Monday, April 03, 2006

The Ryan Harris Case

The Sun Times and Channel 7 are reporting that a deal may have been cut with Floyd Durr to avoid the death penalty for the murder of Ryan Harris.

From what we know of the Ryan Harris case, this thing has been a political hot potato from the word go. Two kids were arrested and charged and then released after Floyd Durr was tied to the case by a semen sample. The city ended up paying out millions of dollars to the two kids for false arrest, but nothing was ever said about the investigation or investigators who ran this heater. There is a reason for this and we'll state it here:
  • The Detectives got it right!
The media won't touch it and the Department won't say it aloud but the City screwed up by paying out. The reason this thing is probably never going to trial is that Durr might be guilty of something, but he wasn't the instigator. The ASA's can't afford to put the detectives on the stand because it will embarrass the City and Durr might get off on a technicality.
  • The boys plotted and lured Harris to the scene to steal her bicycle.
  • The boys caved in her head with a brick or stone and played with the unconscious victim in a sexual manner, inflicting provable harm.
  • Durr came on the scene later, molested the unconscious girl and probably caused her death by stuffing her mouth with her own panties.
Talking to a number of people we know, there is a ton of information that no one ever revealed for one reason or another. Taxpayers are left holding the bag and the Department gets an undeserved black eye. Lovely system we have here - pay off some of the guilty parties and possibly make a deal with another to make a political issue go away.

*** And if you haven't signed the petition yet, go now! It takes mere moments and it has the potential of sending a rather large message. ***


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you for the support.

4/03/2006 07:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry SCC but you got this one wrong!!!! All you have to do is read the transcripts of the detective's testimony during the civil trial to know they fucked up royal - that's why the City settled this for as much as it did. Had this case gone to jury, it would have been a lot more. The lead detective's brother is a chief in the ASA's criminal prosecutions office and the det. is now retired so no department action. Haven't heard if any disciplinary action against second detective but no action doesn't mean that there shouldn't have been. As you know, City will often back officers who step into real shit inorder to protect its own butt!

4/03/2006 08:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


4/03/2006 08:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

nooooo u dope yur third

4/03/2006 08:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When is part 2 of Sgt. exam?

4/03/2006 09:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

These things happen because of the quality of our Dets. Hell, most of them can't solve anything. They look for the easy way out. Hmmm it looks all we could pass it off as a suicide, so they make it so.

4/03/2006 11:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Having gone over the signatures on the petitions, there are a few things that perhaps SCC could clarify for those yet to sign.

1. Signing a nickname, or a first name only, or anything that does not appear to be a complete and full name, gives no credence to your signature. If you don't wish to leave your full name (and perhaps an identifier like PO CPD), than your "signature" is worth zero, or perhaps less.

2. Seems like quite a few people signed twice. But this is Chicago after all.

4/03/2006 12:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's ok, but I hear Bobby Rush is having a petition circulating.

4/03/2006 12:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 4/03/2006 11:40:57 AM

You, Sir, are an idiot.

4/03/2006 12:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please take the time to sign your first and last name on the petition. Just like if someone knocked on your door and had you sign it. It's not rocket science. The more people that sign, the better as SEN RUSH is supposed to be coming out with a petition.

Much thanks to SCC, a true stand up person who also follows through...

4/03/2006 01:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The family of Ryan Harris should sue to two boys for wrongful death. It was their actions (robbing her of her bicycle and hitting her with the brick) that set in motion a series of events that ultimately led to her death. The only real victim here is RYAN HARRIS and her family. Maybe if they sue for every penny the boys won it might be some type of justice

4/03/2006 02:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lets see the Harris family as victims, hmmm. You mean the mother who sends her daughter to vacation in scenic Englewood from the south suburbs for the summer, yes indeed.

4/03/2006 03:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

After 4 months on studying, Sgt Garrido passed the Bar exam. Stick that in your file Chris.

4/03/2006 03:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ASSHAT is fuuny, say it a few times. Go Johnny G (the lawdog)

4/03/2006 03:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

After 4 months on studying, Sgt Garrido passed the Bar exam. Stick that in your file Chris.

4/03/2006 03:05:41 PM

Proof that intelligence has nothing to do with being a Lawyer!

4/03/2006 03:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


4/03/2006 04:04:00 PM  
Anonymous northside said...

