Good Doggie?
A story about what is being billed as the first time a Chicago Police canine has sniffed out evidence that was later used in DNA testing to tie someone to a crime.
Now don't get us wrong - canines are an excellent asset. They can sniff out dope, money, hidden criminals or corpses, and it is amusing as hell to see someone try to out run a dog when they're hiding in the weeds and the handler gives the command "Find them!" That by itself is worth the price of admission.
But is this really news? A decent cordon of coppers searching gangways with flashlights probably could have turned up this "do-rag" with the mook's DNA on it. The only question is, would the coppers have recognized it as evidence? Because if there is one thing that this department is sorely lacking in, it's evidence recognition skills. ESPECIALLY in light of recent scientific progress in isolating and identifying DNA profiles.
Any other opinions? Any detectives want to weigh in on evidence collection?
Now don't get us wrong - canines are an excellent asset. They can sniff out dope, money, hidden criminals or corpses, and it is amusing as hell to see someone try to out run a dog when they're hiding in the weeds and the handler gives the command "Find them!" That by itself is worth the price of admission.
But is this really news? A decent cordon of coppers searching gangways with flashlights probably could have turned up this "do-rag" with the mook's DNA on it. The only question is, would the coppers have recognized it as evidence? Because if there is one thing that this department is sorely lacking in, it's evidence recognition skills. ESPECIALLY in light of recent scientific progress in isolating and identifying DNA profiles.
Any other opinions? Any detectives want to weigh in on evidence collection?
posted by SCC at 9:46 AM
44 Comments:
Good florida tazing on video. The link was on that british copper's website.
http://www.jokaroo.com/extremevideos/policetazer.html
But to stay on topic I think that the racist police dog planted that do-rag. "If it doesn't fit you must acquit"
It is a good thing that Johnny Cochran died horribly and slowly from stomach cancer or he could have gotten this guy off too.
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NO he wouldn't have. If you don't have the cash, you won't get Johny's flash!
Plenty of eyeball witnesses and circumstantial evidence placed offender and his bandana at scene, otherwise presence of bandana alone might not have been significant. Maybe Gibson can appeal directly to George Ryan, Eric Zorn, and Sister Helen Prejean. Save yourself VOTE MCCAIN!!!!
This is typical City and Police Department B/S. What about the beat Oficers that arrived on scene,conducted the preliminary, the canvass and protected the crime scene? Didn't they do a good job? And what about the Detectives that investigated this? Didn't they do a good job? But who gets the credit? A dog! Now I love dogs but why can't the people that should get credit for a job well done get credit? The only positive I see is that at least they didn't say this case was solved because of CAPS!
Wow florida had typical mules too! We would get fired here.
Just like not every P.O. will arrest a mule for murder in his/her career, not all K-9's come across a great success story. A good canine receives credit and is recongnized will previuos recoveries under the "collar". That being of dope,money,traps in vehicles,murder offenders, A mule wanted for aggravated battery to a Police Officer hiding under a porch. A handler or canine can not work well without the other. Just like a hard working Copper we do it day in and day out, it goes unoticed. Its not the paper or ribbion, its the achivement for the hunt of a criminal. Who for the momment will not offend/victimize one of our friends/family members.
I write this as I sit he retired CPD and credit my life to a L.S.P. Trooper and his K-9. I was unconscious in the dead of winter and disarmed, while hunting a fleeing felon.
Yes the DOG deserves credit
As poster 11:32 stated guys No one is belittling the P.O.'s on the scence, but you have to admit, how many of todays young P.O.'s would have know to "PROTECT" that bandana until E.T. or crime lab could process it. You have to admit, our K-9 unit is SOOOOO under used for eveything in this city. Why don't more people call for them. I remember a few years ago on the west side, a chase man w/gun wanted for on view shooting, The dispatcher asked the onscene Sgt. if he wanted the dogs. The Sgt. replied "WHY SQD?" Lets see, its night time out, Nitwitt threw the gun somewhere during the foot chase..Oh I dont know, maybe the K-9 could find the gun in the bushes,trees , whatever especially at night! I am not a K-9 handler, but I have seen these guys/gals with their k-9 partners do some great things. Guys/Gals don't be affraid to call the dogs out. That is their job to support us in the Patrol Div. Thanks and be safe out there everyone, WHERE YOUR SEATBELTS!
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A number of years back there were shots fired at and by the police at Pulaski and Monroe. The offender was caught on Van Buren but no one could find his gun. Along comes Canine Duke (I am not sure about his name)who finds the gun in a gangway we'd been through 10 times.
