fairly applied to the department. None of this nonsense of only having it in Bureau of Patrol while the most treasonous of OT abusers are from specialized units. It’s not a secret, look at the past Sun Times article of OT for 2017 and through the beginning of 2018. How many are from patrol, 5%? It’s like the Fire Department OT scam with inspectors, everything was so ingrained it was a problem if you didn’t fudge mileage or your workload. The gravy train within Organized crime, Gang Investigations and the Detective Division is done.
I’d never wish anyone (even the OT abusers) financial problems, but you damn well better not being living out of your means if you’re padding OT or just flat out making up hours. If you’re legitimately working it, congrats for being honest and enjoy your earnings. It’s bad enough we have to deal with blatant cheating, nepotism, and the overall crappy atmosphere of our job; it’s a whole other issue to be the police and flat out stealing 10’s of thpusands of dollars every year.
us said...
No one should be opposed to this. Anyone that claims otherwise was/is still part of the OT scam
you sound like a clown...you must be a company man...well let me tell you something clown it wasn't a scam it was a reward for cops doing a good job going over and beyond the call of duty to do a good job! clearing cases...getting relevant search warrants and getting late arrest...now screw that go through the motions just do the minimum needed!
I am predicting that overtime in the long run will increase, and cost the city more $$$$.
Each day I write out many GPR's and type untold supplementary reports with the 2 finger method. Needless to say it takes me a long time to complete my reports,and it may take me longer from now on. There are ways to stretch it out and no one can tell me to type faster.
Go to jasper in our computers go to swipe report, then look and see if you are in there. And then if you had over time, the watch secretary puts it on the a and a's and its in the jasper report. It's all connected!
Padding slips in units is alive and well just look at the supervisors at homan. With numerous supervisors making over 225k. Same names over and over in the paper every couple months when they do the overtime expose. My favorite is the Sgt from narcotics that worked more hours in a week than their actually were hours in a week. Guess he worked really hard.
Yeah they instituted swiping as I was retiring. How did that work out? It was 1999.
We started swipping Sunday morning !!!
In all reality swiping in only is not that big of a deal. For now...
I would ask my (TIMEKEEPER’S) if one wasn’t a imbecile P.O. and the other a “80” year old civilian who doesn’t know when to retire.
Next they’ll be taking away your benefits to save the city some money. Go ahead and do that too, when they put a garbage order up two days prior. Dummies!!!
And that may happen if they bust our union with that fair share bulls**t.
Want to make tons of OT and make more than a commander? Learn how to do DUI'S. The highest paid in OT on this department are DUI writers, and the department can't do shit about it. They have tried for years but to no avail. You will be in court forever make tons of OT, and not in danger of being shot or sued.
Anonymous said...
Swiping in isn’t that big of a deal, get to work on time like an adult. You have to be at work on time every day in the private sector believe it or not.
7/23/2018 12:35:00 AM
Spoken like a true boss! As if you've never had an occasional emergency or a circumstance that made you late to work.
One more hassle from Rahm and the 🤡Kidney Bean🤡.
🤣
I just amped up the amount of shit I stir for them on a daily basis.
Fuck you.
Punching a time card was easier.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Swiping in isn’t that big of a deal, get to work on time like an adult. You have to be at work on time every day in the private sector believe it or not.
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This is true. Get to work on time like an adult. Your ghost payroll days are soon to be over. Your days of strolling in three hours late are soon to be over. Now your Sgt. can’t play favoritism and if he or she does they’ll have to justify it by logging in and manually adjusting your time. Your tardiness will become a record and your paychecks will be short. Eventually your noodle-back supervisor will be forced to write you up.
Will the alderman and their staff be required to swipe?
There are a bazilian other employees that have to swipe including lawyers and doctors. I just can't see any downside to electronically keeping track of when people are at work. It's not like they're going to under pay you for swiping.
Not an issue. Just more work for the supervisors. Supervisors have to finally be supervisors. They may lose a few friends but oh well.
Oh no, you mean to tell me that I can’t stop off and get food and coffee for the boss anymore. I have to actually be on time like others. I can’t wait to retire!
Headlines we got headlines;
44 shot — 7 killed — over weekend of Chicago gun violence
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/44-shot-6-killed-weekend-chicago-gun-violence/
It was a rainy weekend and this is the result great job mayor great job Democrats look what you have caused!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
They don’t want police work. They need to change the patch on are uniform to Nonpolice.
Bingo we have a winner. He gets it.
Have to swipe out at cta, that’s a full 8.5
hours!!! No more activity, even Sgt knew
not to ask for anything!!! Good luck Chicago
Anyone see the picture in the Suntimes of the female (possibly detective) wearing checkered shoes? How is that business casual? No wonder why Area North is so screwed up. Area North is the "002nd District of D-Unit".
How long before people get written up? In 001 District we were swiping in around 2006 as part of the pilot program. When the new administration came they killed it. If you forget to swipe after a while you had to drop paper. After a while they talked about sparring people. It never came down to that, everyone just did what they had to do. This is just the start.
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Now the watch in 001 is no different than any other fast district. Go Go Go!
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DOJ why hasn't this worm been charged with any of the sorted criminal activities hatched on the fifth floor...
Swiping has nothing to do with pension. Do you really think it matters if your end time is an electronic record or if it is written on a piece of paper? This is about physically present when your OT ends, something that the units have been scamming for years. Look at the guys with thousands and thousands of hours on the books and you will find the thieves.
Of course the clouted will still get taken care of. The order states that the Commander will have a list of “exempts” from the swiping program. Why? Because their bitches need to be taken care of. Ghost payroll still will exist upstairs. Will they post that list? How many “non-office” P.O.s will be on this list? Why do they even need this list? Fuck the swiping system. COPA and the IG want it and we have to cater to them at the drop of a hat? Get the fuck out of here! If you’re swiping, you’re giving into the liberals asking for it.
Swipe in and out helps to stop those no show jobs. The supervisors who leave early with "the T/D slip on the desk" which is not turned in will be eliminated. The installation of a pinhole camera to make sure someone is not swiping in for someone else is next. Like a casino, big brother is always watching.