"SEN(ator) RUSH"??? - 1:00 PM

God forbid! Isn't it bad enough that Durbin is the senior U.S. SENATOR from Illinois.

That piece of shit Rush is a congressman representing the 1st District of Illinois in the U.S. Congress, NOT the SENATE.

Great work on the PETITION, girl!

4/03/2006 04:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

check out this cartoon and the read the bottom, especially the last 2 columns

4/03/2006 05:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

4/03/2006 05:39:00 PM  
Blogger TRU Dat said...

It's a disgrace the way the Corporation of Chicago pays out these mutts. Maybe if they fought some of them and won the numbers would go down!

4/03/2006 05:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i can't believe the ryan harris case is up again in the news, sad. P.S. SCC--as long we are online, have u heard next class on det. or sarg. there seemed to be a big thing last week but nothing in news now. keep up the good work. i wish we could get an answer...bye now.

4/03/2006 05:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That poster who said SCC got it wrong must not be the police! Every cop who has been sued knows that the civil trial in no way proves or disproves criminality. All cops know the civil aspect is a fucking joke!! All the civil trial did was put money in that vulture Pincham's bank account.

4/03/2006 05:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

4/3----5:50-------THATS WHAT I WANT TO HEAR. I AM IN COMPLETE AGREEANCE BROTHER-------its like they GIVE MONEY AWAY---for B.S. stuff too. have one of your family members go out right now.....fall on the city sidewalk--and take a couple photos to document the "minor injuries"---and i'll guarentee you brother that family member in three months will be sending you a postcard from the bahamas sipping on a pia colada saying HI FROM THE BAHAMAS SUCKERS.PISSES YOU OFF DON'T IT.

4/03/2006 06:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WHEN IS THE NEXT LTS. CLASS? My boyfriend is a good sarge to the guys and i think he would make a fine outstanding lt. and make a difference. i also enjoy your posts second city cop. i don't know how you do it, but god bless your patience with some of the moronic people who infiltrate the site.

4/03/2006 06:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


4/03/2006 06:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ROTFLMAO @ 6:07 PM & 6:01 pm

4/03/2006 06:12:00 PM  
Anonymous NOT a member of Congress said...

The Police always will lose these types of cases because of PUBLIC OPINION and the media bias!

Another example: U.S. Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-GA) 6-term Congresswoman.

In summary..she is in D.C. and walks passed a security checkpoint in a Capitol office building, she is wearing neither her I.D or Lapel Pin Identifying her as a member of Congress. A Capitol Police Officer calls out to her 3 times, she ignores him and keeps walking. He runs after her and grabs her arm to probably get her attention, (AS ANY OF US WOULD DO IN A SIMILAR SITUATION), she turns and punches him.(known as acting ghetto)..this is not the type of behavior of someone in her position. But,she is a firebrand who has done stuff like this before and repeatedly gets away with it! (female, black, enough said)

In a nutshell, its all on video tape, and the U.S. Attorney is looking at charges against her.

After nearly a week of "no Comment" etc..She say's in essence that she was stopped because the Officer is racist and she hit him because he touched her inappropriately in a sexual manner!


I am fed up with people of color excusing their bad behavior with smoke screens of's getting old and worn out!

She is wrong, the Officer is right, the video confirms it! But wait..I'm Black, and a Congresswoman..let's REWRITE history here!


But as usual all the Black reverends in Atlanta have come out in support of her, calling her competent,couragous, and committed.

She and her lawyers minimized the incident as something political, not criminal and based it on racial profiling.

Now if "Achmed the terrorist" had been able to get by this same checkpoint and suceeded in blowing himself up and possibly harming a few congress persons such as Rep. Rush (D-IL) or Rep. McKinney (D-GA) there would still be outrage, this time that the officer failed to stop and check the I.D. of Achmed. So you are damned if you do and damned if you don't!

In the end the score will be Police-0
U.S. Rep-1

Moral of the story..DON'T DO SHIT ON THIS JOB, ANYMORE!!!

4/03/2006 07:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As much as I HATE Walmart, they have the best legal approach to lawsuits. They will fight nail and tooth, for each and every case. Not matter how petty to extremely large.

Now lawyers don't even take many cases because they know walmart will fight and not settle.

