A Free Suggestion
We've heard that a good idea can result in a good spot, an award and even a promotion. As we aren't glory hounds and value our anonymity, we present this suggestion to everyone. Whoever can steal it, write it up and present it in a manner befitting a halfway decent proposal can have all the glory and praise for themselves. And we along with the other readers of the website can talk about you behind your back about what a thief you are taking credit for an idea that wasn't even yours.
How about instead of just doing these random traffic checkpoints with coppers in BDU's, Troopers and Sheriffs you expand it a little bit? Beef up the Traffic Section a bit, make them work straight afternoons for a while, team them up with a ready made supply of coppers (TRU for instance?) and train them up to do massive impounds. Everything you can impound for, you do it.
How about instead of just doing these random traffic checkpoints with coppers in BDU's, Troopers and Sheriffs you expand it a little bit? Beef up the Traffic Section a bit, make them work straight afternoons for a while, team them up with a ready made supply of coppers (TRU for instance?) and train them up to do massive impounds. Everything you can impound for, you do it.
- Guns? Dope? Fireworks? Done.
- Loud Music or DUI? Our car now.
- Curfew or Minors violating license restrictions? Check.
- Improper registration/wrong plates? He gone.
- Suspended/no insurance? Hope you like walking.
Do a zero tolerance one or three days a week in a few of these gang hot spots and DOC areas and we'll eliminate half the drive-bys and a quarter of the dope traffic. You want disruption? Take away their wheels. And not some half assed weekend version - full blown enforcement. Have the tow trucks lined up somewhere. New York's "Broken Window" theory gone wild. And just to make it interesting - make impound court like it used to be - multiple calls, mandatory appearances (ka-ching!) and start making cubes out of all these cars. You'll probably be saving the environment at the same time with some of these emissions suspensions.
What say the readers?
What say the readers?
posted by SCC at 1:32 PM
52 Comments:
im first...you northsiders are strokes...go hump your poodle instead of waiting for the next post to go up and boasting about being first.
It will never happen,what ever happened to the power of the pen? A few days ago at roll call our w/c was making a comment on how people dont respect even the police in their driving manners, how they even drive 50-60 mph in front of our police station while police cars are constantly comming and going. Instead of saying I want you guys to start hammering these motorists or (the pen) I am going to write up a request and foward it to the traffic sectiion to see if he can get a radar car to start enforcing the speed limit in front of the police station, all he said that these people were unbelievable. Also heard one time that our old D/C had the community willing to flip the bill for a couple of radars for some of the squads and when he went to get permission from 35th/Mich. he was told absoulutely not, the only cars with radar will be in traffic. Thats why they have the vectors mars light so they can easily be identified as a traffic car when in a district. So if you think that you have a plan that works and the dept.is going to go with it just remember"The City Thats Works"if one of the machines crony can make a buck and give back a nice politcal contribution then and only then might it actually happen.
I use to impound 2 to 3 cars per week until the city got greedy and cut the copper out and moved the court to the most inconvenient of places. No sandbagging, all legit impounds. The gangbanger lost his wheels, the city made a ton of dough and the copper made a little extra cash for actually doing some work.
Mandatory court appearance =
Working cop makes extra money =
Department handles crime problem =
City has increased revenue
even a key date for impounds woulld result in an increase in the number of vehicles impounded.
I get paid the same on the 1st and the 16th regardless of how much or little I do. A little incentive sometimes is a win-win.
Hey Phil, check the stats when impounds were at 11th and State vs. after they moved it. However discount all impounds generated by units who base activity solely on impounds to keep their spots.
What is going on in 018th TACT? I heard there is a SGT. there that is crazy and know one wants to work for him??
This idea was floated a few years back (when the doc was first formed) and was shot down. Taking away what is valuable to the mopes is grand idea! Somebody go into the circular file and pull this one out!
Can anyone confirm a rumor that the gang teams will not be working days anymore as of june/july? Man, they are taking all of the fun out of work!
Off topic , yeah right... Just curious how many coppers out there have had to pay a 20 dollar charge to the board of ethics for not sending in their forms when they did send them in .Know i'll be sending mine in by certified mail from now on or hand delivering it, 3rd time i been screwed.
Dear SCC,
I've seen this or a similar proposal on paper in the late '90s. End of the day, the key is to put people to work, but not tie them to the squeaky wheel radio calls, and distribute them according to a strategic or tactical plan.
Other things I saw on the same paper were to take at least part of tac and gangs out of districts and concentrate them in areas so that they could target problems that span districs lines. Also included permanent impact (TRU) groups for immediate reallocation to shut areas down.