7/23/2018 01:01:00 AM
Cry me a river you took the spot.
Oh you poor little millenials. Learn to get to work, be in uniform and be at roll call on time. Figure out how to get to work on time without blaming everyone else. Try working at Ford Motor where you need to get to the assembly line on time, stay there until break time and lunch time without walking off to get your free big gulp.poor babies are all rattled, act like adults and do your job.
About time. Cops wear blue, thus blue collar too...
How was swiping at 26/cal this morning? Whole building trying to do that in 7 minutes? Please comment
I’m retired and came on thirty some years ago.
This job was much better, and much less restrictive then.
No GPS, nobody had cell phones, no computers in the cars..... ahh the good old days.
Swiping in isn’t that big of a deal, get to work on time like an adult. You have to be at work on time every day in the private sector believe it or not.
7/23/2018 12:35:00 AM
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If you think that's what this is about, "getting to work on time" then you are clueless. This job is thankless and the command staff doesn't make it any better. Now a job that is salaried requires you to punch in???? This job my friend isn't a time clock profession!!!!!! I'm sickened by the command staff pandering to City Hall's every whim. Ridiculous.
Anonymous said...
Has anyone filled out a (second) slip for missing their 30-minute lunch due to a late arrest?
7/23/2018 01:09:00 AM
Oh sure...
When the drunken chimp of a boss makes an
airplane out of your slip and flies it right into
the waste bin and tells you it's your fault for
not getting your lunch in and to stfu,GTFO
of his office and don't let it happen again or
he'll SPAR you...
I can't wait until the tact teams,bike teams and other personal get a downtown protest,wilding and the hours are extended into overtime ...sorry boss I have to go into the station and swipe I'm on overtime.
Let’s show how many merit sergeants were late everyday or didn’t swipe .
Now Caps ,review , people at headquarters should be required to swipe in and out .
Does Rahm swipe or the 50 part time aldermen ??????
RIP police work. Didn't think morale could get any lower, oops never mind it can! Looks like father pfleger is the only one left to stop crime!
Thankfully I max out in 8 months but I ask do we have a window on swiping in at the beginning of our tour or do we swipe in sometime during the tour. My understanding is that CFD swipes in only but IDK if it’s with in a certain time frame.
Don’t sgts get OT everyday??
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Swiping in isn’t that big of a deal, get to work on time like an adult. You have to be at work on time every day in the private sector believe it or not.
7/23/2018 12:35:00 AM
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Amen to this! Retired now, but in private industry I swiped for 20 years and no big deal. Had to or the door stayed locked. Plus I never expected the company to pay for a minute of my commute time to or from regardless of circumstances. Figured that's on me.
I can't believe the amount of whining over this issue. Swiping is everywhere. CPD isn't being singled out.
There is no reason to only swipe after OT---it should be in and out every tour, very unit.
Ever see nonCPD civilians swiping in station because they aren't starting/ending day in specific location---they are held to higher standard and mange to comply.
HQ knows we will face backlash and scrutiny for this half-ass roll out...and expect stories about how lack of accountability is nourished by such whimsical edicts- as swipe in ---but not out.
Am wondering what the public will think once the media reports on how we are not swiping out after our tour --and we aren't working 9 hours because of the shift overlap....if we are "lucky" they expose Fenner (and/or any Lt) for their abbreviated tours (okay not likely- but they are the biggest "duck" offenders).
Oh no! Whatever will tact teams and units do about late starts!? And poor fto’s, you might actually have to stay late for your bs dor’s?! Most of you barely got any time on the job to begin with, get your pick of car and start time, and manage to subtly screw over everyone else on the watch. Might as well stay late and perform the job you signed up for.
Anonymous said...
I was talking with another copper who brought up a valid point regarding FTO's and swiping. If we are to swipe out only for overtime, does this mean FTO's would have to swipe out at 1630 if, for example, they work 0700-1600? If an FTO is filling out an overtime slip for that .75, ideally for completing a DOR, then he is essentially stating he worked overtime and now he must swipe out. If you're an FTO, I wouldn't listen to anybody that tells you, "then just don't swipe out for that". If you're handing in an overtime slip, you better swipe out. I would not trust the Department to not make an issue out of you handing in OT slips without swiping. They're having a hard time getting people to be FTO's as it is, imagine if this is true.
7/23/2018 01:01:00 AM
First off, they fill out a slip for .50, not .75. Secondly, FTP's swipe in like everyone else. It's part of their agreement.
Lock her ass up:
Lawsuit: IPRA investigator told to lie to make police shooting look unjustified
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/lawsuit-ipra-investigator-told-lie-make-police-shooting-look-unjustified/
Excerpt:Also mentioned throughout the lawsuit, but not named as a defendant, is Lori Lightfoot, the former Police Board president now challenging Mayor Rahm Emanuel for his job. The complaint alleges that Lightfoot, in December 2015, told then-IPRA head Scott Ando she “wanted to fire that motherf—er Lett.”
Specifically, Fairley allegedly “ordered Lett to lie in his reports that a gun was planted on the victim by the officers involved in the shooting.” The lawsuit says “Lett protested and refused to do so because he had no evidence to support that finding.”
*Oh boy lying lightfoot and lying fairley not surprised and sharon resigned is this liar getting any cash still from the corrupt city?
I remember a former attempt at swiping. Yep. Didn't work. New ID cards were only available during days.... they didn't want to pay me overtime to go to headquarters to get a new ID card since I worked midnites.....so no swiping. Another incident was the lack of places to swap. Ohhh, yeah! Call 4data and they don't answer the phone. Sgt. doesn't want to deal with the problem so says don't worry about it until paper comes down. People were more likely to swap as they came into the building and then lollied to get to roll call.... after all, they were on time for the swipe, and since the swap ere busy doing "work".
Remember, swipe front to back! 😬
If everyone decides not to swipe there is nothing they could do! The program should fail. The problem is everyone sticking together. It’s the only way to make things happen since we have a no strike clause.