Thy have saved mucho $$$$$$$ in the end and reputation.

4/03/2006 07:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

why is there a 12.5% city amusement tax on my cable bill?
city cell phone tax is worse!
what does the city do with all this money?

4/03/2006 08:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's right on the site, under dept of revenue taxes.

Your taxes go to all the top heavy people that work in this city, as they cannot even purchase phones that have working transfer buttons on them in our various depts.! lmao

4/03/2006 08:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


4/03/2006 09:08:00 PM  
Blogger SCC said...

To Anonymous 4/03/2006 08:00:10 AM who says "Sorry SCC but you go this one wrong!"

If you knew anything at all about civil and criminal trial (which you obviously don't) the standards of proof are quite different. Criminal standard of proof is "beyond a reasonable doubt." Civil trial is "a proponderance of the evidence."

Case in point - OJ. Not Guilty criminally (though we have our doubts about "reasonable" California juries) but still on the hook for $33 million dollars to the Browns and Goldmans.

Don't read the civil trial transcript (if you actualy did, which we doubt). At trial, lawyers ask leading questions and leave out certain facts. Read the autopsy report if you can find it. Floyd Durr didn't hit Ryan Harris with a brick to steal her bicycle (which the boys confessed to doing AND had a record of doing); Floyd Durr didn't penetrate Ryan Harris with a stick (like the boys insisted they did AND left evidence of); Floyd Durr left semen on the panties stuffed in Ryan Harris' mouth AFTER he did his deed that choked her to death.

Read up on Floyd's record - all his rapes were in nearby abandoned buildings or basements, not in open court yards where Ryan Harris was located.

Had this case gone to a REAL jury, the city wouldn't be paying any money to Pincham, the other lawyer or their juvenile delinquent clients.

4/03/2006 09:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

18 Lts. announced on the 6th of Apr.....start school on the 10th

Last class from that list

4/03/2006 09:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whats going on !! Had to swipe in today!!

4/03/2006 10:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about sgts class?

4/03/2006 10:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gators #1

4/03/2006 10:37:00 PM  
Blogger william golding said...

If you care. . .

Florida is the National Champion!!

Florida is the National Champion!!

Florida is the National Champion!!

Florida is the National Champion!!

4/03/2006 10:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

:: Thank you to the CFD for signing the petition ::

4/03/2006 10:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks SCC for bringing out ALL the truth on the Ryan Harris caper.
Those two young kids confessed to 'their' part. They stated 'facts' ONLY the perpetrator(s) would have known. [ie a certain amount of folds on leaves stuffed up an orafice of Ryan Harris, using a brick or rock to knock her off her bike]
Pincham is an avowed racist, only exceeded by his greed. [$$]
His ONLY argument was that the two kids did not do it because they were too young to ejaculate.
No one said they did.
They were only held accountable for their actions that preceeded the actions of Durr.
Like SCC associated earlier in an above post with the OJ trial.
That's like saying OJ is 100% innocent because the glove *allegedly did not fit.
* this was based upon OJ alone pretending that he could not put his paw in the mitten
LQQK at why the City settled....
"HEATER" case, unqualified Corporation Council Lawyers, racial issue, Mayor seeking re-election, City Council black majority, City deep pockets, media distorted accounts, unpredictable juries, continual playing of the 'race card,' gullible public, greed, past [monetary settlement] performance, lack of understanding and respect for the police, politics, politics, politics, ALL played a part in the City following their policy of...."Just give them a check and it will go away!"
When all else fails...blame the police.

R.Eugene Pincham, Montgomery, and the rest of you greedy race-baiters...get your tailors to make you some 3 piece asbestos suits soon, as you'll need them when you join Johnny Cochran in his final resting place.


Keep the faith and continue to back up one another.

P.S. On an unrelated note. Northside, you were just a kid when you got on 'the job.' I bet some of the youngins' are trying to figure out why there was no checkerboard on your cover. I'll bet they would never believe that when YOU were in Fill-Mo, RD #'s were in single letters, 'lower-case' followed by Roman Numerals! [Great photo J.N!]

4/03/2006 11:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Hang the BITCH said...

First it was assaulting and smearing a cop, now she got caught with her sticky fingers in the cookie jar. Say goodbye Cynthia and take Bobby Rush with you…

4/03/2006 11:26:00 PM  
Blogger william golding said...