The same paper included technology suggestions, such as cameras and convergence of the various sources of information from city, state and federal.
Yada yada yada. As you can see, quite a few of these were done, and others (like making the mounted unit patrol in 007 or 011 unless they had something better to do) were non-starters.
And, as you may recognize, they will NEVER attribute these ideas to the low-level person who wrote them. Though in all fairness, all of this is derived from what NYC was doing in terms of saturating trouble spots.
. SUGGESTION: The city would get a few more impounds if they DID NOT make the cops turn over their weapons over to some (campaign contributor company's) rent a guard. And provide parking for the officers.
You go to pick up your gun and find the guard gone and some gang banger leaning against the lockers.
If rent-a-mope forgets to take the keys the guns will disappear and who will be liable. If something breaks out in the hearing offices and a cop is injured and or killed because he is unarmed, sue the
$^!# out of the city!!
You want to throw the case and get out when you realize the meter is running out and you think about this the next time an opportunity to impound comes up.
TRU already does this
18th district tact...you have a problem w/ a sgt take a look at the people on the tact/gang teams in 011........more roids and hair gel there then in sos
Hire more police first and foremost. we have a G.O. that specifically relates to submission of ideas.... What ever happened to the 5 year rule for PO'S to go to a special unit after PO Ceriale got killed. I guess clout rules. I can't wait for the fed to root out the corruption behind the political hires and promotions in the CPD...... they can start at 35th Street....I like how Alderman Solis is trying to create tickets for dogs barking for more than 10 minutes. Don't we have enough municipal code violations to cover that? Tying a female dog unattended for a length of time is unlawful to begin with as is neglect. But as all the other laws we have, they're useless if we don't have the manpower to enforce them. I guess he has to justify himself when it comes time to give himself another raise.
If you get a call for a dog barking. hold yourself down for the full ten minutes becuase you would then have to verify the dog barking for ten minutes before issuing a violation
Off topic- just wondering how many coppers actually have f***ing ethics. D'ya think the ones in violation actually admit it? Deny. Deny. Deny. How much money does the former CPD boss who is Daley's 'corruption clean-up' guy have in re-urbanization?
Everyone blames the police for the problems. How bout blaming the State's Attorney and Judges who refuse to prosecute the ganbangers and other criminals that get arrested. The State's Attorney wont even look at a case with very good evidence unless it is a 100% conviction.
Stop being afraid to prosecute a case in court Mr. State's Attorney and maybe some of these repeat criminals will be behind bars and not getting released from the station because YOU are AFRAID to try a case!!!!!
ok I've done this before on traffic missions.Why don't they implement this citywide.
Why should an officer drive all the way into a district station for a tvb to get an I bond that is only written by a fellow officer.
The suburban officers have been issuing I bonds on the street for years.
As long as a name check of the violater is conducted and with the supervisor's permission, there is no reason to have an officer down on a tvb.
State law and official duties do not surrender gun to a civilian rent a cop refuse they dont like f-them
You are not surrendering your gun to them moron, you are placing it in a lock box while in court.
For one it is the cities policy so if you do not do it you are not allowed in the court.
Secondly if you ever went to court you would know this poplicy is in effect at traffic court (in all major rooms) impound court and domestic court
Exactly what I said...why surrender you gun at all, especially to a rent-a-mope at any court.
Ninety-five percent of this job is bullshit.
1.) SCC how dare you hurt some retarded bosses fragile egos by coming up with a better idea in 5 minutes than what took them months.
2.) The city made millions more in impounds before they started taking away coppers multiple court dates for impounds. Typical city logic, save $60 in overtime and lose $600 in revenue. Idea reeks of the genius of a Huberman or Lemmer type.
the difference is that when you dissarm your self at traffic court you have armed /trained county guys defending the building and occupants.
the UNARMED private security guards
at the city hearing office couldn't even defend themselves if a pissed off gang banger or two who lost his prized ride started poping caps with his 9. just what are these guards supposed to do if they detect a WEAPON.
the previous post is right about one thing...you violate a city ordanance if you bring a firearm in there.
YOU VIOLATE COMMON SENSE IF YOU DON'T !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Apparently we need help from the Cook County Sheriffs. What a f-ing joke!!!
Back in the day I use to impound at least 2 vehicles a week. Then the city got greedy and decided to keep all the money to itself. So I stopped.
What did that cost what? 1300 a week?