It's all legit. Best part of the order is that a Commander or unit CO. can write a to from to exempt the chosen ones from swiping.
This is just the start. Swiping OUT for everyone will be coming! There are to many early duckers, especially in the admin section, both patrol and D units. Productivity and manpower wasted due to only working 1/4 to half days. If they were forced to work full days they would only need half the bodies they have now...
Let's get that consent decree done quickly bad police:
44 shot — 7 killed — over weekend of Chicago gun violence
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/44-shot-6-killed-weekend-chicago-gun-violence/
You think its bad now? It will get so much worse under democratic leadership! All the blood,death,violence this is directly caused by the lack of any skills from the democratic leadership,Prickwinkle,Foxx,Darts,and of course "crazy Toni" and no marches by flaky,jesse,and no linking arms with Eddie closing down expressways,silence everywhere! Not so funny when its "your fambly" who gets gunned down now is it? The CEOs listed above if they ran any company,they would of all been thrown on quickly on their asses,for failure to protect employees! When you think about it,we are all "employees" of this regime,and yet we vote them back in again and again! They are driven around in armored gas guzzling SUVs,with armed coppers protecting them 24/7!
All the bloodshed citywide,spreading to the suburbs,the "element" is totally out of control off the chain they say,and so does everyone who is honest and law abiding,respectful of law and order!
“ There just aren't many bosses who might toss you an little extra for the ride home due to rampant stupidity of a few softballs.“
And there’s one of the problems with the CPD attitude. You’re not paid to drive to and from work, regardless of what “extra work” you might have to do “due to rampant stupidity of a few softballs” (the rest of the world calls this “extra work” a thing called “doing your job.”) You see, you signed up to be a cop knowing full well that sometimes this means a late arrest or whatever else goes beyond your shift. You don’t get extra pay for driving home just because you did your job.
If you do want to get paid for driving to and from work, I suggest being a state trooper or sheriff’s police, where you take your car home, using your agency’s gas, and can go 41/42 from your MDT, in your driveway. Also, their overtime IS pensionable. And despite signing on/off (the equivalent of swiping), they are hourly employees, just like you. If you are paid calculated overtime at the time and a half rate for anything more than 40 hours a work week, as CPD is, you are an hourly employee. Not salaried. It has nothing to do with whether or how you swipe in and out. You don’t get bonuses, you get overtime pay.
But the free money CPD has historically felt it is entitled to is what’s commonly referred to as graft, corruption, stealing, etc.
FYI there shouldn’t be ANY bosses who would “toss you a little extra.”
If you can't swipe it you must wipe it!
Willie Wilson be handin' out cash, while we be swiping. Somethin' aint right
Make Rahm and his aldercreatures swipe in and out as part of the deal, they won't push for it then. If only we had a me too clause for politicians
OT is pensionable.
Whatever part of payroll that gets deducted to go into your pension is a Fixed Percentage.
So since you are Paid Cash for OT unless you wanted Comp Time, the OT is added into your regular Pay and the total amount of your paycheck has the specific deductions taken, either pre or post tax.
And regarding 4DATA. You only call them if you get locked out of your email...
The people that have been crying about how OT isn't Pensionable are out of touch.
If you get paid...OT or Straight time, it has to be treated like Payroll. If the City hasn't been deducting State, Local, Federal from your OT so they can avoid the pension % deduction, the City has been Violating Federal LAW.
Thats what the Union Lawyers should be looking at.
Follow Up:
Swiping isn't the end of the world for the Honest Employee.
The Early Ducks and Late Starters are going to be trackable more now.
Because if the Timekeeper is "Ordered" to alter someone swipe time, it is traceable now.
CATA edits are required by 95% of the rest of the city if you take any time off (Vacation Time, Personal Day, Paid Sick Days), if you start late or early quit, or if you do OT.
CATA Edits are going to replace whatever it is that you guys and gals use right now for OT paper....and they are to ge sent from the respective employee to the UNIT Timekeeper And their immediate supervisor. This is all going to be traceable via email and Department of Information Technology as well Personnel, Human Resources or whatever you call it at CPD.
And in case you haven't looked at a swiping machine lately...
They are Bio-Metric. Your Handprint and your ID Card Swipe or manual ID Card # input.
There is no way to trick the machines.
So if it's not connected to payroll, where does it go and what's it's purpose. If you are late does it affect anything? If you don't swipe due to CU does it reflect that? Are the sheets downloaded somewhere the same way it's given to OEMC? sSo many question
was talking with another copper who brought up a valid point regarding FTO's and swiping. If we are to swipe out only for overtime, does this mean FTO's would have to swipe out at 1630 if, for example, they work 0700-1600? If an FTO is filling out an overtime slip for that .75, ideally for completing a DOR, then he is essentially stating he worked overtime and now he must swipe out. If you're an FTO, I wouldn't listen to anybody that tells you, "then just don't swipe out for that". If you're handing in an overtime slip, you better swipe out. I would not trust the Department to not make an issue out of you handing in OT slips without swiping. They're having a hard time getting people to be FTO's as it is, imagine if this is true.
7/23/2018 01:01:00 AM
Anonymous --
Same would apply to the Sergeant's 45 min per day that they're not there for
"They play their games, we play ours". My activity is sure to go up on this one, NOT!!!
No one should be opposed to this. Anyone that claims otherwise was/is still part of the OT scam
-- Everyone that scammed the the OT back in the day are now all retired or promoted. If there is any scam going on it's not happening with the blue shirts in patrol that's for sure. You get stuck with a late arrest and the supervisors are standing over your shoulder with a stop watch.
With all the violence maybe we should shut down the Ryan and March.
This job my friend isn't a time clock profession!!!!!!
plenty of departments have been doing this for years. Big deal clock in. If your not stupid your not going to be doing OT anyway.
Clock in like any other shitty job then leave.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
It's all legit. Best part of the order is that a Commander or unit CO. can write a to from to exempt the chosen ones from swiping.
7/23/2018 12:13:00 PM
Actually, no they can't. Since Swiping is now a Department wide Policy and not a Pilot Program...