The unfortunate part of this scenario is that the extremely troubled children that killed another innocent child will never find comfort.

It was all about the age of the offenders. By all standards (not just most); by all standards of psychology, the offenders were not aware of the wrong. They were not aware of the destruction; of the taking of life. They had no respect for that girl: For Ryan Harris. They knew violence.

And you can tell me that it was because they were from where they were from. But then I can show you that place or race or economics have little to do with acting on violent tendency.

Columbine for example. Were both pairs of killers (Harris and Columbine) mentally ill, emotionally removed? Probably!

4/03/2006 11:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On behalf of those who are no longer subject to retaliation from the city administration, I would like to thank EACH AND EVERY current city employee who has affixed their name to the petition. If enough would stand up, than our voices would be heard and respected.

I see the names of current POs and Sgts (no reason to repeat their names). THANK YOU!

I also see the names of several retirees who were in exempt positions in the CPD and the OEMC. THANK YOU!

This whole issue is such a no-brainer for the police family, that the only possible excuses for silence are fear or ignorance.


Gotta wonder if its a red herring by Daley. No matter. His silence so far says all we need to hear. He could condemn it a thousand times and it would mean nothing.

4/03/2006 11:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are almost 800 signature already. This was just posted online a day ago? You see, we can have our differences, bicker, laugh, make fun of each other, but when push comes to shove, we all know how to come together when need be.

4/04/2006 12:01:00 AM  
Anonymous PIGPrideIntergrityGuts said...

Emory Douglas, artist for The Black Panther, talks about the origin of the pig as a symbol:

"Anyway, one day Huey got an idea about the police. We had started calling the police swine because of the nature of their character--they had the most beastly character, dirty and filthy and abusing people and what have you. So Huey gets a picture of a pig and says he wants to put that in the paper--just on the front page--and put the badge of this policeman, who was in Oakland and who had been murdering and harassing people in the community."

"But from my learning in art school I saw a way of carrying things a step further, improving on it."

"I said, 'My man, why don't we dress them up, like humans, and stand them up?'"

"And that's what I did. We put the cops on their feet and showed them running--bullets coming at them and them running. I think that captivated the attention...."

4/04/2006 12:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"william golding said...
The unfortunate part of this scenario is that the extremely troubled children that killed another innocent child will never find comfort.

It was all about the age of the offenders. By all standards (not just most); by all standards of psychology, the offenders were not aware of the wrong. They were not aware of the destruction; of the taking of life. They had no respect for that girl: For Ryan Harris. They knew violence.

And you can tell me that it was because they were from where they were from. But then I can show you that place or race or economics have little to do with acting on violent tendency.

Columbine for example. Were both pairs of killers (Harris and Columbine) mentally ill, emotionally removed? Probably!
4/03/2006 11:43:33 PM"

Geeeezzzz, what the hell have you been smoking???? Having worked on the West Side for over 30 years, not for a moment do I think that those kids "didn't know right from wrong." They knew exactly what they were doing and the police detectives did their job properly. The city caved, because no one wants to tell the truth about how some people are nothing more than animals! Mr. Golding, now go back to your ancient hookah!

4/04/2006 01:27:00 AM  
Blogger william golding said...

Children move through a series of stages in which they must resolve unconscious conflicts between biological drives and societal expectations. The unsuccessful completion of one of these stages leads to the development of dysfunctional or abnormal behavior. (Freud)

4/04/2006 01:52:00 AM  
Blogger william golding said...

To end my discussion; I am not saying any investigator erred n their assigned task. I am saying the investigation involving children involved was lost before it started. The ages of the offenders would preclude any prosecution no matter what brutality they perpetrated.

As police and investigators we have to look at the big picture. We need to involve the right people and we need to ensure we have the "best" case.

It takes time. It takes focus but it avoids difficulty and second guessing. If it was as good a case as you suggest we would not be having this conversation.

4/04/2006 02:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey William...
It doesn't even have to be Englewood (a nice Swedish neighborhood once) Go take a reality check at the intersection of Lake and Central...Ride the green Line west at midnight...or better yet take a nice stroll down Pulaski from Van Buren on a Friday night. The chillins will be out squakin, fighting, cursin and fuckin! Then come back with you bullshit social nonsense and tell us what kind of innocents these little savages are. If you survive dickhead!
Until you get the balls to do what we do FUCK OFF!