I just wanted a taste of the action too
i WORKED IN tRAFFIC FOR 4 yrs, 2 IN lOOP AMD 2 IN ENFORCEMENT . please don't think it was an easy gig. You don't know know who you are pulling over on the Drive . They could of pulled a stickup in 24 AND YOU PULL THEM OVER AT 57TH ST.PLUS WHAT THEY expectedYOU TO TURN IN EVERY DAY. it was an 8 hr day if you only wrote assholes ,like i did.My respect for those Coppers. Could'nt take it any more.
You should have spent time learning to type instead of working the Loop.
Are you typing from a Commodore 64?
Holy Shit. That was bad.
In 011? Ha Ha. Thanks 018 boy, go back to sitting in front of the clubs and making cop on the edge faces at 21 year old broads from Schaumburg. And I don't want to hear your stories about being in the ghetto before. Everyone I know who works in 018 has been there since day on or day 2 at the latest. Now tell me how important your job is because Oprah and some dude from "Friends" lives in your district.
Spent 15 yaers working the ghetto before then ,You computer Dweeb. When you get more than 2 YRS onthe JOB You can critisize somebody's Punctuation and Spelling.I bet you got your 60 HRS out of a fine University like College of Dupage.
It's only a matter of time when some police agencies like the CPD end off duty firearms and begin mandating unarmed assignments citing the National Park Service policy.
Daley would disarm all but his own bodyguards. England does it!
Under the threat of terrorism, I think England has been arming significantly more of its police over the last 20 years. They might not be the people on foot patrol, but certainly the equivalent of rapid response cars (though not in the sense the term is accorded in Chicago).
Its the equivalent of Chicago having the north and south "heavy" weapons cars on two shifts. Personally, though I'm not a fan of take-home cars, I hope that our SWAT personnel are ultimately VERY well trained and rapidly available should special weapons and tactics ever be needed.
What a great free suggestion. I could come up with plenty of places to do a 'loud music' mission.(including the cross street right by my house) Here's what you do. A copper in plain clothes stand on a corner 2 blocks away from where the marked car is. When "thump,thump,thump" comes down the street radio in the description. Marked car then writes the guy, I -bonds him if necessary and tows his car. This way there is no chance of turning down the music before you get to the actual 'enforcement zone' I'll bet you could do 10 in no time. Of course, you would have to let the coppers in on the $$$$ at the impound hearings.
Lets do the math: Fri & Sat nights, 25 districts, 10 cars a district per night = 500 cars a weekend * $600 each car = $300,000 each weekend. Now take this times 4 weekends in a month =$1.2 million a month. Now subtract [lets say 2 coppers per district at 3 hours OT each at about $32 an hour once a month = a paltry $4200 that they have to share]. That puts $1,195,200 dollars clear in their pocket each month.
Now someone explain WHY they won't/don't do this......... :)
Daley must be the biggest hypocrite ever. An avid gun hater, who's surrounded by armed gunman everywhere he goes. If that doesn't sum up the dummycraps, don't know if they're coming or going, I don't know what does.
The City wants ALL of It. Every single penny.
There were about 6 crazy crazy coppers in the 010th District used to impound 4 cars EVERY NIGHT back when they had 4 different court calls at 11th and State. These guys were making overtime checks bigger than their paychecks. And the minute the city stopped giving them multiple dates, they stopped doing impounds; talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.
any word on the new LTs?
funny how no one is interested in curbing crime, ONLY how much they can make in court time, and then they'll blame downtown and the politicians for being greedy
Dear SCC, the dept. did what your suggesting six years ago over on the west side.
Jimmy Mauer would run a sting with traffic, gangs, youth, dicks, prisoner vans, tow trucks, in Garfield Park. It would last for a couple of days and fade away.
The jungle would return to normal within 24 hours of our leaving.
The only way to clear out the west and south sides are with smart bombs and fire bombs.
You can't kill those cockroaches!
Senate immigration reform will disarm police - Sec 240D (hidden)?
After 911 the dept of Justice, Office of Legal Council determined police have and do posses the right to arrest and deport Illegal Aliens. Congress has never acted to displace or preemp this inherent authorty. This was further ruled on by several US courts. Ref. 911 all the highjackers had also committed civil violations prior.
Under above Sec. police officer's would have no power to arrest such terrorist. MANY OF THE SENATOR'S AREN'T EVEN AWARE OF THE DAMAGE THEY MAY INFLICT ON US NATIONAL SECURITY!
The Senate rammed the immigration bill through with noted proposal, When is enough, ENOUGH?
Isn't it bad enough the bill is filled with deceptive give away's to people who break our laws. Supported by maj. of Lib. democrats to assist lobbying done by big business, and to obtain votes, while adding to our big Welfare pot. What country are we in again?