No one is able to exempt someone from it Legally.
Anonymous --
Same would apply to the Sergeant's 45 min per day that they're not there for
%%%%%%
Sgts get the half hour because they are required to keep their radio on during their lunch while PO's can turn it off. Contractual.
Finally they have to acknowledge the horrible conditions at near north training location. Calloway ignored this for years.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/emanuel-ordered-osha-violations-shuttered-school-police-fire-training/
Sgts get a rank credit, not overtime. It's a way of increasing pay with making count toward the pension and overtime caclculations. They only have to work four hours to get it.
“ There just aren't many bosses who might toss you an little extra for the ride home due to rampant stupidity of a few softballs.“
And there’s one of the problems with the CPD attitude. You’re not paid to drive to and from work, regardless of what “extra work” you might have to do “due to rampant stupidity of a few softballs” (the rest of the world calls this “extra work” a thing called “doing your job.”) You see, you signed up to be a cop knowing full well that sometimes this means a late arrest or whatever else goes beyond your shift. You don’t get extra pay for driving home just because you did your job.
If you do want to get paid for driving to and from work, I suggest being a state trooper or sheriff’s police, where you take your car home, using your agency’s gas, and can go 41/42 from your MDT, in your driveway. Also, their overtime IS pensionable. And despite signing on/off (the equivalent of swiping), they are hourly employees, just like you. If you are paid calculated overtime at the time and a half rate for anything more than 40 hours a work week, as CPD is, you are an hourly employee. Not salaried. It has nothing to do with whether or how you swipe in and out. You don’t get bonuses, you get overtime pay.
But the free money CPD has historically felt it is entitled to is what’s commonly referred to as graft, corruption, stealing, etc.
FYI there shouldn’t be ANY bosses who would “toss you a little extra.”
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Made some solid points until that last part. This goes beyond CPD dumbass. It’s called being a leader, taking care of your workers. An early duck here or there, holding a slip etc goes a long way toward morale. Read a book on leadership sometime you might learn something
SCC who wrote this article? The author may pad his or her slips , but in my entire 28 year carrier I have never padded my slips . Also, I have never witnessed any of my courageous and hard working co-workers do so. The article should be taken down immediately for it is based on rumors and not fact !
“Anonymous Anonymous said...
Swiping in isn’t that big of a deal, get to work on time like an adult. You have to be at work on time every day in the private sector believe it or not.
7/23/2018 12:35:00 AM
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If you think that's what this is about, "getting to work on time" then you are clueless. This job is thankless and the command staff doesn't make it any better. Now a job that is salaried requires you to punch in???? This job my friend isn't a time clock profession!!!!!! I'm sickened by the command staff pandering to City Hall's every whim. Ridiculous.”
Hey genius, nobody said this job isn’t thankless. Also, it is about getting to work on time, of course there is the occasional issue that pops up, child care, car trouble, etc, but I am talking about the people who show up late day after damn day and nothing is done about it and other people have to cover their jobs for them. Now quit crying like a little girl and swipe that card friend. People like you are the ones who ruined any OT or early ducks for everyone else. You aren’t special.
Sgts get the half hour because they are required to keep their radio on during their lunch while PO's can turn it off. Contractual
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Indeed contractual but please don’t be the person who’s enjoying their lunch while a PO might need immediate assistance two doors down. RO could have helped but his radio was off per contract agreement. Contract or not always help each other out because that’s all we have now.
Forever Blue shirt.
Good idea !! Long over do 8 hrs. pay for 8 hrs. work !!!!
FYI there shouldn’t be ANY bosses who would “toss you a little extra.”
7/23/2018 02:35:00 PM
Blow it out your ass
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Thankfully I max out in 8 months but I ask do we have a window on swiping in at the beginning of our tour or do we swipe in sometime during the tour. My understanding is that CFD swipes in only but IDK if it’s with in a certain time frame.
7/23/2018 10:18:00 AM
read the order
pretty self explanatory
“Oh you poor little millenials. Learn to get to work, be in uniform and be at roll call on time. Figure out how to get to work on time without blaming everyone else. Try working at Ford Motor where you need to get to the assembly line on time, stay there until break time and lunch time without walking off to get your free big gulp.poor babies are all rattled, act like adults and do your job.“
Yup, because it’s the young kids with no time on the job that are “all rattled” and doing a majority of the complaining. Riiiiiight. Love old timers like you who continue to generalize about an entire generation of people. Lots of millennials in their 30’s now. Who did several tours overseas, saw combat, and are currently on the job. Must be those “poor babies” you’re talking about. Yup, those millennial combat vets who just can’t seem to get through the day without their free big gulps. Fuck those combat vet millennials, they never had to work an assembly line like you, they can’t be a real man like you. Must be those “poor babies” you’re referring to. But I’m sure you’re the ultimate badass. Go from call to call, making stops in between calls, and on your lunch you rush over to the assembly line and throw a few vehicles together real quick before you get to humpin some more. Some of us “poor babies” have seen and done things that would probably leave you crying in a pile of goo. And big gulps? What the fuck are you even talking about man?
Swiping has been being implemented since 1996. It will never work. I give it 2 weeks as always.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/emanuel-ordered-osha-violations-shuttered-school-police-fire-training/
I wonder why this is finallty being looked at now. I have to believe the officers at near north know theyre losing their spot when the building is gone and just now decided to file a complaint. It has been known for years that the school was full of lead, asbestos and god knows whatever other dangerous items. We were instructed not to drink the water from the fountain.
It’ll be interesting to see how Rham tackles this issue. If you investigate it and find all these issues exist (which we know they do) it’s all public and possibly open to lawsuits. My guess? Rham claims he cares for the well-being of officers, is concerned about the building, and immediately is removing all training from the building
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Why did they cut Social Security for us when they now want to cap and cut the pension?
7/23/2018 03:21:00 AM
Ask your Union!
The floggings will continue until morale improves.
Now we can switch off swiping each others cards when someone needs to leave early!