Give them the respect they deserve.
hey old man (CPD) what happen to you? How did state police get involved in the incident!!!!!
Thats a gooood booooy!! Gooooood Booooooy!!!!! I agree, the dogs should be called out more, we have a great resource in them, USE THEM!!!!!! Goooood booooy!!!!!
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Response to 12:48
I went on a call of theft from boxcars. Years ago around Acher Ave just south of I-55 about 33rd and Damen. Got into foot chase with m/1 on the railroad tracks. After losing him, he jumped from between the cars as i stepped back I fell down the embackment with him coming after me. I was knocked unconscious from the fall. lost my gun and radio/disarmed. It was snowing so hard you couldn't see very much maybe 10/20 ft.
When I woke up in the hospital my son was there. He told me that a state trooper with his K-9 found me after about 30 mins or so. It was very cold when it happened about 0200 on midnites. I dislcated my knee broke my ankle which was nearly severd.
My gun and dept. radio was found by a building engineer in a utility room in stateway gardens project complex 38th federal.
The piece of shit mutt tore up my jacket pretty good, but was unable to get my star off. I always had a problem with the clasp on the back of the star from having it in my wallet. It was stiff and bent up.
Never found the mutt.
A K-9 unit is worth 10 beat cops. And it don't eat all the donuts or go out and get drunk every night.
ATTENTION: Use that PDT! Go to menu hit EQ enter a time and district. Now see the pending jobs. You can now do a street stop or say your assisting someone else to avoid that job on your beat. It works, hey maybe we can then go shopping at the new Walmart in 025.
Hey can they still use the race card on a dog?
First off, congrats to Rick King and his partner PSD "Denny". Great job!
It doesn't surprise me that the K9 team hit on the scent of the bandana. Working with other resources in the Department - Detectives, Forensics, etc., they were able to put the pieces in place to identify a subject near a crime scene and ultimately charge an offender and clear a homicide case. What surprises me is that the CPD finds this so astonishing.
Properly trained and properly deployed K9 teams would be making "finds" like this much more often.
We have some great K9 teams working in this city. Like other members in this Department, some excel better than others, due to their personal commitment to excellence in performance.
I have said it for years... our K9 program needs a much more comprehensive training and in-service training program that is both practical and realistic in the operational environment they are required to work in.
I am sure that the personnel assigned to the K9 unit do the very best they can, with what they are given to work with. They do some great work out there. I would like to see them become even more successful.
The city is spending a lot of money to fund a K9 unit. I believe they could be getting a much better return on their investment if they would make a commitment to organizational excellence with their K9 unit. That commitment requires comprehensive training on almost a daily basis in the operational environment.
From tactical operations to community policing, the city could be doing so much more with this great law enforcement tool that they are already paying for.
On that shitty 25 to Life garbage read crimefile's post from the other day!
http:crimefilenews.blogsopt.com
Hubel has the right idea.
I'm surprised our K9's can find anything....I have seen Personally...our K9's miss dope purposely placed in open ash trays of cars...and go right over it....I'm talking...weed, and crack....I have used the State K9's before and they did great jobs...because they work those dogs a lot more often than our guys too....and they are certified once a year they go through vigerous certification course in Springfield for a week...including night training and blackout training...they have a maze that they use to work the dogs in almost complete darkness...pretty cool to watch...our dogs work by the airport and plenty of distractions for them there...our dogs need better facilities to train because that facility sucks.
Anonymous said...
A number of years back there were shots fired at and by the police at Pulaski and Monroe. The offender was caught on Van Buren but no one could find his gun. Along comes Canine Duke (I am not sure about his name)who finds the gun in a gangway we'd been through 10 times.
Give them the respect they deserve.
2/19/2006 12:25:20 PM
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How can a K9 find a gun?
As a detective in Area 4 and been personally involved in the case I assure you we appriciate "Deny" the dog for his efforts. The dog did a great job, but lets not forget the police here.
The beat cars, Crime lab, and dets can all be proud of their work. One less shithead on the street.
Guys, in no way do I wish to diminish what this dog did. I know the handler and he's a great guy and I would imagine his dog is one of the best. Together they did a great job. But what about the Police Officers and Detectives that did an equally good job? How come they haven't been singled out? What about the guy that had the good idea of calling canine to begin with? Why isn't HE singled out. There is some OUTSTANDING police work done in the City EVERY SINGLE DAY by POLICE OFFICERS. Yet when a big case is solved or something good is done, it seems as if everybody in the world gets credit for it except the guys that actually did it. The City tries to say that the case was solved or an arrest was made because of CAPS,the community or a thousand other bizarre reasons but the truth is that those things were accomplished because of the hard work and ability of the guys that toil in the trenches, not for the reasons the City claims. And now we honor a dog. God bless the dog, but what about the troops?