4/04/2006 02:18:00 AM  
Blogger william golding said...

Grew up in Englewood....

Worked in Austin.

Doesn't change the science.

4/04/2006 02:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To william golding:

You did not grow up in Englewood, nor did you work in Austin...

You are no different than malcolm's little brother, someone who likes to swim in a bowl with guppies using what you have convinced yourself is some witty retorts, and superior vocabulary, when in reality its just the same old wolf in sheep's clothing, ie;

Race baiting to prop yourself up and convince yourself that you somehow posess superior intellect, opinions, etc.,

and in goldings case, much the same only using politics, and an extreme viewpoint to bait this blog, and then sit back and relish in your self absorption...

Most adults can accomplish the same thing with young children, or so they beleive!

Both of you clowns, outside of this blog, couldnt make a salient point to a college freshman, let alone someone that has a real grasp of political science, humanity, crime and punishment, etc..

You do however, keep some of us amused with your tired and hopelessly predictable diatribes.

Keep up the good work!

4/04/2006 06:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey SCC keep the fruit Gelding off the blog. It's getting old.

4/04/2006 10:09:00 AM  
Blogger Malcolm X's little brother said...

To 6:39 poster:

I do not think I am superior to anyone, in fact, it may be the contrary.

In relation to my use of vocabulary, no, I do not use outside sources to check spelling and word usuage. I guess I just paid attention in grammar school.

You condemn leftisthebest, Golding, Shady and myself because we have an opposite view. Why? Do we not have that right? Like many Republicans you are a close-minded European-American that yearns for the "good 'ole days" of slavery.

4/04/2006 10:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Malcolm X's little brother said...

In relation to my use of vocabulary...I guess I just paid attention in grammar school.

tell, pray,, tell


4/04/2006 02:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i hear LOONEY ROONEY is back and will have some info after reading some CCSA files.

4/04/2006 03:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OHHHH NOOOO! not "Looney Rooney" He's gonna talk about Pumkin Head and other goofs.

4/04/2006 03:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dearest Malcolm,
You may have paid attention in grammar school, and dont use outside sources to check spelling, but I never accused you of that!
Try paying attention to what I wrote.
I am neither Republican, nor Democrat.
No political party will ever define me as a person, that includes "European American", which by the way you use that term, could be a racial slur as bad as the term "N****r". Either way, you certainly dont use the term for any other reason than to get a rise out of your audience, which is the same as omeone calling you a "N****r". The terms themselves are meaningless, it is the way they are used/said that causes the problem!
I never condemned anyone, nor grouped people together like you do. I merely stated an observation after reading your post's.
How culd you possibly know what my view is? I never told you.
If you are assumimg you know, and grouping me into a sect, then that is purely speculation, and lack of knowledge on your part.
You certainly have a right to your views, but after reading your post's, it seems that you have an "agenda" more than any valid opinion that is backed up by any real facts. This of course, is just my lonely opinion and is certainly open to critisism by you or anyone else, just dont put words in my mouth.

4/04/2006 03:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>>>>>"You condemn leftisthebest, Golding, Shady and myself because we have an opposite view. Why?"<<<<

Here's why! BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL WRITTEN BY THE SAME GUY (Did you think EVERYONE is stupid Tim?)

4/04/2006 06:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nahhhh- just you, dumb-dumb... Keep DREAMING!

4/05/2006 12:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1:27 am,
How right you are that these animals knew exactly what they were doing! It is un-fucking-believable that these violent "kids" hit this girl with a brick, took her bike, then got rewarded years later with big money from the city!!!!
Furthermore, this criminal justice system is a fucking joke!
These fucking murderers, robbers, rapists and gangbanging thugs who lie and claim the police beat them need to REALLY get beat, they need the shit kicked out of them, especially when some goof believes all that "po-leece" brutality bullshit!
Anyone who thinks ANY of these violent thug/"kids" are innocent needs a reality check, BIG TIME!!!
And, these mother fuckers are not just in Englewood, they are everywhere growing in numbers daily.
They're some vicious mother fucking ANIMALS!!!

4/07/2006 02:04:00 AM  

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