Is Wheezie swiping? She’s seldom around for anything close to eight hours.....
"you sound like a clown...you must be a company man...well let me tell you something clown it wasn't a scam it was a reward for cops doing a good job going over and beyond the call of duty to do a good job! clearing cases"
----Spoken like a truly "special" unit member. So special that you think you earned, and deserve "rewards" for doing your fucking job. "going over and beyond", hehe.
Listen dummy, your "rewards" were a gift, not gauranteed, and subject to end whenever your generous supervisor moves on..or, in this case, when you have to swipe out.
It’s the old timers bitching! All I hear is “this is bs” or “back in the day” and “ I can’t wsit to leave this place”. Us new people accept it.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Oh you poor little millenials. Learn to get to work, be in uniform and be at roll call on time. Figure out how to get to work on time without blaming everyone else. Try working at Ford Motor where you need to get to the assembly line on time, stay there until break time and lunch time without walking off to get your free big gulp.poor babies are all rattled, act like adults and do your
They just keep doing everything they can to make us give up. They really hate the Police and all who do the job.
welcome to the club...water-36 years
Anonymous Anonymous said...
“ There just aren't many bosses who might toss you an little extra for the ride home due to rampant stupidity of a few softballs.“
And there’s one of the problems with the CPD attitude. You’re not paid to drive to and from work, regardless of what “extra work” you might have to do “due to rampant stupidity of a few softballs” (the rest of the world calls this “extra work” a thing called “doing your job.”) You see, you signed up to be a cop knowing full well that sometimes this means a late arrest or whatever else goes beyond your shift. You don’t get extra pay for driving home just because you did your job.
If you do want to get paid for driving to and from work, I suggest being a state trooper or sheriff’s police, where you take your car home, using your agency’s gas, and can go 41/42 from your MDT, in your driveway. Also, their overtime IS pensionable. And despite signing on/off (the equivalent of swiping), they are hourly employees, just like you. If you are paid calculated overtime at the time and a half rate for anything more than 40 hours a work week, as CPD is, you are an hourly employee. Not salaried. It has nothing to do with whether or how you swipe in and out. You don’t get bonuses, you get overtime pay.
But the free money CPD has historically felt it is entitled to is what’s commonly referred to as graft, corruption, stealing, etc.
FYI there shouldn’t be ANY bosses who would “toss you a little extra.”
7/23/2018 02:35:00 PM
Boy, you sound like you would be really fun to party with. What fast food chain do you sling burgers at? You sure as shit ain't no copper. Take it easy Captain Self-Righteous. What you refer to as graft or stealing I prefer to call 'tips.' It's how the real world works. Not just with metropolitan police departments but all over. If you don't like it then stay in your little Fantasyland and play with your Widget.
Is CFD swiping in and out? Me too my ass!!!
I cannot wait until everyone swipes out at the end of their shift, too. Finally everyone outside of patrol will work a full tour. Bring on the change!
I used my wallet instead of my hand and it worked just fine
Anonymous --
Same would apply to the Sergeant's 45 min per day that they're not there for
%%%%%%
Sgts get the half hour because they are required to keep their radio on during their lunch while PO's can turn it off. Contractual.
NEWS FLASH...
Name 1 P.O that shuts his radio the entire time while on lunch except for you. I know that while working in the ghetto district my entire career that never happened.
So can we throw some of those useless sworn members out of the civilian timekeeper’s spot now? They’ should be replaced by the time clock.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
If everyone decides not to swipe there is nothing they could do! The program should fail. The problem is everyone sticking together. It’s the only way to make things happen since we have a no strike clause.
7/23/2018 12:10:00 PM
Quit talking like an idiot
Andrew Petersen said...
OT is pensionable.
Whatever part of payroll that gets deducted to go into your pension is a Fixed Percentage.
So since you are Paid Cash for OT unless you wanted Comp Time, the OT is added into your regular Pay and the total amount of your paycheck has the specific deductions taken, either pre or post tax.
And regarding 4DATA. You only call them if you get locked out of your email...
The people that have been crying about how OT isn't Pensionable are out of touch.
If you get paid...OT or Straight time, it has to be treated like Payroll. If the City hasn't been deducting State, Local, Federal from your OT so they can avoid the pension % deduction, the City has been Violating Federal LAW.
Thats what the Union Lawyers should be looking at.
7/23/2018 03:32:00 PM
Hey Drew Petersen... It's actually an IL state LAW which states police overtime isn't pension able. It's called "The Police Pension Act"... (go figure)...
Go read!!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Of course the clouted will still get taken care of. The order states that the Commander will have a list of “exempts” from the swiping program. Why? Because their bitches need to be taken care of. Ghost payroll still will exist upstairs. Will they post that list? How many “non-office” P.O.s will be on this list? Why do they even need this list? Fuck the swiping system. COPA and the IG want it and we have to cater to them at the drop of a hat? Get the fuck out of here! If you’re swiping, you’re giving into the liberals asking for it.
Office people should be required to swipe in and out. Easy to do for them. Hell, they have the easiest jobs and get to duck or work abfeviated tours. Nothing has changed for the clouted or the chosen. Same as usual
Anonymous said...
Does Rahm swipe or the 50 part time aldermen ??????
7/23/2018 10:00:00 AM
Excellent point!! Those alderman should be doing the same!
Anonymous said...
Oh you poor little millenials. Learn to get to work, be in uniform and be at roll call on time. Figure out how to get to work on time without blaming everyone else. Try working at Ford Motor where you need to get to the assembly line on time, stay there until break time and lunch time without walking off to get your free big gulp.poor babies are all rattled, act like adults and do your job.
7/23/2018 09:04:00 AM
Look at you Mr Hard Charger...
If you know anything about the auto workers... You'd know they get paid when the company slows down production and they sit in the break room for 8 hours. Or how about all those that were caught drinking and smoking weed on their lunch breaks and were all given their jobs back by a judge...
Way to compare... Can I drink on my 30 minute unpaid lunch? EAT A D!!!