As far as utilizing the dogs, I agree, we don't use them enough and I encourage my people to call them whenever they can. I've seen them find a gun that we could not even though we walked and searched the same area several times before, as a previous poster mentioned. I think in certain situations it's much much better to just call for the dogs, sit back and wait for them to show as opposed to having 10-15 P.O's searching for somebody or something that one dog could accomplish all by himself.
How about if we put all dogs out instead of cops? Just think, no office politics, no race card, no pulling rank, etc. At roll, have bowls of Purina and milkbones.
"How can a K9 find a gun?"
They can smell the gun powder thats still on the gun. The gun was just fired,so it had gun powder in the barrel still. Also maybe the human scent on it still.
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I posted earlier on this thread. I did mention that K9's contribution to this particular case was one piece in putting the case together. While I mentioned the Detectives and Forensics, I neglected to mention the beat officers and the many others who played perhaps small but very significant roles in helping to put this case together.
To ALL that worked together on this case... my hat is off of each of you. I thank the A/4 Detective that posted here to remind us that it's was a TEAM effort. This is a case we can all be proud of.
Sorry this is off the thread. Can any of you 16th district guys tell me how is the neighborhood around 4932 N Leonard? Is it near section 8 or whatever its called?
You all think you have it so bad. I took down a poodle last night, only to get into hot water saying I was profiling because I'm a Shepard K9. See, it just won't stop.
woof
No you didn't change the thread. That was O'Grady/Lefty/Malcom who changed it. That guy never cares what we're talking about, as long as he can pull out his pathetic little pecker and wave it at the Republicans, he is happy. He must have had a sad life before this board.
I don't possess those names. I really want to know about the surroundings on Leonard street.
We should utilize the dogs more. In fact, there is a study going on now at 35th & Michigan, in which most of the exempts and supervisors can be replaced by dogs. Only those under the rank of sergeant would remain human, as long as they knew how to utilize common sense. Imagine the DOC meetings looking like one of those pictures with the dogs playing poker! Or imagine a group of exempts, sitting around sniffing each others' butts.
Oh, well, let your imagination run on this one.
there is no 4900 block of Leonard
If a yellow, black, and chocolate lab were all up for a spot in K9, which one would bitch the most if it didn't get it?
Well just follow the guide lines of the standards of the dept now...
Black of course on "Merit" would get it. Chocolate would get it on exempt position for having a fine/sweet tight ass! Since he is Yellow and has no back bone to speak up for himself, yellow would be left guarding the juckyard!!!
There is a 4932 North Leonoard
K9s get stressed out too. . . I hear one ran away from his residence in Auburn Gresham neighborhood today. PO handler sent a lookout on Citywide.
We should utilize the dogs more. In fact, there is a study going on now at 35th & Michigan, in which most of the exempts and supervisors can be replaced by dogs.
Yeah' I can see me standing at roll call now,the sgt's humping my leg,while the Lt's sniffing my partners butt."PRICELESS"
When the guns were found in the Marquette Park lagoon, why was an ET not sent to pick them up? Why did the beat car take them to Fillmore? Would this be a chain of evidence issue if one of these guns came back from a previous murder?
I bet there are a lot of CPD canines out there that have sniffed out evidence, such as a cap, shirt, or jacket the bad guy has lost or taken off and tossed during a footchase. Let's give kudos (and a well-deserved steak to the K9) to TEAM WORK!!! A K9 handler that can "read" his dog, evidence preserved by the cops on scene (and not tossed into the nearest garbage can), and an excellent job by Forensics and Detectives desrves recognition for a job well done. Seems as though a lot of cops doubt the ability of a K9 until a K9 does something awesome like find a bad guy in a building despite the fact six or more cops have already searched the building OR the K9 finds the gun in 10 minutes after the beat car has already looked for 40 minutes OR narcotics found by a K9 on a search warrant after the place has been tossed by the entry team. Don't use K9 as a last resort! Request K9, stop going into buildings and yards and set up a perimeter. The K9's nose knows. It is estimated that man has 5 million olfactory sensory cells inside his nose, while a German Shepherd has 220 million. Thanks for sharing your story retired old man. By the way, has anyone spotted CPD K9 Bart?
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Woooooooooooooooooof! Woof!
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