The bottom line is, that the city and the department put on a show for the public via the media and press conferences. They tell the public a feel good story about aggressive tactics and how they are going to tackle crime, but they do the opposite with the P.O.'s. They tell us, "do too much and we'll monitor you, do to little and the WC's will fuck with your schedual and restrict your time do." "Remember we have the behavioral alert program." "And remember P.O.'s don't ever make a mistake while bringing the crime rate down or we will throw you to the wolves." The public has no idea how poor our equipment is, how low the morale is, and how short handed we are. The department and the city can fool the public because it's easy! How many times have you met someone that has no idea about police work, that is under the impression from watching the news, that the city of Chicago loves their police and gives us everything to make our job eaiser to fight crime? The city does a great job with smoke and mirrors! Remember no one has ever been to IAD or Fired for having low activity!
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Ok, so what is going to happen after we set up one of these "check points" and someone drives off? After all, the initial stop for this "check point" would be for an alleged traffic violation, right? Are they going to let us chase, or State, County... If someone does, Can our radios communicate with State or County? Or is it going to be like usual, and we're going to have 3rd hand info from State/County through our dispatcher, or another dispatcher, to the CPD car on scene?
funny how no one is interested in curbing crime, ONLY how much they can make in court time, and then they'll blame downtown and the politicians for being greedy
You're right I joined this department to make a difference!!!
I dont care if my life is only worth about 70.g a year, and if I am accused of wrong doing the powers that be find me guilty before I have a chance to defend myself. FNG..welcome to the real world. Probably not even the Police..is the Air quality in the station better then the squad?..do you even get that joke?
CAPS works!
In response to 10;43;26 and others with similar good ideas......
Yes, I agree, it would make sense to place an 'incentive' on the A/O on imponds etc., but we'll never see it for reasons stated below..
1) [First and foremost] IT'S A GOOD IDEA.
2) Some politician didn't suggest it, just a dog-ass copper.
3) If there's a cut from the pie, some politician will get it. We would be lucky to get crumbs.
4) It "MAY" be **'illegal.'
** I recall many years back a judge was cited for DUI by the Illinois State Police. [ I'm relatively certain it was Judge JJ McDonald ]
His lawyer, in court, found and cited some obscure law that stated it was illegal to place a 'reward incentive' (my words not the actual legal cite) on Law Enforcement.
The lawyer indicated that the ISP at that time had some minor, broad interpretation of a reward system for traffic enforcement. I'm not sure the 'exact' policy but it wasn't even monetary. It was something like...."Trooper A wrote over (minimum stated) DUI's in a given period which made him eligible to chose his own District or be in line for a newer vehicle or something minor in that nature."
[Any 'Troops' out there with specific knowledge of this so-called 'perk?']
Anyway, in short, since the lawyer indicated that the Trooper violated a law to enforce a law, was possibly enticed by a reward system to cite violators, not on individual merit, they tossed the case.
OF COURSE,(emphasis added) I/We realize that this was a popular judge in front of a cohort and around the time of Greylord etc. but the lawyer's intent was merely to 'open the door' to give the trial judge room to step in and toss the case.
My point here again is that it MAY be illegal based upon that obscure law cited many years back.
So......unless you believe in miracles, you'll see point #3 above exclusively if ANYONE is going to get a cut "O' da' pie!"
{Just my 2 cents}
STAY SAFE MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS AND REMEMBER "OUR THIN BLUE LINE!"
Speaking of jj mcdonald hes over at wright college in charge of the athletic dept...which includes all of the dog ass west side shitbirds on the basketball team that he cant keep in line. That spot was made just for him. Hes the juiceman.
Heard alot of people in 018 TACT and Gangs are leaving cause of a LT. and a TACT Sgt. there. Whats the TRUE story???
T= TOTALLY
R= RETARDED
U= UNIT
DOES ANYONE IN THAT UNIT HAVE MORE THAN 5 YEARS ON. A BUNCH OF GOOFS WHO COULDN T GO TO A REAL UNIT, OR EVEN GET ON A TACT/GANG TEAM.
Re: 018 Tact
problem is a certain gang sgt. that no one wants to work for.
(M)merely (J)just (T) totally incompetent and a certain ex tact lt. soon to be capt. who f@#$ed the whole office up. This guy is the epidemy of retarded and in serious need of medication, prozac perhaps or more appropriately MIDOL. He's lost more guys in his short tenure, you could fill two entire teams. couldn't find his way out of a paper bag or his ass with both hands, wouldn't know a gang member if thay slapped him in the face. Just ask around if u haven't figured it out.
Mr. Incredible isn't so incredible........
10:38
SWAT are VERY well trained, but they don't have military expertise. They could use a guy like Matt Little.
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