7/23/2018 04:36:00 PM
Wrong, sits don't fill out slips like FTO's do. Pass a harder test.
detectives will still be relaxing at home while on the clock
Swiper... no swiping!
Even Dora gets it
Of course payroll will h attached. Why do you think they are doing it. To stop inflated hours. But fail to see logic of not punching out.
7/23/2018 04:36:00 AM
The one swipe idea is because they want you to get used to the machine and accept it as part of your every-working day routine. Then suddenly, one day, they will tell you to swipe in and out. Boy, they are pretty slick. NOT!
Anyone see the picture in the Suntimes of the female (possibly detective) wearing checkered shoes? How is that business casual? No wonder why Area North is so screwed up. Area North is the "002nd District of D-Unit"
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Calm down. She’s a college student intern. There are two of them at A/N on 3rd watch. Sometimes they go out on jobs with detectives.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Has anyone filled out a (second) slip for missing their 30-minute lunch due to a late arrest?
7/23/2018 01:09:00 AM
Oh sure...
When the drunken chimp of a boss makes an
airplane out of your slip and flies it right into
the waste bin and tells you it's your fault for
not getting your lunch in and to stfu,GTFO
of his office and don't let it happen again or
he'll SPAR you...
7/23/2018 09:43:00 AM
As to the first post, there is no second slip. If you work an 8.5 hour day there is a 30 minute UNPAID lunch added to make it a 9 hour day. If you are not allowed to take your lunch that 30 minutes becomes overtime and is added to whatever other overtime you have to do that day. For example, if you are denied your lunch and work 1 hour of overtime and you get off officially at 2200, then your slip would reflect that your overtime started at 2130 and ended at at 2300. You just include in the explanation that you were denied your lunch. If your timekeeper is requiring 2 slips than they don't know what they are doing.
As to the second post, all cars have an assigned lunch period. The premise is so that everyone has a chance to get them in, to avoid cars being on lunch during shift change times, and so the whole watch isn't on lunch at the same time. Back in the days of humpers, sgts had to even log each cars lunch. Cars are generally allowed to take it whenever they want. This is actually a courtesy. But like most things, given a little courtesy or freedom with something and people will try to take advantage of it. If you habitually hold on to it to try to take it on the end and then complain about not getting it if things are busy then you should expect to get some push back. Both from the supervisors as well as your fellow officers because you are attempting to screw them over every time you do it. But, if you are backlogged or busy and denied your lunch during your shift you have a legitimate reason to claim that 30 minutes by putting in a slip. But only if you are not leaving earlier than your OFFICIAL end of tour. With a boss like you described, the best advice is to evaluate your overall situation and decide if it is worth it. Think about life "by the book" and if you have nothing left to loose, take it to an official grievance level. Some supervisors will push you around as much as you allow them to. Pick and choose your battles carefully but if there are a lot of them to pick from, then it might be worth picking them all.
Rahm is evil of all the evils tyrants in history. Remember he grinned and bragged when he totally fucked the old time retired people out of their heath plan. The man is without a soul and idiot Ed is his pawn. Just hope and pray that Sessions gets a cue and starts indicting these criminal in city hall, county build, Springfield, and assholes Ed' office.
When Blago gets out and Rahm gets indicted during the same time frame, the demo rats will be shitting bricks.
George Ryan, you should of gotten 20 years you prick. You opened the gates of hell letting out guilty murdering bastards.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous --
Same would apply to the Sergeant's 45 min per day that they're not there for
%%%%%%
Sgts get the half hour because they are required to keep their radio on during their lunch while PO's can turn it off. Contractual.
NEWS FLASH...
Name 1 P.O that shuts his radio the entire time while on lunch except for you. I know that while working in the ghetto district my entire career that never happened.
%%%%%%
Well moron, I didn't say everyone does it. I said that cops "can" do it. Sgts are "required" to keep it on. When I used to trust restaurants I used something called the "volume" control so i'm not disturbing other diners with all of your awesome chases for one-baggers and CTTL in the 'jets.
But the free money CPD has historically felt it is entitled to is what’s commonly referred to as graft, corruption, stealing, et
If that’s true then I grafted more time than I can possibly pay back by swiping from to the end of my career. My wallet thanks you.
Bring the change, it’s all good!
Can’t wait for Compstat when the next numbers plummet citywide.
Does this mean Melissa Staples can’t work from home like she did in 012.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Is Wheezie swiping? She’s seldom around for anything close to eight hours.....
7/23/2018 09:31:00 PM
She’s pretty good about being at the morning roll call. She likes reading the CO Book. What she does NOT like is hanging out in the 009 Dist W/Cs office after that. She goes “in the field” for a few ( maybe 8 hrs).
Hey Drew Petersen... It's actually an IL state LAW which states police overtime isn't pension able. It's called "The Police Pension Act"... (go figure)...
Go read!!!
7/23/2018 11:26:00 PM
Oh thats original. I only get that 10 times a week.
And on the other side of the coin, thank you for the quoted description. I somehow missed that the state of Illinois has some sort of metric in place that makes it legal to do that.
Mea Maxima Culpa.
Like you never made an error.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
If everyone decides not to swipe there is nothing they could do! The program should fail. The problem is everyone sticking together. It’s the only way to make things happen since we have a no strike clause.
7/23/2018 12:10:00 PM
Dude...stick to decaf.
I was talking to the 016 CAPS Sgt Monday around 3pm (yes, I am actually welcome in some district buildings).
I asked her if this was a Pilot program or if this was now Department wide Policy.
Its Department wide policy until it isn't.
Feel Free to Knowingly Violate a Department Policy by not swiping In. Give them an Easy to Prove Violation.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Now we can switch off swiping each others cards when someone needs to leave early!
7/23/2018 09:30:00 PM
Better steal their hand as well, since the Time Clock doesn't work without a Palm Print.
And with the sheer number of non-CPD city workers that use District Time Clocks to punch in and out every day, you know the Department is going to be checking the condition of them more often now than they used to.
FYI there shouldn’t be ANY bosses who would “toss you a little extra.”
7/23/2018 02:35:00 PM
Boy, you sound like you would be really fun to party with. What fast food chain do you sling burgers at? You sure as shit ain't no copper. Take it easy Captain Self-Righteous. What you refer to as graft or stealing I prefer to call 'tips.' It's how the real world works. Not just with metropolitan police departments but all over. If you don't like it then stay in your little Fantasyland and play with your Widget.
7/23/2018 10:26:00 PM
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I don’t know where the OP works but I am sheriff’s police and can say that he is right. We take our cars home and punch in and out from the squad. That’s how you get paid to drive to and from work and out the wear and tear and gas on their car, not yours. Also our “union jobs” which pay $40 - $60 an hour are calculated into our pension. We also get social security on top of our pension and can do a voluntary additional contribution of a max of 10% per paycheck that earns 7.5% interest in a separate account.
So in the real world you can make that money driving to and from work without stealing, which is what you are all trying to rationalize when your boss puts you in for time you didn’t work as a “reward” for doing your job. Giving employees money they did not earn is not a morale booster or taking care of your troops, rather it is leading by example as to how to continue a tradition of corruption, fraud, and theft. If the only way you know to reward a good cop is by paying him for time he didn’t work, you don’t belong in a supervisory or leadership position. You are a crook and a lazy POS. You can’t reward him by sending him to a weeklong training class that he wants? You can’t move him up the line for a new squad? You can’t help him with his late paper job and lead by example, so he isn’t stuck as late? You want to know why half the city hates you? It might be because they pay outrageous taxes fo finance your “tips” and your lawsuits.
All you people that think the whole world operates the way Chicago does and that it’s “normal” are the problem with your department. Please, tell us more about the “wood shampoo” and how all those abuse cases are working out for you financially.
There are no “tips” in police work. If you wanted a tip, you should have waited tables, which it sounds like you’re more qualified to do.
NEWS FLASH...
Name 1 P.O that shuts his radio the entire time while on lunch except for you. I know that while working in the ghetto district my entire career that never happened.
Bulllllllshit. When I first came on 20 years ago my first partner would turn that shit off everyday at lunch. He’s at ORD now.
It doesn’t matter what time you swipe in. Just as long as you swipe sometime during your tour. The 7 minutes befor/after is bullshit.
Sgts get the half hour because they are required to keep their radio on during their lunch while PO's can turn it off. Contractual.
7/23/2018 05:43:00 PM
And I thought that Sgts get the half hour because they have to stay after their tour to go through the case reports submitted by their people, before they could leave? Some Sgts would chew people out for turning in a report at check off! There was a Sgt that would get red faced mad if he had to go to the second side of a report to sign it. He was trying to use the same pen into retirement...
You can swipe 7 minutes before the start of shift or up to 7 minutes after the shift. I suggest you wait for roll call to start and as the Lieutenant is talking right at the 5 minute mark everyone get up and walk out so that you can swipe. Interrupting the flow, backlogging the radio room line, delaying the changing of watch process. Like McDonald's Slogan, I'm Lovin it. Another obstacle to deal with in the already chaotic life of a Police Officer. After dealing with an Officer Involved Shooting, by the way officer, good shoot, but did you swipe in this morning.
If we're not hourly employees, why is our furlough time/days calculated by the hour?
No camera's at the swipe locations, this is bullshit and everyone knows it............
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Swiper... no swiping!
Even Dora gets it
7/24/2018 12:42:00 AM
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That was awesome!
Sgts get the half hour because they are required to keep their radio on during their lunch while PO's can turn it off. Contractual.
Uhm unless you are attending court or a beat meeting you are required to keep your radio on.....even while you are on your 30 min unpaid lunch. Check the orders.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Everyone better get on board and vote Rahm out. This is directly linked to him. He has for the last few years saying he would do this. It’s not that we were cheating the system, but one more hassle.
Anyone but Rahm and Ed can Go too!
Anyone voted in as mayor would do the same thing, including Gary McCarthy. No one will take away the machines, unless they can say they don't work. But I think it's interesting there is no swiping out, unless on OT.
Rahm has a huge bodyguard detail because he is in danger , why don’t his bodyguards have video camera on 24/7 in case he is attacked ?
I had to swipe in/out for court today. What a joke
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Want to make tons of OT and make more than a commander? Learn how to do DUI'S. The highest paid in OT on this department are DUI writers, and the department can't do shit about it. They have tried for years but to no avail. You will be in court forever make tons of OT, and not in danger of being shot or sued.
Yes. This. It takes hours to do a DUI especially if it's an auto accident with injuries. And some DUI s are continued for a year before settling. And occasionally you catch some gangbangers or a man with a gun by doing dui , checking for man slumped over the wheel. And no one can say anything to you. The Daytime W/C never wanted to sign OT slips from midnites, so I am glad about swiping in and out for OT too. Make the job work for you.
TO: Hey Drew Petersen... It's actually an IL state LAW which states police overtime isn't pension able. It's called "The Police Pension Act"... (go figure)...
Go read!!!
Well I know lots of Troopers that work all kinds of OT in the end of their career because it IS Pensionable. Actually know a could that have taken the bump down form MSgt to Sgt to make the OT and leave with at least a Lieutenant pension....
7/24/2018 06:56:00 AM
I cannot argue with you, it has been going on for way to long, the graft and the coppers getting taken acre of while others toil.
Same would apply to the Sergeant's 45 min per day that they're not there for
%%%%%%
Sgts get the half hour because they are required to keep their radio on during their lunch while PO's can turn it off. Contractual.
HahahaBULLSHIT
Boy, you sound like you would be really fun to party with. What fast food chain do you sling burgers at? You sure as shit ain't no copper. Take it easy Captain Self-Righteous. What you refer to as graft or stealing I prefer to call 'tips.' It's how the real world works. Not just with metropolitan police departments but all over. If you don't like it then stay in your little Fantasyland and play with your Widget.
7/23/2018 10:26:00 PM
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And right here, ladies and gentlemen, we have the crux of the problem. "What you refer to as graft or stealing, I prefer to call 'tips.'"
BULL. SHIT.
Doesn't matter whatever the hell YOU prefer to call it to try and relieve your conscience. A tip is freely given, not expected, not assumed, not taken illegally. Yeah, I said it dipshit. You're stealing. And on a bigger scale it lands people in prison.
How about grow the fuck up?
Good job, Rhambo! You are really showing us all that you are going to hold us accountable with this swiping in nonsense. Why even have roll call now? You should at least eliminate roll call while you’re at it, that way I don’t have to listen to new idiot coppers talk about all the police work they’ve been doing
The swipe machine don’t require a palm print. You just need to break the light. You can simply have your hand above the surface or put anything small in the machine such as your ID or wallet, etc. I have been swiping for months and refuse to touch the machines surface. That surface is gross.
All you people that think the whole world operates the way Chicago does and that it’s “normal” are the problem with your department. Please, tell us more about the “wood shampoo” and how all those abuse cases are working out for you financially.
There are no “tips” in police work. If you wanted a tip, you should have waited tables, which it sounds like you’re more qualified to do.
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Wow. There are so many things wrong with your long winded post that I don't even know where to begin. I'll just save myself some time and give you a "tip," of a different sort Sheriff. It took me all of three minutes to write my mocking comment and I can tell it probably took you about a half hour to write down your retort which you sadly think is profound. That is after you wrung your hands for a half hour and let your body swell up to the brim with Self-Righteous fury. Sucker! Lol. All it takes to get a pompous dork to waste his time responding to an obnoxious post is to have the right bait.
ymous said...
Boy, you sound like you would be really fun to party with. What fast food chain do you sling burgers at? You sure as shit ain't no copper. Take it easy Captain Self-Righteous. What you refer to as graft or stealing I prefer to call 'tips.' It's how the real world works. Not just with metropolitan police departments but all over. If you don't like it then stay in your little Fantasyland and play with your Widget.
7/23/2018 10:26:00 PM
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And right here, ladies and gentlemen, we have the crux of the problem. "What you refer to as graft or stealing, I prefer to call 'tips.'"
BULL. SHIT.
Doesn't matter whatever the hell YOU prefer to call it to try and relieve your conscience. A tip is freely given, not expected, not assumed, not taken illegally. Yeah, I said it dipshit. You're stealing. And on a bigger scale it lands people in prison.
How about grow the fuck up?
7/24/2018 04:16:00 PM
Lucky for me then that the statute of limitations has expired on my supposed thefts. You are clearly the one that is a dipshit if you think that my conscience is bothered one iota by me getting a padded slip ten years ago in one of the most corrupt, stupid cities in the entire country. Please contact someone regarding your poor mental health condition. It's people like you that end up on top of a tower, with a high powered rifle, once you realize that the world is a big, dark, scary place lol
Anonymous said...
You can swipe 7 minutes before the start of shift or up to 7 minutes after the shift. I suggest you wait for roll call to start and as the Lieutenant is talking right at the 5 minute mark everyone get up and walk out so that you can swipe. Interrupting the flow, backlogging the radio room line, delaying the changing of watch process. Like McDonald's Slogan, I'm Lovin it. Another obstacle to deal with in the already chaotic life of a Police Officer. After dealing with an Officer Involved Shooting, by the way officer, good shoot, but did you swipe in this morning.
7/24/2018 08:59:00 AM
You’re really need to get off the meds are you delusional you’re making it worse than what it is we have to punch in now that means that is what we are going to do simple as that cut the bullshit you’re not gonna do anything stupid otherwise you’ll end up without a job possibly losing your freedom getting charged with a crime just puncheon be happy you have a job!
10:25am......our furloughs are switched to hours because our shitty union agreed to it. Read your contract (it was signed off in a letter of understanding by the union and city)
I would rather swap than swipe!
Shitty Union? Try SEIU for corrections!
I don’t know where the OP works but I am sheriff’s police and can say that he is right. We take our cars home and punch in and out from the squad. That’s how you get paid to drive to and from work and out the wear and tear and gas on their car, not yours. Also our “union jobs” which pay $40 - $60 an hour are calculated into our pension. We also get social security on top of our pension and can do a voluntary additional contribution of a max of 10% per paycheck that earns 7.5% interest in a separate account.
So in the real world you can make that money driving to and from work without stealing, which is what you are all trying to rationalize when your boss puts you in for time you didn’t work as a “reward” for doing your job. Giving employees money they did not earn is not a morale booster or taking care of your troops, rather it is leading by example as to how to continue a tradition of corruption, fraud, and theft. If the only way you know to reward a good cop is by paying him for time he didn’t work, you don’t belong in a supervisory or leadership position. You are a crook and a lazy POS. You can’t reward him by sending him to a weeklong training class that he wants? You can’t move him up the line for a new squad? You can’t help him with his late paper job and lead by example, so he isn’t stuck as late? You want to know why half the city hates you? It might be because they pay outrageous taxes fo finance your “tips” and your lawsuits.
All you people that think the whole world operates the way Chicago does and that it’s “normal” are the problem with your department. Please, tell us more about the “wood shampoo” and how all those abuse cases are working out for you financially.
There are no “tips” in police work. If you wanted a tip, you should have waited tables, which it sounds like you’re more qualified to do.
7/24/2018 06:56:00 AM
This do-gooder probably just got off probation. Give him about 6 more years, he'll get it. Or maybe his uncle is one of Dart's precinct captains.
Hope they fix it before I retire in a year
Retired 14 years ago as a union member w a manager title from a City department that began swiping in, and out, a year or two before I left. The swipe pressures about KRONOS & CATA were high. LOL, I may need professional help: now & then I still have nightmares about losing my ID and being unable to swipe. Then I wake up and, oh joy, it was just a dream.
sergeants that work in CAPS Office , Police Headquarters , Homan Square also receive 45 minutes a day OT and quarterly checks . Unlike District Beat and Tactical Sergeants , they do not have a radio on at lunch or any other time during their shift . Also they do not report 20 minutes before roll call and spend a half hour after check off signing reports .
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